the 1907 map, which was used in the court case in 1962 in which Cambodia won the ownership of the Preah Vihear temple from Thailand, shows that the Preah Vihear temple and the sites of the clashes (red spots) on 15th October took place deep inside Khmer territories. Radio Free Asia
By Mondul Keo
20th November, 2008
Translated from Khmer by Khmerization
Cambodian Ministry of Foreign Affairs on 20th November has issued a diplomatic reply to an aide-memoir of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Thailand which accused Cambodia of violating Thailand’s territorial integrity.
Minister of Foreign Affairs and Deputy PM Hor Namhong has told local and international media, after he summoned the Thai ambassador to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, that Thailand is creating an issue with Cambodia after it’s recent unsuccessful attempt to block the listing of the Preah Vihear temple on the World Heritage List.
Mr. Hor Namhong added that all the Thai allegations are baseless. He said: “We have used 1:50,000 scale maps that the Khmer-Thai Technical Team had used to search for the 73 pillars along the borders. We based everything on those documents and we have told Thailand that those areas are located inside Khmer territories and we also told Thailand that, those areas were under Cambodian control since 1907, when those maps were produced. Only since the 15th of July, after Unesco has approved the listing of the Preah Vihear temple, that Thailand has raised one issue after another.”
Please note that, on the 7th of November, 2008, Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs sent an aide-memoir to Cambodia claiming that a number of buildings in Poipet have been constructed on Thai territory. And on the 12th and 13th of November, the Thai Foreign Ministry has sent two aide-memoirs to Cambodia to protest against the raising of Cambodian flags, World Heritage flags and Unesco flags in Preah Vihear temple. Thailand has also protested Cambodia’s holding of a Kathen Ceremony inside Wat Keo Sekha Kirisvarak.
Mr. Hor Namhong said: “I have to tell you that I also don’t understand (why the Thai protested). This afternoon I told the Thai ambassador that, in the future, if Thailand wants to send a letter of protest, Thailand must examine the legal documents and maps clearly first before lodging the protest so that we won’t be wasting our time to reply. This is the first thing I told him. Secondly, because both sides have agreed to resolve the issue peacefully and cordially, we must allow the atmosphere to calm down in order to facilitate the peaceful negotiations. Please do not lodge a protest, one after another without any reasons and without any basis.”
Despite all of the wrangling, Deputy PM Hor Namhong still consider that complaining to the United Nations regarding the Khmer-Thai border disputes is the last resort.//
By Mondul Keo
20th November, 2008
Translated from Khmer by Khmerization
Cambodian Ministry of Foreign Affairs on 20th November has issued a diplomatic reply to an aide-memoir of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Thailand which accused Cambodia of violating Thailand’s territorial integrity.
Minister of Foreign Affairs and Deputy PM Hor Namhong has told local and international media, after he summoned the Thai ambassador to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, that Thailand is creating an issue with Cambodia after it’s recent unsuccessful attempt to block the listing of the Preah Vihear temple on the World Heritage List.
Mr. Hor Namhong added that all the Thai allegations are baseless. He said: “We have used 1:50,000 scale maps that the Khmer-Thai Technical Team had used to search for the 73 pillars along the borders. We based everything on those documents and we have told Thailand that those areas are located inside Khmer territories and we also told Thailand that, those areas were under Cambodian control since 1907, when those maps were produced. Only since the 15th of July, after Unesco has approved the listing of the Preah Vihear temple, that Thailand has raised one issue after another.”
Please note that, on the 7th of November, 2008, Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs sent an aide-memoir to Cambodia claiming that a number of buildings in Poipet have been constructed on Thai territory. And on the 12th and 13th of November, the Thai Foreign Ministry has sent two aide-memoirs to Cambodia to protest against the raising of Cambodian flags, World Heritage flags and Unesco flags in Preah Vihear temple. Thailand has also protested Cambodia’s holding of a Kathen Ceremony inside Wat Keo Sekha Kirisvarak.
Mr. Hor Namhong said: “I have to tell you that I also don’t understand (why the Thai protested). This afternoon I told the Thai ambassador that, in the future, if Thailand wants to send a letter of protest, Thailand must examine the legal documents and maps clearly first before lodging the protest so that we won’t be wasting our time to reply. This is the first thing I told him. Secondly, because both sides have agreed to resolve the issue peacefully and cordially, we must allow the atmosphere to calm down in order to facilitate the peaceful negotiations. Please do not lodge a protest, one after another without any reasons and without any basis.”
Despite all of the wrangling, Deputy PM Hor Namhong still consider that complaining to the United Nations regarding the Khmer-Thai border disputes is the last resort.//
40 comments:
We should file the case with the International Court of Justice Again. Bilateral talk won't go as Thailand is a fucking nation. What the hell are we waiting for? War would kill us other than giving us any benefits.
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What Thai-scum needs to do is stop wrangling about this and that and face the world and admit that they are the troublemakers. It is true what they are doing is stirring up more shit so that they can make it seem like Cambodia is stealing their land but in reality we are the victims. They know they cannot win so they make more trouble some where else inside Cambodia. It's a trend where one thing leads to another, it's like they're going in circles and not achieving anything except a big knot on the forehead of Cambodia. I'm sure they have better things to take care of such as the political crisis to overthrow the government and the Muslims down south. Good Job to ethnic Malaysians living there. Keep doing what you are doing to Thailand and keep bombing they're asses up so they can't shit out of their assholes no more.
Please do not let CPP mislead you for the trick to shift attention from Vietnamese annexation of Cambodia land and maritime territories....This fake nationalism is dangerous to Khmer nation.
Khmer Republican
In any map, google or 1907 treaty map, Preah Vihear, Wat Keo Sekha Kirisvarak and Veal Entry areas are located inside Khmer territories. So Khmer can do whatever they want inside their lands.
6:06 PM
"fake nationalism"
Can this be an irony here? lol
So, who is true nationalism? You? If you think so, you're the remnants of the problem why Khmer lost land.
Hi Khmer PP, You have already lost many provinces to Thailand, so lost more on the Wat Preah Vihan 4.6 Sq KM still ok for you right? Haha.ha.... If you want please you Khmer people bring the case to ICJ again? Your PM will not do that.. hahaa.. Your boss Vietname will not let you do that...h aha..a
The mountain belongs to Khmer in Thailand. Robbers from Cambodia must unconditionally retreat immediately and stop the nonsense dispute.
6:59 PM you spoke the same language as your leaders, and always in a bandit way and BASELESS.
Khmers should be united and support the government. I think the government just gave a strong signal to Thailand.
The Mountain Dangrek belongs to all Khmer descent but not to Thai.
Khmer from Oversea
I'm glad that Cambodian FM or whole Cambodia is standing at a solid stance.
We must tell the Thai enough is enough!!!
Khmer PP,
Ah Siem kom houch! You will disapea your name in the world map if you try to do like that everyday to khmer people.
6:30 PM... fake nationalism is about 4.6 km2 compares to 13,000 km2 of disputes... if you have a brain to think you would not rally to support this fake thing.
Khmer Republican
That's why we Khmer Thai near the border need to come to Phnom Penh to rescue and liberate our real brother Khmer from Bak-YOUN!
Soon we will come in liberate you out of Bak-YOUN's hand.
Khmer rak Khmer!!
BANGKOK IS DOOM!DOOM!DOOM! THAI KING IS DYING!!!!!KHMER KING RISE TO TAKE OVER!! MORE MINES WILL BE ON THE WAY TO YALA, IN THE SOUTH!!
To all borther Khmen in Phnom Penh, the time will come and we will liberate you from YOUN.
We can't close our eyes and let YOUN take your land.
Khmen Thai,
http://cambodiancoalition.org/uploads/60f036b0-a531-6dc1.pdf
make sure bring your stupid king Bhumibol with you!
We will welcome him with HUN SEN's poop.
Khmer PP,
Can you believe after all these years Thailand allowed Cambodia to occupy their territory until 15th July for them to do something about it? All these disputed areas have been occupied and undercontrolled of Cambodia.
Clearly, Thailand is the aggressor and invader; if they want to live in peace with its neighbor, they would not resort to low moves like that...
HUN SEN must declare war with Thai as soon as possible!!!
Khmer Koh Kong,
The sooner the better!!
Khmer ready for war.
United Khmer,
what i don't understand is that the biased reports kept saying that the icj did not decide the surrounding area, just the temple. i'm sure they must have used the 1907 treaty map to based their professional judgment. why are these reporters kept pointing out that the icj did not make sure the surrounding area was also inside cambodia. just look at the above map of 1907 treaty, isn't that treaty was mutually signed by both countries at the time the international boundary was made? don't expect cambodia to yield to the siem thieves! talk all you want, when cambodia take thailand to the international court again, we will see black and white! god bless cambodia.
yes, this very map was used during the icj verdict in 1962. any question?
FUCK ALL YOU ThaI PEOPLE THAT IS POSTING ON A KHMER SITe YOU FAG FUCKING BITCHES IT AINT FUCKING Phra Wihan....FUCK THAT NAME THAT FAKE FUCKING NAME get it straight........ITS PRASAT PREAH VIHEAR ..........MODAFUCKER ...............WE EVEN GOT IT ON OUR MONEY SO NEVERMiND CLAMING SHIT BITCHES.................AND TO THAT FAG THAI FUCKER THAT ALWAYS SAY STOP STEALING FROM THE REAL KHMERS FROM THAILAND ,,,, WHAT THE FUCK R U TALKING ABOUT U DUMB SIEM TRANNY MODFUCKER......... kaduey may ah siem
Get the fuck outta Khmer's mountain, you fake motherfuckers. We are not going to give our temple to no Yuon or French Nazi. You got that? The mountain belongs to Khmer in Thailand. They have lived with it since day1.
Remembered when people from UNNESCO came to raise the flags? Thais withdrew their troops out of the Temple areas to avoid UNNESCO, Thais knew that they are in cambodian lands..But thais still admited that the area is their soil? Thing that bother me the most is, why our government still negotiated with them? Thais knew that they will lost if we take them to UNITED NATIONS..!!
Cambodia gov is stubborn!
Folks, the icj used maps from 1907 treaty to reach their verdict in the 1962 case which cambodia won. if thailand is a law-abiding country it should have shut up a long time ago. thailand is a bully and too greedy, but most important thing is that hun sen allows thailand to do whatever it wants because khmer govt. doesn't care or care very little about the borders.
yes, we all know that the icj had used this map to make their judgment in 1962; so the biased thai-corrupted reporters is insulting the icj professional judgment when when still continue to say that icj did not rule on the surrounding area. even common sense tells you that the judges had used this map; otherwise, what did they based their professional verdict on without this map. so much of the siem thieves' logic! god bless cambodia.
4:12am, i think cambodia is playing along their the siem thieves game to exhaust it as the world would like to see cambodia exhausted all bilateral talks first before the world authority step in. so, don't worry, my dear, cambodia is just playing thailand's game right now to exhaust it so we can take them to icj again, eventually. they will not get away with this criminal intention on a sovereigned cambodia. what a loser they really are!! god bless cambodia.
Its funny how Ah Monkey from Cambodia can claimed the mountain belongs to them. They don't even have anything up there, no road, no market, no school, ..., and no clinic, hahaha, LOL, hahaha, ....
"Ai Thai ki kamoy, gerd ma pen jone...dtaay pai tok narok"
"Siem thieves born as thieves...when they die, they go to hell"
To my fellows in YALA(SOUTH) Let joint my khmer rouge and we will kick thais out of bangkok for good! you guy deserved to be free!!THAI KING IS DYING!! AND DOOMING TO THAILAND!!
Any Thai tricks to reproduce "false borderline" in their favors are useless because the UN has a copy of the original 1907 map and they will stick with that map....stop dreaming and you Thai can reproduce tons of worthless craps and you will gain nothing in the end.
Khmer neak cheati niyom
The French Nazi's map is as good as toilet paper. The temple belongs to Khmer people in Thailand, period.
Motherfucker of French map made for Cambodia was good map i will need it to against motherfucker of siem people,but i want to blow of some khmer people stupit don't understand and talking bad with my khmer situation government.You motherfucker about your mother life. Who saved motherfucker your family life in 1979 untill now motherfucker.
Yeah motherfuckers all brainless people in the government. Ain't it political agenda OR is it something you can resolve with the hard evidence, say icj verdict the internationally recognized map WHICH SIAM NEVER REFUSE SINCE DAY1 THE ICJ IN EFFECT?
And why you stupid motherfuckers sill make the border issue with Siam A POLITICAL AGENDA?
You know since day1 when the border dispute and military standoff occured, that the more time you drag in the NO-WIN NEGOTIATION WITH SIAM, THE MORE LAND YOU WILL LOSE. AND WHY DA FUCK YOU BOW AND CRAWL IN FRONT OF SIAM? Are you people with faked PHD this naive?
I think Bhumibol, Sirikit, and Somchai should translate the ICJ verdict of 1962 from English to Thai for their ignorant-stupid-belligerant subjects so that they can understand once and for all that Preah Vihear and the surrounding land belongs to Cambodia!
Hun Sen and Hor Namhong should protest Google, Yahoo and Wikipedia maps for conspiring with the Thais to reproduce false borderlines that does NOT represent the actual Thai-Cambodia border. UN authority has 1907 map and only that is the legitimate map!
Everything on the mountain belongs to Khmer in Thailand. Aggressor will not be tolerated.
Oh shut your pie who crap lady boy. The Khmer temple belong to Khmer everywhere, so we welcome Khmer inside Thailand. We no welcome fake Khmers to take it from us for Siemland.
So Siem dreamer, just dream on. Just the fact that you got nothing great of yourselves and you have to whine over Cambodia's properties to call your own heritage is pretty sad and embarrassing if you ask me.
So stop coming here and keep embarrassing yourself. Khmer Thai put on a smile for you, but they can't stand your greedy characters and the fact you are a Khmer wannabe.
Don't be a wannabe, go make your own. Or just assimilate your whole country and call it Second Cambodia and start learning Khmer. Suck sore losers!
Nope, the temple only belongs to Khmer in Thailand, just like the Empire State building belong to New Yorker, not Californian, ..., or Pennsylvanian. Get it?
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