Abbhisit VejjajivaAbhisit slams samak for conceding sovereignty
June 25, 2008
The Nation
PM urges country to come to terms with 1962 decision
Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej yesterday accused Democrat Party chief Abhisit Vejjajiva of fuelling tension between Thailand and Cambodia, even as the opposition leader accused the administration of compromising the country's sovereignty with its "active support" for Phnom Penh's bid to secure World Heritage status for Preah Vihear.
Abhisit said no Thai government had ever officially accepted the 1962 decision by the International Court of Justice (ICJ), and maintained that the country had the right to revive its claim to the 10th century Hindu temple if and when new evidence surfaces.
The Democrat Party leader said that with the exception of the Samak government, no Thai government had ever regarded the ICJ ruling as the determination of the national border between the two sides.
Abhisit showed Parliament a letter from the Thai Foreign Ministry to the Cambodian government, calling on Phnom Penh to reconsider its unilateral decision to apply to Unesco for World Heritage status.
The opposition leader also showed a joint communique revealing Samak's "active support" for Cambodia's bid for World Heritage status for the historic temple.
Former deputy foreign minister Sukhumband Paribatra said the joint communiqu้ signed by Foreign Minister Noppadon Pattama and Cambodia's Deputy Prime Minister Sok An could be deemed an international treaty, which required a Parliament reading in accordance with article 190 of the Constitution.
"Of course, the interpretation is debatable but as long as it is unclear, why don't we put it through the Parliament first? Why does the government make it in secret and in a hurry?" he asked.
Samak dodged the accusation that he has effectively forfeited the country's right to raise the Preah Vihear case with the ICJ. He argued that Thailand had lost the case in 1962 and urged the country to come to terms with the decision.
He accused Abhisit of adding to the tension between the two countries and said Thai nationals in Cambodia are having sleepless nights. Samak said the Cambodian government has the right to propose the main temple - which the ICJ had ruled to be situated inside Cambodian territory - to Unesco for consideration as a World Heritage site.
Abhisit contended that no Unesco committee would approve such a request, as it would unnecessarily split up the ancient temple into two zones.
Last year, Thailand protested against Unesco Cambodia's unilateral move to have the entire temple, which includes 4.6 square kilometres of overlapping claims, to become a World Heritage site.
The then government of Surayud Chulanont made the sticky topic of national borders a non-issue and suggested that Thailand and Cambodia file a joint application to Unesco.
Cambodia rejected the proposal and resubmitted its bid again this year.
Abhisit said it was a big mistake on the part of the Samak government to stray from the positions of previous governments that called for the two countries to put in a joint application.
He also criticised Noppadon for misleading the public by proclaiming himself a hero, reportedly for succeeding in getting Cambodia to delete the 4.6-square-kilometre disputed area from its map submitted to Unesco.
"I never thought that a former lawyer of Thaksin Shinawatra would ever become a lawyer for Cambodia," Abhisit said, in reference to Noppadon, who had represented Thaksin while the ousted premier lived in exile following the September 2006 coup.
Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej yesterday accused Democrat Party chief Abhisit Vejjajiva of fuelling tension between Thailand and Cambodia, even as the opposition leader accused the administration of compromising the country's sovereignty with its "active support" for Phnom Penh's bid to secure World Heritage status for Preah Vihear.
Abhisit said no Thai government had ever officially accepted the 1962 decision by the International Court of Justice (ICJ), and maintained that the country had the right to revive its claim to the 10th century Hindu temple if and when new evidence surfaces.
The Democrat Party leader said that with the exception of the Samak government, no Thai government had ever regarded the ICJ ruling as the determination of the national border between the two sides.
Abhisit showed Parliament a letter from the Thai Foreign Ministry to the Cambodian government, calling on Phnom Penh to reconsider its unilateral decision to apply to Unesco for World Heritage status.
The opposition leader also showed a joint communique revealing Samak's "active support" for Cambodia's bid for World Heritage status for the historic temple.
Former deputy foreign minister Sukhumband Paribatra said the joint communiqu้ signed by Foreign Minister Noppadon Pattama and Cambodia's Deputy Prime Minister Sok An could be deemed an international treaty, which required a Parliament reading in accordance with article 190 of the Constitution.
"Of course, the interpretation is debatable but as long as it is unclear, why don't we put it through the Parliament first? Why does the government make it in secret and in a hurry?" he asked.
Samak dodged the accusation that he has effectively forfeited the country's right to raise the Preah Vihear case with the ICJ. He argued that Thailand had lost the case in 1962 and urged the country to come to terms with the decision.
He accused Abhisit of adding to the tension between the two countries and said Thai nationals in Cambodia are having sleepless nights. Samak said the Cambodian government has the right to propose the main temple - which the ICJ had ruled to be situated inside Cambodian territory - to Unesco for consideration as a World Heritage site.
Abhisit contended that no Unesco committee would approve such a request, as it would unnecessarily split up the ancient temple into two zones.
Last year, Thailand protested against Unesco Cambodia's unilateral move to have the entire temple, which includes 4.6 square kilometres of overlapping claims, to become a World Heritage site.
The then government of Surayud Chulanont made the sticky topic of national borders a non-issue and suggested that Thailand and Cambodia file a joint application to Unesco.
Cambodia rejected the proposal and resubmitted its bid again this year.
Abhisit said it was a big mistake on the part of the Samak government to stray from the positions of previous governments that called for the two countries to put in a joint application.
He also criticised Noppadon for misleading the public by proclaiming himself a hero, reportedly for succeeding in getting Cambodia to delete the 4.6-square-kilometre disputed area from its map submitted to Unesco.
"I never thought that a former lawyer of Thaksin Shinawatra would ever become a lawyer for Cambodia," Abhisit said, in reference to Noppadon, who had represented Thaksin while the ousted premier lived in exile following the September 2006 coup.
59 comments:
Well, if you Thai son of a gun government had never agreed with the International Court at the Hague, you son of a gun must have been outlaw living on planet Mars eh?
Listen up now Abhisit Vejjajiva - as far as I am concerned, you Thai was born a bandit, love to be a bandit and continue to be a bandit just as the Viet was born parasite, loves to be parasite and continues to be parasite! Is that clear Abhisit Vejjajiva?
1962 decision is not from Khmer and siam. It's from international court. Do not waste time just present those paper. Is'nt that simple?
1962 decision is not from Khmer and siam. It's from international court. Do not waste time just present those paper. Is'nt that simple?
I do not know what to say how stupid this guy is. It is a ICJ decision. Either you guy accpet or not.
This silly mongoloid Siem called Abhisit Vejjayjiva (What a pathetic name derived from Sanskrit words, ahahha)is one thick-faced land thief alive. I want to see Ah Abhisit individually claiming Preah Vihear during the Khmer Rouge regime. What a stupid mather f*cking stupid retarded Siem. Ah Abhisit really needs to find some native Siem words for his mongoloid feature and pathetic weak rows of teeth. Hahah.
Abhisit needs to be jail for being STUPID and trying to CLAIM the Cambodian territory which is internationally recognized. Abhisit really needs to go back to Nan Chao the shit hole of his mongoloid ancestors.
The Khmer really need to RECLAIM all of our ancestral territory from the land-grabbing Siem thieves.
Abhisit Vejjajiva is a clown. The 1962 decision was made by the International Court of Justice and is internationally recognized and is final. Guys like him are just idiots. For one thing Mr. Vejjajiva, you should be thanking us Cambodians for allowing you Thais to emulate, borrow and at times steal (taking our ideas and culture and claiming them as your own)our culture.
There is nothng to dispute between Cambodia and Thailand about Preh Vihear. Preh Vihear was an undisputable as Cambodian property. Only Hun Sen government who let this THai youngster to jump up and down for a property in which they cannot dream to claim as theirs. They have to understand of their national hood in which they have established within Cambodian land in 1238 when their ancerstors have ran from Nan Zhao to escape the onslaught of the Mongol warriors. THey have lived in Khmer Land and have taken Cambodian land as their without shame. If they declare their land as Khmer, Kampuchea and Khemarak Cheat etc.. then they can claim Preah Vihear.
SRP may want to have a quiet chay with their democrat friends about this.
By the way is the SRP position on this issue?
Kuoy Pichey
This guy is really stupid. I suggest you to study about history again. Especially you should learn more about your own history (Siam). To prevent any non-sense speaking, you should learn with Cambodian children because they know well about the Camboidan history much better than you. I dont want to say you are crazy, but some how, you are deeply crazy.
Preah Vihear temple was bulit in 10 century, Thai nation was established at around 12 century, thai language was created by Cambodia at 12 century. Therefore, how Siam people can build the temple like that???? This temple is really belong to Khmer!!!!!!
You meant to say Kuoy Pichet "ah lombol yor" Kuoy Pichey?
7:11AM. Citizen of Cambodia are not Khmers, they are Cambodians.
The Khmers may be this Royal family. Thai people before Thailand was created were also part of Khmer empire. Now that the empire disappeared, we the children new generation take responsible for what belong to our King who ruled over us, and that King was King Suryavarman II. He was born in the land of Thailand today not in Cambodia.
Preah Vihan is shared with both us Cambodian and Thailand.
We knew Khmer King, Loung Prabat Sihanuk won, but his people are not Khmers anymore, they don't know how to take care but to destroy, so Preah Vihan should be given to Thailand.
whatever, just ignore them thugs. i'm sure when unesco has to make their decision in july, they will look at all laws and legality ties to preah vihear. say whatever you want, ah siem mee siem ignorant people. after all, it is freedom of expression, but that doesn't mean you criminal types are right. so illegal! god bless cambodia.
whatever the outcome, cambodia still and will develop our preah vihear temple and vicinity. unesco has the authority to decide only about the listing, and whether they accept the listing or not, cambodia still develop our preah vihear some other way. this time perhaps build a brick wall to keep all siem criminals out of it permanently, and i would encourage the gov't cambodia to have a law to prohibit all siem from visiting our preah vihear; only khmers and other foreigners are allowed, but no siem whatsoever if we cannot list our preah vihear due to bias and unreasonable judgment despite factual evidence and court ruling already. so, i just hope unesco will honor and uphold law, whether the 1907 treaties or the court ruling of 1962, etc. law is law, ah siem mee siem can disagree all they want, but law will prevail. stand firm, cambodia. we wil prevail.
And 7:20 AM, that's the stupidest craps we ever heard. But coming from a Thai bandit like you, we are not surprised at all! lol!
Come and kiss Khmer's arse, will ya?
7:20am and his stupid idiot called abhisit, what planet are you people from? get with the program, will ya! don't you know that the terms khmer, cambodian, cambodian people, khmer people means the same. just because it is being used interchangeably doesn't mean they aren't the same thing. oh my god, how ignorant you really showed cambodia and the world and you called yourself the leader of the pad thugs? oh my, no wonder they are that way! and don't expect khmer people and the world community to think like you criminals because we won't, not in this life time or any other life time. never!!! god bless cambodia and all her beautiful khmer people.
Nop Cambodians are not Khmers.
Only the royal family of Loung Prabat Sihanuk and Loung Prabat Sihamini can link back as Khmers. Your guys are Cambodians only not Khmers.
Real Khmer people are in Thailand.
Bull shit 8:01 AM! I bet you don't even know how to sratch your arse. I have a 2 by 4 here..let's me show you how..lol!
8:01 you confess that you stole Khmer Lands...everybody knows that...
Hey idiot 8:01AM,
This is the last warning to such a person like you. Stop adding any uneducated comments here.
Thais are Siams and Cambodians are Khmers.
Khmer Students Association in USA
Yes, don't accept any infidels verdict from kangaroo court. This is a Khmer's affair only, not westerner.
AH Abhisit Vejjajiva said that the Phrea Vihear case is a knock out punch for Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej to resign from power!
Well! This is what I can say to AH Abhisit Vejjajiva and I hope he become the Prime Minister of Thailame in the future but don't you dare set foot in Cambodia mother fucker!
If you have ill will for Cambodia and her people and Cambodia and her people will have ill will for you too!
AH Abhisit Vejjajiva will be the last man on Earth to set on Cambodian soil!
Abhishit and those uneducated Siams find a good Thai-English interpreter and go to this site:
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?p1=3&p2=3&k=46&case=45&code=ct&p3=4
8:01 You are funny man. ILMAO. Good joke. You should be on Jay Leno. Thanks for the laugh.
Well if the Thai or this stupid guy Abhisit Vejjajiva said Thai have the rights to revive the claim. We, Cambodia have the rights to claim all provinces from Thailand too!!What a joke this guy is.
The Siams are completely out of their mind. What the fuck are they talking about the real Khmer is in Siamland, so the real Siams are from female dogs.
This Abhishit Vajjina came out of no where saying that the International Court decision is no good.
Hey Vajjina why don't you go to Europe and tell them what you think of the Court decision.
This is more than confusion the whole country is going crazy.
DEAR ALL!!!
08:01 is right. The real khmer are in Thailand. Remember that during one of thai inasion in Siem Reap, they deported all the apsara dancers and artisans to Bangkok.
NOW THEY ARE THE ONLY ONE TO MAKE DEMONSTRATION TO CLAIM THE TEMPLE IN BANGKOK AND AROUND PREAH VIHEAR.
They know the value of KHMER HERITAGE. The people and the yuon government in Phnom Penh does not give a shit about it. THE CAMBODIANS PEOPLE ALSO, otherwise, why lose time to bla bla bla here? Move your ass and make a demonstration proviong that you are proud of being khmer and that preah vihear belong to you!!!!
I DOUBT SO, PHNOM PENH IS FULL OF YUON PIMP EVEN INSIDE THE GOVERNMENT SO 08:01 IS RIGHT TO SAY THAT THE REAL KHMERS ARE IN THAILAND!!!! His only mistake is to say that our kings are real khmer. Sorry for you 08:01, but they are also YUONS!!!!!
Khmers in Cambodia and Khmer in Thailand shall reunite to kick all the asses of these dogs out from Cambodia....
Abbhisit Vejjajiva is a yellow shit in a toilet. Luv to put six bullets through (its) skull and shit on it.
10:14AM are you AbhiSHIT?
Nop I didn't make mistake. Loung Prabat Sihanouk lineage can be traced back to the old century. Yes everyone mixed, but the royal family still can be traced to the past. You all are not Khmers because you cannot trace back at least one ancestor.
The real Khmers are in Thailand and Loung Prabat Suryavarman born in Thailand, thus Preah Vihan belongs to us in Thais.
You are all Cambodians and many are loosely people. Most of you are barbarians no culture. We Thais keep our culture and we preserve our ancestor treasures.
10:14AM real soon you be calling out angels and hanuman from the sky to annihilate Cambodian people.
Are you sure that you and your friends have been taking your mental illness pills regularly???
I don't want to read that Mickey mouse and Goofy will invade Cambodia in the next comment.
AbhiSHIT Cambodians are Khmers, Thais are Siams and Siams were Khmer's Slaves.
Khmer Students Association in UK
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សារជាតិស្មោកគ្រោក នៅតែមិនកែប្រែ...
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Khmer Students Association in Australia
NO Cambodians are not Khmers.
Loung Prabat Suryvarman born in Siam not in Cambodia.
We T'ais are from the real Khmers.
Get your mind off from dirty mud and see the real picture.
No the Siam are Snow White offspring, before the she met the prince, she went to bed with the 7 dwarfs. From there the Thai nation came.
Thai historians.
Cambodia is a colonized yuon land: look at the people inside your government. and the lobbyist: HOK Lundy, Sok Kong. Look at most of the police generals and military, they are all yuon, chinese or taiwanese. Look to all these gangs and prostitutes, they all all yuon youths!
We thais are real khmer and to save our khmer heritage from the destroy of the Phnom Penh Government Viet pimps!!!
You chose to elect a yuon control leaders, you are yuons!!!! We thais are here to protect our real khmer brothers and heritage
Of course Cambodians are not Khmer, the are Klingon.
And I am Spock.
Hahaha...!!!
Hey 10:55AM you just an impostor I am the real Spock.
Hey thai idiots, you should learn or do more research on your own history. Don't try to mix your blood that is full of disease with khmer people. If you are thieves who stole Cambodia's land, please admit now. The international court will forgive you.
To be correct. Cambodia and Vietnam both are vassals of China.
I might have seen this young man selling coconut juice in PATHAYA BEACH befor the thsumamy hit, If you were Just goes back dear, Your charactor is fit to it or auction sell.
May got bless Khmer all, Down to Siamese!
And Siamland is Cambodia's vassal.
Pour etre correct les Siams sont un peuple sans histoire.
I had been to Thailand many times and base on my observation and I see only Chinese people in Bangkok. I have to wonder why.
The so called Thai people in modern day and the Chinese who transplant themselves into Thai people which is the same way the Chinese people in Malaysia transplant themselves into Singaporean.
The real Thai people are farmer, bus boy and waiter, taxi driver, soldier and worker and the poor.
The whole Thailand even celebrate Chinese new years. As far as I am concerned the Chinese control everything in Thailand! The real Thai jump whenever the Chinese transplant leaders have something to say! Well, Jump some more because one day the real Thai people will evolve into a monkey and live in a cage.
ahah Real Khmer are in Thailand Hahha. Ah Siem Kuk, down and curses to all of you Siem. Yes, it is true that there are still Khmer people in Thailand but they are not the masters of the country like they used to be, Ah Siem Kapik. Hhahah. I think all Ah siems are twisted. And I have proof for this. Remember ah Siem children were taught that there is no such thing as the Khmer people but there were Khom instead. Hhahah. Then later Ah Siems found a stone tablet written by a Khmer king and there is a usage of the word "KHMER" iself which actually predated the Siem word "Khom" ahahah. So this shows you guys that the Khmer still live and you Ah siems are just low piece of dirt that really need to go back to your ancetral land of Nan Chao Ah Siemmmmmmmmmmmmmms
Preah Vihear belongs to Khmer in Cambodia. The rest of you impersonators from Thailand can go to hell!MF! F.Off!
Stupid Thai
Abhisit V, i thought you were an honest, new generation thai politician - i'm appalled you used the Preah Vihear issue for your own political point scoring at home.
Abhisit, Ai dek kere, ke ya ma yeip din khmen ded khad. rak wang chea chea
Abhisit, don't you think Thailand has already had enough problems to solve and enemies to fight with?
Think again, Abhisit: Myanmar is not your friend, is it?
Is Malaysia is not your good friend, even the Thai in the South they don't want to be Thai, because Thailand is a thief country. Abhisit! Prasat Preah Vihear is ours, it is not moo Ban Rum Klao in Lao. Cham Wai Nah Ai stupit Abhisit.
Thailand´s Govt are not stupid. why? because they serve and work for their nation, heir people and their interrest.Why they just claim this temple in this time? because 30 000 KM2 on our Cambodian sea they win from Cambodia last year 2007 and now they try to win this temple again. Why they do like this, because the VN take a lot of territory from Cambodia by CPP, why Thailand not? Because this is a best time fro them. Of cause Thailand respect the in international law but when the VN break the law why Thailand must obay this law. The stupid Govt is not Thailand, but the Cambodia (incompetence for their nation) because they serve not their people, nation and their interest.
poor farmer
Dear patriots,
It sounds that thai want to bring the war along with cambodia by claiming the ownership on PreaVihear. Please prepare for that war and bring them to International Court again. Abhisit is one of son of bandit..
Mr. Amok Abhisit, come and kiss my ass if you want to claim about this temple.
Cambodian,
Abhisit = "Ai pisit" mun yhag pen nayok tan khun Samak. "Ai derachhan" kon nee tong jam kook talod cheevit. Mai nah ja pen poo nam khong prathet Thai loei.
Abhisit is correct. The Kangaroo court were heavily biased by the French for Cambodia, thus it was a mistrial.
8:01, you are right. Many Khmer people living in Thailand are the people of the Khmer Empire. They are still able speaking our langauge, the Khmer like the Khmer in the land of the Kingdom of Cambodia. You...bullshit siameses have not only stollen our territory but also cultures...you could not stole the Angkor Wat...you make the symbole of Angkor Wat in your dirty palace is totaly difference....siameses are the real bandits who were chased-out from China..... don't try to be like us....you can't make it.
I urge all Khmer people living in Thailand and the Kingdom of Cambodia be united and claim all our territory from Siameses...
The people of Siameses must be chased out from the Khmer Land...you bullshit must go back to your tribal hill in China.
Reaj
Gentleman
Khmers have never been related to Siams, way back in the past. The international court decision was ruled in 1962, Thailand has had plenty of time to appeal against decision if Thailand did not accept the court judgement.
Is mr Abhisit has any logical and legal concept of seeking the TRUTH ??? And how can you claim that you are KHMER in Thailand???.
He must be really psychologically disturbed. Is he really an MP???.
Neang SA
GENTS/LADIES:
I don't want to say Thais, because there are the people of Khmer were forced by the Siameses to hold the citizenship as Thais otherwise they cannot live in their own montherland of the the Khmer Empire....
The land of the Khmer Empire bordered with Burmese at the West, South to Java (Indonesia) North to China and East to China Sea....
The bullshit Siameses, currently so called Thais were not existed in the territory of the Kmher Empir, which is now called the Kingdom of Cambodia.
The Thais or Siameses must go back to your tribal hill in China.
Reaj
I thought Thai are smart!! never thought they were so greedy and stupid.
We can obviously see through the Thai citizens behavior that they are a unlimited greedy damn things in the world. From the past history until now, they want not only Preah Vihea temple, but also Angkor Wat temple that was built before the Siam had captured and created the state in 16 century. They have no evident to show the world that those heritages in Cambodia belong to them that why they has the only way to prove is the arm force and war. I am one of the Cambodia citizens want to tell all greed Siam that "Please Read and Understand More about The History Before Doing Such a Stupid Thing". However, there is only one way for all Thai citizens that can obtain the right owning all heritages in Cambodia. The history showing that Angkor Wat and many other temples were built by Cambodia kings and their people, and on June 15, 1962, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) had made a judgment on the merits the Court, by nine votes to three, found that the Temple of Preah Vihear was situated in territory under the sovereignty of Cambodia and, in consequence, that Thailand was under an obligation to withdraw any military or police forces, or other guards or keepers, stationed by her at the Temple, or in its vicinity on Cambodian territory. The Cabinet of the time made a resolution and announced that Thailand, as a member of the United Nations, accepted the ICJ ruling. As a Khmer citizen, I am very proud to say, for example, Preah Vihea temple is mine, so we have the legitimate right to own these heritages. If Thai people want to do like us, they should dissolve their country, their culture, and other Thai identity. Then intergrade the Thai territory with Cambodia, so there is no more Thia country in the world map. Next, fulfill all condition that stated in Cambodia Constitution in order to get the Khmer citizenship. As the result, all Thai citizens will become Khmer citizens, and they automatically have right to own all heritages in Cambodia as local Khmer citizens. It is a good idea, I think. All Thai people should consider about this opinion.
PUC Student
PREH VIHEAR or ANGKOR WAT belong to CAMBODIA . Khmer ancestor start to buil Ankor Wat since 802 when siam didn`t even have a country or maybe didn`t born yet . Didn`t you (siam people) go to history class ? your country born in 13 century while khmer ancestor start building angkor wat in 802 , and for thais who said that cambodia is full of youn and chinese , why don`t you go back to look at your own country . thialand is full of chinese and youn too , the population of youn and chiness who live in siem are bigger than in cambodia . look at all your movie star , do you think they are real siem . the answer is no ,just look at siem`s movie star you can tell that 99,9 percent of them are mix with other nationality. while most of cambodian star are real khmer. of course i admit that some of cambodian star are mix nationality too but at least a huge amount of cambodian star are real khmer . cambodian are khmer , it`s just that when we talk with foreign people we use the word "cambodian" but when we speak with our own people we use the word "khmer". when i speak with my english teacher i told her that i`m cambodian but when i`m with my friend i call my self a "khmer" so thias , stop trying to steal cambodian`s heritage. if you`re jealous why don`t you try to make youself a temple thousands years ago .
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