Tuesday, May 16, 2006

Some Question KR Judges' Soviet-Era Schooling

Tuesday, May 16, 2006

By Prak Chan Thul and Whitney Kvasager
The Cambodia Daily

With a question mark hanging over the suitability of some Khmer Rouge tribunal appointees, opinions differed last week as to whether a communist bloc education emphasized the pursuit of truth and justice or loyalty to the ruling party and the security of the state.

Of the 17 Cambodian judges and prosecutors appointed to the tribunal, four received their legal education in Cambodia, four were schooled in Kazakhstan and three in the USSR, of whom one pursued further study in Japan.

Three more studied in Vietnam, two in East Germany and one in France.

Awarded a doctorate in law from the National University of Kazakhstan, Ratanakkiri Provincial Court Director Yar Narin said that attending college in the communist bloc during the 1970s and 1980s was comparable to any Western equivalent.

"I believe that all places are the same. The law is the law," Yar Narin said by telephone last week. "Communist or democrat, the law is the law. If there is a law but there is not enough evidence, we can't charge people," he said.

"There is no difference," said Yar Narin, who was appointed to the tribunal's supreme court chambers.

Phnom Penh Municipal Governor Kep Chuktema, who in 1985 studied political science in Hanoi agreed.

Kep Chuktema said that his classes emphasized research and writing, and that his education in Vietnam gave him the leadership skills needed to lead the capital.

"Education in Vietnam is no different" he said, but added that he had not studied in the US.

"Though the educational standards were unquestionable, some aspects of a communist education do not translate well in contemporary times, he said.

"Communism has some theories from the 1800s. We must know how to update always. Look to China's economy, because China updated before it was too late. The Soviet Union didn't update, and it collapsed," he said.

Finance Ministry Secretary-General Hang Chuon Naron, who earned a doctorate in international economics in the USSR warned against judging tribunal appointees by the countries where they went to university. Judges and prosecutors draw on more than their schooling during trial proceedings, he said.

"Education in the USSR and Vietnam is acceptable, like anywhere else. But [a judge's] commitment to the profession is very important," he added. "It's not really where you study but who you are."

Legal expert Lao Mong Hay said that the Soviet education system emphasized loyalty to the party, adding that the courts operated under the assumption that defendants were guilty until proven innocent. "Soviet trial proceedings rely on confessions and a strong degree of assuming guilt," he said.

According to information compiled by the US library of Congress, education in Soviet countries focused on political indoctrination, while the Supreme Court answered to the Politburo.

Kazakhstan is the largest country in Central Asia and the second largest of the states of the former Soviet Union, after Russia.

"The Soviet Union knew no rule of law as we conceive of it today...unfortunately, the Kazakh judiciary throughout its young history has remained largely within the control of the executive," the American Bar Association said in a 2004 report.

The Kazakh president has the power to determine how many judges the country should have and how much they should be paid, the report said.

Except for the Supreme Court, whose members are elected by the Senate based on the president's recommendation, all judges are appointed directly by the president. "In some important respects, the legal system has not changed significantly since the Soviet times," the American Bar Association said.

In Vietnam, the constitution provides for the independence of the judiciary, according to the US State Department. "However, in practice [the Communist Party of Vietnam] controls the courts at all levels, selecting judges, at least in part, for their political reliability," the State Department said in a 2005 report.

Sam Rainsy Party Acting Secretary-General Meng Rita, who in 1992 studied urology in the formerly Soviet-controlled Ukraine, said he remembered higher education as a strict environment that did not emphasize critical thinking.

"The schools didn't care about quality, they cared more about the discipline of internal regulations ...that students came to class on time, that they had high test scores and wore the uniform," he said.

He also said that the Cambodian students in Soviet schools during the 1970s and 1980s were chosen to study abroad as a reward for loyalty to the ruling party in Phnom Penh.

Meng Rita said that he was given a scholarship because he worked in Phnom Penh's Russian Hospital.

Justice Minister Ang Vong Vathana declined to comment on the educational credentials of the trial appointees, saying they should be allowed to prove themselves in court. "Let's see their work first" Ang Vong Vathana said.

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

To KhmerRouge Survivor,

I am not trying to lecture you, first of all, about your either feedbacks or criticism on almost every article posted at KI-Media. From my point, what you have said, it seems, displays something about your frustration, disappointment and anger. Thus, it is quite suit to the name you call yourself.

It would be much more nicer if you could control your frustration, and convert them into words, of course not like you have usually said, but polite and respectful.

Everybody has full right to offer feedbacks and criticism, and those who committed mistakes also deserve to be criticized. However, criticism needs to be constructive in order for all Khmers to be able to live together, not for this generation, but forever. Either provocation or incitement towards future conflicts among Khmers should be avoided, if we could. That is a new culture that we all should adopt. Presumably, you could be one who lives oversea. So, you should be well aware of that.

KI-Media website was found that a merely site which is able to provide daily reliable news concerning the political situation in Cambodia. So, it would be grateful if we could, rather than creating anarchistic board, keep KI-Media as an impartial site for everybody. This is also feedback to KI-Media: "Act now rather than too late".

Thank you.
From one who survived from Khmer Rouge regime, but not prefering self-called Khmer Rouge Survivor

Anonymous said...

what is the different between Khmer Rouge Survivor and someone who survived from Khmer Rouge Regime? Same shit, just worded differently. So it pretty much same differences!!. Come one all you smart guys. don't trying to cock fight here, This is a feedback forum, none of your opionion would alter the course of Cambodia's destiny or would matter to those who run the country. Only the one in charge right now can alter and change history of Cambodia. So respect one another opinions and stop being you are wrong and I'm right!!

Anonymous said...

Yes Anonymouse 5:08pm and koon khmer we stop cock fighting if your boss stop cock sucking!

khmererouge survivor is frustrating, disappointing, and anger; so do I, so most of real son of Khmer who realy care about Cambodia, ask your mother you retarded if she frustated too?

We had been quiet and polite since the start of UN election in 1993, what those son of the beaches did for our people and country, coup deta, kills, corruption, child and drug traficking, land grabing, jailed and suppress free speach!
Come on are you one of those dungs, may be you are Hun Sen or Om Yintieng themselve? may lightning strike the traitors.

Not all CPP are bad, some of us who survive with you will strike your head from behind some day, I mean your mother would kill you for her country some day, for Hun Sen I mean your father if he still alive.

khmer will live together fine without those tugs government of x communist Hun Sen.

I agree KI is to provide reliable new, but it want to know respond from the people too that are real news and good informations.

Comment are from the outsider, not KI opinion! are you afraid of free speach? You sound confuse like Hun Sen, do not know what is free speach and what is cock fight. What is nutral? stay with your side? stupid Viet!!!

What we are doing is our free speach in the west not made it from Viet Name, Hun Sen!

KI not responsible for what I said It just want you suckers to know how frustrated we are!

Keep writing the true and our real feeling let Real son of khmer get to know each other feeling we all may have something in coommone!!!!!!!!!!
The evil afraid of the true!!!!!!!!!!
Viva FREE SPEACH, Viva FREEDOM!!!!
Cheyo Samleng Reash

Anonymous said...

Did Hun Sen said politly to the People of Camdodia, or he use force to stop the strike and even walk on the labor day?
Who called whome Animal first, Who did say that English dog, understand English? don't you think we do not know what that thing mean? that stupid Viet Name Thing.
Show your good hand first.

If you do not like the comments don't read them, they are not news, just comments from animal. We are animal, we like too fight like that, but we are not killing, shooting, abussing people.
Yes, we may abussing you Hun Sen gainst, but only with word.
Are you scare we talk to each other and find out that we have the same feeling.
Thatis your proplem not us. Stop reading our comments,Viet Spy, we like to fight that our business.
Want to shot people up? you can do it only in Viet Name Dumpass!!!!!

Anonymous said...

That is Viet Namese tactic, to make the victim looked bad and the criminal looked good.
We know that!
We know what we fight for we not angree with one another, Yes we fight for what right and wrong we not make a conspiracy to steal and cheat Cambodian.

Anonymous said...

I can see "Post A Comment" function will soon be disable due to your abusive comments. I'm living in US never posted any comments in the past. Your comments are "free emotional speeches". Readers please cut down your uncivilized words. I'm tired of your unconstructive comments. Every time I listen to Hun Sen's I'm sad. I read yours I'm mad. What good do they provide us if you keep on look at things negatively. My apology for any unappropriate words...

Anonymous said...

Don't apology, just don't read!!!!!

There is not thing can be constructed if the Hun Sen Government the XXX khmerrouge and Viet Name Popet is still cheatting the election and destroy Khmer soul.

If KI want to disable the Comment Fuction, don't want to hear people voices is their business.

You may feel mad, but I feel clad that I can let my friend know my feeling, not for you stop reading the comments ,they are for friend only. You Spy can peek. Don't read the lightning may strike you.

You are not using the unappropriate words. You have unappropriate demend, Stop reading them MORONE!

Stop living in the US also if you hate free speach, go to Viet Name!

What good is provide you? I don't know and I don't care. For me we can find out about Khmers feeling, Viet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Don't try to be ACHAR, you are ACHOAR!
Nice to Hun Sen and Viet Name? you sucker!

Anonymous said...

I would like to commend all Cambodian people for having the courage and donating your valuable time to express your true feeling about Cambodian issues in KI-media! Cambodian people can't afford to live in silent and pretend that nothing is happening in Cambodia because it affects your brothers,your sisters, and your families! For me, it had been effected economically because of many corruptions in Cambodia and I can't conduct my business!
No Cambodian people here claimed to be English teacher. So go ahead butcher the English language and break all the grammar rules but as long your writing can convey the messages across! There is one thing that I learned in College in writing class! People should writing something that is meaningful and matter to them! Do go ahead put your emotions and reasons in your writing and make it comes alive! It is human nature to express all these emotions! Stop having the mentality of a herd and be individualistic!The concept of speak right, walk right, and eat right and sleep right according to Buddhist philosophy doesn't exist in the real world! How can we human learn anything if we don't make mistake! So for me if the "Post A comment was to disable tommorrow and I can still find ways to express myself like Osama Bin Laden! I always thought that what Osama Bin Laden and Mr. Chunn Yasith did are too excessive! AH HUN SEN and the Vietcong can do themselves alot of favor by trying to understand the true feeling from Cambodian people that are being posted on KI-Media because one day, these Cambodian expressions on KI-Media will become a reality! I am not going to apology to any Cambodian people or to anybody because there is nothing to apology! Peace is patriot!

Anonymous said...

Don't let AH Viet Name communist get in to you KI is not Ah Hun Sen.
We will find the peaceful way to save our country and hurt Ah Hun Sen and their boss longer.

Anonymous said...

Comments including swearing words, such ...cock sucking, ...shit, Ah..., and ..., is that you call "free speech"? Taken "mother and father" for swearing others, you claim that because you are Khmer? For the sake of Khmer culture, do not confuse global readers! Not all Khmers are the same like you.

Anonymous said...

We have leader who Called every body name as animal,dog.; treat to use force; put good talking people like you in jail for month and killed some of them (Union leaders). And you want poor person like me to be better than ah Hun Sen?

I'm sure not all khmer are the same as Ah Hun Sen and you Sucker!

For those hundreds who got kill in 1997 and more befor and after any thing say about Ah Hun Sen and Ah Viet Name are right to do for Khmer like I!

Yes that free speach for me to talk back the way Ah Hun Sen and his shit already did talk!

Don't ask us to be nice so you can stab us from behind! We know your tric, And your mother will curse you from her grave if yuo commite trison!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Guys, come on now!! why are we getting Mothers involve into this debate? Let's keeps Mother out with respect and just deal with our disagreement and ideas here. We are all adult and capable of dealing our own issue. Sometimes it goes like this. They call it Robber Neck. If your dick were any longer you would suck you own dick!!lol.

Stop using mother please!!

Anonymous said...

That your problem dick sucker! I have no debate with you. Is not our own issue is all cambodian issue death and alive. and all Cambodian mothers are concerning about their country to. If you not commit trison you dn't have to be scared.
Your mother stop feeding you already? that why you suck your own dick. Even your wife hate you!You may hate yourselve too for batray your own kind! Go suck your Viet Name master smelling dick, you who curse by it own mother.

Anonymous said...

Right on! 1:09am.
If 12:24am suck some dick don't think every body would do the same if we have opportunity, You cock suckers is wrong not all Khmer act like Ah Hunsen. Yes his mother curse him all cambodian know about that in 1997, So is your mother, she is cursing you too.

Anonymous said...

You all go fuck your mother and make her scream on you. I love to see how you can get rite of Hun Sen. You a Khmer people, don't even get along. We have accomplished our goal to have you Khmer killed Khmer (Genocide) and now be take over you country. Now you mother fuckers don't even get along with each other on this forum. You Khmer are dumm fuck. LOL....we Viet are rock!! and love to see how far you continue to stuggle. Hha ha haaa!! DOO MAAA! AA Meing (KUMPUCHEA) KUM = Sin

Anonymous said...

See Ah Viet Cong come out now!

No we Khmere are not like you, we do not do that to our mother, sister, and our blood.

All the world know that you Viet Name gorvernment sold out the poor Viet Namese Women (Your Mother) all over Assia know! Can you read news Viet? Stop reading our comments, read news about your f.....g Country and people, and help your mother.Or may be you the one who did it with Hun Sen chief of pollice? So your mother will curse you too, you son of Ah evil Ho Chi Minh!!!!
Stop writing in this forun you Sin.
Lightning will srike you soon is a curse from your Viet Name Mother.
Hun Sen is our business, we will take care of that your Smelling fish Sauce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Yes This Viet must be the one my parents used to tell me, He has eyes of a pig and mouth of crocodile, we khmer call it A Katop or Ah Sakey.
Do not worry about us, you mother's cursing. You and HunSen will destroy by your own morther even she death now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We will do not thing but prey for Yumareach to treat you worst and keep you for enternity in Hell.

May your mothers rest in peace.

Anonymous said...

Internet is free for everyone to see and post. If you can post, we can read. We don't just keep our eyes on ahh HunSen, we also keep a very close eyes on what you say about everything you say about Vietnam and Cambodia and how our boys (Ahh Hun Sen and his gangs) are running your country... It's putting fish in a tank and have controll over them.