Chinese officials have confirmed that plans posted online for an invasion of Vietnam do not reflect Beijing's official position. But the postings are heightening tensions at a time when China seeks to gain control of oil-rich regions in the South China Sea.
September 10, 2008
By Jonathan Adams
The Christian Science Monitor
The Hanoi government has complained to Beijing about postings on Chinese websites that detail plans for an invasion of Vietnam. Chinese officials have dismissed the posts as the ramblings of a hypernationalist minority. But the diplomatic flare-up is seen as an indication of rising tensions between the two nations over the potentially oil-rich South China Sea. There, China has been pressuring Western oil firms to cancel joint exploration projects with Vietnam in waters that Beijing also claims.
The South China Morning Post (SCMP) reported that the invasion plans have been posted on the popular Chinese web portal Sina.com and at least three other websites. Analysts interviewed by the SCMP characterized the posted "invasion plans" as the work of kooks, with little military value.
The Straits Times, a Singapore daily, reported that Chinese officials have assured Vietnam that the postings do not reflect Beijing's official position.
The web postings come as China and Vietnam are squaring off over exploration projects in the South China Sea in areas that both claim. In July, Beijing had warned the American oil giant ExxonMobil to scrap an exploration deal with Vietnam, reported the World Tribune. The report suggested that Vietnam had a better case for its claim to potentially oil-rich fields off its coast. But China is flexing its growing political muscle by asserting its claim to nearly the entire South China Sea.
Once united by their communist ideology, relations between Vietnam and China cooled in the 1970s, particularly when Vietnam invaded Cambodia in late 1978 to oust the Beijing-backed Khmer Rouge regime. Partly in retaliation, China invaded Vietnam a few months later, as detailed by Global Security. The two sides fought a nasty one-month border war that left tens of thousands dead before Beijing retreated. Border clashes continued throughout the 1980s.
That history helps explain Vietnam's sensitivity to public "invasion plans" on Chinese websites, no matter how bogus they might be.
In the past two decades, relations have warmed as both countries moved ahead with pragmatic market reforms, despite several ongoing territorial disputes. In addition to the Spratly and Paracel islands in the South China Sea, the countries are also battling for influence over neighboring, resource-rich Laos. A commentary in the Asia Times argued that Laos is likely to increasingly tilt toward China, despite the landlocked country's historically close ties to Vietnam.
September 10, 2008
By Jonathan Adams
The Christian Science Monitor
The Hanoi government has complained to Beijing about postings on Chinese websites that detail plans for an invasion of Vietnam. Chinese officials have dismissed the posts as the ramblings of a hypernationalist minority. But the diplomatic flare-up is seen as an indication of rising tensions between the two nations over the potentially oil-rich South China Sea. There, China has been pressuring Western oil firms to cancel joint exploration projects with Vietnam in waters that Beijing also claims.
The South China Morning Post (SCMP) reported that the invasion plans have been posted on the popular Chinese web portal Sina.com and at least three other websites. Analysts interviewed by the SCMP characterized the posted "invasion plans" as the work of kooks, with little military value.
- The supposed plans detail a 31-day invasion, starting with five days of missile strikes from land, sea and air and climaxing in an invasion involving 310,000 troops sweeping into Vietnam from Yunnan, Guangxi and the South China Sea. The electronic jamming of Vietnamese command and communications centers is mentioned, along with the blocking of sea lanes in the South China Sea....
- "Vietnam is the strategic hub of the whole of Southeast Asia. Vietnam has to be conquered first if Southeast Asia is to be under [China's] control again," the plans say. "From all perspectives Vietnam is a piece of bone hard to be swallowed."
The Straits Times, a Singapore daily, reported that Chinese officials have assured Vietnam that the postings do not reflect Beijing's official position.
The web postings come as China and Vietnam are squaring off over exploration projects in the South China Sea in areas that both claim. In July, Beijing had warned the American oil giant ExxonMobil to scrap an exploration deal with Vietnam, reported the World Tribune. The report suggested that Vietnam had a better case for its claim to potentially oil-rich fields off its coast. But China is flexing its growing political muscle by asserting its claim to nearly the entire South China Sea.
- A Hong Kong newspaper says Beijing's diplomats have threatened retaliation if ExxonMobil goes ahead with a preliminary agreement with the Vietnamese state oil firm PetroVietnam. The deal covers exploitation in the South China Sea off Vietnam's south and central coasts, according to the Sunday Morning Post....
- The Hong Kong newspaper quoted unidentified sources saying Exxon Mobil was confident of Vietnam's sovereign rights to the blocks it was now seeking to explore. But it is clear that ExxonMobil could not dismiss China's warnings out of hand given the rapidly increasing Chinese market for crude oil and oil products....
- Last year, Chinese media targeted an agreement between Vietnam and BP near the Spratlys maintaining that those islands had been an "indisputable part of Chinese territory since ancient times." The Spratlys, like other island groups in the region, are uninhabited rocky outcroppings and coral but are in an area that may contain large oil and gas deposits.
Once united by their communist ideology, relations between Vietnam and China cooled in the 1970s, particularly when Vietnam invaded Cambodia in late 1978 to oust the Beijing-backed Khmer Rouge regime. Partly in retaliation, China invaded Vietnam a few months later, as detailed by Global Security. The two sides fought a nasty one-month border war that left tens of thousands dead before Beijing retreated. Border clashes continued throughout the 1980s.
That history helps explain Vietnam's sensitivity to public "invasion plans" on Chinese websites, no matter how bogus they might be.
In the past two decades, relations have warmed as both countries moved ahead with pragmatic market reforms, despite several ongoing territorial disputes. In addition to the Spratly and Paracel islands in the South China Sea, the countries are also battling for influence over neighboring, resource-rich Laos. A commentary in the Asia Times argued that Laos is likely to increasingly tilt toward China, despite the landlocked country's historically close ties to Vietnam.
- Laos is of increasing strategic importance to both China and Vietnam, two of Asia's fastest growing countries. Vietnam's interests lie primarily in securing its long land border with Laos and developing greater access to markets in Thailand. For China, Laos provides a growing avenue to export products to wider Southeast Asia, particularly from its remote and less-developed, landlocked southwestern regions....
- Some analysts here predict that the balance of influence inside the ruling Lao People's Revolutionary Party (LPRP) could soon shift in Beijing's favor, as senior Lao leaders fade from the political scene and younger, more market-savvy cadre lacking experience in the communist revolutionary period assume positions of power.
52 comments:
It is about time somebody going to invade Vietnam. How does it feel to stay under someone's control?
It is about time that YOUN must let go Khmer Krom.
I will support China for this invasion.
Khmer USA
What goes around, Will comes around! Just like in history, when the mongolians mistreated China. Now China is making sure that the mongolians suffer. Sad to say, but it true.
Now, Is history in the making for vietnam? Will soon see! Go China go...
100% percent support china invadsion of YOUN , OH don't use the word INVADE , cuz YOUN is chines long before , we can say CHINA try to reunite CHINA , YOUN is chines that escape from china , so now chines want them back just like HONG KONG , and KHMER KROM have to unite with KHMER.. GO china go..KICK AH KANTORP ASS..
Welcome to Vietnam, China.
Wow, the Viets are so scared. Come and get it, losers.
The way VN to solve the conflict is to seek help from the US. And it the opportunity again for the West to ragain their influence over VN so that they can counter balance with China. Cambodia however, is in a very difficult position--support China or VN, or just don't bother about their issue at all.
If the conflict is in a small scale, that could benefit Cambodia by the way that we have more descretion for our own development. But as the conflict escalated, Cambodia may face the difficulty between their war. If we support China, VN will infiltrate into our society with the purpose interfering our nation in every aspects which we are already weak in the governing administration, China in other hand will be very difficult to support us.
If we let them go to the worse whatever they would, then the West will be ask Cambodia to oppen our gate for their support to VN under the excuse of humanitarian means, just like the Thai refugee camp. This may inturn provok China to bombare Cambodia.
Not to go too deep, just get a small injury for them that will be fine for all of us.
Welcome to hochiminh city. Oop! correction Mao zedung city.
It is time for Cambodia to invade Vietnam, how is that?
All of your guys are Stupid Brain.
If China invade Vietnam, Vietnam will invade Cambodia as a result, and If China contiune invade Vietnam in Cambodia, Vietnam will invade Thailand and Loa, on and on. That is Vietnam ambition.
That's a a big ambition.
LOL.
At one party, I was in the middle of China and Vietnam.
Both of them often had argument and they asked me "did Cambodia want to be part of Vietnam or China province?" since there are too many problems in Cambodia?
Go for that China! Viva China
keep encouraging and hoping for war! All u guys out there loving war is pathetic. u have no idea what war will do to cambodia... cuz Cambodia will be in the middle of it. it's not helping the country one bit!
I do not comprehend your hatre of Vietnam, since Vietnam had gotten rid of Pol Pot for Cambodia, China tried to prevent VN, and protected PolPot, that's why China invaded VN in late 1970. As matter of fact, PolPot went in exile in China, and they protected that monster. I have not heard any Cambodian acknowledges the help from VN. I guess the Cambodians would rather be living under PolPot, and China control again. Regardless, history speaks for itself, VN got rid off PolPot for Cambodia, and receiving no thanks from them, and they can not deny it. How ungrateful, and pathetic...
Still , fuck ah YOUN GO CHINA GO FUCH AH YOUN ... AND FUCK AH KATORP12:06 PM TOO. HE HEHE
10:01 AM
Cambodia -- throughout history -- has repeatedly been invaded by number of countries, including Vietnam, Thailand, China, and other Western Hemisphere countries. Therefore, this isn't new to Camnbodia; we had our share. However, the country that never had its share -- Vietnam that is.
Question of the day: What would happen if the actual ivasion occur in Vietnam? And what is the domino effect?
Answere: We're all certain that Mr. Hun Sen and the rest of his clan are fret and jittery.
This is something the Vietnamese needs to think about, and, of course, they're afraid.
How ignorant you are, Vietnam was invaded by China for 1000 yrs, and VN kicked them out, then came the
French, for 200 yrs, the Japannese, the Americans, and Viet Nam had fought and Won on all those wars, oh!, forgot, VN fought China again when China tried to intervene Vietnam in gotten rid off PolPot for Cambodians. So go back to school, and relearn!!
Oh, I forgot, Cambodians were under Kmer Rouge, suffering, and did nothing, untill Viet Nam came to the rescue. So, did Cambodians ever fought their invaders and won!!, or just complainning, whinning about how unfair treated they were by their invaders...., again, how pitiful!!!
The all gods have eyes, Vietnam.
I love Vietnam and thank Vietnam for your too late invasion but only if you stop dreaming your expansion policy and breaking us apart.
Cambodia will fight for our survival. We have our Khmer blood and souls around the world as well.
We will produce Nuclear weapon one day more powerful than Vietnam.
1:01 PM
Perhaps this time will be different -- if the Chinese decided to launch the invasion, it will be swift, and they have our blessings.
The overwhelming Cambodian people with you, Mr. Jintao. We support you 110% for the invasion.
1:22 PM
Brother, don't worry, the Chinese can do the job for us. This time around, the job will be clean and swift.
It is our sincere hope that Vietnam will become the next Darfur.
Don't talk too much about this, because I think we are making Mr. Hun Sen jittery.
How cowardly your Cambodians are, sure, let 's someone else fight for you, your people have no backbones, the Chinese will bring a new Pol Pot for you, just same as last time. Use your brain, you are kissing your enemy's ass. Vietnam have plenty experiences in fighting their invaders for over 1000 yrs, Cambodians can not compare to them in courage, intelligents, and everything else, perhaps you are jealous because Vietnam is richer,better than you, second fastest growing country in Asia. Cambodians are such sore losers.
Lively the free tibet!
Lively eternal Cambodia!
If the Chinese brought another Khmer Rouge-style era, I'm certain that the overwhelming major of Cambodian people wouldn't mind, because they're living in one already; also, the condition under the Hun Sen's administration is worst than the Khmer Rouge era. Therefore, I'm certain that these people would kindly and gladly welcome another Pol Pot-leadership style in Cambodia. Again, new leadership is much better than Hun Sen's leadership.
Research the fact first prior to post your comments. What a bunch of experts!!!
Yes, all Khmer people are blessed after learned that our Chinese brothers are planning to launch the invasion of Vietnam.
Again, welcome to Ho city! Yes, we, Vietnamese, are gladly to have our country to be part of Chinese province. Plus, Mr. Hun Sen is yours -- we are no longer interested with this product. Oh! Shall we finish the job for you.
Good morning, Vietnam, and welcome to Vietnam, our Chinese brothers.
Exactly, What goes around will come around.
What goes up must comes down!
I would like to see Vietnam to live under someone control again.
Since they don't know how it feel to get someone under its control.
Look at Khmer Krom, we want to decontrol ourself. Now it is a good chance to free ourself.
Khmer Krom!
Son of Ah Ho Chiminh goat face motherfucker pimp going to eat soy been?
Hey, guys! Are you sure China can invade Vietnam? That is a stupid idea! History have proven that never and ever chinese can rule Vietnamese nation! You can find out many chinese born at Dong Da hill in Hanoi! And Chinese always said they taught Vietnam a lesson but in fact chinese (china) learn a lesson from Vietnam.
Vietnamese do not want any wars but if we have to get in, you are welcome for another lesson!
2:08 AM
In retrospect, it was a difficult lesson to fathom;however, in this day and age, the game has changed. That was then -- this is now. Of course, the Chinese can applied what they had learned in past in an effort to let the Vietnamese understand that the Chinese -- this time -- they mean business. Warning: If I were the Vietnames, I'll take this warning as a SERIOUS business.
WOW WOW WOW I can't believe ,there too many Vietcong 'sleeping cell in this sites? If the Vietcong mother fuckers just come and help Cambodian people ,why don't they get out ?We do not need that Viet dog eaters anymore ,but are you think we are forgetting Kampuchea Krom mother fuckers?
So I praise to lord Buddha May China 's plan become real,so all the mother fuckers Viet feel about slave and oppression the others nation taste ??
GO CHINA GO FOR THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOOSE,
One China stone get three birds(Viet,Cambodia and Laos)
to all of you stupid people with dump comments. If the Viet did not come to your rescue, you all could have been killed by the polpot. and guess what, the chinese is behind that. AND TO SOME OF YOU, YOU SHOULD GO BACK TO SCHOOL AND LEARN HISTORY, WE THE VIET DID KICKED THE HAN OUT OF OUR LAND BY OURSELVES, many times, many times.
It's 21 century guys. No one has no right to invade no one's land.
****MAY BUDDHA PROTECT US ALL FROM WAR AND HATRED.
PEACE!
1:59pm, how cld u say the condition under Hun Sen's adminstration is worst than during the Khmer Rouge era? What the F*ck is going up there in your brain or if u have any? I've lived in Cambodia for 5 years now, and like most of the foreigners, we've seen a lot of changes since Hun Sen took over. The country is flourishing and the living condition for a lot of people is way better now, than 5 or 10 years ago. More investors and tourists are coming to the country. But it's useless to try to explain all this to a pea brain who has lost his conscience. I don't think u know what the Khmer Rouge are. Until u see them stick a stick up your mother's or father's ass and then u wld realize that " oh...these guys are indeed more vicious than anything else." ...and then you wld feel grateful to live under Hun Sen's regime.
8:22 it is once again the Viet sleeping cell ,first of all I won't say thanks to The Viet mother fuckers because it was setting up,your Viet mothers fuckers are bad blood knows only cheating and killing the others for your own gain,#two your Viet dog eaters ,were burried our fore father ancestors alive to cook your mother fucker te` ong and reap our land called KamPuchea krom with our brother and sisters 4-5 million six decades ago,now it must be the day that we are real khmer forget your mother fucker is the Killing field creators and put the charge to khmer rouge ,we all khmer knows it well and do not hope that is yes way your mother fuckers come and rescue us,you see our Golden land instead ,Yes it twentieth century no one invade the others country ,only stupid people that go for that,VIETNAM TAKE CONTROL LAOS and almost swallow up Cambodia,I'm telling your mother fucker Viet Nam between your people and Cambodia is the water and the gasoline that has no way to mix or to blend it.
So China please if you do not do your business no one does ,and your people will has no place to stay as your people growing and growing.
Come on China you has nothing to loose so that Viet trollers your muscle .
Thanks China to guide us the PLAN we'll help you from the south.
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10:06 AM
Just wake up, you fuckhead!
Your mother and your families are stupid fucked!
You people are fucked head. Wake shit and smell the reality, fucked up head.
Now, go fuck yourself, asshole. Oh! Go and kiss Ah Hun's ass and fuck his wife for me, asshole.
I am very dissapoint in the Cambodians, they are ungrateful, ignorant,coward,and not very intelligent. Vietnam removed PolPot for them, otherwise their country still is a killing field, Polpot is Cambodian, and he massacred million of his own people, and perhaps, they deserve to have a PolPot leader again. Their hatre for Vietnam only to show their jealousy of a better, prosper country with courageous, intelligent people who have fought all powerful invaders and won. Cambodian people have no history, no proud victory of fighting invaders to speak of, they only whinning, and complainning about their misfortunes. They are kissing their enemy, China, who has helped PolPot to become Cambodian leader, and protected him. perhaps, if the Cambodians are begging and kissing China hard enough, they will grant them a new PolPot.
I am very dissapoint in the Cambodians, they are ungrateful, ignorant,coward,and not very intelligent. Vietnam removed PolPot for them, otherwise their country still is a killing field, Polpot is Cambodian, and he massacred million of his own people, and perhaps, they deserve to have a PolPot leader again. Their hatre for Vietnam only to show their jealousy of a better, prosper country with courageous, intelligent people who have fought all powerful invaders and won. Cambodian people have no history, no proud victory of fighting invaders to speak of, they only whinning, and complainning about their misfortunes. They are kissing their enemy, China, who has helped PolPot to become Cambodian leader, and protected him. perhaps, if the Cambodians are begging and kissing China hard enough, they will grant them a new PolPot.
Ðú Mâ Cóng Các! Óng Hò Chi Mính Ðúong Quán Xiàc Kámpuchía Ngóc Hánoí Xéung Víet Nâm!!!
Phám Vàn Ðóng Cúong Trôúng Thanh Xíen Canh Ðinh Trán Ðûc Chúng.
It doesn't matter if the Pol Pot or father of Pol Pot come back to the future there won't be be any concern of the Viet dog eater,because none of their business that our internal affairs we do not need the third hand coming and stir our country unrest politic,what kind off your mother fuckers help us beside stealing everything that we are owned it include restroom toilet 's bowls with out embarrassment and have the nerves to claim that fucking VIET DOG EATERS come to rescue ours,come to rob CAMBODIA that sound easy to understand>Now our beloved Cambodian know THE VIET NAM IS MASTER MIND IN KILLING FIELD AND THROUGH THE BLAME TO KHMER ROUGE .
Please CHINA if the VIET NAM dare does the stupid think to control Cambodia CHINA CAN DO THAT AS WELL and China will gain three countries instead of Viet 's land
OH ,How smart China through one stone get three birds!
4:57 PM
Whàt thé fûck are you trying to sày?
Good plan my dear China!
So the coward Cambodians like to be dominated, and slave by China, I am not surprise, you have no pride, no intergity, would rather have someone else tell you, order you what to do than stand up for yourself. Pitiful....pitiful, pitiful...
3:49 AM
I must admit that I, true Khmer, will rather be a slave to the Chinese for the rest of natural life, if the Chinese invaded and killed the Vietminh.
Go China!
Can't wait to see vietnam get a taste of their own medicine. They must have forgotten how the french treated them for 200 years. This time, another 200 years from China.
Arrogant crooks vietnam.
Cambodians are always proud to be Khmer.
We will fight for our independence. We admire Vietnamese leaders for their strength and nationalism.
However, we hate for your expansion policy.
China called Vietnam "Yiek Nan" It's mean Moving to the south. It's true 100%.
Why don't you teach Hun Sen a lesson? Now, Hun Sen also kiss China's ass.
He is the one that will invite China to teach Vietnam a lesson soon.
You know China give us more about $600 million a year. next year, they plan to invest $3 billion Special economic zone in Sihanoukville directly to attack Vietnam.
Hun Sen is sometimes smart also!
no way China will beat Vietnam in a War, I like to see that...Vietnam Kick USA ass...no chances that China have.
Vietnam have coloniase Laos, South Cambodia and almost completing Central Cambodia and are now heading toward Thailand.
SO CHINA now way you can beat Vietnam the all mighty...
WHO ON EARTH DARES TO INVADE VIETNAM. THOSE GUYS WILL BE BURNT COMPLETELY. THE CHINESE DID INVADE VIETNAM 1,000 YEARS AGO AND THEY ALL LEARNED PAINFUL LESSONS FROM VIETNAM. NOBODY CAN BEAT VIETNAM! WHO DARES TO COME TO ITS BORDER, THOSE GUYS WILL END UP IN THE GRAVE YARDS. ARE YOU CLEAR THOSE BASTARDS THINKING OF INVADING VIETNAM. BACK-OFF IF YOU STILL WANT TO GO HOME WITH YOUR FAMILY.
WHO ON EARTH DARES TO INVADE VIETNAM. THOSE GUYS WILL BE BURNT COMPLETELY. THE CHINESE DID INVADE VIETNAM 1,000 YEARS AGO AND THEY ALL LEARNED PAINFUL LESSONS FROM VIETNAM. NOBODY CAN BEAT VIETNAM! WHO DARES TO COME TO ITS BORDER, THOSE GUYS WILL END UP IN THE GRAVE YARDS. ARE YOU CLEAR THOSE BASTARDS THINKING OF INVADING VIETNAM. BACK-OFF IF YOU STILL WANT TO GO HOME WITH YOUR FAMILY.
What the hell is everyone's problem with Vietnam? Since its birth, Vietnam has fought enemies from all sides, including China.
They've experienced a 1000 years of Chinese oppression already. But their spirits never broke under the Chinese yoke.
Vietnamese and Chinese relations are cool as it is. Let's not have it from cool to frozen with a needless invasion.
As for the expansionist agendas of Vietnam, you can blame the Vietnam's Communist Government for that. It's not the ambition of the people to spread out. Just the Communists'.
I can see that you guys don't dare saying the word 'war' . So tell me what you know about it , huh ? And if a war like that broke out , would you be in the first line to make that stupid invasion completed ? Or just waiting for others to do it ? I have no problems with Chinese or Cambodian . If you don't understand the international situation , just sit there and listen . Don't say anything more because you're just going to soil your own people , your own country , your own culture . You should first ask yourself what have you done for your motherland .
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