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Article by Madhusree Chatterjee Concerning Indian Relationship with Ho Chi Minh City
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Dear Mr. Madhustree Chatterjee,
I would like to make a correction on my article “Article by Mudhusree Chatterjee Concerning Indian Relationship with Ho Chi Minh City”. I erroneously stated that “Ho Chi Minh City and Vietnam did not exist in the southern part of Southeast Asia two centuries ago”. I should have said “Ho Chi Minh City and Vietnam did not exist in the southern part of Southeast Asia two thousand (2000) years ago”. I apologize for the mistake.
Thank You,
Kenneth
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Yeah I saw that too. Thanks Kenneth for being humble. I always know that Kenneth is a human being after all. Lol.
it doesn't matter how many century or years. This tell us who is stronger and who is weaker; who is smarter and who is.........
you could loose your whole country in 2 minutes.
if you fail to change with the world, you are ignorant and weak, really! look, there are more to cambodia, you know!
KI is also wrong! the article mentioned about Vietnamese contact with Champa 2000 years ago, not Cambodia. Two hundred years ago Vietnamese were already in Prey Nokor with the blessings of King Chey Chetta II for marying a Yuon princess named Ngoc Van!
Mr. So should have read the whole content, not just KI misleading headline!
It's quite embarrassing to overstate something that is not true.
Khmer Krom -- khett moat chrouk
Kenneth So said...
With due respect to Mr. Bruce McPhie, even though Vietnam consolidated their administrative control over Kampuchea Krom, Cambodians were not staying idle. They were still fighting the Vietnamese with the aid of Thailand trying to chase the Vietnamese out of Cambodia proper as well as trying to regain Kampuchea Krom. The early 1840's were filled with seasawing warfare and negotiations between the Thais and the Vietnamese and by a gradual shift in the balance of power in Cambodia in favor of the Thais. The Vietnamese were surprised by the level of coordination among the resistants. Cambodia never accepted Kampuchea Krom as part of Vietnam. Then came the French who colonized Indochina (Cambodia, Vietnam, and Laos). Before the French colonized Indochina, Cambodians were still fighting the Vietnamese. It was the French who made it "official" that Kampuchea Krom became part of Vietnam.
For those who are interested, the following are the names of Khmer provinces and cities in Kampuchea Krom before they were changed to Vietnamese names:
1. The province of Prey Kor became Gia Dinh.
2. Kampeap Sroka Trey (fish scale) became Bien Hoa.
3. Batiyea became Baria Phsar Dek (market of iron) became Sadec.
4. Po Leuh became Bac Lieu.
5. Tuk Khmau (black water) became Camau.
6. Bay Chhau (raw rice) became Bay Xau.
7. Peam Mean Chey (confluence of victory) became My Thang.
8. Srok Trang became Soctrang.
9. Peam Me Sen (river of sacrifice) became Donnayngai.
10. Kramoun Sar (white wax) became Rach Gia.
11. Prek Roeussey (river of bamboo) became Can Thoeu.
12. Au Mor (inderground brook) became O Mon in the district of Can Thoeu.
13. Kampoul Meas (golden summit) became Binh Thuy.
14. Moat Chrouk (pig mouth) became Chaudoc.
15. Barach (excommunicated) became Long Xuyen.
16. Muonh Kham became Hatien province.
17. Peam (river mouth) became Hatien.
18. Preah Tapeang (sacred pond) became Tra Vinh.
19. Kompong Roeussey (shore of bamboos) became Vinh Long.
20. Long Hor (drowned diviner) became Vinh Long.
21. Kompong Ko (shore of cows) became Truong An and then Tan An.
22. Ban Lech became Ben Luc.
23. Raung Damrey (elephants stable ) became Tay Ninh.
24. Koh Tralach (isle of Chinese squash) became Poulo Condor.
25. Koh Tral (isle of shuttle) became Phu Quoc.
26. Phnom Youk became Nui Ca Vuse.
27. Peam Choeung Kanchoeu (mouth of river at the foot of Kanchoeu tree) became Cangio (Cap Saint Jacques).
28. Choeuteal Muoy Doeum (One Choeuteal tree)became Thudaumot.
29. Banteay Chis Roeussey (fort of mould bamboos) became Hong Nguyen.
30. Kompong Koh Krabey (shore of isle of water buffalos) became Ben Nghe.
31. Psar Thom (big market) became Cholen.
32. Kanghva Dak Peang (harpoon placing the jar) became Bian Hoa.
33. Daung Nay (rejected coconut) became Tong Thanh and then Dong Nai
34. Prey Nokor (Forest city) became Saigon then Ho Chi Minh City.
Mr. So got confused about a wrong KI headline and wrote something out of context...and then came back with another error!
Mr. So, your previous article did mentioned that Ho Chi Minh City and Vietnam did not exist in the southern part of 'South Vietnam' 2000 years ago! (which is true)...Mr. Madhustree Chatterjee article only mentioned about Indian contact with Vietnamese in Ho Chi Minh City two hundred years ago...(not 2000 years ago)...the Indian author mentioned about Indian traders setting up the Champa Kingdom 2000 years ago, nothing to do with Ho Chi Minh City!
***Please note that Southern part of 'Southeast Asia' is referring to 'Malaysia'...should be specific like Southern part of 'South Vietnam'!!!
To be considered a true scholar, you should have been more in depth, not superficial!! :)
Khmer Krom
Mr. So got confused about a wrong KI headline and wrote something out of context...and then came back with another error!
Mr. So, your previous article did mentioned that Ho Chi Minh City and Vietnam did not exist in the southern part of 'South Vietnam' 2000 years ago! (which is true)...Mr. Madhustree Chatterjee article only mentioned about Indian contact with Vietnamese in Ho Chi Minh City two hundred years ago...(not 2000 years ago)...the Indian author mentioned about Indian traders setting up the Champa Kingdom 2000 years ago, nothing to do with Ho Chi Minh City!
***Please note that Southern part of 'Southeast Asia' is referring to 'Malaysia'...should be specific like Southern part of 'South Vietnam'!!!
To be considered a true scholar, you should have been more in depth, not superficial!! :)
Khmer Krom
No one is perfect... :)
Nice try for the effort...
KI media and Mr. So get (D-)
and the one-eyed PM gets a(Z-)for being a traitor of the Cambodian Nation
Mr. Sam gets a (C-), I think he is better off running a health care center or orphange...quite incapable of being a PM
Khmer Krom was correct concerning the statement made by Mr. Chatterjee. To be fair to Mr. Chatterjee, he did say that India had relation with Ho Chi Minh City (HCMC) two centuries ago and relation with Vietnam 2000 years ago. The above statement is correct. Mr. Chatterjee never exactly said that Indian traders set up the Champa kingdom 2000 years ago, but he did imply it. Historically, it is not quite accurate because scholars have concurred that the Champa kingdom did not get established until the 4th century. However, the statement made by Mr. Chatterjee of the Vietnamese adaptation of the Ramayana was not quite correct. He should have made a distinction between the Vietnamese and Khmer Krom.
Anyway, I truly apologize for my error in rushing to judgment by stating that Mr. Chatterjee was incorrect. I was the one who incorrectly read Mr. Chatterjee's article.
Humbly Yours,
Kenneth So
Thank you Mr. So for your list of Khmer Krom provinces and also a list of their current Vietnamese names...great source for future reference...
Khmer Krom
If you write like you talk, nobody reads you.
thank you very much for the clarification Kenneth So, we greatly appreciate it!
Khmer Sons.
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