Soldiers and monks lean against a rusty gun emplacement near Preah Vihear temple.By Heng Reaksmey, VOA Khmer
Original report from Phnom Penh
06 August 2008
Cambodia and Thailand plan to hold bilateral talks Aug. 18 to discuss the continued military stand-off at Preah Vihear temple, Prime Minister Hun Sen said Wednesday.
In a three-hour public speech, his first since the national election, Hun Sen said Cambodians were "lucky" to have him as prime minister in the crisis. Another prime minister would have led to the country to war, he said.
Hun Sen warned Cambodians not to discriminate against Thai products over the border feud, saying instead the countries were working together to "narrow" the problems and "expand" the relationship.
The border row, which began July 15, sparked latent nationalism on both sides, and following a build-up of troops a pamphlet circulated in Cambodian markets calling for a boycott on Thai goods.
Similar nationalist fervor in 2003 led to the burning of the Thai Embassy and the sacking of many Thai businesses in Phnom Penh.
However, officials say the situation on the border has remained calm, with soldiers often mingling together, despite fortified positions and the deployment of artillery, rockets and armored personnel carriers.
A Foreign Ministry spokesman said the Aug. 18 talks would be held at a resort in Thailand.
Thailand has promised to remove troops from the conflict area next week, spokesman Sin Buntheoun said.
In a three-hour public speech, his first since the national election, Hun Sen said Cambodians were "lucky" to have him as prime minister in the crisis. Another prime minister would have led to the country to war, he said.
Hun Sen warned Cambodians not to discriminate against Thai products over the border feud, saying instead the countries were working together to "narrow" the problems and "expand" the relationship.
The border row, which began July 15, sparked latent nationalism on both sides, and following a build-up of troops a pamphlet circulated in Cambodian markets calling for a boycott on Thai goods.
Similar nationalist fervor in 2003 led to the burning of the Thai Embassy and the sacking of many Thai businesses in Phnom Penh.
However, officials say the situation on the border has remained calm, with soldiers often mingling together, despite fortified positions and the deployment of artillery, rockets and armored personnel carriers.
A Foreign Ministry spokesman said the Aug. 18 talks would be held at a resort in Thailand.
Thailand has promised to remove troops from the conflict area next week, spokesman Sin Buntheoun said.
27 comments:
No brain Hun Sen is on the loose again. With another government we would solve Thai problem in front of the UN long time ago. But you and your party are Youn dick sucker.
The usual self praising, for a third grade 50 y-o man it's no surprise at all.
By the way boycotting the Thai product is up to each individual Khmer.
So what you going to do about that monkey?
Haha! look at ah chicken Hun Sen freaking out to Thai.
Ah Hun Sen should be resigned from that job,Hun Sen has no gut with Thai and Viet Hun Sen not khmer Hun Sen is slave of foreigners,Ah HUN SEN stepping down ah lob!
Encore ce chien galeux de Hun Sen. C'est vrai qu'un chien ça sait pas réfléchir, il fait que japper un tas de conneries. Va te faire foutre par ah Youn, fils de pute.
The Helpless People: What Cambodians Owe Their Nation and Heroes
Cambodians once again made shameful decisions on the 2008 general elections that will potentially lead to the end of Cambodian history and sovereignty
By: A. Christopher Windsor
London, 28th July, 2008
It was a shame when I read a news article about Cambodian general elections in 2008 and found out that the majority of Cambodians (who were able to vote) voted for a dictator once again. The difference that Cambodian voters made in the recent elections was that they provided almost two-third of the parliamentary seats to the corrupt and unpatriotic party, namely CPP.
What do these results show us? Simply, the more you educate them, the more irrational they become. One should never blame the lack of education for such destructive results of the 2008 elections. Recently, we have seen the improvement in education of human rights and democracy principles. For example, the public forums and human rights trainings conducted by Cambodian Center for Human Rights (CCHR) and other organisations have been tremendously effective and have increased the understanding of human rights and democracy in Cambodia.
In addition to that, the outreach of internet has also helped Cambodians living in the city to better understand the outside world and see where the world has been up to. Globalization, on its positive side, has also provided more information to urban Cambodians about the other countries' economies and living standards, compared to which the Cambodian living standard is way below. These are all the advantages that urban Cambodians, namely Phnom Penh residents, have to exploit to make better decisions. Unexpectedly, these people with higher education and better understanding of the outside world made the worst decisions compared to other people across the country. As shown in the unofficial results, CPP has gained more supports in Phnom Penh, the capital of Cambodia—where we would expect better outcomes.
Now let me ask, do you think that the lack of education really played a role in these destructive results? To me, it is obvious that the poor, uneducated countryside voters have stood up for and demanded democracy and change in their homeland more than do the educated Phnom Penh voters. It is also difficult to blame the uneducated for the fact that some of their votes were bought. After all, they are poor and they have the reason to sell their votes for money only to feed their family for one day and ignore the fact that their country will be forever in the dark future. But Phnom Penh voters cannot use the same excuse for the fact that they gave the opportunity to CPP to destroy their homeland.
Who to blame?
Yes, the elections were not transparent. Some votes were bought. Some voters were threatened. And, according to recent news reports, some voters' names were removed from the lists, resulting in an unusually low turnout. However, I would like you to pay attention to the number of votes that CPP received. Do you think CPP could get these many votes only by frauds? I do not think so. It is true that frauds existed in these elections, but without frauds, do you think the
opposition parties, namely HRP and SRP, could together win these élections? I do not think so. CPP would have won the majority seats but probably not as many.
Why do I think so? There are a lot of irrational voters out there who would always ruin the efforts of democracy lovers to pull this nation out of the current darkness. These voters tend to be those who live in the urban areas. They have better living standards and tend to forget that their living standards would be much higher if their country were developed. They have the option to migrate to another country when Cambodia is totally ruined. This group of Cambodian citizens also has acceptable levels of education. With these levels of education—which are not too low but not very high either—these people believe that they are so educated and that therefore they need not to listen to anyone. These people tend to believe that there is nothing beyond their knowledge. What is so sad is that their knowledge is so low.
The followings are what these people believe and why they are wrong:
Cambodia just got out of a huge civil war and it takes time for this country to recover. Why they are wrong: It has been almost 30 years—long enough for any economy to recover if its government is really working. Let us take Japan as an example. The country suffered from the destructive World War II, which was way more destructive than any civil wars Cambodia has ever suffered from. From the 1960s to the 1980s, not too long from the end of WWII, the overall of the Japanese real economic growth has been called a miracle. It did not take Japan longer 30 years to recover its economy and become the world's second biggest economy. We do not have that high expectation for Cambodia, but at least this nation should have shown some real improvement.
Cambodia has a growth rate of 11%; does it not mean Hun Sen government is doing a good job? Why they are wrong: Yes, CPP is doing a good job in bringing money to its elites' pockets. Yes, the growth rate is 11%, but the inflation rate has already hit 18%. What does this mean? Wake up, Cambodians. This means you are poorer. Even if you make twice as much as you did before, but if goods and services are three times more expensive, it means you are poorer. I am also sure that the 11% growth is distributed only among rich CPP members while the 18% inflation affects all Cambodians, including those who voted for CPP.
"I'm voting for a different reason this time - my choice is for a government that can protect Preah Vihear temple," 76 year-old Hok Hour in Phnom Penh's Chamkarmon district quoted in a Phnom Penh Post article. The old man, with not much brain, voted for CPP as he thought this party will protect the temple. Why they are wrong: First, let me ask, how could such an old person with life experience be so brainless? Can you not see that the Preah Vihear issue was a trick Hun Sen played to get votes from such brainless voters? You want a government that can protect Preah Vihear temple but not the Cambodia-Vietnam boarder? What would you do with Preah Vihear temple if the land you were living in was taken away from you? A democratic government would be able to protect not only Preah Vihear temple but all of Cambodian territory.
CPP has built roads, bridges and schools. Why they are wrong: If Cambodia had a better government, the number of roads, bridges and schools built would go up by not twice but 10 times at least. Cambodia accepts a large amount of foreign aid and money from loans. In the case of foreign aid, Cambodian citizens do not have to worry about paying back. In the case loans, however, they all have to pay back. So, watch out, Cambodians! Most of this money does not go to development, but it instead goes to the pockets of CPP members. While the benefits Cambodians receive from such loans are very minimal, they will have to pay back these loans in full amount—plus interest rates in some cases.
By making such shameful decisions, what do these voters owe their nation and hero?
What Cambodians owe their nation
Because of the lack of both social and economic development, Cambodia is potentially heading to the end of its history. As citizens, Cambodians have the legal and moral obligations to prevent this from happening. Unfortunately, as shown in the recent election results, most Cambodians chose not to. Instead, Cambodians chose to indirectly destroy the land that gave life to them. If anything bad happens to Cambodia in the future, we are to blame no one, but Cambodians.
The Vietnamese's fault? The Thais' fault? No. It is all Cambodians' fault. The Vietnamese and the Thais are not smart, but Cambodians are brainless. Cambodia is the only original nation of the Golden Land that is strong enough to survive from its neighbors' invasions. This nation protected itself from losing its sovereignty so that the current generation of Cambodia could live in its homeland peacefully. Unfortunately, the current Cambodians do not take into account the good this nation has offered them.
Only one day before I wrote this paper, Cambodians chose to take a convenient way to the destruction of their nation. They chose to ignore the great values their nation has always offered them. Surprisingly, these Buddhist Cambodians chose not to pay back what they owed their nation. Such an act is against Buddhist philosophy, which believes that you should always pay back what you owe. But who cares?—when the nation is destroyed, its religion will also be destroyed. Cambodians only took a shortcut to such destruction.
What Cambodians owe their heroes
The spirits of patriotic kings, such as Jayavarman II and Jayavarman VII, deserve an explanation from Cambodians who voted for CPP. These kings sacrificed their lives and their happiness to build a nation known as the Khmer Empire, the greatest power in South East Asia from the early 12th century to the early 13th century. If we look at the current situation of Cambodia, their lives have been sacrificed for nothing. I am sure that when these kings gave their lives to serve this nation, they did not know that their people would one day give this nation to the hands of an unpatriotic leader, such as Hun Sen.
When the Khmer Rouge captured Phnom Penh, the Khmer Republic troops fought until the last drops of their blood to prevent communism from spreading into this historic capital city. The spirits of these troops also deserve an explanation from CPP voters. These troops fought against not only the Khmer Rouge but also the communist Vietnam. Today, their children and grandchildren have forgotten all of their efforts. This current generate has already given the power to a pro-Vietnamese government.
The worst is that this current generation has also ignored the recent hero who was imprisoned not too long ago. I need not to mention his name as we should all know who he is. This human rights activist decided not to leave his nation and Cambodians behind. He sacrificed his own wellbeing to protect freedom of speech for Cambodian citizens. And sure enough, these people have already forgotten him and his patriotic act. Someone told me that if you do not forget your people they will never forget you. This is apparently wrong in the case of Cambodian CCP voters.
How many people have been killed by the current government? Did they already forget monks and protestors who were attacked and killed by the government force in 1998? Did they not remember the FUNCINPEC troops who were killed during the 1997 coup? Some reporters and the former Labour Union leader Chea Vichea were killed, leaving sorrow for their families and friends. What did these people sacrifice for? It was all of Cambodians, wasn't it? Is that how Cambodians pay them back, by voting for the person who killed these heroes?
What do CPP voters owe these people?
Their lives.
To those who voted for CPP: You owe your nation and heroes. And you owe them big. Cambodians who voted for CPP are betrayers. They betrayed not only their nation and heroes, but also themselves. They will have to pay back and we will see this when the corrupt government takes their land away, cuts down trees and ruins the whole economy.
My last words: Who am I to tell you all of these? Well, I am no one. I am only a British economist who happens to have been to Cambodia many times (Cambodia is like my second home). I have once fallen in love with this country and its culture. Please excuse my language and any mistakes I might have made in this paper as I wrote it out of anger and disappointment.
He Hun Sen is so tough with his people. Now he get a chance to prove that is not so tough with other people again.
Khmer farmer: the Thai has recently learned about the Cambodian leaders' weak points after the borders recent spat. Further, Preah Vihear and Ta Moan temples have been tested, yet there were no draconian measures taken. However, my question is "what on their (Thai government) next plate?"
Again, the Thai has tested the ability of our leaders for swift response to the complexity of the situation; consequently, our leaders have demonstrated their alarmingly tenuous pregnability.
Hun Sen, what tafuck are you doing, dude? As a prime minister of the country you must protect that country and her people. You can’t let your neighbor walk all over your country like that. Why are you so hard on your people? And why are you so soft on your neighbor? Are you sure you not a Thai citizen?
SWOT Analyse
win-thai
Stength
we are stronger because most of military support is from individual's private property-means we are rich no need government budget.
Siams use govt budget to supply army.
Human resources- a lot of Generals-Phd. Excellencies- Co-ministers/Primeministers/ a lot of Kings/Samdachs..Oknhas
Budget: unlimited- collecting from people/monks/poors
Military strength- qualified/ mostly ghost soldiers (invisible)-many Generals
Margic Spell/Black margic: very effective- one thai army died may be due AIDS
Financial resources: land/govt. , any stateowned properties buildings/ heritage natural resources can be sold quickly to buy weapons without any parliamentary Approval ...
Power- handed only one strong man/ every thing can be decided fast...
Political Parties: no need to oppose any govermental decision
Infrastructure-very poor- makes rhais army difficult to move into Cam-territory
Economy: Low- Thais have nothing to eat when invade into Cam....
Weakness:N/A
Oppoertuny- unknown
Treat: uncountable/unknown
Conclusdion- Cam wins Siams unconditionally
Excellency Dr. Bandit Oknha Achar Knoy- Phd. in multi-disciplinary Subjects: Poli/Multi-econom. Laws /From Chea Chamreourn Unviersity PPenh/Campuchia
“Hun Sen warned Cambodians not to discriminate against Thai products over the border feud”
Oh well! Now that Cambodian election is over and it will be business as usual for AH HUN SEN dictator and more land grabbing, more corruption, more intimidation, more killing, more, and more of AH HUN SEN fucken bullshit! AH HUN SEN chicken shit doesn’t need to warn Cambodian people of anything regarding the Thaicong violation of Cambodian sovereignty! The fact is AH HUN SEN has more at steak in business venture with the Thaicong and the Vietcong than any Cambodian people!
If AH HUN SEN mother fucker love the Thaicong products so much and why don’t he buy those Thaicong products! I didn’t know that AH HUN SEN mother fucker love to buy product from a fucken Thaicong thieves who are stealing Cambodian land and Cambodian temple right now! In most civilize country, it is a crime to buy product from a thief!
The act of stealing is a crime and the act of buy products from a thief is also a crime and that make AH HUN SEN mother fucker a fucken criminal! So AH HUN SEN needs to keep his criminal behavior to himself and he has no right to tell Cambodian people what they want to do with their personal freedom!
Prah viharn, Prasat Tamuan, Cham sagnam and Koh Kong Halek etc.. de jure and de facto belong to thailand because more percent of thais people have chance to visit the sites, and all modern infrastructure/raod are well connected from Thailand and mostly are constructed and developed by Thailand.
Kham do nothing with those prasats...letf them lonelyspare for long time.
Chatchai
Oh common guys and girls, don't blame our PM, he was a peacefull nobel award, and he Phd graduated and many Phd certificates. He is not brain less, but he abolutely lobster brain hahaha. That why he difficult to devide between brain and shit....
Hun Sen and other senior govt officials make some business with siam peoples without taking care the Cambodia territory!!! DOG HUN SEN! CHIEN HUN SEN! THE TRAITOR TO THE NATION! NON-NEGOTIABLE WITH THE SIAM ON THE BORDER!
God blesses Cambodia and our people!
To 10:37AM
Who is telling you Thaicong mother fucker to do anything on Cambodian soil and don't you Thaicong mother fucker know anything better to do thing not being told because Cambodian can build all modern infrastructure/road from Cambodia too to attract tourists!
This is the heart of the fucken Thaicong-Cambodian conflict and the fucken Thaicong think that they know too much more than Cambodian and they like to go ahead do thing to violate Cambodian sovereignty to gain economic over Cambodia and then they try to claim their righteousness!
Fuck you Thaicong mother fucker and if you are not asked to do anything and you Thaicong mother fucker need to stay on your side of the border and no thank for your shitty infrastructure and road! Your fucken Thaicong roads are no more than a new Thaicong borderline in disguise aiming to steal Cambodian land!
It is the nature of the Thaicong to lie, to cheat, and to steal!
Prah viharn, Prasat Tamuan, Cham sagnam and Koh Kong Halek etc.. de jure and de facto belong to thailand because more percent of thais people have chance to visit the sites, and all modern infrastructure/raod are well connected from Thailand and mostly are constructed and developed by Thailand.
Kham do nothing with those prasats...letf them lonelyspare for long time.
Chatchai
Cha-cha-cha.
Can you stop fooling around with your broken English?
It's sad and shameful to see people still vote for Ah Hun. This animal is a former Khmer Rouge everyone knew that. Cambodians will suffer for another five years under this stupid leader.
Siem and Yuon will share half by half kampuchea
Chatchai
First,the Thai invaded and occupy Cambodia,a move that should provoke a FULL SCALE war, but HUN SEN is so afraid of the THAI.Now, he took all the credit for his cowardliness.It's very shameful to be khmer in the eyes of Thai's public opinion.They may already think we are the pure loosers race.
because you have the son-of-bitch PM. Ah Hun sen
Chatchai
Siamo-Viet Co-cololonsation....kampuchia
sorry I am strong only with my country men...with my Siam-Viet firends sorry........
These are small fishes having fun.
Hello from China. Miamm... I will have fish for lunch.
LOL.
Ah Sen knows what tree (S) he can bark at. If he barked at the wrong tree, he and the rest of his administration will collapse. That's why is kowtowing the Thai to protect his personal interests (not the people).
Khmer farmer
The Khmer Empire In North East Thailand
The Khmer Empire had its beginnings in 790 when King Jayavarman conquered the Kingdoms in Kambuja until then under the yoke of the Javanese and founded four capitals. The consecration rites of Jayavarman at Mount Julen in 802 formalised the introduction of him as the God King and thereafter the cult of the devaraja. Hariharalaya was the first settlement of the new Kingdom.
By 889 this Khmer Empire held control as far as Ubon in I 'san in Thailand. By 944 after battles with the Cham, the Empire extented east to the Annamite chain, to Burma [ Myanmar ] to the west and the Gulf of Siam in the South. In the early 11th C this Empire expanded and levied tribute from Southern Thailand. By 1144 it expanded to the Burmese Kingdom of Pagan in the west, to the coast of Vietnam in the east and to the Malay Peninsula in the South.
During the reign of Jayavarman 7th from 1181-1220 the Khmer Empire expanded further to include the Korat Plain, the Menan Valley, Southern Malaysia, Northern Laos and Champa. It was not until 1430 when the Tai Ayutthaya Kingdom invaded Cambodia and sacked the capital of Angkor and enslaved its inhabitants and looted its wealth, did the decline of the Khmer Empire commence.
The Khmer 1000 Year Old Highways From Cambodia Into I 'san
By the time of King Jayavarman 7th, of Kambuja [ Cambodia ], there were 7 major road systems leading into Thailand. These were paved by laterite, were wide and when necessary, built on embankments, sometimes up to 20 feet tall. One such road left the North Gate at Angkor Thom and reached Phimai in I ‘san [ 140 miles away ]. There were stopovers on route and these included, Ta Muen Thom and Phnom Rung [ all listed as major places of interest for tourism ].
Thai use the Fake Maps to grab Khmer land....
Phnom Penh Admin. use fake Land Title deeds to Grab Khmer people's Land..
Excellency Bandit Achar Knoy
4;08am & 4;09AM
Pleasae use highly-cultural Language as other educated people...do
As to show that you are Kham with
past-present Civilisation....
How young are you !!!
As respresenting yourself as the "Ownner of Prah Vihan" please use civilised language as ordinary educated people used to use
" Your language imlpies/reflexes your bahaviour, Culture.. and also your family's...."
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