Tuesday, July 15, 2008

Political tensions driving temple row

Both Thailand and Cambodia retain troops at the hill-top temple

Tuesday, 15 July 2008
By Jonathan Head
BBC News, Bangkok


A week after the controversial listing of the ancient Preah Vihear temple as a World Heritage Site, the dispute that has flared up between Thailand and Cambodia is still causing tension.

The 11th-Century Hindu temple lies along the border between the two countries, but in 1962 the International Court of Justice judged that it belonged to Cambodia.

However the land surrounding the temple is still disputed, and the only practical access is from Thailand.

The issue has stirred up nationalist emotions in an already sensitive political climate in both countries.

Early on Tuesday three Thai protesters crossed into the temple - which remains closed - and were detained for a short time by Cambodian troops.

The Cambodian authorities also say 40 Thai soldiers crossed into their territory briefly, although they are putting this down to confusion over the precise line of the border.

For both sides there is more at stake than a temple.

Cambodia is preoccupied with a hard-fought general election campaign, in which Prime Minister Hun Sen aims to extend his more than two decades in power.

Last week he encouraged thousands of Cambodians to join a rowdy celebration of the temple's new international status in the capital, Phnom Penh.

The Unesco World Heritage listing sparked celebrations in Cambodia

In Thailand feelings are running even higher; the government elected last December was already floundering under a combined assault by street demonstrators, unfavourable court verdicts and the parliamentary opposition.

Its opponents have accused it of incompetence, and of being led by nominees of former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, who was deposed by a coup in September 2006.

Now the government is being attacked for selling out the country over Preah Vihear, because it initially supported Cambodia's bid to list the temple.

One of Thailand's top courts judged that decision to be unconstitutional, as it was in effect a treaty which needed parliamentary approval, and it has barred the government from offering any further co-operation with Cambodia.

As a result Foreign Minister Noppodol Pattama was forced to resign last week, one of three ministers to lose his job over the past two months.

Opposition from elite

The volatile state of Thai politics is the principle reason the row has blown up.

Thai society is still deeply polarised between those who support Mr Thaksin, and want him to stage a political comeback, and those who loathed his leadership style and mistrust the motives of the government, which is led by his party.

The fact that before being appointed foreign minister, Mr Noppodol had been Mr Thaksin's chief lawyer made his position particularly vulnerable.

His critics accuse him of putting his former client's business interests in Cambodia before the country's interests over the temple, something he has strongly denied.

That suspicion harks back to the five-and-a-half years Thaksin Shinawatra was in office. As an immensely wealthy and successful businessman himself, he promoted his can-do ethos around the country, especially in poorer rural areas.

He believed in the global marketplace, and in exposing Thais to its risks and opportunities. He pushed hard to privatise state-owned industries and get free trade agreements with as many countries as he could.

Inevitably he provoked opposition from those who felt they would lose out, or from those who felt he cared more about making money than about Thailand's traditions and interests.

The most vehement opposition to the Preah Vihear World Heritage bid comes from the same groups who objected to many of Mr Thaksin's policies: the traditional, royalist and aristocratic elite and elements of the Bangkok middle class.

Historical rivalry

But there are also genuine historical grievances at play.

The international court decision awarding Preah Vihear to Cambodia in 1962 was not unanimous. It rested largely on Thailand's failure to protest against the French-drawn border line in the decades before.

At the time it was mapped, a hundred years ago, Thailand had few skilled cartographers of its own.

The temple sits on cliffs which form the border between the two countries

The French colonial cartographers were supposed to draw the border along the forested edge of the Dangret Escarpment, but they veered in a few hundred meters to put the temple on the Cambodian side. It is not clear why the Thais did not object then.

But it is worth remembering that in 1941 Thailand fought its only war of the 20th Century with French colonial forces over where the border with Cambodia should lie. A huge monument in the centre of Bangkok still commemorates that conflict.

At different periods in the past Thai and Khmer empires have vied for dominance in the region; the town next to the famous Khmer ruins at Angkor Wat is Siem Reap, which means "Siam [Thailand] flattened".

Khmer-style temples like Preah Vihear still dot much of Thailand's north-east.

That historical rivalry still resonates today. Only five years ago the Thai embassy in Phnom Penh was burned down by an angry mob after a Thai actress was wrongly quoted as saying Angkor Wat should belong to Thailand.

As it awaited news of the listing of Preah Vihear as a World Heritage site, the Cambodian government took the precaution of reinforcing security around the re-built Thai embassy.

43 comments:

Anonymous said...

The Thais are deliberately and intentionally provoking Cambodia. This is not an act of a friendly neighbor but a belligerent agressor.

Hun Sen, now is the time to earn your dirty money. Protect your people instead of assassinating them.

DO YOUR FUCKING JOB YOU SOB!!!!


I will never fly Thai airways ,enter Thailand , buy Thai goods again. They have shown their true colors. A country of pimps and prostitutes.

11:07 PM

Anonymous said...

The 11th-Century Hindu temple lies along the border between the two countries, but in 1962 the International Court of Justice judged that it belonged to Cambodia.

However the land surrounding the temple is still disputed, and the only practical access is from Thailand.

Well, well, Khmers the thieves said it belongs to them -- A Hindu temple -- since when Khmers are hindu????

The only practical access is from Thailand. Still Khmers fool themselves that the temple belongs to Khmers.

If your ancestors were so stupid to climb the cliff and claimed that the temple was theirs, why didn't they build the temple more practical? Oh I forgot, Khmers are stupid nation, killing each others as in the movie, right? hahaha
Is it real? the movie, Or you just make it up?

How dare you said Thais deliberately & intentionally provoking Cambodia.

The temple belongs to Thais and you stole it. That's what we believe. And you have the same opinion as us. A Hindu temple???

We forgave you when Khmers people
were stupid enough to be fooled by your governors during the Thai Embassy incident few years back, but don't you dare think that Thais will forgive you anymore if you hurt any of Thai citizens this time.

Anonymous said...

Yeah yeah don't buy Thai goods, don't fly Thai Airways, Who cares?
If you don't keep your mouths shut, we'll send back all illegal Khmers in Thailand and see how you deal with it.

What an ungrateful people you are!

Anonymous said...

"If Thai protesters continue to enter Cambodian territory, we will arrest them and send them back," said Council of Ministers spokesman Phay Siphan.

= There must be consequence for any Thaicong protesters who continue to violate Cambodian law! AH HUN SEN officials can't go forever rear rest them and send them back as if they are good citizen of the world! Stupid Cambodian officials can't afford to have the Thaicong to probe and to test them as if they are little children who want to play with cowboy with wooden gun! If the stupid Cambodian officials continue to have the open door policy and soon more Thaicong protesters will overwhelm them and it will be hard for any stupid Cambodian officials to stop them!

Listen up all you stupid Cambodian officials! I don't give a fuck if the Thaicong protesters are a monk or whatever! It is up to you as Cambodian officials to uphold Cambodian law and no criminal will be reward for breaking Cambodian law! Next time before you send any Thaicong protesters back home and they will have to stay in Cambodian jail for 6 months and do hard labor to discourage them from entering Cambodian illegally again!

Now all you stupid Cambodian officials go do the right thing and no more excuse!

Anonymous said...

Why the Thaicong kept using the word "Hindu temple"! Listen up all you Thaicong mother fucker! The temple is Khmer Phrea Vihear temple built by the Khmer Kings!

Hindu temple only exist in Hindustan okay! If you want to see Hindu temple and you should go to visit Hindustan or India! By the way the real Hindu temple don't even look like Khmer Phrea Vihear temple!

Fuck off you Thaicong mother fucker!

Anonymous said...

You stupid Khmers never know how to r e a d

BBC said it's a Hindu temple
Do you know BBC?

Listen again BBC reported Phrea Vihear is Hindu temple

Only stupid Khmers said it was built by Khmer Kings. Were your kings Hindu? lol

Anonymous said...

WHERE DID THIS IGNORANT THAI COME FROM?

GO AND SOLVE YOUR OWN POLITICAL PROBLEMS BEFORE YOU COME AND BOTHER US.

BY THE WAY, HERE IN EUROPE, THAILAND MEANS FREE FOR ALL FOR WHORES AND PEDOPHILES. THEY DONT HAVE TEMPLES BUT LOTS OF ASS AND CUNTS TO SELL.

Anonymous said...

To Ah Lob 12:31
1. Remember what u said today..for the rest of ur life..until u die..!
U will see if PVH temple will belong to Khmer or not..!! U will see if you Thai thieves can steal PVH temple again or not..?? Remember...! Don't forget..!!
2. If u don't know why PVH temple is Khmer..I'd suggest you to study history more..!! But maybe ur Thaicong hitorians has clouded the truth for ages already..that's why you are so dump.
3. The easy access, nowadays, is at Thai side...It's true..!!I'm brave to accept that, but PVH was built in 11th century, which Khmer Empire was greatly spread to the south of current Malaysia..!!
You should not corwardly deny the truth..!!
Again, do not forget..until u die..u will see..!!
I'll remember what I said to you today as well..!!
U can come to see me at Yale if u're smart enough..!

Anonymous said...

HIDU TEMPLE? IT BELONGS TO INDIA?

I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAIS WERE STUPID BUT TO BE SO BRAINLESS LEAVES ME SOOEECHLESS.
NO WONDER THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE LEFT TO SELL IS THEIR ARSE! AS THE BBC LOVES TO CALL THE THAIS.

THE LAND OF THE BEAUTIFUL ARSE THAT SMILES AT YOU!!

Anonymous said...

LOL, the ignorant thai thinks he is so smart coming in here with his comments. Please do your research before you post any more dumb comments and making your people look dumb.

Khmers were hindus at the time preah vihear was built.

When preah vihear was built there was no thailand and the temple was within khmer empire.

So please don't be so stupid and do your research.

Anonymous said...

Do I give a fuck about ABC or BBC because the news writers wrote base on interpretation!

Cambodian temples do have a name and no news writers should called any Cambodian temple by general name such as Hindu temple to confuse the world community!

So tell me all you Thaicong mother fucker! Does it make any sense for Thailame who claimed to be a Buddhist country and yet fight Cambodia over a Hindu temple? Ahhahahah! When did any Thaicong practice Hinduism! All the Thaicong are fucken hypocrite and here they are practicing Buddhist religion and fight over Hindu temple and not a Buddhist temple!
So much for the Thaicong theory and logic!

Anonymous said...

POOR KHMERS suffering from the Khmer Rouge and day dreaming that they still have rights in everything they lost.

Anonymous said...

The great culture and religion of Khmer Empire (present Cambodia) has been influented by Indian Hinduism and Buddism at two main periods. Before Angkor era (prior 12th century BC) Khmer Empire believed and practiced Hinduism until late 12th century the Khmer King Jeyvaraman VII, under whose era Angkor Wat Temple was completely built, brought Buddism to his country.
At that time, Siam was just a small tribal country.
History can not be changed..!! Maybe you young Thais thieves has been spoiled by some of your historians, who are filled with blood of being thieves.
You 12:31 and 12:52..stop being cowards..!!

Anonymous said...

We are poor, but we get the temple. What do you rich thais get?

Anonymous said...

The guy quoted BBC reported that PVH is Hindu temple. What's wrong with him? He quoted the news.

Any evidences showing that Khmers built the PVH? And why the only practical access to PVH is in Thailand?

Anonymous said...

Rich thais get ladybies from around the world!!

Anonymous said...

We get Koh Kong & Concession deals for 99 years HAHAHA

Anonymous said...

also we got cheap & stupid labor forces and khmer prostitutes (bad quality though) in our land.

Anonymous said...

According to Thai historian Charnvit Kasetsiri of Thammasat University of Bangkok, Chulalongkuoy signed the 1904 treaty with France to prevent Siam from being colonized by Western Powers. It is the legal border between Thailand and Cambodia to this day. The world court awarded the temple and land to Cambodia in 1962.

Anonymous said...

poor khmers in thailand only steals, robs and sell sex for cheap money. live with it dude
it's true. i'm so fucking hate to see these bastards around in my country

Anonymous said...

1:30AM
"It is the legal border between Thailand and Cambodia to this day."
Who said so?

Even in 1962, when ICJ ruled that PVH belonged to Cambodia, ICJ acknowledged that there's a disputed area, known as overlapping area. That's why ICJ only awarded the "temple", not including its surrounding areas, to Cambodia.

Thus, the dispute area exists since 1904 and later on 1962 till today.

Do your research, man.

Anonymous said...

To 1:33AM

Yeah! That is what all the Thaicong want to say about dirt poor Cambodian people! The fact is I had been to Thailame and I have seen it all and there is no point of lying! Hey! Who can you blame when the corrupted Thaicong army allowed them in to pass on the AIDS to kill off the Thaicong population!ahhahahhahhahahha

OOOOOOH! All the Thaicong are rich and AH TIEN COW DUNGG is one of them! This is the first time that a Thaicong like Tien Dungg has such a short name!ahhahahhahhah Hey! Maybe AH TIEN DUNGG has such a short dick too!

Anonymous said...

the comment of the readers of Thai origin reflect deep ignorance and stupidity on the knowledge of Khmer culture.

Hindu Temple must be in quotes to try to discredit Khmer. Not realizing that Khmer as an empire evolved first and at its strongest point a Hindu empire, though Mahayanha Buddhist form exist in Khmer culture since the beginning of the 1st Century, it did not make its way into state religion until the later part of the empire's existence, you can see the transition from Angkor Thom.

Thus you are stupid and have no credential to speak on Khmer culture and civilization. We built that temple even before your ancestors complete your migration downward.

Who stole from who, the world can judge that. And it did once already in 1962.

So for your ingrates. Here's what I have to say to you who still insist:

you ingrate bastard. Living off the resources and heritage of Khmer civilization and today continues to be insolent and audacious. What a virulent creature without shame. A shat derechan (wild beast) hiding beneath the cloak of Buddhism. Agree to what? Don't you know Thailand acquiesced to the 1962 justice? You think an international court in 1962 was brought by Cambodian alone speaking by herself? Are you stupid?

A court decision has been made and that court decision held the authority of international stamp sealed on it. So you act today like Preah Vihear just got return back to Cambodia in 2008. How stupid.

Unfathomable ingrates! Your whole country can go and be ordain but your sin and the Kun you owe to Khmer people will never be finished. You ingrate barbarians.

This is the true definition of barbarians. People who come to steal other people's possessions and believe wholeheartedly and blindly that they deserve the rights.


Don't demand return of any land for Cambodia if you're not ready to accept the return of Thai sovereign to Khmer empire.

Byegone are bygones. So shut the fuck up and leave our land or face the consequences of the land mines.

Anonymous said...

That would be good if you Thais were learning about religion and history before making such statements. Hindu religion is the base of the buddhist religion which is common to Cambodia, Thailand, Laos and Myanmar.
Most of those temples were built under the Khmer Empire and if you look closely even at the temples in Thailand you would see the Khmer alphabet carved on it.
I just realized that the Thai are so upset as historically speaking there were not the dominant country in this region but the Khmer were.
Yes there was the downfall of the Khmer Empire and the Thai took over. But that is not a reason to claim what belongs rightfully to the Khmer people.
During the Khmer rouge regime, Thailand behaved like a scavenger and profited largely of Khmer resources: logggin, jems etc...So stop telling such things.
Talking about prostitutes and the rest, I think you should not be proud of your country.

Talking about history, Thai government is revisionist. Look at the period between 1000 and 1400 AC...and nothing will mention that at that time Thailand was ENTIRELY part of the Khmer Empire. Today most of the Thai have Cambodian ancestors...So it is like insulting yourself.

Anonymous said...

do not release until their gov't respect the icj verdict and the franco-siamese treaty of 1904 - 1907.

Anonymous said...

The news says it all::
The 11th-Century Hindu temple lies along the border between the two countries, but in 1962 the International Court of Justice judged that it belonged to Cambodia.
However the land surrounding the temple is still disputed, and the only practical access is from Thailand.

And now Khmers wants to play a hostage and release illegally?
do not release until their gov't respect the icj verdict and the franco-siamese treaty of 1904 - 1907

What a stupid & disgusting idea you guys have!

Anonymous said...

hy u cheap ¨siam, yu thik u rrich and better tan Cambodiiia? LOOK miloions of thai sell themselvesto the white to suck the white cock just to make a livig.

u people a slve toalaysia and to the whie selling fless from mothers to dahters

Anonymous said...

And in the end, there will be another coup detat in that faggot country. The faggot thais will be killing each other and their SENILE KING will probably die broken hearted.

No more time to waste on stupid thais. Bye bye faggot.

Anonymous said...

I just hope there is another coup. That way investors will move their money to cambodia instead.

Cambodia needs to send their troups into the disputed region as well. This way the thais would not have claim to that region.

Anonymous said...

12:52 AM

Listen up, you fucking asshole!

Why would the Hindu king build the temple in Cambodia.

This is our temple.

Next time you encroach into our territorial areas, we'll shoot you (no more hostages).

Anonymous said...

Khmer soldier should kill the intruders ,in so doing, the Thai will retaliate and kill the CPP who seek medical help from acid attack the other day .Hey ! i just figur it out and It's a win win strategy.

Anonymous said...

To 4:12AM

What did you just say mother fucker? What Hindu King? Ahhahahh
It is Khmer King stupid mother fucker! You don't even know your own history and yet you claimed to know about Khmer history!

The Thaicong are fucken hypocrite and here they are claimed to be Buddhist but they are fighting for a Hindu temple? It just doesn't make any sense! When did the Thaicong practice Hinduism?

I like to see the crazy Thaicong go around shooting Cambodian people because what happen to the Thaicong in Southern Thailand with the Muslim will happen to the Thaicong in Cambodia but the problem is the Cambodian are more 100 times powerful than the Muslim in Southern Thailame!

The Thaicong aggression is not rewarded by international community and Cambodia will use economic, diplomatic, and military to defeat the Thaicong aggressor!

Anonymous said...

Khmer in Issan must fight to get the monkey aggressors from Cambodia out of Issan Province hill top. Afterward, just throw their stinky bodies over the cliff to feed wild animals below.

Anonymous said...

To end this dispute,khmer and Thai should dynamite the temple ASAP.After all it's a junk anyway.

Anonymous said...

Thai have no historical connection to this temple. All they want is tourist dollars. Its easy for them to say blow up the temples because to them it is a bunch of rocks. Why should they care, their people did not build it.

On another note destroying khmer history would be beneficial to thais. For when the evidence is discarded it is easier to make their case.

Anonymous said...

DEAR ALL,

LET'S VOLUNTEER ALL KHMERS HERE IN CAMBODIA AND OVERSEA AND UNDER OUR CURRENT GOVERNMENT TO BE DEPLOYED AT PREAH VIHEAR AND DEFEND OUR COUNTRY AGAINST FOREIGN AGRESSION!!!
any feedback how to please post here.

Anonymous said...

THE ANSWER"WHY THE ONLY ACCESS IS FROM THAILAND",It is because there were no THAILAND back in those day,and the whole thailand was khmer empire territory.Did you thai kids had been taught the right history of the region and your thailand country?
Oh,that's right your leader are too ashame to teach their children about their true fact history,so they made one fake one up.Well,thai kids,seem like you can read english,you can read the true history about any corner of the world on-line,it is the fact one,not the fake one that produced by your leader and kings.If you thai kids want the temple back,come and get it,khmer need a place to destroy all the missiles we don't need.Oh yeah that's right thai is our superior in term of military might,we're khmer sooooooooo scareee,please come in!!!!

Anonymous said...

សារពី.....

បើសិនសៀម​នៅតែចង់មករំខាន​ទីដែលជាទីសក្ការៈ​របស់ខ្មែរ​តទៅ​ទៀត​ នោះប្រហែលជា​ទំនាយរបស់​ព្រះពុទ្ឋ​ជាម្ចាស់និងស្ដែងចេញឆាប់ៗ​ជាមិនខាន។

អ្នកត្រូវដឹងថា ការមករុកគួន​រំខានដល់​កន្លែង​ដែល​សាកសិទ្ឋ​​ហើយ​ដែលជា​ទីសក្ការៈ​របស់ខ្មែរតាំងតែ​ពី​យូរលុងណាស់មកហើយ នោះលទ្ធផលវា​នឹង​ទៅជាយ៉ាងណា?

Anonymous said...

Good point 9:18!

Enough is enough already!

These bastards disregarded the International Court of Justice as we've already witness, therefore they will never acknowledge or confess to the truth.

Stop wasting our breath by teaching them OUR history! The more we exploit our history the more they will use it to their advantage to teach their young one.

I have yet to see any of them explaining their existence or their history in great details.

Any Thais wants to rebuttal?

Anonymous said...

REBUTTAL MY ASS.

Anonymous said...

8:32 AM

Then what?

Who will benefit from Preah Vihear after the conflict?

Of course, the government. Also, there will be a major forcible evictions to clear for foreign investments.

After you spilled your blood for the benefit of the ruling party elite.

If the Cambodian army is strong, it won't allow the Thai troops pushing us around.

Not is the time for the Cambodian army to display its military strength (if anything left), or just potent with the weakest when it comes to land eviction.

Let's see what the government can do during this conflict.

We're willing to observe and learn what the government can do to solve this conflict.

We're waiting! Don't disapoint us.

Anonymous said...

5:35 AM
Hey, fuck you fucked head, asshole.

I like to personally to put a silver bullet in the back your brainless head.

Now, go and fuck your female dog, shit head.

Anonymous said...

8:32 AM

So you and watch!