PREAH VIHEAR / THAI-CAMBODIAN DISPUTETemple area 'should be jointly managed'
Wednesday February 13, 2008
PIYAPORN WONGRUANG
Bangkok Post
The area around the ancient Preah Vihear temple on the Thai-Cambodian border, which has been proposed as a World Heritage site, should be managed jointly by the two countries to avoid stirring up conflicts between them, a seminar was told yesterday.
Associate Professor Surachart Bamrungsuk, a military strategy expert at Chulalongkorn University's political science faculty, said at the seminar that the site proposed by Cambodia also covers a disputed common border area.
Therefore, until the dispute could be settled, the area should be jointly managed by the two neighbours so they could feel at ease with one another in dealing with the issue.
It is virtually impossible now to delay Cambodia's world heritage site application, and therefore working together would be the best way out, he said.
Under the joint management concept, both Thailand and Cambodia would benefit, said Assoc Prof Surachart.
The area could be developed into the region's new tourism magnet, he added.
It is unlikely that world heritage status for Preah Vihear would rule out Thailand's claim of sovereignty over the disputed area since it has nothing to do with border demarcation, he said.
''Demarcation problems in this region are a legacy of colonisation in the past, and obviously they are not easy to fix. However, we may find a way out of this if we just look beyond the border and look for an opportunity during a crisis,'' the academic said.
In 2001 Cambodia officially asked the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation to put Phreah Vihear on the World Heritage List, and has since developed its proposal without Thailand's participation. Thailand last year protested against Cambodia's proposal at a World Heritage Committee meeting in New Zealand.
This resulted in a recommendation that the two neighbours work together on how to manage the site. Thailand is still waiting for Cambodia's response.
Preah Vihear is a cluster of ancient Khmer temples that sit atop a cliff in a border area claimed by both Thailand and Cambodia.
The International Court of Justice in 1962 ruled that Cambodia has sovereignty over the temple ruins and parts of their surroundings.
Associate Professor Surachart Bamrungsuk, a military strategy expert at Chulalongkorn University's political science faculty, said at the seminar that the site proposed by Cambodia also covers a disputed common border area.
Therefore, until the dispute could be settled, the area should be jointly managed by the two neighbours so they could feel at ease with one another in dealing with the issue.
It is virtually impossible now to delay Cambodia's world heritage site application, and therefore working together would be the best way out, he said.
Under the joint management concept, both Thailand and Cambodia would benefit, said Assoc Prof Surachart.
The area could be developed into the region's new tourism magnet, he added.
It is unlikely that world heritage status for Preah Vihear would rule out Thailand's claim of sovereignty over the disputed area since it has nothing to do with border demarcation, he said.
''Demarcation problems in this region are a legacy of colonisation in the past, and obviously they are not easy to fix. However, we may find a way out of this if we just look beyond the border and look for an opportunity during a crisis,'' the academic said.
In 2001 Cambodia officially asked the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation to put Phreah Vihear on the World Heritage List, and has since developed its proposal without Thailand's participation. Thailand last year protested against Cambodia's proposal at a World Heritage Committee meeting in New Zealand.
This resulted in a recommendation that the two neighbours work together on how to manage the site. Thailand is still waiting for Cambodia's response.
Preah Vihear is a cluster of ancient Khmer temples that sit atop a cliff in a border area claimed by both Thailand and Cambodia.
The International Court of Justice in 1962 ruled that Cambodia has sovereignty over the temple ruins and parts of their surroundings.
39 comments:
Oh well! This is the same old and same old Thaicong theory aiming to have a piece of Cambodian cultural heritage and the Thaicong knew from the past experience that they can't have it according to international law! Why do the Thaicong continue to ask the same something and they know they can't have it and the Thaicong better stop asking the impossible!
The goal of the Thaicong is to keep floating the same issue and the same Thaicong theory in hoping the international community will take them seriously!
If the fucken Thaicong dare to put their hand on Phrea Vihear Temple and it will be war in all front! Fuck their diplomatic relation, fuck their economic investment, and fuck all the Thaicong!
Thai is testing Cambodian leader again. Thai is nothing to lose by saying this. If Cambodian government is weak then joins with Thai to manage its own property (tempe) because of being afraid both military and economic.
It is time that Cambodia doesn't have to live in the shadow of the Thaicong and the Vietcong influent any longer and there is big world out here!
Cambodian leaders need to think beyond the Thaicong and the Vietcong for their own existence otherwise Cambodia will be in big trouble!
The Thaicong want a piece of tourism dollars. Ahahhahhahahah
In the 21st century the Thaicong want to pimp Cambodia to make money for them! Ahhahhah
Fucking Thai. Thai is shit! I wish the Cambodian government opposes this very strongly. Thai didn't learn about the riot to its embassy in Phnom Penh some years ago. Come on Thai, you should learn that experience. I'm afraid you will suffer again.
I think that's a good idea for the Cambodian people to share this temple with our Thai people; after all, it was and is always belongs to Thailand (but we're willing to share with Cambodia). I also think that Cambodia should take the offer to avoid future military action, or perhaps imposition of economic sanctions.
oh my goodness.. why should Cambodians share for? thai people are lame.. they like to make profit from other people's history. This just reflects that they have no talent whatsoever.. they dont need the Preah Vihear... they've already got all the prostitutes and transexuals to attract tourists there. And to the asshole above me, go and read history books cos you've got too much time on your hands... what you've said made you look really unintelligent..oh, but i shouldn't be surprised cos all thai people are stupid.
Yep! we love to give people pleasures! Why do you think that Thais have more mixed racial? We just tell our women to open and conquer by assimilation! We are Thais.
We were thieves, and we'll never going to stop.
Just to be fair, it is my belief that Thai is much more attractive than Khmer (everyone knows it).
To 1:41PM
Oh really? How do you define beauty? I had been to the heart of Bangcock and I didn't see anything more attractive than my four legs animal!
By way, the cosmetic procedure or plastic surgery is very popular in Thailane and please don't be fool by those fake beauty if you know what I mean! It seems that the only so called beautiful Thaicong are those Thaicong movie stars because they have ton of money to fix their ugly face! Ahahhahahh
You have been watching too many Thaicong movies for you to generalize that the whole Thaicong population prettier than Khmer people! Ahhahahhahhah
thanks to the international court, the Preah Vihear was named to be Khmer's. Very unfortunate another temple, Prasat Ta Mean is gone physically.
Preah Vihear is not taken phicically but academically. Please read this book: Siribhadra, Smitthi, Elizabeth Moore, and Michael Freeman.
Palaces of the Gods: Khmer Art & Architecture in Thailand.
Bangkok, 1992.
It is said Khmer Architecture in Thailand but Preah Vihear is in the Book! what does it mean?
Wake up Khmer folks! It is our business and we have to mind our own business.
It's urgly and unprofessionals. Academic idiots, stop hiding your true intention to demonize Khmers. Please, enough is enough. It's 21th century, stop stirring unnecessary war !
The Preah Vihear Temple is inarguably our (Thai) cultural icon and our national treasure, and therefore we will do everything at our disposal (economic or military might)to ensure that Preah Vihear is handled to us.
Are Angkor Wat and Preah Vihear for sale? If they do, we'll buy them, or lease them for 2,000 years.
Let your prime minister know if he's interested in selling or leasing these temples.
Thank you very much.
for you 5:39. I think you should ask your stupid king to come to knee down in front off Khmer people' feet fisrt before Khmer people decide to sale to your fucking king and your thais animal.
But ANGKOR WAT and PREAH VIHEAR never sale to your animal.....
"Chulalongkorn University's political science faculty"
This university has really a fucking name and has only stupids students.
Sorry Hun Xen already sold them to yuon.
I think Cambodia should take the offer from 5:39 PM.
The Vietnamese will have these temples anyway ... so, why not sell them to Thailand.
I don't know how many more times do we have to let uneducated Thai know that Preah Vihear is belong to Cambodia. This is the same old stupid claims. Why don't they share with us with the provinces such as Surin, Nokorrach, Borirum, Chanthaburi, Trat, Sakeo etc. These are the provinces belong to us. Don't worry my fellow Khmers. the Hague already given this treasure to us. Thai is so stupid to us and to the world.
If we let this sharing happens it will hurt us and we really have disadvantages over our Temple. You know, this stupid Thai which claims themself to be more advance and civilize than us now they seem to be more desperate to claim stuffs which that are not even belong to them. GET LOST ROBBER! We will ask you to share your wife with every Cambodian men if you want it that way. Khmer always win!
Win what?we're losing everythings to ah-youn,or ah-siames.we can't fight two enemies at the same time.and khmer people are fighting with khmer gorvenment too.this is like dog trying to bite his own tail around and around here."ANANIKUM AMERICA RULES!"
5:39, how about I give you a counter offer by leasing your Phr Nakhon Si Ayutthaya. And oh, I'll like to lease your father, mother, wife and kids if any, say...99 year will do and I promise to return them in their original condition :)
There is a saying in Khmer proverb: Bankcock demolished, Phnom Penh vanished, Battambang scattered hail to Angkor Wat. When that time comes we'll take back Muang Boran, Phimai, Sai Ngam & Phanom Rung temples. Thanks for doing such a good job in restoring and taking care of them for us all this time.
I, Jayavarman 7 will take what is rightfully mine. Those who are my subjects shall remain as such and shall be trembled under my feet.
Siamese are sea thieves used to travel by ships...they have no land to call home. We offered them hospitalilty and they took our lands and temples. Now they want even more. They are sick bastard and back stabber. It's time to send them packing...off they go.
1) ANGKOR WAT given $1.4 billions to KHMER PEOPLE last year (2007) and she will give more jobs and again billions dollar more this year (2008) to KHMER PEOPLE .
2) PREAH VIHEAR is always belongings to KHMER after the court 1962 in Hague. Soon KHMER PEOPLE will millions dollar from PREAH VIHEAR after the road finish to the TEMPLE side up to mountain. KHMER PEOPLE know how to make money from our treasure. No share thais boys.
3) I think Mr. Hor Nam Hong called thais's military spokenman is stupid man last month, so KHMER are not afraid these jungle monkeys animals thais. What is military might? and what is economic santion? why don't you thais go ahead or you just want to bark like a dog. Now the 21th century, the world have law and UN. Go to sleep and stop dreaming PREAH VIHEAR she is never belong you.
Let the Thaicong come and take over Preah Vihear and we welcome these Thaicong with bombs, bullets, and rockets...
If the Thaicong want to see their economic condition in shamble and their living condition back to the Stone Age like the Vietcong in 1980 and they are welcome! I have to wonder can the Thaicong afford to spend one million dollar a day just to maintain their troop in Cambodia.
The Thaicong think that they are so rich and so powerful and maybe it is time for them to prove that to the world!
It is funny to learn that the Thaicong can't even put out a small war in their own backyard and they want to start another one with Cambodia? Ahahhahhahhahha
Nobody is stop the Thaicong from coming or invading Cambodia and let them Thiacong come because they haven't taste the real war for a long time!
Since the Thaicong is an ally of Uncle Sam and they should be helping Uncle Sam in fighting the war in Iraq but the fact is these Thaicong refused to go to Iraq and they are betraying Uncle Sam as an ally! I am talking about a Thaicong pussycat! Ahhahahhahha
"Just to be fair, it is my belief that Thai is much more attractive than Khmer (everyone knows it)".
You need to stop watching those stupid Thai movies. You're living in a deram world. Wake up and make yourself useful and do something productive. Have you ever gone to Bankok and see the real thing in person ? Have you ever wake up with one of your so called attractive Thai women? Next time think twice before making this kind of stupid comments. Khmer women have true beauty inside and out. Srey Thai dob min do srey khmer mouy te. Go get a life.
Why is Thailand trying to meddling with Cambodia and the UNESCO about Preah Vihear? The UNESCO will decide on its own term and Cambodia will do what it thinks is best for its own interest.
Cambodian government should not make any stance to Thailand before the UNESCO decides to whether Preah Vihear deserves to be registered as the World Heritage.
The Thai will never learn. They sound very desperate like they may have everything to lose here.
Thai is testing the water. This is the strategy that they've been using throughout their history. They are teaching their younger generation to have no shame in taking what that's not belong to them while khmer are teaching their children morality.
On June 15, 1962, the court ruled 9 to 3 that the temple belonged to Cambodia and, by a vote of 7 to 5, that Thailand must return any antiquities such as sculpture that it had removed from the temple. In its decision, the court noted that over the five decades after the map was devised, the Siamese/Thai authorities did not object in various international forums to the map’s depiction of the temple’s location. Nor did they object when a French colonial official received the Siamese scholar and government figure Prince Damrong at the temple in 1930. Thailand had accepted and benefited from other parts of the border treaty, the court ruled. With these and other acts, it said, Thailand had accepted the map and therefore Cambodia was the owner of the temple. The court declined to take up the question of whether the border as shown in the 1907 map corresponded to the watershed line.
Thai should show us by setting an example by first sharing the ruined Ayutthay with Khmer since it has been declared as UNESCO world heritage site. Once they shared it with Khmer, then we Khmer might cosider sharing prasat preah vihear. I double dear their govenment and their king to show us this example so we can learn the true meaning of sharing. Peace.
Yeah, we should ask Thai to share with us Bangkok. Because this is one of our old city too. Ayuthaya ans Sokothey should be shared with Khmer as well.
i read this article already somewhere else. anyway, i try to analyze its contents; and it sounds like the thai just want a joint management of the surrounding, common border areas (meaning khmer on khmer side of the border, thai and their side of the border because it is the border area only) and not the preah vihear temple itself, if i'm correct. so, i don't think it is such a big problem if it just the joint venture to develop the common border area. having said that, khmer, please watch carefully to see if the thai change this speech to something else like a joint venture on cambodia's preah vihear temple itself, then this is the problem. so, as long as they recognize that cambodia's preah vihear temple, again, let me emphasize the temple itself, is non-negotiable, but the development of the common border should be no problem, to my understanding. so just watch the way the thai communicate to us which i think could be very misleading. make sure they (thais) leave the cambodian temple out of it as there is no joint management of the temple itself, but only the surrounding areas on both sides of the border, respectively. i thought i'd like to point this out to everybody who reads this.
Direct mailitary threat is unambiguously a provocation to the peace and security in the region. A bilateral comprehensive solution through diplomatic channel is imperative and appropriate for both countries' interests and security.
Direct continuous military threats over the precious Preah Vihear is considered exteme and violent.
Thailand needs to suspend and eradicate its military threat once for all or you will be considered as terrorists in destablizing Cambodia's security and the relationships between countries.
LESSON 1
Thai's original homeland was located in Southern China's Yunnan province...they were pushed south by the Mongols in the thirteenth century.
Thais assimilated with Khmer and created Siam. This explains why 40% percent of Khmer words can be found in the Thai language. The only two countries that use the same numeral symbols are Cambodia and Thailand. Thai alphabets use lower case Khmer letters. The vowels are nearly identical. The religion, custom, food, etc. are so similar. I think we are one family.
((Rao pen kon Thai tong kowrop pee khong rao...nun keu kon Khamen...rao pen chao buddh meun gun...laew rao tong mee khwam metta theung pee khong rao))
Translation: We Thais should respect our big brothers...they are Khmers...we are all buddhists...and we must have compassion toward our brothers.
((Rao riak phra maha kasatr khong rao wah Phrah Bat Somdet Phra Chao Phumiphon Adunlyadet...pee khong rao riak phra maha kasatr khong khao wah Phra Karuna Phra Bat Samdech Phra Baromnat Narodom Sihamuni))
Translation: We call our Majesty His Royal Highness King Bhumibol Adulyadej...our Khmer brothers call their Majesty as His Royal Highness King Norodom Sihamoni.
Let's make peace and learn from each other!
i told you all before. i would prefer reconciliation for both people. i totally agree with the above posting (11:56 am). thai and khmer are strikingly very very similar in many many and most ways. awkun nes.
maybe one day soon, we can reunite in a good way to become one big country peacefully with respect for both people side by side. thailand and cambodia are the only two countries on the planet that are almost identical twins to each other in many aspects. i mean, both are like they were bornt from the same parents or somthing.
I am done with the fucken Thaicong and all their fucken anti-Khmer policy and any of you stupid Cambodian people who want go join with the Thaicong and please don't forget to call your mother and father, grand ma and grand pa, brothers and sisters, friends and relatives, and don't forget to dig up the bones of your great great grand parent and take them with you too to go join with the Thaicong the killer of Khmer people!
I am done with the Thaicong after I had witnessed what happen to Khmer people before 1975 which they contribute to Cambodia instability by corrupting AH LON NOL government to destroy Cambodian economy, and of course after the Vietcong invasion of Cambodia in 1979 and the Thaicong killed a lot of Cambodian refugees too! From now on the Thaicong can’t be allowed to take advantage or profit from any drop of Khmer blood!
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