Rasmei Kampuchea Daily
Translated from Khmer by Khmerization
The Unesco office in Bangkok thinks that it is “too late” for Thailand to oppose the listing of the Preah Vihear temple. Meanwhile, in Cambodia, the government has asked the Cambodian people to remain calm and not to do anything that would harm Thai interests in Cambodia.
On the 3rd of July many Thai newspapers reported that, after some Thai senators wrote a letter to Unesco requesting the suspension of the Preah Vihear listing, Unesco replied in a letter stating that it is “too late” for Thailand to oppose it.
The Bangkok Post daily has quoted Mr. Sheldon Staeffer (spelling?), chairman of Unesco in Thailand, as saying in the letter that the formal agreement and the joint communiqué to list the Preah Vihear temple had already been signed by Thai Foreign Minister Noppadon Pattama and Cambodian Deputy Prime Minister Sok An in Paris on the 22nd of June 2008. All the agreements and the joint communiqué had already been forwarded to the World Heritage Committee for consideration and final approval.
Mrs Vimon Phornpitwatchai (spelling?), advisor to the Thai Journalist Association, said that Thailand and Cambodia had signed many agreements and joint communiqué already, especially the communiqué signed on the 18th of June. She said that the Unesco reply clearly confirmed that “your objection is too late”. As for the decision of the Thai Administrative Court ordering the Thai government to suspend its support for the listing, it is an internal matter of Thailand. She said that Foreign Minister Noppadon must take full responsibility and must resign.
Spokesman for the Thai Foreign Ministry said that the agreement signed by Mr Noppadon on the 22nd of June was not a formal agreement because it was only an agreement on the meaning of the texts. The same spokesman said: “All ministers agreed that what Mr. Noppdan signed was only an agreement on the draft of the texts before the cabinet approved it, so what power does he have to formalise the agreement? In my opinion, if the agreement was signed before the approval of the cabinet, that agreement is invalid.”
Reactions In Cambodia To The Thai Opposition To The Listing Of Preah Vihear
Mr. Son Chhay, MP from the Sam Rainsy Party, on 3rd of July has asked the Cambodian government to react on the international stage on what he called Thailand’s interference in the sovereignty of Cambodia and Thailand’s violations of Cambodian borders in the vicinity of the Preah Vihear temple complex. He has called on the Cambodian government to stop any border negotiations with Thailand. He said that there must be international participation in any border negotiations in order to ensure that the territorial integrity of Cambodia is respected. He had asked that any negotiations should be facilitated by the UN or by the co-chairmen (France and Indonesia) of the Paris Peace agreements.
Translated from Khmer by Khmerization
The Unesco office in Bangkok thinks that it is “too late” for Thailand to oppose the listing of the Preah Vihear temple. Meanwhile, in Cambodia, the government has asked the Cambodian people to remain calm and not to do anything that would harm Thai interests in Cambodia.
On the 3rd of July many Thai newspapers reported that, after some Thai senators wrote a letter to Unesco requesting the suspension of the Preah Vihear listing, Unesco replied in a letter stating that it is “too late” for Thailand to oppose it.
The Bangkok Post daily has quoted Mr. Sheldon Staeffer (spelling?), chairman of Unesco in Thailand, as saying in the letter that the formal agreement and the joint communiqué to list the Preah Vihear temple had already been signed by Thai Foreign Minister Noppadon Pattama and Cambodian Deputy Prime Minister Sok An in Paris on the 22nd of June 2008. All the agreements and the joint communiqué had already been forwarded to the World Heritage Committee for consideration and final approval.
Mrs Vimon Phornpitwatchai (spelling?), advisor to the Thai Journalist Association, said that Thailand and Cambodia had signed many agreements and joint communiqué already, especially the communiqué signed on the 18th of June. She said that the Unesco reply clearly confirmed that “your objection is too late”. As for the decision of the Thai Administrative Court ordering the Thai government to suspend its support for the listing, it is an internal matter of Thailand. She said that Foreign Minister Noppadon must take full responsibility and must resign.
Spokesman for the Thai Foreign Ministry said that the agreement signed by Mr Noppadon on the 22nd of June was not a formal agreement because it was only an agreement on the meaning of the texts. The same spokesman said: “All ministers agreed that what Mr. Noppdan signed was only an agreement on the draft of the texts before the cabinet approved it, so what power does he have to formalise the agreement? In my opinion, if the agreement was signed before the approval of the cabinet, that agreement is invalid.”
Reactions In Cambodia To The Thai Opposition To The Listing Of Preah Vihear
Mr. Son Chhay, MP from the Sam Rainsy Party, on 3rd of July has asked the Cambodian government to react on the international stage on what he called Thailand’s interference in the sovereignty of Cambodia and Thailand’s violations of Cambodian borders in the vicinity of the Preah Vihear temple complex. He has called on the Cambodian government to stop any border negotiations with Thailand. He said that there must be international participation in any border negotiations in order to ensure that the territorial integrity of Cambodia is respected. He had asked that any negotiations should be facilitated by the UN or by the co-chairmen (France and Indonesia) of the Paris Peace agreements.
44 comments:
It is criminal for UNESCO to register the Khmer-Issan's temple to Fake Khmer in Cambodia.
11:08...dude you're killing me here...
Please don't use the word Khmer-Issan, you should call yourself Thai-Issan.
His mother must be under age when she born him (11:08 AM) .
he suond so dump , dump ass
Thai is the theif country steal our khmer culture. where is your water festival from where is your king family from? yes even murder king that kill his own brother is a khmer blood.
khmer unite to burn out the thai embassy and kill all thai theive s in glory cambodia!!!
Ah NanChao piece of shit 11:08, just shut the f*ck up fool. If you are a person of a Khmer origin, then SLAP your own face a million times and remind your shitty self to understand what Khmer really is. Khmer in Thailand are simply subjugated people, just as the Khmer in Ah Srok Youn. The only independent Khmer are those in Cambodia the original heartland of the Khmer people. So get your fact straight ah pler. So if the Khmer people in the original Khmer heartland are "fake", what does that make the Khmer in a far-away place like Issan like then? you stupid jerk! Go back to NanChao and stop claiming to be of the Khmer people, you stupid NanChao shitty face! In addition hasn't ah Liev already claim Issan as their own territory, fool? So where are the Khmer issan? I bet they can't even speak Khmer, let alone read the Khmer scripts carved out on the Preah Vihear Temple itself.
Long Live Cambodia and Khmer People. Don't let the thief gets our other property. We have lost enough. Thai (Siam) has no shameful. They are bornas thieves. May God destroy whosoever want to steal other people property and sovereignty.
If they say, they are Khmer-Issan, that mean they accept Thailand as Khmer Land. Isan means East. Khmer-Issan mean Khmer East. The geographical location where they stay is west to present Cambodia. So if they are not ignorant or stupid, they accept Thailand is Khmer land.
Not even Khmer where is East vs West, and claim oneself Khmer-Issan
So if they claim that they are Khmer Isan, why don't they break away from Thailand and join the Khmer then they will be able to have share with the Prasat Vihear.
Khmer Isan needs to rise up and declare an autonomy for itself.
Or join Khmer!!!
There is absolutely no such thing as Khmer-Issan. Maybe Issan (Lao) in Thai's daily usage in referrence to Laotion. Khmer is KHMER!!!!
Are you saying there is no such thing as Issan province? What planet are you from?
Issan province was one of Khmer province, but no longer. The Khmer who live there is called Khmer-Issan for short, instead of calling Khmer in Issan Province, but you can call them Thai if you like from the fact they are citizen of Thailand. However, they are not Thai by blood, or by appearance. True Thai looks more like Chinese, and you know what Chinese looks like, right?
Khmer-Issan is a derogatory term for Khmer in Thailand just like Issan uses to categorize Laotian in Thailand. It has no associate with the term Khmer.
There are Khmer-Surin and Khmer Krom uses by Khmer to categorize fellow Khmer in Thailand and in Vietnam. But no such word as Khmer-Issan. And if there is Khmer-Issan, then it is only for Khmer-Laotion ( Khmer-Issan). This is because Issan typically referral to Laotian in Thailand controlled.
Thai is so ridiculous. What a GREEDY Thai nation on earth!!! Cunning government, they are trying to play their politic so hot and it lower its reputation to the world.
Who is greedy, 9:06? The temple is on the mountain in Issan province, not in Cambodia.
9:00, the real world is not a textbook. So stop bullshitting. No one ever said that you can't abbreviate your writing by calling those people who has Khmer's blood and live in Issan province, "Khmer-Issan".
Forget those Khmer-Issan shiet. They are Thai/Siam. They are as greed, rude, and blood thirsty as normal Thais. Remember they weren't nice to us when we were living in the refugee camp. Matter of fact, they were even more cruel and ruthless to fellow Khmers.
Khmer-Issan is not Khmer, but Thai/Siam. If they considered themselves Khmer why don’t they protest against Thailand government when Khmers are killed Thai border guard around the border and why not support Khmer by protesting against Thai government when they refused to support Khmer to list the temple on the UNESCO?
So this means that Khmer-Issan is a hypocrite and a liar.
9:18 PM
If you know the answer why do you ask?
By the way I visited Issan province it was full of Issan inhabitants...
Zzzzz...
huh oh yea Issanland ...
Zzzzz...
Have you been to Orlando Florida, Mickey mouse?
Hahaha...!!!
Well, what do you expect, when you used the French infidel to steal temple and land from them, 9:23?
Leave Issan alone, will ya?
Don't put them between the fight.
They don't care about Temple.
Sure, but not when you are dirt poor.
Let me add my comment. Khmer surin and Khmer Krom have always maintained their tie with mother Cambodia, the heartland of the original Khmer people. So now there is this one Ah Nan Chao Siem who claims that Preah Vihear should belong to the Khmer Issan people in the Issan region? If this person is of a Khmer origin, then this one person is one cheap bastard who has no Khmer pride and dignity. Why would a person of a Khmer origin be arguing for the foreign DOMINATION over the Khmer ruins, region, and people for???? I simply don't get it, unless they are the SLAVES of Ah Nan Chao Siems who stole and grabbed land from the Khmer people. I am really surprise that in this day and age, I still see some people who claim to be of Khmer origin arguing for Ah Siem domination over the Khmer people and territory. This is STUPIDITY at its best manifestation. Just like someone said, if you are truly "Khmer Issan", then you need to start behaving like Khmer Surin and Khmer Krom people. That is you must REASSERT your Khmer pride and dignity and reclaim your AUTONOMY and INDEPENENCE and stand proud and tall so that the Khmer in Cambodia can be proud of you. You must reunite with Mother Cambodia if you are a true Khmer Issan. You must STOP dismembering the Khmer territory for the foreign domination. This message also go to the Khmer people in the South of Laos. If you still claiming to be of the Khmer origin, you need to stand up and reclaim your Khmerhood and Khmer humanity and you must look to the Khmer in Cambodia as your source of inspiration of what it means to be Independent and Free. Stop slaving for ah Nan Cho Siems, ah Nan Chao Lievs, and ah Red Delta Youns. Enough is enough. Khmer must united and reclaim our Khmer nation and Khmerhood and Khmer glory. If 2000 years ago we ruled over Southeast Asia, this means that it is in our genes to rise up and be a force to be recoken with in the region once again.
If a stupid hot war will break in this region of southeast asia it is the stupid siamese that spark it and that it will kill hundreds of thousands men, women, children from both sides. Siamese arrogance shall be broken.
Nonsense, 1:20, Ah Khmer-Yuon had no tied with Cambodia. When we supported the Vietcong in the Vietnam war, they killed many of us. They couped our King and got everyone fucked big time.
Ah Khmer-Yuon only pretended to be close to us because their relationship with their protectorate sours, and that is not the case with Khmer in Issan.
Hypothetically, if we managed to take the ancient territory back from Vietnam, do you really think Ah Khmer-Yuon will let us governed it? Not in the million years, they will waged war against us for their land back, and be independence from us. So stop the bullshit, will you?
i bet you they(siem thugs) had disagreed with the icj verdict, cambodia and france, and the rest of the world for that matter. i bet you they will disagree with unesco, too. i guess they wanted to play their own rule and nothing else is really matter to them except thailand and their siem thugs nation of criminals. i guess that says a lot about them people. how could the world take anything their official signed seriously? for all the world it will be just another siem joke, i guess. thus, the world can not let siem thugs decide anything on their own. maybe the entire world should unite and colonize thailand so everybody will have something to say about this criminal talent show of them. and they consider themselves smart and clever? not anymore, says cambodia and the world community poll. god bless cambodia.
khmer people,
The jews when through alot like us khmer. But they alway suppose each other, alway united. We must learn from them. We must stand together, and must never forget our home land, our culture.
The jews nowaday are very wealthy, very stable. I am no jealous of the jews, but happy for them. And I want to see the same for all khmer and khmer land not lost anymore to these thief like thai and vietnam and laos ( laos now controll by vietnam )
khmer people are victims of pol pot, but are also victims of neighboring countrys and the so called "democratic country and communist country " like china for ex.
please check out on youtube the " betrayal of cambodia ". And pass the word around for some history lesson.
Thanks
the siem thugs says: but my gov't signed the treaties which i don't agree with. icj and unesco says, tough luck; it's not cambodia's problem. law is law! god bless cambodia.
Oh yes, it is Cambodia problem when it possesses Khmer property that don't belong to them.
Here is a history of the Khmer people in Thailand and Khmer in Issan. Actually, Issan is strictly referring to Ah Liev, not Khmer. Here read it below:
"The Khmer in Thailand is one of the minority groups. The Khmer is a long-time inhabitants of Thailand. By the midfifteenth century, much of the western region of the Khmer Empire had come under the control of the Thai. As a result, the defeated Khmer peoples remained in the area had come under Thai domination. Theravada Buddhists and wet-rice cultivators, the Khmer spoke a language of the Mon-Khmer group and were heirs to a long and complex political and cultural tradition. Since Khmer language was discouraged by the Thai government, many of the long-resident Khmer speak Thai as a first language, and religious and other similarities contributed over time to Thai-Khmer intermarriage and to Khmer assimilation into Thai society.
Isan is the northeastern region of Thailand. In Isan, Khmer (the language of Cambodia) is widely spoken in regions near the Cambodian border (Buriram, Surin, and Sisaket). However, most of the Isan population is of Lao origin, and the region's incorporation into the modern Thai state has been largely successful. Isan is Thailand’s poorest region. The main language of the region is Isan, which is similar to Lao. Considered by some to be a dialect of Laotian, but written in the Thai alphabet Isan is among the Chiang Seng and Lao-Phutai languages, which are members of the Tai languages of the Tai-Kadai language family. Central Thai Thai is also spoken, with regional accents, by almost everyone.
The Isan region was a part of the Khmer empire, which left temples at Phimai and Phanom Rung. However, after the Khmer empire began to decline from the 13th century, Isan was dominated by the Lao Lan Xang kingdom, that had been established by Fa Ngum. Thereafter the region was increasingly settled by Lao and Thai migrants. Siam held sway from the 17th century, and carried out forced population transfers from Laos to Isan in the 18th and 19th centuries. Franco-Siamese treaties of 1893 and 1904 made Isan the frontier between Siam and French Indochina.
In the 20th century a policy of "Thaification" promoted the incorporation of Isan as an integral part of Thailand and de-emphasised the Lao origins of the population. This policy extended to the use of the name "Isan" itself: the name is derived from that of Iśāna (Sanskrit: ईशान), a manifestation of Shiva as deity of the northeast, and the Sanskrit word for northeast. The name therefore reinforces the area's identity as the northeast of Thailand, rather than as a part of the Lao world. Before the central government forcibly introduced the Thai alphabet and language in schools, the people of Isan wrote in the Lao alphabet. Most Isan people still speak the Isan language which is closely related to the Lao language."
So what make you think that the Khmer in Issan province doesn't deserve their temple? Is it because they married to Chinese Thai and Lao? It is because they speak Issan and Thai? What? tell me, tell me.
Listen Ah Nan Chao Siems. Legally, the temple belongs to the Khmer of Cambodia. Just like the Khmer islands that the French ceded to Ah Red Delta Youns. It is a legal treaty. Khmer can't claim it back. In addition, despite the fact that you claim to be a descendant of the Khmer people, you are still not independent of ah Nan Chao Siems. Come to Ankgor Wat and see and read what the Khmer elders in the time of Angkor described ah Nan Chao Siems. As long as you are still a subjugated Khmer under the thumbs of Ah Nan Chao Siems, the temple is never be free of ah Nan Chao Siem's domination. The temple is of the Khmer, by the Khmer, and for the Khmer only, not for ah Nan Chao Siem domination. F*ck you ah lop.
No, it doesn't. The Khmer of Cambodia doesn't know shit about that area. It belongs to the Khmer of Issan province.
Cambodia control the area and we have the documents stating that it belongs to us, so you can keep talking if it makes you happy.
Thai historian Charnvit mentioned that Preah Vihear was given to France by Chulalongkorn in order to preserve the rest of Thailand from being a western colony!
I'm a real kol botr Khmer surin and I know that Charnvit is a respectable Thai historian currently a professor at Thammasat University in Bangkok.
I support 100% our brothers in Cambodia!
Phom pen chao Thai "Kamen jag jangwat Surin" phom kho rong hai chao Thai leuad Kamen tuk tuk kon samaki gub pinong khong rao tee prathet Kamphucha.
So what? Thailand gave the temple to France to save the rest of its country. It did not need to do that with Cambodia.
Hey ah 1:14, so what ah Nan Chao Siems lost their ancestral to Mongol destroyers. It had nothing to do with the Chinese. Now can you pack up and get off Angkor territory and move back to your ancestral land of Nan Chao. Hhaha.
1:14 PM
It's so non sense what you said.
France are not interested in Temples.
For any Khmer people to claim anything and they must claim behind the Khmer government and not behind the Thaicong government!
The Thai government is Khmer government. Who know what the government in Cambodia is; they have everything but hardly any Khmer there. I mean African, Mongolian, Egyptian, ..., you name it.
ahah Ah 6:00 you complete lost it, ah pler. If Thai government is Khmer government then why are you stinking face arguing for? Because according to you what belongs to Thai government also belongs Khmer government as well. So ah Nan Chao Siem is ah pler ot daek dak. Hahhaa.
Hey, who do you propose to govern over 25 millions Khmers in Thailand? Who do you propose to govern over 500 thousand Khmers in the US? Who do you propose to govern over 200 thousands Khmer in Australia, ... ? Don't tell me the Cambodian government.
Independent Khmer are in Cambodia, the Motherland of all Khmer people, ah pler.
There are 25 millions Khmers in Thailand and they can't be independent???? In Cambodia, there are only 14 millions Khmers and we are freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
The Khmers in Thailand are spineless people and allow such lowly people like the Nan Chao Siems to rule over them, brainwash them, and they are happy to be slaves of the Nan Chao Siems. This is pathetic. The Khmer of Cambodia should never get united with these kinds of spineless group of Khmer, because they are such lowly people that they will contaminate our glorious genes.
We don't want to be independent, Ah Jkout (12:10). We love it here.
Who ask you to united with us (Khmer in Issan,) you stupid Fake. We just want our temple back. It is not yours. It belong to us who built it.
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