Wednesday, June 03, 2009

The Thais are stupid because they try to steal a stone while Vietnamese are smart to take land and resource from Cambodia

I am younger Cambodian has never seen that culture is more important than to have the politicians who have political will for their nation. Current Cambodian leaders are planning to self-destruction because they are proud of Khmer culture and rocky-temples, but they have never concerned to project their long-sighted and strong-structured government leadership. Cambodian leaders have neglected to strengthen the rule of laws and support a real democratic system. On the other hand, incumbent Cambodian leaders don't know the enemy emerging from inside, especially the Vietnamese population that has been grown up rapidly in these decades.
Op-Ed: http://cambodianbrightfuture.blogspot.com/

Le,

Comparing Cambodia-Vietnam with Vietnam-China is exasperatingly diverting the real issue here. China has short shared-border line than Cambodia with Vietnam. Historically, China expelled Vietnamese tribe (or Kinh ethnic) to escape Southward. In that moment, Vietnamese ancestors had successfully expanded their land southward (like the name Vietnam or Viet and Nam itself literally translated its meaning as Southward Marching/Expanding). This Southward expanding finally could swallow Champa, Prey Norkor and Khmer Krom. And all Vietnamese leaders are expecting to annex Lao and Cambodia, the ideal Indochina once created by the French. Vietnam's ambition is not only there. Uncle Ho planned to expand communist ideology as well as expand his Real Estate Business throughout the South East Asia. Uncle Ho is a special member of world communist movement, and his operational location is in South East Asia. So I don't see that you have hate towards China. You should pay gratitude to China that you have today.

From this brief history, you can see China has used propaganda and intimidation towards Vietnam rather than taking real action like Vietnam sent hundred thousands of troops to post in Cambodia for almost 10 years. China operated a so-called instruction war with Vietnam during Vietnam invaded Cambodia. It was just a pre-emptive war, not a containing war. But Vietnam's presence in Cambodia was intended to contain or plant its strong roots inside Cambodia land. At least, Vietnam planned to contain and maintain its status quo through two things:
  1. Populating the Vietnamese people inside Cambodia land through population strategy that Vietnam used to take over Champa, Prey Norkor and Khmer Krom: planting the people, encroaching new plot to create village, and lay down the village administration. Cambodia has undeniably been full of Vietnamese residents and Vietnamese imposter policemen in major areas in Cambodia.
  2. Creating Vietnam's shadow government (or general public called puppet government) that means the leaders are Cambodians but structures and powerful advisers are Vietnamese. Cambodia has no empirical study focusing on this matter, but many Cambodian elites and figures have favorite tendency towards Vietnam more than Cambodian people (in case of current opposition political party has been bullied/arrested/insulted while those elites/figures pay respect and value Vietnamese in all events).

These two legacies of Vietnam has tremendously embedded in Cambodian society and it is literally named "hegemony" or "domination". Hegemonic behavior means trying to influence and pressure others through either military, political structure, kleptocracy or other patrimonial strategic plans. In dictionary, hegemony means the position of being the strongest and most powerful and therefore able to control others. Vietnam has projected to play this role in Cambodia. Like in Lao, Vietnam agreed to have border markers installation but Vietnam knows well that Cambodia cannot control their people who entered and lived in Cambodia efficiently. This strategy of using people to expand territorial land is very smart and genius.

You mentioned about maintaining culture, rituals, tradition or ancient monuments is the good thing for Cambodia to keep its identity and nation. Your word is not true and sometime it is very manipulative. While you are anti ultranationalism but you advocate to see Cambodia has culture survival. Of course, cultural politics had been used in the past and the people became obsessive nationalism. Thus, colonialism can still control them all. For instance, like you are living in the US, you can see Indian population, or the Natives in Canada can preserve whatever identity they want, but what has been happening to them nowadays?

I am younger Cambodian has never seen that culture is more important than to have the politicians who have political will for their nation. Current Cambodian leaders are planning to self-destruction because they are proud of Khmer culture and rocky-temples, but they have never concerned to project their long-sighted and strong-structured government leadership. Cambodian leaders have been neglected to strengthen the rule of laws and support a real democratic system. On the other hand, incumbent Cambodian leaders don't know the enemy emerging from inside, especially, the Vietnamese population that has been grown up rapidly in these decades.

America has powerful influence over Canada, but Canada government is very strong and they has projected their country to govern by the rule of laws. Canada welcomes immigrants from everywhere but those immigrants have to follow the immigration laws of Canada. What other examples that you need to know? Cambodia is not in situation like Canada.

I do agree with you that controversy is good for now for Cambodian government to strictly implement its rule of laws and particularly, the immigration laws before it is too late!

KY
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Le
I think I "used to have" the same thinking like you toward China, or many young generations in Cambodia (whatever many called brainwashed by hatred of Viet land grab, or hegemony etc), but an open minded person would need to take others' account too.

"For Cambodia, if we don't have the UN and international communities, we don't have present Cambodia.", I think you missed the other half of the sentence, something which you did acknowledge before, that you wouldn't have present Cambodia, or even yourself writing here and there, without the Viet's help. Of course neither the Viet or China presence was good (I hate communism too, as it is no good anywhere as we have seen the failure of Soviet, North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, China etc all the poorest countries in the world). But it is what it is, whether you like it or not. But, I am INSULTED too that many young generations in Cambodia forgot the price the Viet paid to help secure the country from genocide, now to attack Viet presence IGNORING the whole history. Same situation as many Viet guys now turn against China. During the hard time we were friends, but peace time many conflicts arise which will never be solved like land issues. BUT, live with it whether we like it or not (mean status quo).

You would go too far if you try to compare any Asian style with Japan, Germany or any Western countries. I guess you may be studying in some of those countries, so do I living in US for long. It helps changes my view of China and how the current world issues (look at the war in Iraq, Georgia) may have an implication for small countries in relation with bigger, more powerful and sometime not very benign neighbours. Of course I wish US was still staying in Vietnam, so their institution would transform Vietnam to country like Japan. But it wasn't the case.

The very contentious issue you mention again and again here than there, Vietnam dominance and hegemony, I would want to know how you "define" such a term? of course I would imagine Vietnam-Cambodia as China-Vietnam, which one "dominates" another. Surely you are unhappy with it, as well as many in Cambodia. But I just want to remind you that keeping national tradition, rituals, culture, politics from being affected have to do more with how you deal with such influence and integration of one in another, not trying to EXPULSE what you don't like. What I have seen is just the influence, rather than exaggerated, "hegemony", which the later is more specific about using military might and pressure to corner others. Viet isn't in a position to do that. Dominance is correct. But that happens in every countries everywhere. Vietnam is heavily under influence of China, same for Canada under US, or Cambodia under Vietnam. There is nothing "wrong" with it, except if you are afraid of culture loss. What can you do about it?

By the way, the main issue to how Cambodia can make good of itself, rather than blame here and there for their situation. Same as the Viet, I wish our country could do like the Chinese did with a strong government. It has to come with the people better education, economic development and awareness of the rules of law, yet it won't happen very soon. We all have a corrupt government, but it is changing, as it is more open nowadays than in the past.

My last words, most importantly, from a very open minded person, is that sometime it is better to live with controversial issues, in order to achieve economic development, which both improve people lives and at the same time strengthen national images, than trying to shoot it down first then whatever later. Politics are dirty and corrupt everywhere. So we sometime have to put the ultranationalism view aside, as it only obstructs our steps forward. The one who well behaves will be the one who survives and develops as in Darwin theory. The Viet had lost the whole past century and millions of lives to learn from its mistakes.

46 comments:

Anonymous said...

If HUN SEN is not waking up, Cambodia will be done.

HUN SEN is always blind!!!

Anonymous said...

It is a good idea. happy to read this. Thanks

son of farmer said...

Now, we Khmer are acknowledgeably awaring of the Khmer old proverb,

"Get da water, da Croc.
Get up on land, da Tiger"

Anonymous said...

THREE LEADERS AND THREE WISHES

Three leaders, one Siam, one Viet, and one Khmer, come across a lamp and a genie pops out of it.

“I will grant you each one wish; that’s three wishes in total,” says the genie.

The Khmer leader thinks for a while, and says, “I want a wall around Cambodia to protect it for all eternity from those with less than good intentions.” So with a blink of the genie’s eye, WHOOSH, there is a huge wall around Cambodia.

The Viet leader is amazed, and asks, “I am curious about this wall. Please tell me more about it.”

The genie proudly explains, “Well, it is 50 metres high, 20 metres thick protecting Cambodia so that nothing can get in or out without permission.”

The Viet leader says, “Ah, it is getting tough. My uncle Ho always wants to expand the real estate. So my wish is to have Khmer leaders as our gofers for all eternity.”

Again, with the blink of the genie’s eye, the Khmer leader bows and invites the Vietnamese leader in.

The Siam leader says, “Fill the wall up with water.”


OOOO

Anonymous said...

Yes we are understanding the danger, but I feel all of our Khmer brothers speak vietnamese to each others.
All critics on the government are more or less destructive, some are very uncivilized and uneducated like Khmer word "TMILL".
On the contrary the legal or illegal Vietnamese in Cambodia can better speak and write Khmer.

Anonymous said...

My friend son of farmer…

I heard that proverb so many times during my childhood, and I hated it so much. I think we should get rid of this proverb as it has done nothing good for but despair our people. That proverb incorrectly leads our people to believe that there’s no way out or no solution to a problem they are facing. This is absolutely wrong. We must teach our people to be positive and recognize the fact that there are always solutions to a problem if we look for them hard enough.

A few years a go, I watched a science fiction movie entitled “Matrix Reloaded”, I am sure most of us have seen it. What I remembered from that movie was, Neo (starred by Keanu Reeves) told his mentor that he did not believe in fate because for him to believe in fate means to accept that he does not have control over his life. He would never accept that. To him, he is the master of his own destiny. I hope Khmer people adopt this line of thinking and start to believe that they too are the master of their own destiny.

Khmer Blood

Anonymous said...

I am just very curious. If Cambodia to poor and less develop than these two nations, why the hell that kept sending its citizen to Cambodia??

Especially the YOUN!!!!

Anonymous said...

Chor Siamese invaded outside, Ah YOUN kom houch invaded inside khmer, if we don't wake up and start to do something about it, cambodia will be CHAMPA#2!

Anonymous said...

Just only some Khmer stupit stold that thing and sell them to the niegbor.I thougth someone in this comment stold all those things to sell in Thailand.

Anonymous said...

Do am ah Hun Xen mother of corruption! and ah collaborator Xhihanouk!

Ah Ho Chi Minh do nothing, Hi do his mother!

Anonymous said...

8:31 PM,
You wrote to son of farmer?
Where is his post? If the guy at 8:02PM is a son of farmer, then I think his comment is excellent comment reminding Khmers to know the facts that the transformation from Vietnamese to Khmers is already happening in Cambodia.
Just to let these folks know that the Viet ambassador can speak and write Khmer fluently.
It is not directly to you as a person. But only "Manuss mean klourn or Kor dombao Knong, K'aek heu rumlong rorsay kantuy."

Anonymous said...

My post at 10:47 PM. Sorry I missed reading.

Anonymous said...

10:26 PM is ah.mi Youn speak Khmer.

son of farmer said...

My beloved Khmer Blood, forgive me for partially disagreeing with your quick conclusion of getting rid the old Khmer proverb,
"Get in da water, Da Croc.
Get on da land, Da Tiger.."

We Khmer keep continuing to unconsciously misinterpret or misanalyze the meaning of the proverp, because we are religiously and traditionally believing in our own fate. Therefore, we're just unquestionally or simply giving up our ultimate fight. According my stupidity's assumptional analyzation of the old proverb, I am strongly believing that we will not easily get rid of the it, but we must literally attempt to understand the meaning of it, in order to solve the problem.

I am not entirely sure that you have any opportunity to look at the picture of the proverb, and if you accidently did as me, you might slowly or eventually realize and understand the meaning of it.

In the picture...

In the water, there is the Croc,
On the land, there is the Tiger..
There is a tree, and one frightful man is holding a rope(hanging from the branch). On a rope, there are two mice fighting each other and trying to tear a rope apart. In short, there are uncountable and confusing bees attacking or trying to attack a fightful man.

Two mice are our leaders.
Bees are us...
A fightful man is our land.

Anonymous said...

Anyway, it is a good source of information to know. We better guard off our border.

If HUN SEN doesn't have patriotism, we must replace him.

Khmer CPP youth,

Anonymous said...

Khmer Young,
You misunderstood about Thais.
They are not stupid, they have a big land bigger than Vietnam and their population is about 65 millions whereas Vietnamese are about 90millions in a land is smaller than Thailand.

Vietnamese need more land because a decade or so the coast line will be starting to wash away and the land will be shrinking or disappear, predicted by German scientists.

Thais are too smart, while Viets are coming to live in Cambodia, Thais are taking Khmer Culture to be their own presenting to the world that Thais are one of the old nation in SEA.

FYI, the elite Thais who run the country are Chinese, and the real Thais, Khmers are poor in the countryside. When Thais take all the Temples and culture as their own, Khmers will gradually disappear.

Another FYI is, Thais will keep the monarchy no matter who come to power, because the monarchy is a symbol of their Unity their existence. Recently Thai Crown Prince is preparing to tak eth ethrone after his father, King Bhumibol dies. He is rude and killer and abuser. But Thais will keep monarchy inspite of his cruel behavior.

As you seen this current King, HM has no power but the military dictator do, and HM is only there to keep Thailand in stable, but the military do all the work.


Another FYI is, Thai military and Viet military just joined Military exercise after Abhisit visited Hanoi.

You Khmer people are dreaming and dreaming in a dream land does not exist.

Anonymous said...

Khmer Young,
You misunderstood about Thais.
They are not stupid, they have a big land bigger than Vietnam and their population is about 65 millions whereas Vietnamese are about 90millions in a land is smaller than Thailand.

Vietnamese need more land because a decade or so the coast line will be starting to wash away and the land will be shrinking or disappear, predicted by German scientists.

Thais are too smart, while Viets are coming to live in Cambodia, Thais are taking Khmer Culture to be their own presenting to the world that Thais are one of the old nation in SEA.

FYI, the elite Thais who run the country are Chinese, and the real Thais, Khmers are poor in the countryside. When Thais take all the Temples and culture as their own, Khmers will gradually disappear.

Another FYI is, Thais will keep the monarchy no matter who come to power, because the monarchy is a symbol of their Unity their existence. Recently Thai Crown Prince is preparing to take the crown after his father, King Bhumibol dies. He is rude and killer and abusive man. But Thais will keep monarchy inspite of his cruel behavior.

As you seen this current King, HM has no power but the military dictator do, and HM is only there to keep Thailand in stable, but the military do all the work.


Another FYI is, Thai military and Viet military just joined Military exercise after Abhisit visited Hanoi.

You Khmer people are dreaming and dreaming in a dream land does not exist.

Anonymous said...

Looklike someone who just starts to learn his political analysis Pol Sc101. The title and the text are not worth to read. What a dumb thing to even say Thais are stupid. You need to read about Thai history and Thai foreign policy and Thai system of governing their country before you start to bla bla..
Are you tha blind that Cambodia is surrounding by Thai and Viet army?

Without China, King Sihanouk friend who protects Cambodia, you all may well know the truth that Cambodia would have been divided to two already. Don't have a high hope that US will defend you.

What a silly thing you can come up with this stupid article.

son of farmer said...

My beloved 11:44PM!

I strongly disagree with you about China and SihanoukVarman helping to protect the land of Khmer from completely diviving into two pieces of cake.

What did China and Sihanouk do to protect our land?

Did you that China doesn't care about Khmer during Pol Pot's regime? She still collected her debt(rice) from KR, while the New People starved to death.

Anonymous said...

Khmer will not die! If ah Kwach don't change he will be soon at the wrong side of history!

Where the king would be? Jump horse?

Anonymous said...

Thai will destroy itself, fool!

How can be it survive to have afool king as a role model?

Anonymous said...

11:44pm, China can't protect Cambodia anymore than she can't protect Khmers from being slaughtered by the KR.

She could care less if Cambodia splits into several parts. You seem to forget already that Vietnam has already conquered Cambodia in 1979.

Do you really believe that Vietnam will just walk away from this prize after fighting the Khmer empire for centuries?

Just observe what Vietnamese citizens can do in Cambodia and compare that to Khmer citizens in Vietnam.

The owner of the land sets the rules and you know who's that one is.

Ever wonder why such a big fuss over Preah Vihear with the Thais and nothing at all from the government over Vietnamese/Khmer borders? And remember the stealth Supplemental Border Treaties with Vietnam that no one could question or debate?

You talk as if Khmer is still an independent country.

Anonymous said...

Be warned my fellow Khmers. It becomes apparent that Yuon and Thai agents are inviting themselves to this forum.

To the Yuon and Thai spies, you can sniff as much as you want but you’re not going to get anything valuable from us here. We are well aware of your presence in this forum. We have a lot of messages for you, and we know what to say and what not say here.

Agent32

Anonymous said...

No worry, Cambodia will always be Cambodia regardless of the many wars and conflicts that the khmers have been through. We are resilient people and built magnificient monuments throughout our land. Our neighboring thai and viet have tried for thousand of years to annex Cambodia but they failed miserably, so do not be intimidated by any classic proverbs.

Anonymous said...

1:12am, do you know what happens in 1979?

Anonymous said...

To the fellow 11:44PM (or shall I say Thai agent):

Thanks for the info. By the way, don’t underestimate us. We know that a long time ago that China has protected us from being absorbed by the Vietnam and Thailand after Cambodia got independent from France. The fact that you make your point on this issue in this forum undeniably proves that you (Thais) and the Viets have conspired to annex Cambodia. Well be careful my friend, you may get a poison bite that you can not swallow.

Agent32

Anonymous said...

Agent32, can you elaborate some more on how China protects Khmers from Thais/Vietnamese's encroachment?

Some facts and not labels would be nice.

Anonymous said...

khmer people have to understand the concept that a nation is only as strong as its gov't. so reform gov't or the nation is doomed like during the KR era. remember teamwork in sports, can't win without the spirit of teamwork, hello, people, get out of your comfort zone and see the world as a bigger picture. learn to think critically and do practicing thinking outside of the box as the world is a competitive place. use common sense!

Anonymous said...

you only hurting yourself and your own people and nation, and no one else. so, reform and learn to think differently. god bless cambodia.

Anonymous said...

Khmer Compatriots,

At this stage, I would ask you all to trust me on this matter: The survival of our nation depends on China foreign policy, and thanks God, she is not letting us down. I love to share with you all the facts but I can not reveal them here as a matter of secrecy. US remains our friend and provides moral support for the democratic development, but China will be our forefront defender against the Viets and Thais.

Agent32

Anonymous said...

that's right, why? because just study geography; i mean look how close china is to cambodia compare to the USA 10,000 miles away. so, naturally china will always be a close ally of cambodia. of course, we want the USA too, but the USA may not want us, so, whose fault is that? khmer/china friendship for eternity. we cannot ignore china as our best friends. that said, of course, we want to be friends with the USA too. please be smart, cambodia. god bless cambodia.

Anonymous said...

Agent32, sharing facts and ideas are parts of a constructive debate.

Claiming to be the key holder of the truth and the facts, you are quite hesitant in enlightening your compatriots.

"Trust me" without questioning sounds like a statement from a communist politbureau member.

China was the sole provider to the KR reign. What happens there?

Look like she let us down. Can it happens again?

Vietnam invaded Cambodia in 1979. Look like she let us down again.

Your unquestionable trust of China rings hollow.

You can keep your secrets.

Anonymous said...

Great article.

I agree that only a structure of strong government in the prospect of rule of laws and politicians have political will, Cambodia will survive.

To advocate pride of culture and Preah Vihea stone temple cannot help Cambodia to survive if Cambodian politicians have no political will.

Foreigners like China and US cannot help Cambodia any further if Cambodian politicians themselves have no vision and political will. But what is currently dangerous is the growing population of Vietnamese ethnic. Government has been neglecting this issue.

Cambodia will soon die when Vietnamese can be freely living in Cambodia.

Anonymous said...

2:38AM

Have you ever heard the infamous expression from the second world war: “Lose mouth sinks ship”?.

As to your comment - yes, I will keep those secrets. Everyone has a role to play. Mine is to protect, not to publicly debate, the state secrecies so that it will not fall in the wrong hands or be exploited by our enemies.

Do we not already know that there are plenty of viet and thai spies in this forum?

Agent32

Anonymous said...

3:20AM

Don't you know the power of openness, transparency and publicly education? Secrecy is good for communist strategy, but democracy means open it to the public for mutual understanding and reciprocal benefits.

Anonymous said...

Good articles,and make me have a bad day and feel so much pain and
sorrow about Cambodia my land sweet land .

Anonymous said...

320am,
Your attempt to keep your fellow Khmers ignorant is laughable.

State secrets, foreign spies are some of the old communist chants that were usefull in the 50's to keep the populace in check.

The new generation of Khmers are not that dumb. KI forum is open to anyone, viet/thai spies included, to exchange, discuss, and debate ideas that are important to Khmers.

Even if those spies are here, what can they do?

Confuse Khmers with their ancient chinese communist propaganda?

Use smoke and mirror tricks to hide the true facts?

Pretending they are the real true compatriots?

Make us jealous???

Anonymous said...

1:15 am

you have to understand that in the history of the world all countries experience conflicts and wars. in 1939 Hitler invaded europe and later his army had been defeated. Similarly Japan invaded South east asian countries and again they suffered defeat. Then in 1979 the viet invaded Cambodia and they were defeated by the cambodian resistance fighhters led by Rannaridth and other khmer factions. As a result the viets withdrew from cambodia. This is real history!

Anonymous said...

about vn in cambodia.....tell this to hun sen then you will have prey sar as your residence or you'll live 6 feet under ground permanently....

Anonymous said...

5:23am, this is too funny to reply!!!

Anonymous said...

5:23am, is this the same Rannarith who got whipped by Hun Sen and shed his tears like a girl at the UN for sympathy?

Please don't stop....continue with your untold story.

Anonymous said...

12:26 or son of farmer,
Writing stupid things online is your Cambodian expertise. Cambodians like you and your people I can bet on form, you don't understand what is politic. You think the problems today is not involved with the past centuries or not before you boss French, you Cambodians are stupid.
Since when Cambodia was freed from Vietnam? Freed from Thailand , yes but not from Vietnam.
Living in radicalized ghetto cultures like you with nothing to do but insulting your own leaders your own Kings, didn't even realize that Vietnamese were never left Cambodia.
Without King Sihanouk friend China, Cambodia would have been finished. Count your days if you don't know how to kiss US or China.
FYI Cambodia has no army, better know that. Thais have US weapons, Vuetnamese have Rusia weapons, and what's yours?

Thais are stupid? You'd better study more.

Anonymous said...

I never thought that there are so many great daydreamers in this site.

PPU

Anonymous said...

PPU,
Why complain? Who thought that you'd be barking in this site either?

Pi Anh ah Kvack: Hun Sen

son of farmer said...

My beloved 11:22AM!

I have never publicly and pridefully claimed to be a philosopher, scholar or poliSickan, ironically confessing I am unashamedly illiterate and I am fully joyful with my lacking education, because we Khmer don't desperately need many PhDs as Hun Senvarman in order to historically, schloarly, conscientiously understand the indescribably sufferings' past of Khmer history. In short, thank you very much for madly calling me, "Stupid".

Anonymous said...

The writer has an immature mind.