Monday, October 15, 2007

Rebuttals to Insulting Remarks/Cartoons or Comments [KI-Media potential shutdown?]

Dear Ki-Media Team,

I was interested in your remarks in response to the note from the Australia-Cambodia Association published on Friday 7 October 2007. I must say that I was pleasantly surprised to read the note from ACA as I have not been associated with its activities for many years.

However, the point that I would like to bring to your considerate attention is that in your response to ACA you feel that any reader of KI-Media is entitled to write in response to information posted, this is perfectly right and you are commended for it. I also accept and respect the right of other readers of KI-Media not to like me or to disagree with what I have written, but what I think is totally unacceptable is that in response to well researchers articles which were not published in the KI-Media in the first place, I get insulted and offensive cartoons are made by Mr. Bun Heang (whom I have never met and have never spoken to) and given wide publicity by your site.

In the articles I have published, after many years of research in Australia, Cambodia, China, France, Thailand,the UK, and interviews of US, French, Australians and other officials/diplomats, I have not used offensive language and I have not insulted anyone. For instance, in my UPI Commentary reproduced by you recently, I disagreed with Dr. Lao but I did not insult him nor did I use offensive language to respond to his arguments.

The problems that arises is how do you reply to insulting and obscene comments made always anonymously by the majority of your readers who use offensive, obscene and foul language and, of course, are protected by their anonymity. I have always used my name when writing about the history of Cambodia or Cambodian contemporary history, I have never chosen anonymity in order to make obscene comments or use fool language to respond to comments by your readers.

For many months already in KI-Media there have been constant insulting remarks and cartoons against Vietnamese, just because they happen to be Vietnamese. There have also been insulting remarks and obscene cartoons against HM the King Father, King Sihamoni and other members of the Royal Family of Cambodia. Again, I repeat, I do not ask your anonymous readers to love or respect the members of the Royal Family of Cambodia but by publishing their anonymous insulting and hateful remarks I hope that you at KI-Media realize that you are in breach of Google's Blogger Content Policy, which clearly states that:

HATEFUL CONTENT: Users may not publish material that promotes hate toward groups based on race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status, and sexual orientation/gender identity.

VIOLENT CONTENT: Users may not publish direct threats of violence against any person or group of people.

Your readers must be made aware that by using insulting,hateful or obcene language in comments or drawings they are breaking the rules and regulations of the blog and that both KI-Media and the readers may be subjected to legal action. It would be a terrible lost to those seriously interested in information about Cambodia if your blog where to be shut down by Google Inc. because of the actions of some of your readers.

Also, with respect, by allowing this kind of insulting and obscene commentary and cartoons in your blog you are not, I am afraid. contributing to enhancing democracy and freedom of expression in today's Cambodia. You often attack in KI-Media the actions of the Cambodian government curtailing democracy development and freedom of expression, and you are right about it, but I fear you are also contributing to curtailing those freedoms by allowing the publications of anonymous offensive and insulting comments against any writer/commentator with whom your readers do not agree.

Yours faithfully,

(JULIO A. JELDRES)

--
From Ambassador Julio A. Jeldres
Official Biographer to H.M. the King Father, Samdech Preah Upayuvareach Norodom Sihanouk of Cambodia
(Fax and e-mail address withheld by KI-Media)

41 comments:

Anonymous said...

Mr Jeldres,

Are you bully here ?
Cheers,
Bun H.Ung

Anonymous said...

Dear A. Jeldres,
We also have the best PHD or masters degrees in the best schools around the world.
Please , stop writing wrong History of Cambodia.

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. Jeldres,

As you are no doubt aware, open and honest criticism of the current and past leadership in Cambodia can result in attacks, prison terms and banishment. Under those conditions, being able to post anonymously is essential if you truly believe in the importance of an open transparent democratic society.

The cartoon are political in nature and are a part of every western nations media. It is true that many of the comments posted are often racist and abusive, however when supporting freedom of expression one must remember the words of Voltiare "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

KI Media is hardly in violation of any of the terms of its server, but an effort by you to close it down would certainly be a violation of the first principle of democracy- freedom of expression.

Anonymous said...

Re: Julio Jeldres,formally Chilean Sans Frontiere Ambassador to Democratic Kampuchea

It is rather interesting to read the one man campaign to instigate a petit fight between the Sihanoukphiles and Sihanouk critics.In this case the uproar started with the cartonnist, Ung Bun Heang, drawing which was pulling the Excellency Julio Jeldres into the argument in term of legal interpretation of Google term of privacy/agreement.

I find it rather more insulting that Ambassador Jeldres is wagging his finger in KI readers face, dare you mocking my king of rebels and killers,Sihanouk.

For Ung Bun Heang, may be it is personal bitterness that resulted from Sihanouk and his elements treacherous and savage acts back then.Of course, I would see more would feel the same when come to Sihanouk crimes.

Other hands for the foul language,obscene remarks,and insult users may appear distasteful and crude to some elites who are used to sugary language and pretentious gestures.No doubt, they are offensive and lowly but as not to the degree of Sihanouk and his heinous offenses to Cambodia.

Also for the racial laced remarks toward Viets may appear hateful and racist to some folks like Sihanouk who actually love Ho Chi Minh than his own kind and mother.How do Chile people would say about the Spaniards who committed genocide and mass murder to impose colonial culture and language upon the Chile peaceful native people 500 year ago? Is it hateful or pure fact?

My point is, how do Mr.Jeldres weigh out what Sihanouk and his elements have sided with Viets,killers, and colonial in all forms to inflict suffering upon Khmer nation in these past years?

Like it or not Ung Bun Heang expression is just a grain of sand that was airborned by the deadly storm of Sihanouk into Mr.Jeldres unkeen eyes.There is no justification for Jeldres to insulkt victims furthermore in waging rhetorical war here.

As far as KI blog readers opinion, it has tagged its courtesy and codes of conduct somewhere as well. However, Mr.Jeldres has a point that is clearly seen as a threat to KI blog and its readers. This is how it happened when one sleeps with a dog,there is no way of not getting fleas. It is sad indeed, Sihanouk's millions of victim included Bun Heang and family tragedy is no concern of Mr.Jeldres intelligence.

So who is hateful and vengeful here,if we all can read between the lines of Google blog term of agreement and Sihanouk long list of crimes?This reminds me of Vice President Quayle remark,mind is a terrible thing to have.

Mundfully,yours
Kok Sap
Victim of Crimes Against Humanity

Anonymous said...

A threat like this about harmless cartoons should alyways be chosen as a last resort, even for a scholar and gentleman. In contrast to real life, nobody has ever been tortured or killed for using strong words in virtual reality of KI Media. It is no doubt that some comments are really not fruitful for the reconciliation in Cambodia, but losing this blog with its enormous quality for researchers would be a shame for all real democrats. Of course, if this could be a solution for you, Mr. Jeldres, you can be sure that the world will be informed about your part in silencing the most vital oppositional voice in contemporary Cambodia. And this is not a threat, this is a promise!

Anonymous said...

Like master (Sihanouk), like servant! Julio has nothing better to do than to go around and pick on a cartoonist...How comical!

Julio, you ain't sacrosanct! It's free PR for you now. You haven't been getting enough of it in the past. You should thank Sacrava for that. So enjoy your life in the limelight.

Julio, julio, julio...Re-read your writing again and stop to think for a second if you are not that mentally ill -
"...against Vietnamese, just because they happen to be Vietnamese..."

I ain't no Ambassador, but I ain't stoop myself that low to your level! You're just a joke!

A poor and broke Khmer-American in the States

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr Ambassador Julio A. Jeldres,
You are full of inconsistency in your complain on the one hand you are complaining about the anonymity on the other hand about the obscene language, so which one really put you off? Mr Bun Heang never hide his identity, his job is to criticise so what is your point? Shut him up? If you only like to be praised for your work don't publish it here or any where in public. The beauty in living in the third country is the freedom of expression, people here criticise the hypocrisies of the Royal family who can not take any responsibility of their own actions. Their past policies lead to the destruction of Khmer and the nation, this is the view of the critic it's their (the Royal family) job to prove otherwise not an advocate like you to sooth the many mistakes made by them. Your attack on this blog is the behavior that we trying to raise against. Shame on you making a living on the poor Khmer and it's nation. Your attack not only in defense of the Royal family but extend to the Vietnamese as well are you now a champion of Vietnam? You want to defense the Royal family but sadly you have to bring the Vietnamese issues in your defense. You are sick.

Anonymous said...

The ACA rebuttal on the 07/10 has no weight. It has destroyed it's own credibility when it suggests that Bun Heang is on a dole. His wife works for the Police department, he makes money from his drawing, he is a righteous person, his toon sometimes is a bit over the top but his advocacy for Khmer is no less than the Ambassador without Embassy. If you can not stand the criticism don't post your stuffs here or anywhere for people to read.

Anonymous said...

KR Tribunal Candidate: Mr. Excellency JULIO A. JELDRES,

This is the United States of America, not third world country like Vietnam, China, Cuba, Cambodia, North Korea, or Iran, etc... that we can't express our opinion and speech as long as we don't use real violent or force against that person. If you defend Sihanouk that we fame him, why don't you know that How many times Sihanouk defame the USA as imperialist country? Googgle should shut down Sihanouk's website, not the other way around.

If you still defend Sihanouk, KR, and Vietnamese, you're one of the KR candidate to stand on KR tribunal. You're playing apart of it. You think 2 millions Cambodian killed is a joke that Sihanouk created during KR time?. Who called for Cambodian people into jungle to fight for him?

If you don't live with us during KR time, you're better to shut up. We suffer enough with Sihanouk and Hun Sen regimes. Cambodia lost sovereignty, natural resource, and their people due to these two elements.

We, Cambodian people, have the right to say about the bad leader and the good leader and to defend our country. You're not Cambodian and you don't have the right to participate in our own internal affair.

Khmer United States of America

Anonymous said...

"mr" JULIO,

YOU JUDGED US FOR WHAT WE SAID. WHAT WE SAID IS OUR BUSINESS. PLUS ITS TOTALLY TRUE.

WHAT WE SAID AND FEEL ABOUT VIETNAM, IS WHAT THEY BROUGHT UPON ABOUT THEM! YOU HAVE NO REASON TO DEFEND THEM. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND. AND WHEN I MENTION ABOUT VIETNAM OR VIETNAMESE. I DON'T MEAN ALL THE PEOPLE ARE BAD AND LOW LIFE. THERE IS ALWAY SOME GOOD AND HIGHLY ADMIRED ! BUT IN GENERAL, WHEN I MENTION ABOUT THESE PEOPLE, IM TALKING ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF THEM. ANY PEOPLE KNOW BETTER KNOW THAT.


SO BECAREFULL WHAT YOU SAY AND WHO YOU PICKING A FIGHT WITH mr JULIO.
GO AND DO SOME VOLUNTEERING WORK AND HELP MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE. OR TRY TO BETTER YOURSELF, AND FEEL GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF.

Anonymous said...

MR. JULIO PLEASE SUE ME! AND DON'T BULL SHIT ME, WHO KNOW WHAT YOU DID BEHIND CLOSE DOOR!

GO PLAY YOURSELF!

Anonymous said...

Million thanks, Kok Sap. You have spat up the facts on his face.

Have a good day.

ABN Reader

Anonymous said...

Dear Jeldres,

You do you know that this Blogspot,especially means to get real & honest opinion from the readers thru a certain issue that otherwise cann't say or express freely or don't you? For you, Sir ( Mr. Jeldrs ) to demand such respect for all to say and tell the other way around, we feel that you attemp to shut us up completely or may be you had already tried? Than you might be as well not knowing. This is an intelligent spot. It was meant for you, King, government and foreingner like The Vietnamese to hear to think, to act intelligently in respond to what was said. There are defferent things in this world where people got really hurt by few unthinkable people or may we say retarded people? and this how we want you to know. Don't just be in a LaLa..land and pretend everything around you are roses and daisies. It wasn't!!!!!!! and you'd better know and do something!!! shuting us all up, won't get you the true sources that you need to know or otherwise studily & fooly continue doing it. May be you were in Beijin or Piyonyan too much !!! Wake up, you're in a free world!You're not being fair here at all!

Please, if you don't want us to say bad word in this website or giving you our intelligent peace of mind, because it might embarrase you or your party deeply. Please give us some code or something and will let you know thru that magnificent & powerful code. Thank you & please respond kindly

Anonymous said...

people who uses caps make my eye bleed. Please its usesless. If you can make intelligent comment you wouldn't need an all cap.

I don't mean to stand for Mr. Jeldres, but i agree on some points he has make. Some people have really abuse free speech. Sometimes, I even disagree with Mr. Bun Heang, his cartoons sometimes seems really opposed to Cambodian reconciliation.

He fosters more division between Cambodian rather then progress. Sometimes I wonder if Mr. Bun's bitterness really have a any positive input to the Khmer solution.

But, not total disagreement, I think some of his cartoons are straight forward and good.

Mr. Bun as a mature individual should use some restraints in his cartoons as some readers should restrain themselves in the vulgarity of their language to not as accused the general Khmer population of being vulgar like them.

Make no mistake though, I fully support KI-Media rights to exist and I visit this blog everyday to find out the real situation and news of Cambodia.

Khmer Student,
USA

Anonymous said...

I agreed with the excellency's comment only to a certain extend. Perhaps, bounded within a particular country or society. However, I view KI media as an international forum, despite it is anti-King Sihanouk or anti-Khmer Government. Thus, I am against any attempt to legally shutting it down because a certain society feel offensed by some bloggers' ideas, comments, or their normal expressions. How else can different society communicate and shared their belief? They can't go to cambodia to do this because of its restrictions. They can't go to Australia and do this because of other restrictions ... . Thus, we need an open-for-all forum like KI media to meet what is lacking in different area of the world.

May peace be with you, Ambassador.

KJE said...

Where he is right, he is right. Most people posting comments use foul language, insults, and even threats against virtually everybody that holds a different opinion. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. One can only surmise that these people make up certain mental deficiencies with invectives.

This is undeserving for an otherwise excellent KI-Media. It should use the option of screening all comments for foul or insulting language. In all civilized societies insults are prosecutorial offenses. Only their anonymity protects them from that. A point or a differing opinion can be made without insults or obscenities. This does not mean that I concur with the works and writings of Mr. Jeldres.

Anonymous said...

Come on dude(10:08). What's foul language to you, may not be to all of us. Take Denmark for instance, they legalized some narcotic drug and porn that is offensive to many countries. Do you think we ought to block them from our discussion because of their beliefs. That is rediculous, but it will be okay to block them from spreading their beliefs in Cambodia, AU, ... . Do you know what I mean?

Anonymous said...

Mr Ambassador Julio A. Jeldres drop dead !!!!

Anonymous said...

I agree that some people do get too aggressive with their wordings. But this is a blogg area and people blog. And yes people use Anonymous because this is a blog and if everyone have to use a name it will be a nick name. It is not because people are hiding but because we are all KHMER citizens and personal names only divide us. So we as all KHMERS who exspress our hate towards any type of dictatorships to our country including the Royal Families. Mr. Julio can you name some of the wrong doing that King Sihanouk done to the motherland, I mean you are his biographer. You are his little dog that follow him around, you of all people should know everything.

Anonymous said...

He will not talk at this time, but when the King death he's start talking........ so, he can sell some of the infomations to the world Medias, he makes himsefl lot$.

so...what, only Cambodgienne right?

Anonymous said...

Mr Julio A. Jeldres...
I agree with you that some people use coarse or bad languages. It's doesn't reflect to all readers.
I understand others readers that when they read articles about VN wanting the khmer land. How could they hold their breath???
If you were those people. You still have difficulty to contain your emotions too.
So please, in return, I ask the vietnamese government to stop wanting controlling cambodia. Enough is Enough!!!
And I don't hate vietnamese, and, I have vietnamese's friends too.
Mostly, They come by boat to Canada or USA.
All these acts are not the reflection of all viets people.
I guest viets people are tired of their government too. THE COMMUNISTS!!!

Anonymous said...

Julie you are a fool!!!!!!!! cause you think you can foll us.

listen to real small helpeles people dude you may learned somthing real!

Anonymous said...

Hehehe look at this sentence...

"It would be a terrible lost to those seriously..."

Hooliyo (Julio)'s English is excellent, don't you think? And he works as what now??? Damn!

Crazyglue

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. Jeldres,

We wish you good luck defending King in KR's Trail or in any matter.

We surely like to know the other side of a man..oops sorry..King names Sihanouk. Post it on KI, would you?

Anonymous said...

Mr. Jeldres,

Please post whatever you want to post in regard to his Majesty the Kin. But please no Communist's propaganda. That you can take it with you to Beijin and bury there.

Lately, we heard those sick speaches from Mr. Hu JinKatoy kadour, it make us throwing up. What a sick man! Please tell him, if you get a chance that yes, a billion plus Chinese respect him and know him, but the outside world Don't and wish him to just disappear, because he controls those poor and helpless Chinese by his machines guns and a 3000+ brainwashed Coomunist crooked and soon to be corrupted to no end. Good luck to you also!

Ask Mr. Hu Jinto to answer one question, please or How the Chinese Communist government is going to handle their citizens's illness and well being? when their deef ears are turning agianst the true happening around them and oppressing them to death everyday of their lives?

The Chinese rivers are drying up. The pulotion is mounted and the Chinese citizens are dying, not yet alarming, but they will from a decease calls Tobaculosis? Does he know? or care? and if he deos what resource, he is going to give his people to handle such highest & widest spread of decease?

The Chinese people are the most suffering people on this Earth under Mr. Hu Jinto and The Communist Government in China and telll our King to just cool it with that sucking govn and don't you one think that is how our King his bad luck? Thank you

Anonymous said...

I too found some of the comments in KI Media a little over the top with foul languages and over the top personal attack on individuals. But let's be fair! KI Media did put up these issues up for a vote a while back and the majority of the readers voted to have this site the way it is without any moderators or comments edited by the KI Media staff. So leave KI Media and Lok Pu Bun Heang alone! If you don't like it, go read Life Magazine or National Geography.

Anonymous said...

Good point!

Anonymous said...

Some coments are worthless to read, but we treat it as people's personal reaction to the news. Every person has similar reaction to what have happened in Cambodia. However, we trie to react in different tones. We can understand how much education they posess based on what they have said. So be aware of what you said; the better language you use the more we read your comments.

Anonymous said...

Then tell me how much fucking education did I had, motherfucker?

Anonymous said...

There are plenty of resources to change and correct here and not just to rip the royal family or the government or the Vietcong apart, but for them see what should have been seeing and correcting or adjusting for the better of the world. That how we see it. We aren't death! that for sure and when people are not death and thing don't go in the right direction, you know...and if you don't know! read this blog. It truely is yours blind spot.

Anonymous said...

Watch the Chinese people when 200 millions are infected with TB. That # could jump in two years. after that they will be out of control. The next thing Mr. Hu knows, he too is the TB infected patient. Good Luck living in China! and please if you're one of those sick people don't come to Cambodia. Stay up North only! get away from us! Go beg the West for their Antibiotics. My God! could you imagine, if everyone in China is ill with TB?

Anonymous said...

May be majority of them already have TB, but before the Chinese aren't traveling and there weren't so many factories in their country. So no one really know or care about it, but now, they seem to be everywhere. Look out everyone! Take good care of yourself and be safe!

Anonymous said...

FYI, the Chinese life expectancy is 72, and that is reasonably good for a poor country.

Anonymous said...

I respect Mr.Jeldres, Mr.Lao Monghai or Mr.Bury...etc

They should be considered as our Cambodian contemporary living scholars.

But one important thing for all academic scholars is not to be extreme in siding with any personality by protecting her/him from criticizing. I hope Jeldres is not trying to protect our Somdach Ta N.Sihanouk until he losses his academic integrity.

All academic scholars should try to balance their thought and expression all the time.

Referring to KI-Media, it is crucial to understand that the reputation of KI increasingly becomes popular and popular; so this popularity doesn't mean all good for KI; it would be uncertain for KI in knowing their future because this blog belongs to Google Inch. And how can KI use their most effort to stabilize it from diminishing by Google? This is so doubtful.

However, KI should have their own alternative domain or blog to protect from any future uncertainty.

For the comments as anonymity in KI is really troublesome and hard to protect them. But in order to respect freedom of expression, we should tolerate to read their comments. Though we can not know the commenters, but they know themselves; and hope they should not use obscene words, malicious words or insulting words directly to any individuals or repeating their names...etc They should comment in a constructive way...

Jeldres's alarming about the possible shutting down of KI-Media is reflecting both good and bad intention of Jeldres.

KY

Anonymous said...

Long live free speech! Warts and all.

One of the very early post is right, sugary words are not necessary of noble intention all the times, because they can be a facade masking very dirty and horrible motives.

While the raw form expression most of the time shows true and honest emotion.

Tell us please, your Excellency, what does it mean when beloved King called people "Lon Noliens, Americain imperialists, et les traitors"? And tell us how bad it is when people say "f#$%ng Vietcong, genocide perpertrator and Khmer Rouge supporters"?

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir, Hasn't your French people harm Cambodia enough already, by given our land to vietnam. If it weren't the french, we would not loose our land. Because their their abusive nature, Cambodians used to run and hide whenever they see the french. Now, you want to shut ki-media down, a place where we can express our opinion openly without restraint. Although some of the words are not good enough for the elites or some of the excellencies, but those harsh words from simple people do serve their purpose. It expresses the writer's emotions and jolts the readers for reaction. Who are you to say foul language is not appropiate. It is appropiate for certain occasions, that's why it exists. Only people in a high class society like yourself think it is not appropiate. Stop being a hypocrit. You certainly used such language in your life time. I think you want to shut ki-down because you didn't realize how much intelligent people hate you and the king. However, please be at peace sir, only people with intelligence dislike you, ignorant people love you as always. There are many more sites that consist of unappropiate language and pictures. Since you care so much about foul language, Why don't you spend your time shutting them down as well? People hate you because of your association with the king. You defend him as a righteous human being, but in fact he's a real low life, ignorant S.O.B. All he ever want to do is to have alot of sex and sing, the hell with the small people. Perhaps, you've participated in one of the king's party where Cambodian virgins sacrificed their virginity to the king and yourself so that both of you can have a good time as gentlemen should be. He should be a karaoke manager rather than a king. He bows his head to hun sen when he knows that hun sen works for vietnam. The devil(vietnam) wants to take the last bit of our land, and the king is helping them to succeed that ambition. However, he always claim that he loves Cambodia with all his heart, the same claim as the khmer rouge did. The love from both parties killed millions and Cambodia suffers endlessly! Lastly, Cambodians hate vietnamese people because of their deceptive heart. Alot of Cambodians lost their pure heart and replaced it with deceptive heart because of the vietnamese's influence.

Anonymous said...

I think the bad words here are not as bad as the words proceeded from the royal families in the palace including kings queens prince and princess. Talk to someone who used to serve the royal families. I have met quite many people who used to serve the royal families and said the same things. The truth is still the truth even the embasador tried to something to help the king it is very hard for him. At this century the ambassador should do something to help the victims would receive more blessing.

Anonymous said...

To sum it all up. Just ignore whatever julio iglesias was trying to say, keep supporting our national icon Bun Heang, and long live KI.
From Ah Leov...

Anonymous said...

Don't be so hard on the Ambassador fellows. He only know so little about us. He don't know how our average people sleep, what they spend on a bow of rice or noodle... . He only know his small and corrupted diplomatic world.

Anonymous said...

To 8:09a.m

Is today & tomorrow the same day? Get ready! It's coming!

Anonymous said...

Okay.