02/03/2008
VNA (Hanoi)
VietNamNet Bridge - Vietnam and Cambodia have affirmed their determination to speed up the land border demarcation and landmark planting to finish the work by 2012.
The two sides expressed their determination at a meeting of the Joint Committee on Land Border Demarcation and Landmark Planting which took place in Phnom Penh from February 29 to March 1.
The two sides agreed to identify all remaining positions on the map and build border landmarks at all major positions, considering these to be their key tasks in 2008.
The Vietnamese delegation to the meeting was led by Vu Dung, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, head of the National Border Committee and Chairman of the Vietnam-Cambodia Joint Border Commission.
The Cambodian delegation was headed by Var Kim Hong, senior minister in charge of border affairs and Chairman of the Cambodia-Vietnam Joint Border Commission.
On February 29, Deputy Minister Vu Dung and his entourage were received by Cambodian Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation Hor Nam Hong.
The two sides expressed their determination at a meeting of the Joint Committee on Land Border Demarcation and Landmark Planting which took place in Phnom Penh from February 29 to March 1.
The two sides agreed to identify all remaining positions on the map and build border landmarks at all major positions, considering these to be their key tasks in 2008.
The Vietnamese delegation to the meeting was led by Vu Dung, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, head of the National Border Committee and Chairman of the Vietnam-Cambodia Joint Border Commission.
The Cambodian delegation was headed by Var Kim Hong, senior minister in charge of border affairs and Chairman of the Cambodia-Vietnam Joint Border Commission.
On February 29, Deputy Minister Vu Dung and his entourage were received by Cambodian Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation Hor Nam Hong.
29 comments:
What important here is to try, and if you can't do it, you can't do it; a few more years makes know difference; the world is not going to end tomorrow.
Forever as long as the Viet leaders still oppress 10 million Khmer Kampuchea Krom and the psychological of the Khmer people will be destroyed and the Khmer inferior complex will hang over Khmer people head forever because the Khmer Kampuchea Krom issue will always lingering and reminding to all Khmer people as a whole that their race is something to be subjugated and to be oppressed by the Viet! And the Viet will always continue to look down on the Khmer race and see themselves as the victor, the aggressor, and the oppressor and their role is legitimate by the law of nature that is to eliminate the Khmer race from the face of the Earth!
The Khmer border issue is intertwined with Khmer Krom people issue without a doubt and the two can't be separated from each other! I don't know how any Khmer leaders and Khmer people can choose to deal with the Viet leaders and pretend not to know that there are 10 million of their kind living next door to them still oppress by the Viet government!
It is very hard to imagine that some Cambodian leaders can choose to deal with the Vietcong without taking their Khmer inferior complex into consideration as if something didn't happen between the Khmer and the Viet! But something did happen between the Khmer and the Viet and the Viet still oppress over 10 million Khmer Krom people in Southern Vietname! For any Khmer leaders or people to give in to the Viet oppressor’s demand and the Viet leaders will continue to make more demands on the Khmer leaders because the Viet will always see the Khmer race as something to take advantage of and exploit and something to be subjugated and to be oppressed and to be wipe out from the face of the Earth!
Khmer people have only two choices in solving the border issue with the Viet leaders! One choice to verify the Cambodian boundary by enforcing the Paris Agreement! The second choices are to help the Khmer Krom people struggle for independent nation and it would be much easier to deal with the border issue because now Khmer can deal with Khmer or choose to become one or whatever like the West Germany and the East Germany reunification!
The Vietcong government is exploiting the Khmer inferior complex big time by pushing the Khmer leaders to accept all kind of agreements and treaties such as border treaties and economic agreement because the Vietcong leader felt that the Khmer leaders belong to a group of people who are weak and oppressed and the Khmer leaders are nothing more than little children which need constant supervision and to be led to do anything! So far the Viet leaders have been very successful in dealing with the Khmer leaders and if you have any doubt in what I am saying just take a close look of the current Cambodia government which was installed by the Vietcong government as a puppet government since 1979!
Please don’t tell me you don’t know what a puppet government is!
Yeah, we know everyone is someone puppet, and that included you.
Anyhow, we shouldn't continued to argue nonsense here. We should try to make the remaining time that we'll have together memorable and as happy as we possibly can, then let go the robe once for all when the demarcation is done by 2012. It is not healthy to continue to dream that Vietnam belong to Cambodia when they hadn't paid a single cent of tax for over 2 centuries to Cambodia, not to mention they don't observed Cambodia rule of law since... . How can we defend a country with no revenue from it. We can't even buy toothpick to attack the enemy with zero cent... It is just impractical and plain stupid.
We all have heard several times that the border demarcation will be finished in 2008.
But this news is truly from only one part of VN to falsify that they have agreement to extent it till 2012. But in reality, all mechanics are guided by VN solely.
This border demarcation is likely just VN and their puppet to use it as the pretext to maintain their "status quo" in achieving Indochina Federation.
KY
Yeah, and we all heard the Iraq war supposed to be over years ago.
Fact of the matter is most project delayed due to various and unexpected problem. This is because it is very hard to take everything into consideration and to predict what going on in the future. For instance, if the weather in the area make it impossible for them to work on the project, the delay will continue to shift further down the line, and there is nothing anyone can do about that. However, the demarcation must be done at all cost because it is a lot more reliable than map. Strangely, and I don't really know why map don't work for 90% of the countries who currently have border dispute. It must be corruption. I think they want us to persistently feeding the international court and hope for some result that will never going to come, and we are not in any position for that.
To 3:02AM
Only a fool like you would think it is impossible!
How do you explain the whole break of the former Yugoslavia and East Timor and now Kosovo!
You can claim all your want fool but the fact the French signed off the Khmer Kampuchea Krom to the Viet in 1949 which mean Khmer Kampuchea Krom was always part of Cambodia up to 1949 and anything after 1949 the Khmer Kampuchea Krom is under the Vietcong occupation ever since!
To eliminate the Khmer inferior complex and the issue of Khmer Kampuchea Krom must be solved and Khmer Krom people must be free from the Vietcong oppression!
The Vietcong can't continue to pretend and to ignore the cry for freedom of the Khmer Krom people!
Delaying from 2008 to 2012 is 10 years. So what is the significant point of this delay?
Are they truly solving the border demarcation, or the hidden agenda is not that?
All genuine Khmer citizens have to ask this question in our head several times.
In reality, the map that will be fit in VN's eyes, and the demarcation will be finished when they can totally control the whole land of Cambodia. Ho Chi Minh's dream has been gradually become true.
Justification of economic development, friendship corporation, and this border demarcation etc are just the pretexts to maintain "status quo" to transform Cambodia as part of Indochina Federation.
Use your brain!
KY
2008 to 2012 is 10 years? I bet your lean your math from Planet of the Ape, right?
It is easy after 4 years, VN will have other reason to say to keep their "status quo" for another more 6 years.
It is so easy because the border-poles and procedure is paid and taking responsible by VN.
No kidding!
KY
Well sure, the time frame is just an estimate. No one can guarantee anything. The VN administration may decided to cut some of the work budget and slow everything down to 6 years, who know, and there is nothing illegal about it.
But for me, however, I am still hoping they will try to meet the 2008 or close to that schedule as they possibly can because, that way, we can start to develop trading zone along the border for the local. What more can I say?
4:13, first, the French did not toke KK away from Cambodia when they ruled. Had they done that, they will returned to Cambodia when they left, but that wasn't the case. The French toke KK from VN who ruled KK territory at that time, and that is why they returned to VN, and I don't see how anyone can see anything wrong in that.
Secondly, the Vietcong have won all south vietnam land by war, and as the winner, they own the land. How can anyone see anything wrong with that. Do you think the Vietcong wasted million of their soldiers for the fun of it or something?
8:54AM
Yes I know how happy you are when VN can maintain its "status quo" on influencing, controlling, expanding, and surviving their installed government.
KY
VN cannot survive with one party state administration for long. The reforming and decentralization will allow KK to proclaim independence like East Timor, Kosovo, and others....
If all of you only know how to talk but don't know how to joint with each other. Whatch out your land will be gone as viet's plan.
Think smart to help your land people.
Your good neighbore.
Independent KK will never happened without a full scale war and they raised the white flag. You must understand the reality here. If the Vietcong were to give away south Vietnam, what does that say to their dead soldier who had lost their live over it. No Vietcong leader will dare to give anything away.
On the other hand, you can achieve almost the same thing if you can gain their trust, and be just as educated as they are. That way, they will allowed you to be in their parliament as one of their MP, or Mayor of HCM, or governor ... . And that is the future direction that I will work toward. I would never thinking about taking the land back and cut all the yuon citizen throats who had lived there for century. No one on this planet will support that. Take my word for it.
To survive this encroachment from Vietnam, a strong leadership is needed. Hun Sen has no brain coz he is doing everything to suppress his own people to serve a Vietnamese interest. He is a traitor and treason. Future Khmer Historians will keep all of his performance records. He should have died the day he was born. Down Hun Sen and your CPP Pro Youn.
To 9:05AM
Your fucken Vietcong logics are full of flaws!
The fucken Vietcong won the war by aggression! So what!
The French took Khmer Kampuchea Krom from the Vietcong and give to the Vietcong by signing it off in 1949? So are you telling me the French also signed the North Vietname to the Vietcong too because North Vietname belong to the Vietcong! I don't get what the hell you are talking about!
The reason the French signed off the Khmer Kampuchea Krom to the Vietcong because Khmer Kampuchea Krom was never belong to the Vietcong in the first place and the French knew beforehand about the legal implication in the future that why the French signed it off instead of handing it over to the Vietcong!
Aggression? How do you think Ah Khmer-Yuon got their land from the Cham, huh? Furthemore, how do you think the Cham got their land from aboriginal?
As for North Vietnam, there is nothing to sign because their were ousted from there.
And for South Vietnam, yeah, Vietnam did ceased it to the French. That means the land belong to Vietnam then, not Cambodia. And the French must returned to who they toke it from. What is wrong with that?
VN believed that it might be having a change after the election. It would be wasted their time and money that's why they have to delay to wait and see.
Possible, but highly unlikely.
To 12:57PM
Fuck you Vietcong bitch! The Vietcong annihilate the Cham people already and now the Vietcong is controlling Khmer Kampuchea Krom!
It is so wrong for the French to sign the 1949 agreement to hand over the Khmer Kampuchea Krom to the Vietcong which didn't belong to them in the first place!
If the fucken Vietcong continue to insist on taking the ownership of the Khmer Krom people as their personal property and there won't be any peace because the Khmer Krom people is nobody personal property and they are human!
The struggle will continue...
Frustration and anger do not divulge factual details of the reality.
Snap out of it!
count backward one trillion to zero , an try to calm down, gorillas!
my khmer brothers and sisters, please show firm solidarity in our stance to mark our border with all our neighboring countries. it must be done to protect our precious khmer land once and for all into the future from encrouchment by our enemies. history showed cambodia did lose a lot of land to vietnam, thailand, and some degree, laos as well. so it is natural that cambodia have to be very alert and cautious about losing anymore land at this time and in the future. please stand up together as a force to be reckon with when dealing with the neighboring countries on our land issues. please continue to make a lot of loud noise not only to our gov't but to the world as well so everyone nation can be our witnesses. thank you your interest in protecting cambodia. god bless cambodia and our friends around the world!
please use the old maps, if we have to, for marking our borders. forget all the new treaties as they are taking advantage of cambodia's civil war and strife. we must stick and demand the use of the old maps for this task as old maps are fair enough and agreed by cambodia without duress or force treaties upon our dark history. i strongly advice a push for gov't to stand by the old maps of cambobia at which time cambodia was peaceful and agreed upon by all parties for this task. thank you.
please all khmer must study carefully on this border marking issue as we can not afford to lose anymore land to the youn thieves. please take more time to study before agree to it with vietnam or thailand or laos. although it is a good idea to mark our borderlines, we must also make sure that these neighboring countries don't continue to take advantage of cambodia like they did in the past. please study this issue and please be cautious not to lose anymore land to them. thank you.
There is nothing else to study you idiot. It's done years ago.
To 2:53AM
Don't worry Vietcong bitch! I will count out your mother first!
To 11:40AM
Do you think only the Vietcong soldiers died during the war?
Khmer Krom population suffered more death and destruction than the Vietcong soldiers because the fucken war was fought on Khmer Kampuchea Krom land!
I never give a fuck what the Vietcong leaders think about the sacrifice of the Vietcong soldiers and any Vietcong leaders and soldiers who dare to venture into Khmer land and they deserve to die!
The only good Vietcong is a death Vietcong and fuck all the Vietcong soldier sacrifice because the Vietcong never sacrifice anything for Khmer people anyway!
Take me words, the struggle will continue…
7:58, I am not trying to stop you from struggling, on the contrary, but there are two ways: 1) you can use bullets and ammunitions, or 2) you can used pens and pencils, and we will be behind you either way. Now, if you choose #1, we'll offered you free coffins, and if you choose #2, we offering you scholarships. That is all we can do.
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