Wednesday, June 25, 2008

All heated up about heritage [-Preah Vihear is Khmer's heritage anyway, NOT Thai's]

Wednesday June 25, 2008
Bangkok Post

Public frenzy over the registration of Preah Vihear temple ruins on the Thai-Cambodian border as a World Heritage Site by Cambodia comes at a crucial time. Overnight, the issue has become a hot debate. We see a number of self-proclaimed protectors of the ancient site. Strangely though, many fear Thailand will ''forever lose'' the site, which actually stopped belonging to the country when the International Court of Justice gave a ruling in favour of Cambodia almost half a century ago.

As the issue is avidly politicised, people keep mentioning ''the loss'' without knowing exactly what we are to lose if Preah Vihear gains international recognition at the Unesco meeting in Quebec soon.

A superficial look at the issue may give the impression that the thing called ''cultural heritage'' does matter in our society. But does it, really?

Let's look at the way we have handled our heritage and heritage sites and we may realise that the opposite is exactly the truth. Do we take good care of Ayutthaya -our World Heritage site - which is under threat from encroachment? The attack on Phanom Rung Historical Park in Buri Ram is still fresh in our memory. We have heard of a mining concession in an area adjacent to the buffer zone of Huai Kha Kaeng wildlife sanctuary in Uthai Thani - which is also a World Heritage site. Are we considering doing anything to protect it?

Temple thievery, with bandits making off with precious artifacts, have made headlines so often that we are quite familiar with it.

Closer to us all in the Big Mango, national artist Acharn Chakrabhand Posayakrit is facing a tremendous threat in the form of a project to build a 32-storey condominium next door to his house, which also serves as the office of the Chakrabhand Posayakrit Foundation on Soi Ekamai. The project, which is being carried out by Singapore-based Dalvey Residence Co, has the alleged potential to harm a collection of artworks by this National Artist, including a number of paintings, puppets from his historic production, Romance of the Three Kingdoms and also his new production, Taleng Phai, whose preparation is under way.

Inarguably, Acharn Chakrabhand's house is a living heritage _ a place where the National Artist makes new creations. It is also a place where a number of artists and musicians come to work on the puppets, practise their skills and rehearse their performance almost every day. The house is a place of learning for art students.

Worse, it has been found that existing laws are all in favour of the project developer, rather than individual residents like Acharn Chakrabhand.

Although Dalvey has said it will do its best to minimise the impact from its construction, there is no guarantee that the house will still be livable in, either during construction which is to last three years, or after project completion.

After all, such a huge building will unavoidably alter the physical environment of the neighbourhood - and not necessarily in a positive way.

Interestingly enough, the state authorities, including the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration and the Natural Resources and Environment Ministry, have looked into the issue. With despair, they have admitted that they do not have the power to stop the project, given the laws they have in their hand. Instead, they are placing their hope on ''social pressure'' to help the embattled artist.

The artist has launched a signature-collection campaign in which his fans and supporters sign up to voice their disapproval of the project. Yet no one knows if enough pressure can be generated, as Acharn Chakrabhand's fight against the project goes on almost unnoticed by society at large.

That is in profound contrast to what has happened in the Preah Vihear case.

More important, we have not heard a single word from the Culture Ministry, the agency authorised to safeguard the nation's culture and heritage. Which raises the question: can we still place our hopes in this agency?

I dare not say.

Acharn Chakrabhand's house is not just an individual's house. It is part of our national heritage which we cannot afford to lose.

Ploenpote Atthakor is Deputy News Editor, Bangkok Post.

44 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hello Abhisit Vejjajiva,

A quiz for you - why is one province of Cambodia (where Angkor Wat is) named "Siemreap"?

Patiently awaiting your answer to see if you are any smarter than a 5th grader?

Truly yours,
One 16-year-old Cambodian kid

Anonymous said...

why can't they be like laos? laos has kept the beautiful khmer temple as well called wat phu or lingapura in ancient khmer language. in fact this temple is one of the largest of all the ancient khmer god-kings temple, however i think khmer people did not make such a big fuss over it with laos because laos is like a brother and sister to khmer and thus it is ok for them to keep wat phu. however, for siems, it is a whole different story. not only get had gained a few of cambodia's ancient khmer temple, they are arrogant to want more, even in this 2008 world. i hope one day khmer people will take back everthing siem thieves took from us in the first place. god bless cambodia.

Anonymous said...

AH Abhisit Vejjajiva said that the Phrea Vihear case is a knock out punch for Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej to resign from power!

Well! This is what I can say to AH Abhisit Vejjajiva and I hope he become the Prime Minister of Thailame in the future but don't you dare set foot in Cambodia mother fucker!

AH Abhisit Vejjajiva is a modern day terrorist and disguises himself as the leader of democratic fool!

If you have ill will for Cambodia and her people and Cambodia and her people will have ill will for you too!

AH Abhisit Vejjajiva will be the last man on Earth to set on Cambodian soil!

Anonymous said...

Ah Siamese claimed that they got educated more than Khmer people! but their brain fully of coconut husks fibers, they allways absorb the wrong informations of History. The intelectualists adictively believed in Media instead of theirown official GV'T, then having worke so hard for non sence. Don't believe in (PAD)leader they are all drugs adicted, it wast your time Jerky!.!.!.
May god bless Khmer all!

Anonymous said...

Only if I could nuclear bomb the lowly siamese I would without thinking twice. How despicable these animals are.

Anonymous said...

This Abhishit just want to be the prime minister of Siamland because the Siam king are scared, because Thaksin friends want to get rid of the king. So at the end Vajjina fuck Samak and the king.

In summary:
Vajjina want to fuck, Samak which want to fuck the king, and the king fuck the ignorant Siam people. In last Vajjina fuck the king for absolute power, and than fuck the ignorant people for democracy.

Anonymous said...

What????????????? Ah Siem land-grabbing thieves consider Khmer-built Preah Vihear Temple as their "national culture and heritage"?????? How low can these Siem land-grabbing thieves go????? You Siem land-grabbing thieves are not of the Khmer people, you mongoloid freaks from Nan Chao. You are simply Ah Siem land-grabbing thieves of the Khmer territory, that is all that you are. All Khmer ancient monuments are still belong to the Khmer people alone and not to you Siem bastards homeless NanChao losers. Therefore, Preah Vihear is by the Khmer, of the Khmer and for the Khmer people ALONE, you stupid Siem losers from NanChao. Go reclaim your pathetic Nanchao culture and heritage in China, you loser Siems. Ah Siems are just a bunch of annoying retarded group of people on this planet earth. They can't think and they only know how to steal Khmer monuments. When will these Siem losers go reclaim their heritage and culture in NanChao China???? Perhaps it is time for us Khmer to submit to the UNESCO that we want our ancestral land back from the Siems as proven by the historical evidence and the existence of the Khmer people living in this newly created country of Thailand.

Anonymous said...

Abhisit Vejjajiva translate as:

Abhisit = Abhor shit
Vejjajiva = Vagina

Translate as Abhor shitty vagina!

Anonymous said...

I am Thai but I think that many Thai people are greedy and selfish.

Anonymous said...

Thai are Chinese people. They are not the same as the Khmer in Thailand. So buzz off, fake (6:23). I don't see no Chinese people from anywhere is interested in Preah Vihear.

Anonymous said...

กูก็คนไทยแต่กูคิดว่า คนไทยหลายคนเห็นแก่ตัว

See Fake or not

January said...

It's true that many Thai people are shame on Apisit and his party.
Thailand will surely be better and peaceful without them.

Anonymous said...

I'm Thai. The case of Preah Vihear temple ruins was over more than 40 years ago. We know that. Abhisit Vejjajiva and his party - Democrat party are the persons you should be angry with not all Thais. The majority of Thai people didn't vote for them. That's why they are not the government. If you want to beat a shit out of someone who really offend you with this case, please take it on Abhisit Vejjajiva, the Democrat Party, and their supporters. Mostly the supporters of this party are Chinese.

The Thais who voted for PM Samak Sunthoravej and People's Power Party to be the government will be very much appriciated. My feet are very itchy to kick Abhisit's mouth as his tries to spoil the relationship between Thailand and Cambodia.

For your information, we refer to this party (the Democrat Party) as the Cockroach Party.

And, before you take any actions on some Thais, please make sure that they are the mambers or the supporters of Democrat Party.

Anonymous said...

To Cambodians,

I am a Thai. Please not get Thais wrong. Abhisit is just a shit of Thailand. He wants to be the prime minister, so he trys to do everything to achieve his goal. He accuses that the minister has a benefit with Cambodia. But please not get Thais wrong. Many Thai professors who have profound knowledge in history say that the temple belongs to Cambodia, not Thailand. Many Thai people agree with that. The prime minister harshly criticizes Abhisit for trying to fuck up the relation between Thailand and Cambodia. But the media has never shown it. The prime minister comes from the grass roots of Thailand. But the media is owned by the middle class and the elites of Thailand. So, the media favors Abhisit and tries to makes up that Thai people are angry with the prime minister. This is a lie. If most Thai people had not liked the prime minister, they would haven't elected him. (Abhisit has been the candidate twice and he has lost all elections.) It's just a fucking politics of Thailand. And I would say that this is not the only political tool they use. If you follow Thailand's news, you will see that this fucking party of Abhisit always accuses that the party of the prime minister sells their lands to other nations such as Singapore and Burma. They just use this fucking nationalism to stir up people. I hope you understand. I am not less angry with Abhisit than you are.

Anonymous said...

If I could only ask the Khmer people --
'Please don't let yourselves be
the victims of this dirty political game.'

The Democrat party only wishes to
depose the government by any means
neccessary, no matter how shameful
it would be.

Outside the parliament they have
the PAD thugs, who use the axact
accusations on government in their
rally.

They only wish to switch the power.

The Thai authorities and governments
have been recognizing the Cambodian
sovereignty over the Preah Vihear temple
for more than 40 years, and it will
always be that way.

So please, don't let our patriotism
be stirred by these scumbag politicians.

Don't let them make us hate each other.

Anonymous said...

Dont be lousy noob Kambodia .


what did you do mean you are noob .


Mr.Taksin's going to open the Casino at your country and then he'll control your country wahaha.


everything in our plan .

Anonymous said...

please don't see thai's people like Abhisit . His party can't win the election for long time . That mean most of Thai's people don't like him and his party .

Anonymous said...

please don't see thai's people like Abhisit . His party can't win the election for long time . That mean most of Thai's people don't like him and his party .

Anonymous said...

See !!!!!
You Khmer do not need to do anything. They people like to bite each other.

Anonymous said...

Give Preah Vihear Temple Back to Khmer people.Maybe they want to earn more money from ticket fees to heal HIV+ whore and beggar in their country.

Anonymous said...

To the person above me
ประเทศมึงดีนักแหล่ะ ไปกินหญ้าของไอ้ลิ้มไป

Henry Bhuphisuthi, young golfer in future said...

I'm Thai and used to come to work in Phnem Penh.I have many friends in Cambodia. We are good fiends good relationship between Thaiand Cambodian people.
I will tell friends that majority of Thai people did not agree and support to Democrat Paty and they never win in next election whenever 10 year from now.

Anonymous said...

Dude dont act like you are stupid.

I'm Thai, And I can tell you that Apisit isn't a good person. Take a fucking look at the whole country not just only one person,otherwise you might be a victim of those fucking idiot.

I am Thai and I'm living in Canada.I know a lot of Cambodian people who live here. They are really nice to me. And I dont want those fucking pieces of shit{Appisit} screw our relationship.

Anonymous said...

Interesting comments from the "Thai" visitors. Down with Ah Aphisit Mongoloid f*cked up face. Ah Aphisit needs to go back to Nan Chao to reclaim his Siem history and heritage. All Ah Siems who want to reclaim more Khmer territory and temples really need to go jump off Preah Vihear Cliff once and for all. So tired of these annoying land-grabbing Siem thieves. The lowly Siems really need to move out of the Khmer territory and move back to their ancestral land of Nan Chao. The Khmer really need to have a showdown with these Siems and reclaim back all of our ancestral territory and islands taken over by the land-grabbing invading Siem thieves.

Anonymous said...

Read this Cambodian.

No one in Siam want to reclaim Khmer territory and temples. Except for Apisit. He just wanted to be famous, but see!! every Siam people disagree with him. And you think that shit is going to happen?,Hell no.So stop complainning

Anonymous said...

First thing, I would like to declare that I'm a thai and I also oppose of Aphisit, his Democratic Party and it's main vehicle, the PAD. They are the elites in Bangkok and can't be touch by regular means. However, your community have better chance and every rights to retaliate back at Aphisit and the PAD, may be through International News or up-close and personally taking out each of them, 1-by-1. FYI ... on the protest's stage, the PAD is much much more aggressive and ... to achieve their goal to kick out the govt, a genocide seige on Cambodia would not mean a damn thing for them. May be it'll be something to laugh on. I'm sure more than 80% of the thai citizens wanted Apisit and his underlings (particularly Sondhi Limthongul) chop up in pieces and feed it to the aligators.

Much Respects,
Your thai fellow

Anonymous said...

I'm a Thai. And I would like to ask the cambodian people please don't be furious with us.

Only some bad Thais are trying to use this subject to attack the Samak government and Former Prime Minister Thaksin.

It's just a dirty political trick atiming at their Thai political rivalry, not cambodian people, and you should not pay any attention to it.

Anonymous said...

Do not take Mr. Apisit so seriously. He just desperately wants to be Thai PM..
And the case of Preah Vihear Temple is one of his f..ing political games. His idiot voice does not represent the majority of Thai people Should we let one stupid idea ruin our friendship?.

Anonymous said...

Just a game of democrat that play with few people who are stupid and believe in all words they tried to whirl.

Most Thai people still know what is the truth and most want us,two country, have a forever good relationship as it always be.

Please,..."don't let anyone ruin our peace"

Anonymous said...

hmm, this is all you cambodians have to say? I'm sure that the PAD is still yapping about this issue. I speculate that one day, this will come back to haunt your country again in the future, as all the people who make the fuss about this all very well alive and on the spotlight! Retalliation doesn't mean war. The official condemption on the politic abuse is nowhere enough. Some Sonthi's worshippers still mentioned let's invade Cambodia and take Kao praviharn back by force. Seriously.
Thai have a bad habit of naming places and things in thai, and think it's belong to Thai people. It's annoy me a lot to that our people are rediculously snobbish, arrogrant and extremely easy to manipulated.

Anonymous said...

I'm khmer who work in Thailand now. Vihear is not only cambodian, it is also belong to Thais. I think it's not fair for thais who has also long history and ancestors live there. Ok, I pround that khmer won. But what for? It's bullshit issue of the world. I think cambodia not do the right thing now.

Anonymous said...

Each country has long history. No matter what ethnic they were before. Even the results said it's cambodia. But, I don't believe that Thai has no right in it.

It's just judgement to get benefit, in world of marketing. Civiliztion in this area belong to all countries in the area. We can deny the truth.

Anonymous said...

edit >>> We can't deny the truth.

Anonymous said...

เราคนไทย
รู้สึกเสียใจ กับสิ่งที่มันเกิดขึ้น ไม่ว่าจะเกิดจากอะไรก็ตาม ยังไงซะ ไทย กับ เขมร ยากที่จะเป็นมิตรเพื่อนบ้านกันมานานแล้ว

ก็คงต้องรอวันที่ คนของสองประเทศจะมีความเจริญก้าวหน้า
ทางความคิดมาหพอที่จะ
เลิกทะเลาะ บาดหมางกัน ด้วยเรื่อง
ที่มันเป็นแค่อดีต!!
แล้วหันมาคิดและใส่ใจกับเรื่องคุณภาพประชากร
ในประเทศอีกหลายสิบล้าน
พวกเขาต้องการข้าวประทังชีวิตมากกว่าเขาพระวิหาร
ที่กินไม่ได้นั่น
...
สองประเทศจงรู้ไว้ซะ
อดีตที่เคยรุ่งเรืองมันไม่มีความหมายหรอก
ในเมื่อปัจจุบันมันแย่

ขอไว้อาลัยให้กับความสัมพันธ์ของเราสอง...ประเทศ

Anonymous said...

This is all Cambodians have to say?The case in house just leave it our responsibility, just keep barking out of sight.

Your country didn't do the right thing, ok both country have avaricious but not like this.

seem like our relationship so long is broken here, cuz what?

I'll not blame u but...what goes around come around.

Anonymous said...

ไทย เขมร
เราคงจบกันวันนี้ และตลอดไป
เราจะจำความแค้นของเรา ไปจนตราบสิ้นชีวิต
หวังว่า แผ่นดินไทย ของเรา
คงจะไม่เสียอธิปไตยให้ชาติใดอีก
สมัยสมเด็จพระพุทธเจ้าหลวง เราเสียเขมร ให้ฝรั่งเศส
ดูสิ งูเห่าแว้งกัด

Anonymous said...

What the hell are you, man?

I'm Thai but I believe that Preah Vihear is Khmer's heritage because of the Thai historicians' fault(when french has coming in imperial age).

I agreed that you guys are true, man.

Two countries are going to dark age that both of Thais and Khmers believe in "Ethnic discourse" that brings us to get loss.

Why we will not have a co-organization to develop both of Thailand and Cambodia? Why we want to fight and have a warfare time that under the ethnic discourse? Why we still adhere to ethnic and ancient history?

Why majority of Thai and Khmer can't see the whole-interest in win-win situation, not war.

poor men, poor countries

Freshmen,
Government department,
Faculty of Political Science,
Chulalongkorn University

Anonymous said...

Siamese is not mongol from NANCHAO they are ethnic of khymer. They know well that they are ethnic groups. But they don't proud to bee ethnic groups of anorther country. So they say they are "Tai" from Nanchao. "Siam" was the real name of them but they change to "Thai" in 1934 to make them bee a big nationality and to steal the land of laos(Tai/Thai land) from France. Real Siamese live in the central but in the North and East are Lao(tai). Siamese are not china and people in Thai(siamese) look like china because they have blood china-thai because many chinese live in thai and married with siamese. Remember in the past Siamese is not calling "Thai" they just change their name.

Anonymous said...

พ่อมรืงตายหรอ...เขมร
let me translate for you it mean
your father go to hell
in the birth date of [hunsen]
i wish your country explode in to
million of pieces
go die mother fucker
you son of a fucking mutant bitch, you know exactly nothing about thai yet you're stupid enough to try and speak about Thai.. you know what? it's fucking stupid


i saw one website writing bad things about our beloved Thai kings.. so you know what? it fucking pissed me, so you know why im soo in rage right now.. so if you know you're not the ones that think bad about us then im not talking about you... im talking about those son of a bitches that says bad stuffs.. GO TO FUCKING HELL WITH HUNSEN YOU SON OF A FUCKING MUTANT UGLY BITCHES!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

FUCK YOU **HUNSEN** I'M YOUR MOM ASSHOLE I WISH YOU COULD LICK MY PUSSIE AGAIN SON


FUCK YOU KHMER
FUCK YOU HUNSEN
FUCK YOU CAMBODIA
FUCK YOU THAKSIN CHINNAWAT

FROM A 13AND15 YEARS OLD **THAI** KID

ouiii said...

หากไทยจะลำเลิกบ้างอ้างขอบเขต
เมืองเขมรทั้งประเทศของใครนั่น
ใครเล่าตั้งวงศ์กษัตริย์ปัจจุบัน
องค์ด้วงนั้นคือใครที่ไหนมา
   เป็นเพียงเจ้าไม่มีศาลซมซานวิ่ง
ได้แอบอิงอำนาจไทยจึงใหญ่กล้า
ทัพไทยช่วยปราบศัตรูกู้พารา
สถาปนาจัดระบอบให้ครอบครอง
   ได้เดชไทยไปคุ้มกะลาหัว
จึงตั้งตัวขึ้นมาอย่าจองหอง
เป็นข้าขัณฑสีมาฝ่าละออง
ส่งดอกไม้เงินทองตลอดมา
   ไม่เหลียวดูโภไคไอศวรรย์
ทั้งเครื่องราชกกุธภัณฑ์เป็นหนักหนา
ฝีมือไทยแน่นักประจักษ์ตา
เพราะทรงพระกรุณาประทานไป
   มีพระคุณจุนเจือเหลือประมาณ
ถึงลูกหลานกับเนรคุณได้
สมกับคำโบราณท่านว่าไว้
อย่าไว้ใจเขมรเห็นจริงเอย...

เจ้าพวกหักหลัง คิดไม่ซื่อ คบไม่ได้

SOS said...

คุณเป็นคนเขมร เรารู้คุณรักชาติ
เราเป็นคนไทยคุณก็ควรรู้ว่าเรารักชาติ

....ใครด่าคุณคุณไม่ยอม
....ใครด่าเราเราก็ไม่ยอม

ฉันไม่ค่อยทราบประวัติศาสตร์มากนัก เพราะหาซึ้งความจริงยากยิ่งนัก ประวัติศาสตร์บางครั้งก็เข้าข้างฝั่งของตน คุณควรหาข้อมูลให้ครบถ้วนถูกต้องให้ได้เสียก่อนจึงจะมาด่าเรา

Anonymous said...

I'm Thai .. A real one, not the faked..
So I love Thai as much as you Khmer love yours.

I don't know much about your history or any nonsense things like your impressive cultures.
But you Khmer had just taken ours, the Thai royal ballet and the grand shadow theater... You know it yourself that these aren't yours!! Yes, It's Thai...
Then what the heck is going on with your UNESCO patents???
It's unfair for us, Thais, the real publishers... . Will you be suppressed if someone said that your work is his/her work? Or will you be angry if someone tell everyone that you're bad, but in facts it's not?
It's same to me, Thai! Would you please stop and think, think harder than what are you doing. Stop lying...
You had taken everything from us... This honorable place too. So, please don't do it again... I'm asking you...
We aren't that naive... We've more intelligence and creations than you all...

Unless we might had already copied the others' cultures like what are you doing right now. Including the Korean songs... what is about Ring Ding Dong or Fire or Suju's , etc.

You are the real mother fuckers! Not us.


Then someday, when the facts are revealed... The name of Combodia will lost from the map of the world forever...

Perhaps, it may rechange to the former name... 'Siam'


May the god bless you. Damn Khmer !


PS. sorry for some bad English... I'm Thai not hte copier!
PS2. And sorry for the fool Khmer that doosn't understand what i've written! :)

Anonymous said...

Shut the fuck up Khmer!

You were helped by Siamese 2-3 hundred years ago! Bet you'd know the name of your Wat Preah Keo that is copied from some place right?

You couldn't be that stupid, guys!