Fri, January 25, 2008
The Nation (Thailand)
Relations with Cambodia have soured after the Defence Ministry alleged yesterday Phnom Penh had "made up" history to claim the ancient Hindu temple of Preah Vihear and get it listed as a United Nations World Heritage site. Published on January 25, 2008
The military condemned Cambodia for creating "false evidence" in order to claim the historic site for its unilateral benefit.
The military demanded the Foreign Ministry lodge an official protest with Phnom Penh, its spokesman Lt-General Pichsanu Puchakarn said.
The matter was a topic at a meeting of the Defence Council yesterday.
Last year, Thailand disputed Cambodia's wish to have the Hindu temple listed as a heritage site on the grounds the two kingdoms should jointly benefit from the ancient attraction. Access to the site is mainly via Thailand, although the temple itself is in Cambodia.
Cambodia created a new boundary to claim sovereignty of the entire area, and was campaigning for international support for this, Pichsanu claimed.
The new government should take the issue seriously, the military said. Phnom Penh could generate anti-Thai sentiment among people living along the border, and this could pose a threat to security on the Thailand side, he said.
"The military, notably the Second Army Region, will be on alert to protect our people and sovereignty," Pichsanu said.
Defence Minister General Boonrawd Somtas was worried and had encouraged everyone to seek a settlement.
"We shall not quarrel over a small piece of land, but let's talk for mutual benefit," the minister said.
The International Court of Justice ruled in June 1962 that the temple belonged to Cambodia, but the site has been the core of conflict between the two countries since then.
Foreign Minister Nitya Pibulsonggram and his Cambodian counterpart, Hor Namhong, discussed greater cooperation in developing the historic temple when Nitya was in Phnom Penh in December.
The two ministers said then there was no dispute, and Thailand agreed to provide technical assistance to train Cambodian workers to restore the ancient site prior to the proposal to list the temple.
The military condemned Cambodia for creating "false evidence" in order to claim the historic site for its unilateral benefit.
The military demanded the Foreign Ministry lodge an official protest with Phnom Penh, its spokesman Lt-General Pichsanu Puchakarn said.
The matter was a topic at a meeting of the Defence Council yesterday.
Last year, Thailand disputed Cambodia's wish to have the Hindu temple listed as a heritage site on the grounds the two kingdoms should jointly benefit from the ancient attraction. Access to the site is mainly via Thailand, although the temple itself is in Cambodia.
Cambodia created a new boundary to claim sovereignty of the entire area, and was campaigning for international support for this, Pichsanu claimed.
The new government should take the issue seriously, the military said. Phnom Penh could generate anti-Thai sentiment among people living along the border, and this could pose a threat to security on the Thailand side, he said.
"The military, notably the Second Army Region, will be on alert to protect our people and sovereignty," Pichsanu said.
Defence Minister General Boonrawd Somtas was worried and had encouraged everyone to seek a settlement.
"We shall not quarrel over a small piece of land, but let's talk for mutual benefit," the minister said.
The International Court of Justice ruled in June 1962 that the temple belonged to Cambodia, but the site has been the core of conflict between the two countries since then.
Foreign Minister Nitya Pibulsonggram and his Cambodian counterpart, Hor Namhong, discussed greater cooperation in developing the historic temple when Nitya was in Phnom Penh in December.
The two ministers said then there was no dispute, and Thailand agreed to provide technical assistance to train Cambodian workers to restore the ancient site prior to the proposal to list the temple.
36 comments:
The thais were a tribe coming from south China and used by the Khmers as slaves in the Khmer Army or to build Ankgor Wat (that's why in deed they claim to build Angkor Wat, it is not wrong...We used them as slaves....). When some of these slaves were emancipated. they install some villages in the Khmer territories, authorized by our great generosity. To survive they had to steal and create some thieves gangs . Step by step they took our lands , make some little kingdom with the king of thieves, burnt Angkor Wat and deported our population and our women and little by little created in what is now Thailand... They are just good in copying us (alphabet, traditional dances, royal court, etc.). For reference, for centuries, the main thai royal used in the Thai royal palace language was khmer. Their feeling of being inferior and not knowing where they come from created some theories nationalism that are fake and not standing historically... eg. claiming that our western and northern regions belong to them... They have thieves mentality and it does not change nowadays. They still want to steal....eg Preah Vihear... What they do nowadays and what they are able to do is because by our weaknesses and indifference toward khmer patriotism, we let them do. eg. letting khmer flag in decomposition in stratetigic points... Khmer must be united to defend our territories !!!! If we are not able, let the Thais and the Vietnamese come in our territories, take our lands, our women and for us to become slaves of our neighbourgh... Our leaders and Kings since Angkor Wat are too selfish and just had a dick in the head than defend the Khmer Nation... In Phnom Penh and Cambodia, more and more, we see foreign asian white skin (chinese, korean, vietnamese, thais...) taking over on strategical position (Army, Politics, Finance, Business, Medias, Real estate, etc.). The real khmer in the key position can not do much as they are surrended by corruption, money provided by foreign powers and individual. Soon the real khmer black skin will just serve as domestic housemaids, motodoups, slaves or clean the shoes of our new masters (as what happened in Malaysia since 30 years...). Anyway, as we just are good at stealing each other, disouting among ourselves and fuck karaoke girls drinking Johny Gold or Green Label, we may deserve it.... There is no sense of patriotism and nationalism in our people nowadays, just sense idiotism and alcoholism... By such attitude, we are condemned to be colonized and serve our neigbourghs... This is our fate .... Where is hidding the reincarnation of Suryavarman II or Jayavarman VII? Shall we just count on an individual to save us or shall we move as a proud people? Where are the real khmers?
Crazy Thai Government. A shameless nation! You may try to cheat your young children about Khmer, but you cannot cheat international bodies and UN.
Mr.8:38
The (brown skin)Khmer (indigneous) people have been oppressed for so long that drinking and other forms of pleasure you mentioned have become ways to console themselves. Foreign and local tyrants encourage their indulgence in such vices to control and exploit them. Alcohol and other forms of vices have been used tools for colonisation in history.
In Malaysia they have a bumputra policy to help the indigenous Malays to catch up with the Chinese. After a generation or so, to the surprise of even Malay sceptics of the police, the indigenous Malays have by and large caught up with the Chinese.
There is no such policy in Cambodia. The Pol Pot ultra-nationalism that changed the "Khmer" into "Kampuchean". nationality has turned out to be detrimental to the Khmer race. Prior to the Khmer Rouge era, in our identity cards and passports, our nationality was Khmer. What is it now? Kamopuchean or Cambodian.
Regarding Preah Vihear and border issues, how many are knowelegeable about all these issues? Are there any Khmer historians researching and publishing books on them? Where is the official documentation?
We have even jailed our own fellow countrymen who had raised the border issues and criticised the government position on them, instead of using this criticism as additional strength when negotiating with neighbouring countries.
Some time back I got some documentation on Preah Vihear posted on this blog. Perhaps it should be reposted, again and again.
LAO Mong Hay, Hong Kong
What the hell they talking about? Why they want Cambodia to jointly benefit with siem. No way
you think Cambodian people is going to kill Siemese and only Siem who did ugly action to Cambodian
Go to hell Siem!!!!
Dear 8:38AM,
I wonder where you have your information from? Angkor was being built in the 11 th century for 30 years period before the Thai has even established in their present place. During that time, Cambodia was a big empire composed of two ethnic, Khmer and Mon. The Thai ethnic has just left from their origin from south west of China ( Province of Yunnan ) until the invasion of Mongol from 1206 onward. During this Angkor wat has been completely built. The Thai King and people have asked Cambodian king some lands for their refuge from mongol onslaught in Cambodian lands. But after an internal problem of Cambodian Kingdom, Thai King have fought with Cambodia to set up their own Kingdom inside Cambodia Kingdom. Areak Prey
It is going to be worrysome for thousands of khmers generals who have no experiences at all in warfare if the THAI are trying to use force again Cambodia.How about ,HUN SEN ,the man poukai tai noeung khmer knea aing ?It's going to be a challenge for him .I bet there were some deserters already among those generals.Yep, when chen kap chrouk became general, you should expect it to happen.
I remember in 1985 when I were in Khao I Dang Camp Thai People alway like to do bad thing to Khmer Peoples sometime they Kick khmer People, hit Khmer peoples,"Siem and Youn is the same they only want to eat our land, As I'm one the Khmer Blood I never Surrender to any one of them.
Go to hell, Thais!! Only if Cambodia government is not stupid enough to soften their stance in listing the temple as the world heritage. Just remember, the Thai would do everything in their power to destroy us. Even we have decision by the International Court of Justice to demonstrate our ownership over the temple, the Thais still linger there! Joint efforts? that is out the question! Preah Vihear belongs to Cambodia, and Cambodia ALONE. PERIOD.!
We have to tell Thai Government their Statehood has just been established in 1238 with in Khmer Empire. They have developped their kingdom from Khmer lands ( all their present land), khmer people ( Khmer surin), khmer culture ( art and dancing ), from khmer other ethnicity ( mon ). They should shut up and stay peace. Areak Prey
To all KHMER,
It's not good enough yet when you just only talked. You can solve any kind of problem if you are united. I'm telling you that's the cause.
Your good neighbor
My grand-Ma,a Battambang native who was borne in late 19 centuary,had todl me :
Pouk Siem Chea Sass Chor
Poun Vea Chea Chor taing
pi Sdech Rohoth Dall Reatr
Siem are the Thieves races
They are Thieves from the
King to its people.
let's go ahead and go to war with the khmer and take the Preah Vihear Temple back, and then our ruined Angkor Wat Temple back, the khmer knows that these temples belong to thai so we will utilize everything in our military disposal to have these cultural icons back where they belong (thailand)the khmer has no match with our thai military
HAD WE HAD THIS DISPUTE WITH THE VIETNAMESE -- THIS TEMPLE WOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO VIETNAM BY OUR GENEROUS PRIME MINISTER.
In order to be well prepare for example we going to fight with the hell of siem, we should think what can we do together to be ready when the situation is coming, set up network, raise fund which can be call Preah Vihea Foundation Fund... to support movement against Asiem?
Anybody have any thought?
No wonder why the thai muslims are killing thais buddhist in the south of thailand. Thai people never show respect to their aisan counterpart, only to the white skins who come to fuck their prostitute, male and female, in Bangkok and Pattaya. Be careful thai people your arrogance and looking down on muslims, burmese, lao and khmer may be the start of your end...
You must know that thai use already spy satellite, air drone (made is USA or Israel...) and infantry in the jungle to recon inside our territory. In case of invasion, they know already all the field, topography and geography from Siem Reap, Battambang and Preah Vihear. If they decide to invade tommorrow, Cambodia will raise thai flag due to incompetence and shit in the head of our leaders. Fortunately, as the yuons is supporting the Phnom Penh government, thais don't decide yet to invasion. However if they give money to the yuon and make secret arrangement to share our territories, it will be the end of khmer...
12:41pm, You act like thai has nothing to lose if they go to war with the khmer. Look at your south border then multiply that by 10 million. But again why would your general who knows nothing about running a country be stirring a meager issue such as this when they got more important things to worry about.
my fellow countrymen
it hurt me and everyone of us when hearing the Thai, a country and national who were cheap, slave and now pretend to be better and claim this belong to them that belong to them never end, it is not a big deal what is history, we canlt dig it out and tell anyone or claim anything from the history anymore, it is a history.... but what worry me is our current situation, Thai and Youn still claim this belong to them that is theirs and our current gavernment doesnt show any interest to clear or fight with these claims from everyone bordering with us. does everyone believe that we will win or fight back with theor claim???? what will we do as the Cambodian when our gavernment doesnt fight for our sorveirity and our teritory intergrety???? if anyone of our countryman dare comes out and propose to our gavernment to protect our nation???? the reason i ask all these questions because Dr. Meng Hay is right, our gavernment will jail anyone who go against them though what they did is wrong.......what els can i say now wait to see what will happen or fight to the last day of life??? if i fight who will support me??? everyone who posted the comment here????? not that many.... how many people who care about the nation and country???? everone roght just to busy to find some food to fill their stomach...
I can't believe that up until now the shameless nation like Thai are still acting like the robbers ever. Seriously, why don't Thai look back to their history and find out what the were before and where they came from.
What the fuck is Thailand trying to fight over a piece of CAMBODIAN HISTORY for again? Preah Vihear is a Khmer Hindu temple, any history that the Thai's may say about it being theirs is all BULLSHIT. Thai's need to stop with this shit, and what good will it do to get your soldiers all rowdy for? Like Cambodia is going to attack your egocentric country. I hate Thai politics when it comes to Thai and Khmer relations, both sides always blow things out of proportion, especially the Thai, which is why most Khmers HATE them. Preah Vihear doesn't belong to you Thailand, it belongs in Cambodia.
IT IS A GOOD FEELING TO SEE THESE TWO CHEAP DOGS FROM THE TWO NATIONS BITTING EACH OTHER.
LET ME BE THE CHEERLEADER AND SITTING ON MY SIDELINE AND WATCH LIKE WHEN THE U.S. WENT TO WAR WITH IRAG.
OF COURSE, INITIALLY, THE THAI WILL BOMB THE SHIT OUT OF CAMBODIA BEFORE SENDING IN THEIR GROUND TROOPS. THIS IS GOING TO BE A GOOD ENTERTAINMENT.
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR -- LET THE GAME BEGIN!
The Thai is a nation created by Khmer leaders who betrayed the Khmer empire. Since there eastablished of the country, they have been stealing, copying all kind of Khmer related (traditions, cultures)you name it. I have one story that was date back over a year or two years ago about the tradition instruments display in Bangkok. When the judge (international) asked what is the history of the instrument? What, when, who and how this instrument was made? The thai don't even know. And one Khmer guy said that instrument was made by Khmer and told the judge all the story the judge agreed with him. And the Thai looked so shameful. And there many more related stroies about how Thai minipulated stuffs around.
Even today they kept preaching or teaching their new generation about us. I bet most of their population has alot of Khmer blood in them. No doubt about it. Remember we are your brother!
Preah Vihear or the Thai called Preah Vihan, this temple will and always belong to the KHMER and many more KHMER's temples inside Thailand are belong to the KHMER. Jayo! Khmer will Rise again. And remember this. What goes up will come down. This time KHMER will come back kick you ass. Look at the situations inside Thaniland now. They having problems within their own. What about our brother KHmer Surin or All Khmers living inside decide to rebel against you. You will be in trouble. You know how much population of Khmer currently living inside Thai? There are alot of Khmers. Look at Khmer in Vietnam, we have about 11-12 mil currently living there.
Folks,
Let go emotional rage over this plot,Siameses are facing crisis as much as koh Cambod ranging from debts to IMF/WB/China and political hostage by singular vision King.
This is time for Siam to assist Hun Sen to win folks emotional reaction over theatrical sketch like Thai embassy raid then.Election time,so RCAF High Command has to llok good in defense for minutes.So minute politic will lend support for Cambod People Party to slaughter Opposition folks.
Send donation to opposition folks if we care to stop this balognae story.Why worry all minsterial like Hoa Kim Hoang are genius in solving border problems.
$30/month fearless soldiers, for sure, will run into Thai M113 and FM 60mm or M69 and newer AK 47 plus Tanks T54 taken from CGC not to mention Thai airforce F105 jet fighters.
Sure Ke Kim Yan will be in front off all fighters like usual.But hold your bid until then.
even Vietnam can't take out Thailand ... You should re consider your strategy and solve problems in a peacful manner. we all know they are bad , but what can we do. that's why UN is play such an important role.
i don't think the khmer troops have capability and ability to fight the thai, the thai is too strong and the khmer is too weak to fight with thai
if we have war with thai, the thai will destroy khmer in less than one week, because khmer has nothing
why don't just give the preah vihear back to thai than move on with life khmer suffer enough already
the thai people know that the khmer is not smart they have all these things in country becasue of thai, such as cell phone other advanced technology from thai, khmer has nothing
i suggest that the khmer stay away and give this temple back to thai in order to find peace
also i don't think the khmer troops are ready for the thai mighty troops just yet
remember when the khmer burnt thai embassy, thai almost bomb the shit out of khmer, but good thing the khmer bowed down and sorry
also give use break on business in cambodia
if the khmer does not want our investments and development we will pull out of cambodia and have the people starve
the khmer this time needs to bow down or kneel down in front of us if they don't want to start war with us
remember, we can destroy khmer anytime we want with our military might
so don't be a fool, give us that temple back if you want to find peace
LOL, hey 11:32pm you sound like the messenger in the Movie "300". Shall i kick you in the pit and say "This is CAMBODIA!!!!"??
I didn't know thais created the cell phone? I thought the japs, koreans, and chinese engineered it. And what "other" great technology has come out of thailand?
Bomb cambodia if thais would like. But will it be worth it? Will the citizen's of thailand ever leave a peaceful life after words? The vietnamese and its puppet government along with the muslims in south may all want a piece of thailand after the fog of war has cleared.
why is this general claiming that Cambodia's Preah Vihear is negotiable. Didn't the world's court at The Hague have already decide that the temple belongs to Cambodia. Why is this still and issue for this general. Why is this thai general, who did not live up to his name, tries to stir historical Khmer hatred of siem, when everyone else tries to reconcile the two people. I bet you, the general public in Thailand probably are tired of all this anti-Cambodia thing in Thailand and just wanted to live and make a living side-by-side with Cambodia. There are too much businesses at stake with this childish behavior that this particular general is having. So, this is likely the work of a few mad individuals in the defense department, who after all, should let the foreign ministry handle this issue more diplomatically. But I don't think there is any issue to discuss, even with the foreign minister because the whole world gov't have already known that Preah Vihear is Cambodia's, so what is there to talk about?
FUCKING THAI MOTHER FUCKERS!! THEY LIVE WITH A THIEVS MENTALITY EVERDAY. GO AHREAD AND WAGE WAR WITH US KHMER. YOU THINK WE SCARED?
I DO NOT THINK THAT THE CAMBODIAN TROOPS ARE PREPARE TO CONFRONT THE THAI MILITARY MIGHT.
YES, IN A GENERAL SENSE, THE CAMBODIAN WOULD FIND ITSELF IN GRAVE CONSEQUENCES, BECAUSE THE THE CAMBODIAN SIMPLY NOT PREPARE TO HANDLD THE THAI TROOPS. THE THAI CAN WIPE CAMBODIA AT ANYTIME IF THEY SEE IT DIM APPROPRIATE.
I THINK THE KHMER NEEDS TO BACK OFF AND STAND DOWN.
fuck khmer coward
you steal everything from thai and said they belong to khmer, for example, the preah viharn that is belong to thai now the khmer claim it is theirs
and now khmer thinks they can fight against our strong army
everyone in the world knows that the khmer arm forces are one of the most outdated and useless so why think of war
khmer should think smart, at least during this critical period of conflict
I have told you before and I will tell you again! This is the nature of the Thaicong politic! Every fucken Thaicong government came to power and each one of them always demand certain part of Khmer territory to appease the Thaicong population or to attract their vote as being patriotic or the Thaicong government is trying to tell the Thaicong population of how tough they are!
The issue Phrea Vihear temple is non-negotiable and again it deal with Khmer sovereignty! The fucken Thaicong needs to get the concept of sovereignty through their fucken brain!
If anything creates by the Thaicong government which lead to instability of the whole Southeast Asia and the fucken Thaicong government will not be forgiven and they will be hold responsible and this is not a fucken warning!
"Despite this, soldiers from the two countries retained close ties."
I want to add the only close tie between Khmer and the Thaicong are corrupted Khmer leaders and Khmer soldiers! Yes... the fucken Thaicong want to be so closed that they want to claim Khmer sovereignty! Ahahhahahhah! What kind of Thaicong twisted logic is this? Never trust the fucken Thaicong!
Fuck the Thaicong investment! Fuck the Thaicong trade! Fuck the Thaicong diplomatic relation! Fuck all the Thaicong!
The fucken Thaicong government is out of line with the civilized world!
This is the issue of the Thaicong government who is looking for tourism dollars and one of the ways to get tourism dollars is to steal Khmer monuments and culture and here in the 21st century and the Thaicong government still behave like a criminal? Yes! More like drug dealers who use threat to achieve what they want! Fuck the Thaicong government!
All the Thaicong government need to know by now that the issue of Phrea Vihear is non-negotiable because it deals with Khmer sovereignty!
So if the Thaicong government desperately needs more tourism dollars to fix their aging F-16 jet fighters and some other useless weapons and I suggest that they force million and million of the Thaicong women to be prostitute like in the 1980!
Khmer government is not in any position to share any tourism dollars from Phrea Vihear with the Thaicong government! Plain and Simple! If the Thaicong government desperately want more dollars from tourism and they have to go out there get it and earn it and don't ever dream that Khmer government will share it unless the Thaicong government want to look down the barrel of Khmer’s guns!
If the fucken Thaicong government dare to start a war and they will be dragged into protracted guerilla warfare which will cost them economically and Cambodia can afford to delay the economic progress because Cambodia is still in the rebuilding process and once Cambodia catch up with the Thaicong economically and it will tougher for the Thaicong to start any shit! Let the fucken Thaicong come and we will greet them with guns, bullets, and bombs!
LOL 11:32 PM
You fucking subhuman, is that just your natural thinking? That is soo sad! People who think like you are the downfall of our great civilization. And Thai people all they can think about is their military might? Thats it? Thai, you've no spirit of man left in you, I wouldn't doubt your heart is as black as the black clad Thai soldiers that murder Khmers. Stop claiming to be buddhist if you can't even follow the first few rules of buddhism! Its no wonder the Muslims are killing you. SHAME!
Thai Must Stop Much its Great Ambition on Eating Khmer
It is the time for Thai (Siem) to know what is right and what is wrong. They try to say themself that they are Biddhists, but what they, both present Thai and their ancestors have done to Khmer are not Buddhists. The bad action of this nation is now being returned. You know the people in the south of Thailand need to seperated themself from Bangkok power. The crisis causes many problem to this country, there are rather every day the killing in those southern provinces. And after the interio conflict of the government, the country fall in new crisis. The crisis is of military coupe de'tat that before this coupe de'tat they held new election but opposition party reject. Now the government that will be born a few coming day is in the crisis too. Those are the kam returned to the bad or Kam that ancestors and generation of Thai have done to Khmer. No long this Thai will be destroyed and losted from the world. So for getting good and need to keep present Thai, Thai themself have to give up and try to do the good since now. Preah Vihea belongs to Khmer. It was built by Khmer ancestor. And finally Thai lost in 1962 by Justice.
I think we have to look our selves before we do any things . The policy should focus to Build Center of Cambodia more stronger then we are not a small baby, sooner the Khmer at Surin,Borey Ram,...All parts of ex. Khmer empire will joined even South Vietnam( Campuchea Krom).But i did not see these action done by Khmer politic. As you see muslim they are so strong as they keep take care their people even they are in Cambodia. Thus a road map of peace and development must be designed to make Cambodia more strong, when we are strong then all parts of Khmer will joined then we can be a strong country again.
As you all see now a changes of Cambodia as well: Flock investments from China, Korea, Vietnam, they are own a huge land so if like these we will be like a slave in our own country. No one thinks about this they think of Prak Dollars. We lost Lovek by Siam because of Prak Doung now we will lost our own chance because lost control on our country. You see in Malaysia they have their own strategies : all company must have their people as leader even you are European . For our own country i see even we are better knowledege then them we still work as a slave no protect by the government, no law, no care, these is a bad of our country. So when we are poor we could not get money help our Khmer people. So, one road policy should make it avoid one day we lost all.
About recent in preash vihear, i seen all Thai used military to expand their own country they even prepred for war against us. But we are no strategies to protect. These Khmer leader are always thinks of stupit KAROOKE, FILM STAR AND EVEN CASINO every nigh they do not care about their own people. It is a crook of our nations. You see they drink Henessy,.....go to bar one nigh not less than 1500$ they are rarely rare care about what they should do.
As i have search the Thai policy they set up like these: (1). When they wanted any peace of land they will put military, and when the leader get any piece of Cambodia land they give incentive or dollars, even get higher possition if the leader of one contigent could not make as the expectation they decided to changes this leader or even go to jailed. I seen one of leader of military who handle at preas vihear was in jailed now as they let Cambodia people can build house near preash vihear. (2). Strategies is a continous strategies One lost, one again make it, one fail, designed anothers one again, and again, these called continous strategies that set by their leader. As you see the military in Thailand under the control of Surin Thorn, the daughter of King Adulya Detth, she the one who designed the road mape for capture Cambodia land.
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