Below is the original response from KNM to a Vietnamese, Hoang Hai, who commented in my blog <read more>
Hoang
China was with Vietnam and supported Vietnam from the beginning. Pol Pot Khmer Rouge was insignificant at the beginning and only became a Chinese pawn after he came to power. During the Vietnam War, Pol Pot went to China personally via Vietnam to request for a direct supply to the Khmer Rouge from China instead of getting the supply from Vietnam, China instead told Pol Pot to get the supply from Vietnam. In the eyes of Pol Pot this was "a slave of a slave".
Pol Pot had his own ambition and vision for the Khmer Communists, to be independent from Vietnam – Pol Pot never wanted to be under Vietnam. Just like Vietnam never wanted be under anybody. This was and still is a fair ambition for any leader.
Vietnam wanted to be the boss in the region and would rather have someone that not shares the border with it and thus the Soviet Union was the best candidate at the time. So bye bye China and this is still the policies of Vietnam.
Why China invaded Vietnam in 1979?
Most political analysts would think that it was to help the disorganised Khmer Rouge that was routed by the invading Vietnamese army. The real intention was not to help the Khmer Rouge, but to set the stage for Vietnam for the Cambodian quagmire so Vietnam couldn't recover/rebuild its economy while at the same time China was on the way to reform its economy. It was never designed to help Pol Pot, but Pol Pot and the Western observers would think that was the case. If the intention was to help Pol Pot KR, the Chinese wouldn't withdraw without any conditions attached to the Cambodia issues, not because of the Soviet Union the new powerful boss of Vietnam. You don't send ten of thousands of your blood to die for others. No one would believe this.
Pol Pot KR fell into the trap of Vietnam when the KR did the cross border attacks which triggered the VN to invade Cambodia. Pol Pot knew he had no match with the VN. In short Pol Pot was inexperience and stupid.
You are right that both countries were losing. But what I noticed is as follow:
Vietnam fought two wars in the modern day history, 1. The French colonialism; 2. The American Imperialism. Vietnam despised any form of colonialism/imperialism and fought strongly against it in order to make itself a new colonialist/imperialist in the region. This is why I say Vietnam is a hypocrite and why I say Vietnam did not come to save the Cambodians. Note I was only a child during the Pol Pot KR and survived the regime. I was a new people(17 April people).
The main troop occupying army was out of Cambodia in 1989, but the hidden forces are still there.
In order for us to live peaceful in coexistence as good neighbours we have to respect the sovereignty and national integrity of each other, no truly independent nation/race can stand the violation of its territories. I don't blame Vietnam, but I blame our spineless and slave attitude of the current Khmer leaders. Cambodia had/has lost a lot to Vietnam in terms of land. I need not elaborate in this since you have a good knowledge of politics you know the history of the region.
KNM
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It true that vietnam some what "liberated" khmer from pol pot. But the liberation isn't the case. Invasion is the total intention. Just look at the politicians and policy in cambodian government nowaday.
French dictated vietnam for over 200 years and they was forced to leave. What the youn doing to khmer will never be forgotten!
What I've read and analyzed, Vietnam have no intention to liberate Cambodia. China and YOUN, if they want to let the world know about POL POT brutality they would done so. But they didn't. They totally closed their eyes. YOUN had set a trap for POL POT to advance into Vietnam (former know as Khmer Krom) so they can have the accuse to fight back. YOUN had cause border of and on with POL POT so many times. POL POT already knew that he is no match with YOUN but he didn't want YOUN to think that KRs not going to sit and let them tie their hands. Rather of give up to YOUN, POL POT fought them back. And this cause the invasion. Talk about those YOUN that died in the border fight, that wasn't true that Le Duch Anh said that were so many Vietnamese died. This claim is bullshit. YOUN already evacuated their people out the border and left out those KHMER KROM to stay. When POL POT got into srok YOUN they only slaughtered Khmer. YOUN set this up real good. And they laughed for seeing Khmer killed Khmer.
Khmer PP,
I said, stop to concentrate and try to explain that bastard yuon. Their brain remains on grabbing Cambodia land. This is what that bastard ho chi minh point to the west. There is one Khmer Professor who wrote a book during Lon Nol regime about " THE TRAVEL FORWARD THE WEST ".
C'est vraie si le Vietnam prétendait aider et sauver les Khmers du régime de POL POT alors pourquoi le prince Norindrapong dans l'interwie avant sa mort disait que le massacre il y avait des mains de POL POT mais en majorité c'était des vietnamiens . Nous sommes au 20 ieme siecle les américains sont venu aider les européens contre les nazisms et jusqu'au preuve contraire ils n'ont pas annexés la plupart des etats nations européen comme Etat supllémentaire des Yankee . Et c'est tres étrange le comportement de nos voisins vietnamiens Est c'est politiquement correct en faisant déplacer les frontiere vietnamienne à l'intérieur des territoires terrestes et maritime khmeres Je trouve tres étrange Mes salutations pour MR HOANG
I'm STILL very disappointed that OUR GREAT COUNTRY (U.S., off course)did not nuke the damn commie Chinese and commie Vietnamese. In fact, all options were on the table.
NUKE les chinois NON NON c'est pour contre balancer l'URSS pour le vietnam à l'époque US ARMY aurait du détruire le barrage cela suffit largement mais Dr KISSENGER a peut etre negocier avec CHOU EN LAI. La miniaturisation de NUKE exite d&ja à l'&poque
YOUN! They always want more and more Khmer's land.
You are right! Regardless of YOUN being communist or democracy they still killed/killing Khmer. Look back S. Vietnam before under Ngo Dien Diem he killed a lot of Khmer Krom.
Now, communist still brutalizing us Khmer Krom day after day.
Khmer and Khmer Krom must rise up and protect our identity.
Khmer/Thai Border,
That's why you need your brother from the border to liberate you out of YOUN's hand. We will shell Tang Kra-Sang!
This is the reality that HUN SEN seems not to understand the warning from that professor.
"THE JOURNEY TOWARD THE WEST"
Or in Khmer called
"Dom Noeur Chpoh Tov Tois Kang Lech"
The reality already comes. Look at Thailand with the population of 75-80 Million and YOUN Million, these will be spilled and flooded over to Khmer which we are lesser population then them.
of course this just like a water.
When water is over flooded the other pond, it will creeping to the lower pond with lesser water.
Water is dangerous! This is true.
We depend on water and we can die from water.
Khmer USA<
I would blame everything on the damn FRENCH!!!
That Frang must be brought to trial that they it had done wrong of illegally transferring Khmer's land to YOUN without respecting the contract made between Khmer's king and Napolean.
If I were HUN SEN I would shut down the damn French embassy in Phnom Penh. If they care enough they will have bring the case of Khmer's land or Cochinchin back to trial. I heard that they put this case in pending since 60s and the 70s until now cause we were/are still involve in war.
Down the French and YOUN!!!
Shame on French that they thought the YOUN going to please them forever. Instead they got nailed by the YOUN at Dien Bien Phu. They thought YOUN carry on their influence to the end. Yes, they did of borrowing or turning their alphabets from Chinese to Roman Alphabets.
Beside that is a small religous "Catholic" religion that the YOUN carrying over.
YOUN beat the French and say thanks for transferring the Khmer's land to them.
Khmer Komsott,
The reason the French sided with YOUN because Khmer hardly please and take order from French. Khmer resisted in all forms from French such as:
-Culture
-Alphabet
-Religion
French didn't like Khmer because we refuse to do what they told us.
Khmer Border,
Hi My Khmers,
KNM, wrote is his opinions and may be a little correct but many aren't correct.
China became Communist and helped Vietnam along with Soviet for the sake of Communist againts the US, but her intention has always aimed to swallow Vietnam the same as Vietnam wants to swallow Cambodia. China does not care for small nations, somehow Cambodia is a hot spot for her economic power in South East Asia, she is important as a transit or pawn for that.
The main problems in Cambodia are two things:
Vietnam has intentions to divide Cambodia with Thailand and you all can look up the first Vietnamese man named Phan Boi Chau who went to Japan in 1905 to Thailand in 1908. Some members of the intellectual Vietnamese and Thais like Pridi Phomnamyong met each others in France, should surprise no one except my Khmers remain dumbest. And do not forget that the the Vietnamese Communist created Khmer Rouge was around 1930's.
Another main problem, I blame my Khmers for being so stupid arrogant lacking of diplomacy allowing the French to be lured by the Vietnamese and not even that the French employed the Vietnamese to administrate Cambodia and Laos state affair. THAT WAS A GREAT DESTRUCTION BY MY KHMERS. Because my stupid stubborn Khmers believe that shaking hands with enemy is a traitor not a diplomat.
The Vietnamese figured that out
and they did sheep dip Vietnamese men and women "many" in the name of Khmer Krom.
Did-Do my bastard Khmers know how would they do to save Cambodia instead of blaming the King?
I am fed up with my stupid stubborn Khmers, I blame no one but ourselves for lacking of diplomacy since in the past.
-Changing alphabets, Culture and Religion to help Cambodia to become a properity nation, why NOT? Why are we so proud while we are so poor and and fucking bakward? Indonesia or Malaysia changed their alphabets to Latin and why are they not in hell?
That's right the French hated Khmers because of Khmers' stupidity.
Now the Vietnamese aren't afraid to show off their faces as they have been presense in Cambodia from all political stripes.
nd what my Khmers do? They fight and insult the King because they themselves have no way out but miserable.
The saddest thing about my Khmers is many like Om Pritheacha Hin Sithan with some education follows the Vietnamese Ly Ngoc Dinh -Diep, a fake Khmer Krom.
What is the different between Khmers in Cambodia and Khmers outside like Pritheacha Hin Sithan in California? None -they are all alike.
If you voted for CPP (Cambodian People's Party):
Also known as:
Communist People's Party
Khmer Rouge People's Party
Khmer Krorhorm People's Party
You're support the killing of 1.7 million innocent Khmer peoples.
You're support the killing of innocent men, women and children in Cambodia on March 30, 1997.
You're support murder of Piseth Pilika.
You're support assassination of journalists in Cambodia.
You're support political assassination and killing.
You're support attemted assassination and murder of leader of the free trade union in Cambodia.
You're support corruption in Cambodia.
You're support Hun Sen Regime burn poor people's house down to the ground and leave them homeless.
These are the Trade Mark of Hun Sen Regime.
Hun Sen, Chea Sim and Heng Samrin are Khmer Rouge commanders.
When is the ECCC going to bring these three criminals to U.N. Khmer Rouge Trail?
Khmer Rouge Regime is a genocide organization.
Hun Sen Regime is a terrorist organization.
Hun Sen Bodyguards is a terrorist organization.
Hun Sen Death Squad is a terrorist organization.
Cambodian People's Party is a terrorist organization.
I have declare the current Cambodian government which is lead by the Cambodian People's Party as a terrorist organization.
Whoever associate with the current Cambodian government are associate with a terrorist organization.
Hun Sen's government (Cambodian People's Party) invented human right abuses, intimidation, death threats, assassination, murder, killing, eviction, land grabbing, injustice and corruptions in Cambodia.
These are some of Hun Sen Regime's Trade Mark.
Under Hun Sen Regime, no criminals that has been committed murder and all other crimes within Hun Sen's government ever been brought to Hun Sen Regime's court.
the youn bitches always have bad intention on cambodia. khmer people can never trust the youn criminals!
What? you call, "helping Cambodia to be one of the fastest growing countries on the planet" bad intention? If so, you ought to seek professional immediately, stupid (1:12).
3:53 AM,
Ah Chh'kaer Yuon, ah kone mi chor Lourch dei done ta Khmer anh.
Ah Kh'vang, ah Roleay roub, ah Runteas Banh, ah Ngorb tao Horng doy Krolab larn, lich touk kopal.
KNM? hahahaha, LOL, hahahaha, ...
Who are you trying to fool, Ah Khmer-Youn?
Khmer komsot,
What a pity! Why shame on French?
It was our Khmer faults for lacking of a good diplomacy or lacking of a good communication. Lacking of these skills will only lead us to a self destrution.
Stop blame others and wonder why don't they like or love us, but find out what is wrong with us, and change it.
stop blaming others and wondering. correction.
No one blamed the French, dude, (12:08). What we blame is the idiot who invited them over and virtually destroying the entire region as a consequence. Do you see the difference?
2:25PM.
No I don't see the difference, because you wrote based on hearsay not based on history.
French or European like Dutch, Span, and Portuguese were in South East Region since in 14th Century. They were there for Trading and doing the colonization after Angkor was sacked by Siam. King of Siam reached out to them and their helps with gun powder ect, they sacked Angkor Wat so easy.
French went to Vietnam before Cambodia in 17th century through Catholic missionary. The european were romaing around competing with each others for treasure and to colonize the region while at the same time Siam & Youn were surogated parents to Cambodia.
Khmer King saw a chance to may be free from Siam & Youn a few letters to Napoleon 1st failed intercepted by Siam through the French Priest. At least the King did secretely cry for help instead of letting the French thought that Cambodia was a dead nation or belonged to Siam and Youn. Invited them or not the european would havd taken every land they can get.
The Europeans were all over the world back then so there were not chances for the poor nations in Asia, or Africa can do anything.
If you remember a big nation like India was part of British empire, and some in China, Egypt, most Middle East through Africa nations were to, you wouldn't write without a reference.
Read the history before you pissed.
I blame our stupid stubborn Khmers for lacking a good diplomacy.
I wrote based on hearsay, 11:41? And what exactly might that be? What is hearsay is your suggestion that the European would have taken Cambodia by itself.
Fact of the matter is the Khmer King is an idiot. He invited the French over to protect Cambodia, but the French didn't protect Cambodia. They end up swallow up Cambodia abusing people which give birth to many resistances that end up sending many innocent people to the mass graves. There is nothing hearsay about that. It's fact.
On the other hand, even if the Thai and Viet swallow up Cambodia, no one will have to go into the mass grave. Just look in Thailand. How many mass graves are there? Just look at Champa, how many mass graves are there? Again, no hearsay here, just fact.
Europeans colonization the whole world, and what's so special about a tiny Cambodia?
French, British, US, Soviet took every body land, and French were already in Vietnam since in 17th century and Thailand before that.
Asking the French for helps was just a way of asking for a recognization that Cambodia existed, but practically French already took the region. It's a matter of time before the French would moved in. If refused Napoleon army would just shoot.
The King was not stupid but he was too soft to his people. He should had adopted the absolute monarchy like in Thaialnd so people like you wouldn't run amuck created too many resistances. If the King adoped the absolute monarchy and worked with French, the French would have not employed the Vietnamese to supervise Cambodia and Laos.
Mass graves're all over the places in every country, because men make wars and continue to make more wars, whether you like it or not, wars will come to us if not by ourselves but by others.
You won't find mass graves of Khmer Krom because the Vietnamese burned them alive in one temple. for about more thna 20 million KK, now the Viets claimed only more than a million KK left.
A great Khmer Empire, great civilization was not built by just using simple men to build, but by other thousand to million prisonners. Just because our Khmers didn't have record to show the world how many great Temples were built like Pyramid does not mean our ancestors did not slaughtered them. Were there mass graves to prove?
If I were the King, King Ang Doung, I woul never flinch from being blamed by you or your clueless people for act of ruthlessness because I believed it's necessary for safe guarding the nation and my own people. I'd not be afraid or fear to strike.
But since I believe that no man can outrun his destiny that's why I am not a leader nor king.
"Khmers created Hun Sen".
correction:
A great Khmer Empire, great civilization was not built by just using simple men to build, but by other thousand to million prisonners. Just because our Khmers didn't have record to show the world how many humans we killed to build our great Temples like thy built the Pyramid does not mean our ancestors did not slaughtered them. Were there mass graves to prove?
No Man can outrun his destiny. We did the crimes we paid. Just like Genshis Khan or any body did.
In fact, if we didn't have French to intervene Cambodia, Cambodia can not survive until nowadays.
However, French seems provide us the chance to live, but not air to breath
Napoleon had never given anyone who served him enough air to breath either. We have to work hard and earn that air even we have to change allegiance or go to bed with Napoleon.
They French people who served Napoleon were living in fear. Napoleon is just the same as any dictator and invader in the world.
I said the King was too soft to his people. If he adopted the absolute monarchy like in Thailand, the French may had given some more air for Khmers to breath, before we became stronger and healthier.
The King was a devoted Buddhist, but still he should not be afraid of being blamed for acts of ruthleassness for safe guarding the nation and his people, because it was necessary to act. Under that situation, the King or other Khmer leaders must not be afraid to strike those who caused troubles could harm the nation.
The parents control the housewhole not the children.
Hun Sen used to say "I am not soft like King Father and allow you to run amuck." You know he meant he is an absolute ruler. Khmers created dictator like Hun Sen, because Kings were so soft to their people.
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