Pongpol Adireksarn, head of the Thai national world heritage committee meets a group of protesters rallying against Thailand's support of the Preah Vihear temple's listing during the World Heritage Committee's meeting in Quebec, Canada.
Cambodian soldiers stand guard in front of a gate on the Cambodian-Thai border in Preah Vihear province.
Cambodian soldiers stand guard in front of a gate on the Cambodian-Thai border in Preah Vihear province.
Scholars and historians are urging people on both sides of the border to take a calm and peaceful approach to the row that has erupted over the bid to get the ancient Preah Vihear temple listed as a World Heritage site
Tuesday July 08, 2008
Piyaporn Wongruang
Bangkok Post
More and more Thai people have been gathering near the Cambodian border, trying to exert pressure over the proposed listing of the Preah Vihear temple as a World Heritage site.
In Bangkok, the issue has been heating up and has been picked up by critics of the government and the anti-government group the People's Alliance for Democracy, who have accused the administration of trying to exchange Thailand's support for the listing for future economic benefits in Cambodia for cronies of the Thai government.
And in the hearts of many Thais, there has been frustration and dissatisfaction, which has ignited fear and hatred towards their neighbour.
What will result from the success or failure of the Cambodian bid is a question several scholars have been trying to answer.
"The current situation is highly charged. What is most feared is not violence in Cambodia, but here, in Bangkok," said Surachart Bamrungsuk, a noted political scientist specialising in national security issues at Chulalongkorn University.
For Mr Surachart, who has studied national security issues for more than two decades, the issue of the Preah Vihear listing is challenging the mindset of Thai people as well as their neighbours over their unsettled boundaries.
The two countries have not settled on where the borderline should run near the temple.
The frontier with Cambodia is 798 kilometres long. And part of it involves the controversial overlapping territory, including the site around Preah Vihear with at least 4.6 square kilometres of disputed territory.
Originally, there were no borders or boundaries around Preah Vihear. According to some scholars, including noted historian Srisakra Vallibhotama, people in mainland Southeast Asia did not recognise territory based on boundary lines. They accepted symbols which mainly were landmarks relating to spiritual power, the scholar added, and Preah Vihear's location was believed to match this concept.
The ancient temple was built on top of a headland over a steep cliff, which separates the Cambodian plains from the the Korat plateau in Thailand. But the border agreed in 1904 and 1907 between France, which ruled Cambodia at the time, and Thailand, changed the perception of territory over the sanctuary. Preah Vihear was built and promoted as one of the highest value sacred places, being worshiped by several of the ancient Khmer kings.
The International Council on Monuments and Sites, which evaluated new listings for the World Heritage Committee, described Preah Vihear as "an outstanding masterpiece of Khmer architecture. It is very 'pure' both in plan and in the details of its decoration", and the site of the temple and its environment today "represent a particularly significant example of the Khmer genius for adapting monuments to their environment".
The council's assessment reflects the temple's outstanding universal value, and it has thrown its weight behind listing it as a World Heritage site.
But the site was divided into separate territories in 1962 when the International Court of Justice handed down its verdict on the ownership of Preah Vihear.
The court's ruling stated that "the temple is situated in territory under the sovereignty of Cambodia", while its surrounding area is still contested by Thailand and Cambodia, with different boundary lines drawn over it.
In order to keep the integrity and value of the site, the controversy about the proposed listing of Preah Vihear should be managed with the right mindset, taking into account the unsettled boundaries between Thailand and Cambodia, scholars said.
Cambodia has proposed only the temple's structure be put on the World Heritage List, with Thailand trying to nominate the surrounding area separately.
Mr Surachart suggests both Thais and Cambodians find ways to overcome their past struggles over their unsettled boundaries so relations will not be damaged unnecessarily.
He recently proposed joint management in the form of either joint development areas or joint cultural development areas for Preah Vihear so the two countries could avoid clashing over their unsettled boundary. Preservation work for the site needs to be done, and when developed both countries should benefit.
"The disputed areas should be viewed as the property of all concerned because once you try to draw a line over them, there tends to be a winner and a loser, and no one wants to be a loser," he said. "A win-win situation is there for people."
Historian Mr Srisakra suggested that the people involved first understand the most important part in the Preah Vihear case is the integrity and universal value of the temple.
He said people should not push for the temple to be listed as a World Heritage site only because they want economic benefits. The real meaning of being a World Heritage site is that it helps reflect the world's civilisation, he added."Don't just look at short-term benefits and concentrate on keeping its physical property. The temple is actually a valuable cultural sphere that was once shared by people regardless of their races and nationalities," said Mr Srisakra.
Tuesday July 08, 2008
Piyaporn Wongruang
Bangkok Post
More and more Thai people have been gathering near the Cambodian border, trying to exert pressure over the proposed listing of the Preah Vihear temple as a World Heritage site.
In Bangkok, the issue has been heating up and has been picked up by critics of the government and the anti-government group the People's Alliance for Democracy, who have accused the administration of trying to exchange Thailand's support for the listing for future economic benefits in Cambodia for cronies of the Thai government.
And in the hearts of many Thais, there has been frustration and dissatisfaction, which has ignited fear and hatred towards their neighbour.
What will result from the success or failure of the Cambodian bid is a question several scholars have been trying to answer.
"The current situation is highly charged. What is most feared is not violence in Cambodia, but here, in Bangkok," said Surachart Bamrungsuk, a noted political scientist specialising in national security issues at Chulalongkorn University.
For Mr Surachart, who has studied national security issues for more than two decades, the issue of the Preah Vihear listing is challenging the mindset of Thai people as well as their neighbours over their unsettled boundaries.
The two countries have not settled on where the borderline should run near the temple.
The frontier with Cambodia is 798 kilometres long. And part of it involves the controversial overlapping territory, including the site around Preah Vihear with at least 4.6 square kilometres of disputed territory.
Originally, there were no borders or boundaries around Preah Vihear. According to some scholars, including noted historian Srisakra Vallibhotama, people in mainland Southeast Asia did not recognise territory based on boundary lines. They accepted symbols which mainly were landmarks relating to spiritual power, the scholar added, and Preah Vihear's location was believed to match this concept.
The ancient temple was built on top of a headland over a steep cliff, which separates the Cambodian plains from the the Korat plateau in Thailand. But the border agreed in 1904 and 1907 between France, which ruled Cambodia at the time, and Thailand, changed the perception of territory over the sanctuary. Preah Vihear was built and promoted as one of the highest value sacred places, being worshiped by several of the ancient Khmer kings.
The International Council on Monuments and Sites, which evaluated new listings for the World Heritage Committee, described Preah Vihear as "an outstanding masterpiece of Khmer architecture. It is very 'pure' both in plan and in the details of its decoration", and the site of the temple and its environment today "represent a particularly significant example of the Khmer genius for adapting monuments to their environment".
The council's assessment reflects the temple's outstanding universal value, and it has thrown its weight behind listing it as a World Heritage site.
But the site was divided into separate territories in 1962 when the International Court of Justice handed down its verdict on the ownership of Preah Vihear.
The court's ruling stated that "the temple is situated in territory under the sovereignty of Cambodia", while its surrounding area is still contested by Thailand and Cambodia, with different boundary lines drawn over it.
In order to keep the integrity and value of the site, the controversy about the proposed listing of Preah Vihear should be managed with the right mindset, taking into account the unsettled boundaries between Thailand and Cambodia, scholars said.
Cambodia has proposed only the temple's structure be put on the World Heritage List, with Thailand trying to nominate the surrounding area separately.
Mr Surachart suggests both Thais and Cambodians find ways to overcome their past struggles over their unsettled boundaries so relations will not be damaged unnecessarily.
He recently proposed joint management in the form of either joint development areas or joint cultural development areas for Preah Vihear so the two countries could avoid clashing over their unsettled boundary. Preservation work for the site needs to be done, and when developed both countries should benefit.
"The disputed areas should be viewed as the property of all concerned because once you try to draw a line over them, there tends to be a winner and a loser, and no one wants to be a loser," he said. "A win-win situation is there for people."
Historian Mr Srisakra suggested that the people involved first understand the most important part in the Preah Vihear case is the integrity and universal value of the temple.
He said people should not push for the temple to be listed as a World Heritage site only because they want economic benefits. The real meaning of being a World Heritage site is that it helps reflect the world's civilisation, he added."Don't just look at short-term benefits and concentrate on keeping its physical property. The temple is actually a valuable cultural sphere that was once shared by people regardless of their races and nationalities," said Mr Srisakra.
23 comments:
To the Khmer Issan. You do not represent the thai people in general. We are the REAL Thais believe that only small group of thai politicians and others are trying to disturb the good relationship of the two countries. We never have been against Cambodia for the listing of the temple.
You are not thai's friend, but thai's slave. You are disgrace and bring bad reputation to our thai people. So, stop your stupid dream of getting the temple.
If that benefit Thais, that is correct right?
Bastard Thai historians pretending to be a scholar he haaa
Oh my God, Thailand!
Why don't you stay calm. This belongs to Cambodia. Becareful, Don't get heart attack because of your jealousy. If you keep on and on. This must be your corse comes.
Having your neigbor country being happy, you should be happy too.
Please Stay in Peace, God will be with you.
There is no room for Thaicong speculation!
The Thaicong can speculate about life on Mars but not on Khmer Phrea Vihear temple! The reason because historical facts had shown again and again that the Phrea Vihear temple were built by the Khmer Kings which situated on Khmer territory! And beside Khmer Phrea Vihear temple is a thing that be seen, touch, and smell and can proven base on historical facts! So there is no need for speculation any longer!
Cased closed!
Is Thai is an educated country and lawfull or WHAT?
Can they (the Thai) understand worl court?
I know thay are BAbarian from in the gyne, helpless Thai babarian!
Are you Mongol, or, mogess or monkey?
Dear khmer compatriots !
Thai are a sore loosers now.Loosers are loosers.just ignore them.
The temple should be returned to Khmer people in Issan Province (the rightful owner).
no need to gloat. Let celebrate. Its is unfortunate that some Thais have been used for politicians propaganda and been stirred up to a moot case that we know has already been decided over 46 years ago.
In their confused and manipulated mind, the Preah Vihear case is just something as novel as the idea of sending man to Mars.
So there is no need for us to bash on them, but rather I think we should have pity on their misunderstanding and shake our head in utter appalled by the blind and extreme nationalism that calls for the return of the owner's object to another person.
Khmer Issan, I don't know if you are involved in this, and over the last several weeks and month some people have been using your name.
If you are involved in this Anti-Cambodia protest, then you have completely lost your head and Khmer pride. There is nothing to be said.
But i don't think it is the Khmer Issan who are being vocal and political in this controversial but rather the new Thai settlers on Issan land that have been protesting.
Come on GREEDY THAI!!!!
You can't do nothing with Khmer property.
As a Cambodian people, I will never buy Thai products, I will never use Thai service or even visit Thai.
Thai is GREEDY to get Khmer Territory.
I hope that this word will spread to every Cambodian mind. GREEDY Thai is trying to steal more Khmer land.
cambodia should charge thailand with contempt of court for violating the 1962 icj, the actual borderline of cambodia should match that of the 1904 - 1907 treaty, not thailand unilateral redrawing of the dotted line to be close to preah vihear temple, period. cambodia needs to remind them about the icj verdict. who cares if they did not agree with the court ruling as their claim is so illegal anyway.
To the Khmer Issan in this forum. You do not represent the thai people in general. We are the REAL Thais believe that only small group of thai politicians and others are trying to disturb the good relationship of the two countries. We have never been against Cambodia for the listing of the temple.
You are not thai's friend, but thai's slave. You are disgrace and bring bad reputation to our thai people. So, stop your stupid dream of getting the temple. It belongs to Cambodia, not your stupid slave of our king. It is wasting off our thais money and time to educate stupid people like you.
cambodia, tell siem thugs to get out of the 4.6 km2 area of cambodia that icj confirmed in 1962. they have no right to stage protest or whatever on our soil, period! god bless cambodia.
Talking of Buddhism, the Siamese called themselves Buddists and believe in Buddha and karma in next life. But the Siamese also believe in committing crime/robbery to gain for their own benefit whether their criminal acts would hurt others the Siamese could care less. These fake people are pertending to be good. Damn bastard Siamese. They should turn thmselves to be atheists and believe in nothing but their own brain of the arrogance. Go to deepest hell Siamese - most of you are bad. Go to hell. Only truly good people will find God. Damn you.
Make it like this in Preah Vihear temple fight:
- 11st Centurty: The temple was built by Khmer King of Khmer Empire:
Khmer Empire 1:0 Siam (at that time, they might be called Siam Kok..hehehe)
- 1962, International Court of Justice ruled it is belong to Cambodia:
Cambodia 2:0 Siam
- 2008, UNESCO listed as World Heritage for Cambodia:
Cambodia 3:0 Thailand
So even they change their country name or whatever, they are still the loser..
BRAVO!!!!! KHMER PRIDE I'M A LUCKIST WAS BORN AS KHMERS THANKS YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK MY BELOVED GOVERNMENT JUST DO IT DON'T CARE WHAT ABOUT STUPID PERSON SAY IT PRAISED MY KING SEHAMONY FOR YOU HUMBLEED GOD BLESS YOU YOU!!!!!
Bravo ! Preah Vihear Temple World Heritage Listed
Bravo ! Kingdom of Cambodia
I would like to propose to Preah Vihear Authority must be close the gate infront of Temple forever and open anothor gate.
Don't permit to income the Temple of People Alliance democrat Shit! Especialy Ah! Leamok Abhisit Vejjajiva! and some leaders to visit Our Preah Vihear.
Barachey tov Tmil kman sasana (Let ! Lost some unreligious!)
I'm from Issan, but I am not kymer. I'm T'ai, Lao and Chinese.
I don't care about Preah Vihan.
I don't believe that it (animal) who claimed to be Khmer Issan is Khmer Issan, he may be Khun T'ai or Khun Yuon.
SIAM means:
Stupid ឆ្កួត
Inadvisable ល្ងង់ខ្លៅពិបាកកែ
Abject មហាថោកទាបជាងសត្វតិរច្ឆាន
Mad ឡប់សតិ
I BAR Siamese you're right it should not have border around the temple, because the border is far away beond that!. I BAR PEN RUOKE PRASAAT don't recite to long no one wanted to hear your illusive mind. Do you know where the Khmer Empire border was?, Khmer have nothing to discus with you; the more you talk the more Khmer offspring wake up, it should be beter to you stop mentioning about territorial & border issue. Go back to where you were leave my Khmer brothers & Sisters alone we will reunited one again as New Khmer Empire( That mean Khmer territory is not where it is in 1904. I know you Know that too right that why have spent your hollyday in Quebec this month Eh!. God bless Khmer all!
2:30,
"We should have pity on their misunderstanding?"
Misunderstanding is an under statement!
Don't pity them for their misunderstanding!
Pity them for their ignorance!
To misunderstood is a conversations between two people. But when you have a third party (ICJ) attempted to redirect your so-called misunderstanding......... that is simply ignorance.
I am not sure if Preah Ang Runrot is dancing with Phalla Runrot overseas to celebrate the Temple Listed as World Heritage.
Achar Knoy
The Thaicong news media need to stop spitting out all the garbage how they can still retain the ownership of Khmer Phrea Vihear temple!
There is no room for Thaicong speculation and interpretation on the issue of Khmer Phrea Vihear temple any longer!
The Thaicong news media need to shut the fuck up from now on otherwise the discussion of Khmer Phrea Vihear temple will go on indefinitely!
The Thaicong news media need to shut the fuck up from now on!
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