Monday, June 01, 2009

The debate between a Cambodian and a Vietnamese on using people as the agent of real estate business

Traveling to each country is part of freedom of human being, but government of Vietnam has strictly implemented its immigration law. Cambodia is really slack to enforce the laws. Cambodian leaders are drunk of entitlement, power, money and reputation.
This debate op-ed from: CambodianBrightFuture.Blogspot.Com

Dear 5:37 AM,
Thank you very much for your input. Of course, I and my Cambodian friends have no prejudice or discrimination towards Vietnamese. I think your sense of understanding and judging to my view is messily unfiltered.

However, you are right with the idea of short-sighted or long-sighted point of view.

Regarding to your assumption that Vietnamese will never want to migrate to Cambodia is contradict to the raw data we got inside Cambodia. Many workers who bear Cambodian citizens id arrested in Thailand are Vietnamese. Thai policemen tried to get Khmer interpreter for them, but they cannot speak Khmer properly or unable to write their name in Khmer language.

Inside Cambodia, Vietnamese population has been tremendously grown up in two ways:
  1. Their relatives who have already settled in Cambodia several years ago are trying to bring their relatives to live in Cambodia with them.
  2. Many new workers and immigrants of Vietnamese are traveling to Cambodia to seek a new space because in Vietnam land is too dense.

Traveling to each country is part of freedom of human being, but government of Vietnam has strictly implemented its immigration law. Cambodia is really slack to enforce the laws. Cambodian leaders are drunk of entitlement, power, money and reputation.

Vietnamese travelers will increase in the income of local Cambodians? Of course, no empirical study related to this assumption of yours. But what we have seen in everywhere inside Cambodia is that many business places such as bus stations, market places, fishing lakes/rivers, and tourist sites are full of Vietnamese. Cambodia has lost jobs to hundred thousands of Cambodian labors. Cambodia is losing benefits from Vietnamese immigrants because those incoming workers have never paid tax to the government. Worse, they have been taken advantage of easy lifestyle to earn their living and send money back to their family in Vietnam among less competitive Cambodians.

But if it is a normal practice of people flows, it will not be a matter. It is really matter in this article because:
  1. Uncle Ho was very smart to use his people for the independence and expanding territorial land. Of course, Uncle Ho copied this idea from Vietnamese ancestors (Uncle Ho is not Vietnamese by origin, he is Chinese) to send his over populated people to seek new land/space as the instrumental real estate expanding.
  2. Current Cambodian government has not paid attention in dealing with Vietnamese population in Cambodia. In this case, we can say it is because of corruption, gratefulness from many top leaders regarding Vietnam who helped them to have today, and domination influence of Vietnam inside CPP party. There are Vietnamese associations spreading entire Cambodia to help support in all fields such as resettlement, finding jobs and emergent assistance etc. This would be a well planned to planting Vietnamese population inside Cambodia so that one day Cambodian people will become a minor group in their own land as well as their ancestral land. Vietnamese has 80 millions with high rate of birth, Cambodia has 14 millions with low rate of birth imply well "the concept of using people to expand real estate business".

My point of view responding to your input is baseless of racial discrimination. It is the truth happening inside Cambodia. I am admiring Vietnamese government that has genuinely been working for their people and nation. But current Cambodian government is in contrast.



Well, as a Viet, it sounds like I am reading a funny story written for secondary students, nothing less, a very short sighted, illiterate, uneducated guess!

1. If there were more inward travels, I would be very happy since that's a source for local income from tourism. If you want to "keep your traditional Khmer's rituals, your language, your country", shut the border and ya done! So what's the point?

2. True that Vietnam has 80-90 millions in population, but do you know where they live? most are in rural areas, can't move. More and more are coming to cities to find jobs. I would be VERY SURPRISE if they find a better environment in Phnompenh than home cities, so they have to leave. Even I don't endorse this view that many Vietnameses see Cambodia as a sub-class place, I would be happy if you could even point out, or prove that Cambodia is such good that Viet has to flood to your country to find job.

3. There is no strategy such as traveling agents, if the Viet wanted to dominate and over take Cambodia it would have done so long ago and you won't even have a chance to call such an independent country Cambodia anymore. True that Cambodia is small compared to Vietnam, but that doesn't mean Viet is going to take whatever out there for themself. It's a ridiculous view. You better blame (if you are unhappy with) the current status for your own people's unwillingness/incapacity to make changes. I, too, blame our system for failing to live up to the capacity of out country and resource. But changes must come from inside, I don't see if we can "impose" our lifestyle on you. So be it. Of course I want my country to be like South Korea or at least Malaysia. But changes must be from our people.

4. Separate your hatred of the Viet (well I could understand) from logical senses, I would be very happy to see our countries come closer, and people live peacefully with each others. I am an outward looking person, so I finding myself pretty easy to see others in their own ways, but can reason well with. You, and many as well, need to take out the extreme nationalistic views (which is out of reason, ultra nationalism and full of sefishness), in order to see the world a better place. I am saying this to many of my collegues too that if they keep such view for themself, they would just find more isolation, unhelpfulness and reluctance in opening eyes to the world.


Anonymous said...

I am very supprise to see a vietnamese so ignorance about his people invasion of cambodian land and resources. If he ever going to go visit vietnam, spend a few days in cambodia (he will have no trouble at all, unlike us)and ask his people questions about this article. He will be supprise, unless you are just a vietnamese type we have always known.

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Anonymous said...

well, as long as personal interest goes before national interest, we are still seeing this narrow-mindedness or short-sightedness on the parts of our leadership. we must demand change and reform in that regards. please be smart, not blinded by power-corruption or whatever. that's how the past was run in cambodia, we ought to change that for the better of our country and people. two wrongs don't make it right, you kow! god bless cambodia.

Anonymous said...

Is this a two-wrongs-make-a-right argument?