Taiwan Flight Makes Emergency Landing By Mean Veasna, VOA Khmer
Original report from Phnom Penh
11 January 2008
A Taiwanese flight returned to Phnom Penh International Airport shortly after takeoff Friday, following pressurization problems and a shortage of oxygen, officials said.
Eva Air Flight BR266, bound for Taipei with 136 passengers on board, circled the airport for nearly two hours to reduce the fuel in its tanks before gaining clearance for an emergency landing.
“The pressurization system stopped working, so the plane did not have enough oxygen,” said Kim San, flight chief for Cambodia Air Traffic Services.
“The cargo door was not closed tightly, and then the pressure was not maintained,” said Say Chhunpenhsakun, director of planning and training for Cambodia Air Traffic Services.
After a quick adjustment, the plane took off again.
Eva Air Flight BR266, bound for Taipei with 136 passengers on board, circled the airport for nearly two hours to reduce the fuel in its tanks before gaining clearance for an emergency landing.
“The pressurization system stopped working, so the plane did not have enough oxygen,” said Kim San, flight chief for Cambodia Air Traffic Services.
“The cargo door was not closed tightly, and then the pressure was not maintained,” said Say Chhunpenhsakun, director of planning and training for Cambodia Air Traffic Services.
After a quick adjustment, the plane took off again.
27 comments:
I'm relatively baffled and iffy as to why the captain (and co-pilot)spent two hours circling the airport during cabin pressurized problems. This does not make any sense at all, at least to my aviation knowledge.
Procedurally, when losing cambin pressure during flight, the captain (or first officer) has to declare an emergency, and concurrently and immediately descend the aircraft to at or below 10,000 feet -- at this point, flying the airplane is critically paramount -- and pick a suitable landing field (if the airport is not available during the emergency), and then landing the airplane. Further, in this day and age, most, if not all, aircraft should be equipped with GPS (global positioning system) with vertical and horizontal navigations -- which enable the pilot (s) to depress the FMS (flight management system) to display near airports for emergency landing situation.
Moreover, the distressed aircraft should have priority over other aircraft (in the vicinity of the airport)in an emergency situation, after the captain, PIC, or pilot in command has declared the emergency.
I'm a first officer (co-pilot) in a Boeing 757 (same qualification for B-767), during my 20 plus years of flying, I have had encountered similar emergency experience with cabin pressure problems. Again, when emergency occurs, it is not safe to circle the sky. Also, with all due respect, I have no idea what the Cambodian ATCs (aircraft traffic controllers) were doing?
At this point in time, my belief is that it is premature for the Cambodian aviation officials to make any speculations or conclusion of the incident until further investingation is probed, then they may draw the probability of the cause of the incident.
Khmer forever! Yuon out of Cambodia!
In fact it's hard to believe what Government official says. They are all liars or thieves.
They always made false statements. We are not surprised with those liars.
Having problems with pressurization and lack of O2 and circling the airport for 2 hours! You believe it?
Big liars!
Let congratulate our former pilot for his explanation of the real problems.
People need truth statement rather than false ones thar make them "baffled and iffy".
Governemnt must stop the culture of lying people.
The reason why the plane had to circle the airport is to empty out the fuel. You wouldn't want a fuel bomb when it tried to land.
2:09 PM
The reason why the plane had to circle the airport is to empty out the fuel. You wouldn't want a fuel bomb when it tried to land.
2:09 PM
We (pilots) only have to circle the airport as many hours as require to burn fuel so we can land the airplane; however, when encountering or experiencing gear extension problem (most cases, we can just manually pump the gear handle, but most of the times, does not work, that's why pilots have to fly and burn fuel).
I'm a chheam Khmer Cambodian-American airline pilot. Sorry, I cannot disclose my state or company.
No matter where I am, and what I have become, I will always be Khmer. Khmer always and Khmer forever.
Khmer forever! Yuoun out of Cambodia!
The truth of the matter is the Cambodian aviation officials cannot continue to prevaricate and equivocate the general public about the (recent) incident without obtaining or gathering factual details or circumstantial or physical evidences through thorough investigation.
However, if the government is insisted and incessantly perpetuate their lies and afraid coming forward to inform the public the truth, and, therefore, why not just inform the public that one of the government high-ranking official forgot its precious cargo (perhaps illicit drugs) on the ground. Thus, used the "cabin pressurized" problem as a pretext for the officials to buy time (circled the airport for nearly two hours) until someone on the ground have that prcecious cargo ready to be picked up.
If I were the aviation official, I would be gingerly cautious before making any statement that I would later regret. However, arguably the most ignominious of the officials when they made those unabashed statements to the public regarding the incident without having adequate details.
Incidentally, does anyone know what happen to those black boxes (one records flight instruments, and the other records the pilot conversation; also, these black boxes are installed on the tail section) that were sent to Russia for further analysis of the crash?
I guess no one will know about these boxes that were brought to Russia.
Khmer forever! Yuon out of Cambodia!
I am surprised at the comments by 6:41 or any other aviation experts that say the plane should have landed immediately. I am a former aviation official and aircraft performance expert and would like to point out that the landing weight of an airplane is critical. If the plane is too heavy a landing might create structural problems, e. g. a breaking off of the wings with a subsequent spill of the fuel and the risk of a conflagration. The landing gears are subject to weight limitations as well. Even though there tolerances that vary with the type of aircraft, no plane with full tanks can land safely. A few years back planes simply dumped fuel over unpopulated areas. This practice was discontinued because of environmental and health concern. This is why planes nowadays stay in the air until they have reached a safe landing weight. The pressurization issue is resolved by flying at low altitudes which also causes the engines to burn more fuel/hour due to higher air density. The pilot who posted here should go back to his manuals and check the issues. He certainly is not captain's material yet.
12:44 AM
I'm glad to see someone who is brave enough to speak on behalf of the Cambodian government.
Here's my rebuttal in response to your comment regarding the recent incident:
To refute your comment, I do not need to further elaborate or detail into the subject matter; however, to make everything short, my written argument is predicated on my experience and other pilots' experiences.
Two years ago, I was on a Boeing 747-400 tookoff from Bangkok heading to LAX, 30 minutes later, the pilot had engine problem. What was the corrective course of action for the pilot? The pilot made a 180-degree turn and landed safely without having to circle the sky for two hours.
Also, if I were Ava pilot (or airlines), I will sue the Cambodian government for jeopardizing the life of passengers for not immediately permit the pilot land his or her plane.
Last week, for instance, QF2 - a Boeing 747 - lost power from all four of its main generators 15 minutes away from Bangkok, and the pilot was forced to switch to battery back-up for the landing, according to the Australian Transport Safety Bureau.
I’m glad it was only 15 minutes away, and the pilot immediately returned to the airport and landed safetly in a Boeing 747 with 343 passengers on board.
I’m certainly glad that the captain did not have to circle the sky for two hours. Also, I want to know if the Ava Airlines has grounded its fleet following the the incident (the Australia Airline did): the incident was being further investigated and the entire B747-400 fleet has been inspected).
Please tell me did the Cambodian government aviation official put you up to this and paid you to make this comment?
Khmer forever! Yuon out of Cambodia!
You are very good 6:26AM,
The expert who posted here should go back to his manuals and check the issues.
I live in Australia as well, I have never seen any planes flying in the sky for 2 hours for an emergency landing.
This expert must have got his qualification from Hanoi.
NSW, AUSTRALIA
NSW, AUSTRALIA 6:49 PM
Thanks!
First of all, I am a 100% blood Khmer-American airline pilot flying a Boeing 757 (and Boeing 767). Yes, I washed dishes in the fast food restuarants and worked my way to become a first officer (co-pilot) in a Boeing 757 (and 767). I'm not bragging, but I'm proud my achievment as chheam Khmer. The training is real. ... The training that I received is not from Yuon Hanoi, and therefore I will speak the truth.
Following my reading of the 12:44 AM rebuttal response, I immediately checked and confabulated with my captain and other colleagues who fly the same category of aircraft. The answer might surprise the idiot 12:44 AM. My captain and the rest of my colleagues have unequivocally made assertions that they undoubtedly will land the aircraft as soon as practical (or in case, you, 12:44 AM, don’t know, we use the phrase ‘as soon as practical’ not ‘as soon as possible’ in the real world of emergency) when emergency arises within the vicinity of the airport. We do not wait or circle the airport or city. Since the inception of the Homeland Security Deportment, if you circle the city or airport for two hours or more, you better have a good explanation for the TSA , or Transportation Security Administration (we, pilots, call them ‘thousands standing around’), the G-man, or FBI agent, and the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) when you’re on the ground. Therefore, my captain and colleagues – including me – will unflinchingly and categorically underpin our assertions. We were professionally trained in the United States of America – not from Yuon Hanoi.
12:44 AM , here something we (the pilots) typically receive practically every day in real life experience, thus allow us to learn from those mistake. When comes to the welfare of the passengers’ lives, we do not bull shit like the Cambodian government does. WE TELL IT AS IT IS. … THE BLACK BOXES WILL PROVE THE INCIDENT. In any crash incident, it takes months, if not years, to fully investigation, to pinpoint the actual cause of the crash. Because the Cambodian government aviation does not have NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board), that’s why they can funnily come to a conclusion just within minutes of the incident. THAT’S AMAZING!
A FedEx plane makes an emergency landing at Tulsa International Airport Saturday morning. Around 5 a.m., emergency crews received a call that the plane's landing gear was stuck and would not come down. The landing gear eventually came down and the plane made a safe landing at the airport.
Crews then found hydraulic fluid had been leaking from the plane. The problem was fixed and the plane was back in the air within minutes. There were no injuries. Oh, my Lord Buddha … am I glad that the captain did not have to circle the sky for two hours or more to burn fuel.
12:44 AM, when emergency occurs, we, the pilots, we do not have time to refer to our manual. Time is the essence! Time is very critical … every second counts – we do not have time to read the DAMN manual (we called it the ‘Bible’). It’s critically imperative and paramount that in a real emergency, the first rule is to FLY THE AIRPLANE. We procedurally fly the airplane and we utilize our memorization to get the airplane to normal condition, then we can safely confer with our Bible (manual).
12:44 AM, if you are here to refute my comments on behalf of the Cambodian government aviation, you should ask these clowns, “where are the black boxes that flew to Russia for crash analysis?” In my estimation, I highly doubted that the general public will hear the truth about the actual crash atop Bok Kor Mountain. And the general public will never hear the truth about the recent incident (just like the Bok Kor Mountain incident).
12:44 AM, with all due respect, your ignorance amuses me.
Khmer forever! Yuon out of Cambodia!
10:49
I am glad I amused you. I am sure the captain knew what he was doing. In the end it is always his decision. Flying in a holding pattern to lose weight is SOP, not matter how you cut it. Your comments make you appear a very excitable person, the last thing one would look for in a pilot. What has politics got to do with it? With all due respect you must be a real moron.
12:20 AM
Why take time to argue with me if you don't have any knowledge of the subject. Again, your ignorance amuses me once again.
I think you're a White man who tries to kiss the Cambodian government's ass all the way. Or should I say that you're also kissing Yuon Hanoi's ass, too.
In reality! I never like the White man. I have always consider you guys are robber barons.
Khmer forever! Yuon out of Cambodia.
12:20 AM
This shit must be trained in Hanoi.
He maybe works at the US Embassy in Cambodia.
Hanoi trained does not among to anything.
I THINK THIS SHIT A DUMB WHITE MAN PROTECTING GOVERNMENT.
FUCK THE WHITE MAN THE FUCKING WHITE MEN SHOULD BE OUT OF KHMER
12:20 AM this fucker always have negative comments about khmer
even made comments about all khmer live in the usa for 20 to 30 years still live in the slum and still live on welfware.
this fucker is the white trash, i hink he a kkk or khmer goverment ass kisser
i think one day the asia will dominate the white and white will be our slaves, this shithead 12:20 AM already a slave
You are very good 6:26AM,
The expert who posted here should go back to his manuals and check the issues.
I live in Australia as well, I have never seen any planes flying in the sky for 2 hours for an emergency landing.
This expert must have got his qualification from Hanoi.
NSW, AUSTRALIA
6:49 PM
Just ignore the White trash
The White trash think that the White men can only pilots, no one else. This is a White men trash mentality. The only know how to fly by manual, then realize it's too late when hundred of passengers died. The White trash pilots are too arrogant.
12.20
your mother and kids (I don't think you're married 'cause these never had a mother) waiting for you in the ground while aircaft circling airport to burn fuel and reading aircraft manual to figure out what wrong you must be fucking kidding i'm glad you don't have a wife and your kids and mother will hate you for that.
I found this article on Chinapost.com
You may find this article on chinapost.com under Eva airlines incident.
Based on the article on the incident, the Taiwanese Times seems to have different account of the incident from the Cambodian government.
Sunday, January 13, 2008
AFP
PHNOM PENH -- A plane carrying 146 passengers and crews was forced to make an emergency landing in Phnom Penh shortly after take off due to technical problems, an airport official said Saturday.
The EVA Airways flight, which was en route from the Cambodian capital to Taipei, returned to Phnom Penh International Airport on Friday about 15 minutes after it left, said Kim San, chief of Cambodia Air Traffic Services.
The plane, which had technical problems related to supplying air within the cabin, left for Taipei after being grounded for one hour, he said.
Khmer forever! Yuon out of Cambodia!
WHY THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT KEEP LYING
THE FUCKING CAMBODIAN GOVERNMENT TOLD DIFFERENT VERSION OF STORY ABOUT THE INCIDENT THAN THE TAIWANESE GOVERNMENT.
WHAT ARE LYING BASTARD REGIME. KEEP LYING TROUGH YOUR TEETH.
Unfortunately, most of the comments made here are worthless drivel by obviously undereducated Khmer trash. They accuse people of being trash while it is them who are the trash. These lowlife characters cast a very negative image on all the upstanding and honorable Khmer both in the U. S. and in Cambodia. Shame on you all.
THE HELL
SELL THE AIRPORT TO VIETNAM OR CHINA THEN WE BE HAPPY
WE ODN'T NEEDD OUR LAND OR ARPORT ANYMMOR
ANYONE WNATO BUY CAMBODIAN ALND
NOW ITS A CHANCE TO BUY
EVERYTHING ON SALE TIL ELECITON JULY
There was no problem at all of depressurization in cabin or lack of oxygen. It was a very minor problem and no emergency was declared. The aircraft flying around was part of the procedure to determine this minor problem. Of course if serious or critical it would have been landed.. The bullshit saying came from uncompetent civil aviation officials who should have closed their mouth instead of telling things that even them they don't understand. The problem is that as they are officials, the press agencies believe them... We have monkeys every were in our goverment. Their titles does not mean that they are smart or competent....
6:59 AM
This is so-called the Hanoi's SOP, standard operating procedure (for the monkey government)to circle the airport to two hours in an attempt to ascertain the source of the problem, particularly when crude oil is nearly $100 per barrel. WOW! That's simply amazing!
Why didn't the monkey government just call it a "tour ride" or "joy ride."
I'm speechless!
Khmer forever! Yuon out of Cambodia!
12:46
Are you really a pilot? In view of your comments it is hardly believable. Isn't it the captain's decision what and what not to do when there is a problem with the plane, or the passengers for that matter. Press releases by airport authorities often don't tell the real story.
11:47 PM
In accordance with the FARs (Federal Aviation Regulations), the captain, or pilot, as a PIC (pilot in command) has the final authority to solely make any decision in any phase of flight under normal or abnormal condition.
In case you're interested in aviation career or just being curious, leave me your fictitious e-mail, I be in contact with you. Also, we're recruiting a lot of pilots.
Sorry, I cannot elaborate myself ostentatiously while I'm online.
The answer to your question: yes, I am a pilot.
Khmer forever! Yuon out of Cambodia!
Normally we should not believe the Gov Officials what they said eg in case of Flight error...
just officilally said =means liar...they just politically said.. not technical and true at all
Dr. Excellency Achar Knoy
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