Friday, April 30, 2010

Vietnam and China: shoals ahead [-What Vietnam fears about China, it is doing the same to Cambodia!]

29 April 2010
Sophie Quinn-Judge
Open Democracy

About the author
Sophie Quinn-Judge is associate director of the Center for Vietnamese Philosophy, Culture and Society, Temple University, Philadelphia.
A rumble of popular discontent in Vietnam over territorial and environmental issues signals a new phase in the old relationship between Hanoi and Beijing, says Sophie Quinn-Judge.

In 2009, Vietnam’s relationship with China suddenly became a public problem again. By presenting a claim to 80% of the South China Sea to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea in May, China formalised territorial ambitions that previously had no sanction under international law. This claim puts the Vietnamese into an awkward position: either they have to accept Chinese dominance of what Vietnam calls “the Eastern Sea”, bordering their long coastline, or they have to engage in an open conflict with their powerful neighbour, something the government in Hanoi would prefer to avoid. But the worldwide Vietnamese community could make backing down a costly choice.
There is speculation within Vietnam that some party leaders would rather see Vietnam turned into “another province of China” than risk undermining the power of the VCP by establishing closer ties with Washington. Yet threats to territorial integrity are now taken more seriously in Hanoi than they were in the mid-2000s.
Since the withdrawal of Vietnamese troops from Cambodia in 1989 and the subsequent UN-brokered election there, Vietnam and China had settled into a comfortable friendship. The bitter standoff between the two nations, which hit its nadir with a short, destructive Chinese attack in February 1979, was forgotten. Off-the-record, Vietnamese diplomats would remark that they had to be careful to avoid offending their northern neighbour by becoming too friendly with the United States. Such talk was not understood, however, as a desire to move away from China, but as part of the foreign policy of “more friends, fewer enemies.” A broad spectrum of international ties has long been the goal of a reforming Vietnam, rushing to integrate itself into the global economy.

But after two decades of accommodation, the growing power of China is forcing Vietnam to face up to some hard choices. The situation is especially complicated for the ruling Vietnamese Communist Party (VCP), which since the terminal crisis of eastern-European communism in 1989, has identified closely with the policies of the Chinese party: rapid economic reform combined with a communist-party monopoly on political life and state institutions.

Now, as China pressures Vietnam to accept its control of the South China Sea, the Vietnamese party is being forced to admit that the two nations have conflicting interests in a number of areas. One of these areas is access to local resources, such as the waters of the Mekong River. The flow of the water reaching the Vietnamese delta has dropped markedly in the past ten years, as China has constructed a series of hydroelectric dams upriver. The threat to the Mekong could become a matter of life and death for many south Vietnamese. But at the moment the biggest conflict between China and Vietnam concerns access to the fish, oil and gas found in and under the South China Sea.

An underground spark

Popular alarm about China’s role in Vietnam bubbled to the surface in 2009 in connection with a controversial mining venture, on dry land. The party announced an agreement that would allow China to mine and process bauxite in the central-highlands region. What was originally announced as a boost to the Vietnamese economy soon began to appear as a long-term danger: the Chinese let it be known that they would be bringing in their own workers to run the project, raising the spectre of a permanent Chinese settlement in this strategically sensitive area. It turned out that there would be few jobs for Vietnamese workers.

Moreover, there was no sign of an environmental-impact statement – a crucial element in that it is well known that bauxite mining leaves behind a scarred landscape and produces effluents that pollute farmland and water sources. By the late spring, 139 Vietnamese intellectuals had signed a petition requesting that the government rescind the agreement on bauxite production. Many overseas Vietnamese also appended their names to the petition, as did a number of high-ranking military men. One of the leading figures opposing the bauxite project was General Vo Nguyen Giap, one of the last surviving leaders of the revolutionary era, who still possesses enough moral credibility to be an influential critic when he sees the party straying off course issues (see David G Marr, “Vibrations from the north”, Inside Story, 31 August 2009).

The word circulating in Hanoi in summer 2009 was that a number of generals (the rumour said thirty) had been retired early, as retribution for their opposition to the bauxite project. The mining plan was then discussed in the national assembly, and within three days most dissenting deputies had been persuaded to withdraw their opposition. By March 2010 the project was in the early phase of construction, and local-government officials were assuring the Vietnamese press (a few journalists still dared to ask questions) that the environmental impact would be closely monitored. The Chinese role in the project was barely mentioned in these press reports. It has been rumoured that at least one of the party leaders received a Chinese payoff for supporting the project. In any event, the party’s handling of the bauxite issue suggests that it has broad support from Vietnam’s most powerful men.

A contested claim

This affair on its own would not be enough to upset Vietnamese-Chinese relations for long, but it is symptomatic of larger questions. What is shifting the balance in the two states’ relations is China’s growing economic and military clout. China’s unilateral claim to the maritime territory within a “u-shaped line” scooping down to the north of Borneo demonstrates confidence that it can now defend what it considers its sphere of influence. Recently China has started to refer to the South China Sea as one of its core interests, on a par with Taiwan and Tibet.

In this case Beijing bases its claim on possession of two island groups: the Paracels and Spratlys, which would enable it in turn to invoke the 200 nautical-miles exclusive economic zone approved by the United Nations. Many of these scattered islands are little more than sandbars, and sovereignty over them is contested by several other states; but were China able to establish ownership, this would enable control of key shipping-lanes and of an area believed to be rich in oil and natural gas. Some observers believe, however, that the Chinese may now have overplayed their hand by raising the stakes in this territorial dispute.

Vietnam has been attempting to defend its own claim to islands in the Paracel and Spratly groups since the country reunified in 1976, but with little success. On the contrary, Hanoi has conceded some of its territorial waters to China in a border agreement on the Gulf of Tonkin, and even agreed to joint naval patrolling in 2006. But despite these concessions and publicly cordial relations, the Chinese have since May 2009 been ramming or seizing Vietnamese fishing-boats that stray into what they claim as their zone, which the Vietnamese consider their traditional fishing grounds. Fishermen have been held hostage or their catch of fish confiscated, to considerable public outrage in Vietnam.

China forced the south Vietnamese garrison in the Paracels out of the archipelago in 1974, as the Vietnam war was winding down. No one raised an eyebrow at the time, as the United States was preoccupied by the Soviet threat in the Pacific. Vietnam’s historical claim to these islands goes back to at least the early years of the Nguyen family’s rule (from 1802); emperors Gia Long (r. 1802-20) and Minh Mang (r. 1820-41) sent expeditions to chart the waters around the islands, which appear as Vietnamese possessions on maps drawn by early French missionaries. The claim also reflects the fact that fishermen from central Vietnam have long exploited the sea resources here and conducted salvage operations in the treacherous waters. The French had sovereignty over these territories until the second world war, and South Vietnam inherited this claim.

Even with the purchase of six kilo-class diesel submarines from Russia, there is no chance that Vietnam could win a naval confrontation with China. And the Vietnamese know that enlarging their military will not help build confidence among other nations in the region. Instead they are banking on their chairmanship of the Association of South-East Asian Nations (Asean) in 2010 to build a multilateral consensus to support their call for negotiations on sharing the resources of the South China Sea. (The Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia also have maritime claims which conflict with China’s territorial ambitions.) (see Edward Wong, “Vietnam Enlists Allies to Stave Off China’s Reach”, New York Times, 4 February 2010).

A declaration of 2002 on a code of conduct signed by Asean and China, on issues such as environmental protection and search-and-rescue protocols, may be a model for future negotiations. But this agreement has no legal force and discussions to extend its coverage have stalled in recent years. What could promote a breakthrough in negotiations with China would be the agreement of the US and Japan to join in a multilateral solution.

A national question

There is speculation within Vietnam that some party leaders would rather see Vietnam turned into “another province of China” than risk undermining the power of the VCP by establishing closer ties with Washington. Yet threats to territorial integrity are now taken more seriously in Hanoi than they were in the mid-2000s.

The four major threats to the nation as designated by the programme being prepared for the next party congress in 2011 are 1) economic backwardness, 2)hostile forces and peaceful evolution, 3) territorial disputes and 4) global issues related to food security, energy security and global warming. This list demonstrates the increasing sophistication of Hanoi’s diplomacy, in spite of the fact that fear of “peaceful evolution” - code for the undermining of communist values by contact with the west - is still high on the danger-list (see “Vietnam: the necessary voices”, 29 April 2007).

By now it must be clear to the Vietnamese leadership that more concessions to China will erode the confidence of key strata of the population, including both intellectuals and segments of the military. And despite (or perhaps because) of tight controls on the press and internet, public confidence in government information is not as strong as it used to be. Everything, from figures showing inflation to be under control to optimistic reports on the progress of environmental protection, is received sceptically by newspaper-readers. If the public comes to believe that the communist party, which presents itself as the guardian of national independence, can no longer protect the nation’s key interests, then its legitimacy will be increasingly questioned.

28 comments:

Anonymous said...

It doesn't look like Vietnam has much choice. Don't want to lose the islands? You need protection from Japan & the American and their friends. It's probably a lot easier and better than fighting alone with China. How would you like to hand over the entire country of Vietnam to China without firing a single shot? or becoming another state of China all because you want to stay Communist? This must be over the two millions dead bodies of Vietnamese living in the US. Good luck dude. When that happens, watch Hun Sen. His days too will be number. Best news ever from KI!

Anonymous said...

Good news! Wish Vietnam will be destroy by Chinese!
Hun Sen must keep his eyes more open to find the best time to get out from Vietnam's control.
Hun Sen must work closer with Chinese and EU but can't get to close with US. The USA will alway with Vietnam and Thailand.
Vietnam will be big shit this time if playing smart game with China.

Anonymous said...

viet/youn was the province of china. the mekong delta belongs to cambodia.

Anonymous said...

Hopefully, China will invade vietnam like the US did to iraq!

Soon, baby soon.

Anonymous said...

This is what happen when you being invaded somebody. How do they feel when it comes to be colonized by someone again?

This is Karma to YUON!
Free Khmer Krom!!!!

God punish YUON now!!!

Anonymous said...

Like someone had mention before. YUON is just another province of China.

Give back Khmer Krom or Khmer will not support YUON of siding with YUON at all.

Khmer Krom,

Anonymous said...

China imposed the removal of Vietnamese troops from Cambodia as a precondition to improved Sino-Soviet relations, and diplomatic activity in late 1986 indicated that Vietnam might mend its differences with China in the event the Soviets moved closer to the Chinese. Despite Hanoi's desire to ease tensions with Beijing, however, it was not willing to do so at the expense of its position in Cambodia.

Anonymous said...

During the Tang Dynasty (6th-9th centuries AD), Vietnamese guerrillas fighting the Chinese sang a martial song that emphasized their separate identity in the clearest of terms:

Fight to keep our hair long,
Fight to keep our teeth black,
Fight to show that the heroic southern country can never be defeated.

For their part, the Chinese recognized the Vietnamese as a kindred people, to be offered the benefits of higher Chinese civilization and, ultimately, the rare privilege of being absorbed into the Chinese polity.

On the other hand, as near family, they were to be punished especially severely if they rejected Chinese standards or rebelled against Chinese control. This was made very clear in a remarkable message sent by the Song Emperor Taizong to King Le Hoan in AD 979, just over a decade after Vietnam first reasserted its independence.

Like a stern headmaster, Taizong appealed to Le Hoan to see reason and return to the Chinese fold: "Although your seas have pearls, we will throw them into the rivers, and though your mountains produce gold, we will throw it into the dust. We do not covet your valuables. You fly and leap like savages, we have horse-drawn carriages. You drink through your noses, we have rice and wine. Let us change your customs. You cut your hair, we wear hats; when you talk, you sound like birds. We have examinations and books. Let us teach you the knowledge of the proper laws ... Do you not want to escape from the savagery of the outer islands and gaze upon the house of civilization? Do you want to discard your garments of leaves and grass and wear flowered robes embroidered with mountains and dragons? Have you understood?"

In fact Le Hoan understood Taizong very well and, like his modern successors, knew exactly what he wanted from China - access to its culture and civilization without coming under its political control or jeopardizing Vietnamese freedom in any way. This attitude infuriated Taizong, as it would generations of Chinese to come.

In 1407, the Ming Empire managed to reassert Chinese control over its stubbornly independent southern neighbor, and Emperor Yongle - no doubt, to his mind, in the best interests of the Vietnamese - imposed a policy of enforced Sinicization. Predictably enough, Vietnam rejected this "kindness" and fought back, expelling the Chinese yet again in 1428.

Anonymous said...

The Chinese belief that Vietnam is not just another nation, but rather a member of the family - almost Chinese, aware of the blessings of Chinese civilization, but somehow stubbornly refusing, century after century, to become Chinese - has persisted down to the present day.

During the Second Indochina War, Chinese propaganda stressed that Vietnam and China were "as close as the lips and the teeth". After the US defeat, however, Vietnam once again showed its independence, allying itself with the Soviet Union, in 1978-79, invading neighboring Cambodia and overthrowing China's main ally in Southeast Asia, the Khmer Rouge.

Once again Chinese fury knew no bounds, and Beijing determined to teach the "ungrateful" Vietnamese a lesson. Deng Xiaoping, the Chinese leader, openly denounced the Vietnamese as "the hooligans of the East". According to one Thai diplomat: "The moment the topic of Vietnam came up, you could see something change in Deng Xiaoping.

"His hatred was just visceral. He spat forcefully into his spittoon and called the Vietnamese 'dogs'." Acting on Deng's orders, the Chinese army invaded Vietnam in 1979, capturing five northern provincial capitals before systematically demolishing them and withdrawing to China after administering a symbolic "lesson".

But who taught a lesson to whom? Beijing sought to force Hanoi to withdraw its frontline forces from Cambodia, but the Vietnamese didn't engage these forces in the struggle, choosing instead to confront the Chinese with irregulars and provincial militia. Casualties were about equal, and China lost considerable face, as well as international respect, as a result of its invasion.

Over the millennia, actions like this have taught the Vietnamese a recurring lesson about China. It's there, it's big, and it won't go away, so appease it without yielding whenever possible, and fight it with every resource available whenever necessary.

Just as Chinese rulers have seen the Vietnamese as ingrates and hooligans, so the Vietnamese have seen the Chinese as arrogant and aggressive, a power to be emulated at all times, mollified in times of peace, and fiercely resisted in times of war.

Anonymous said...

Thirty two years ago, China invaded Vietnam. The invasion came after months of tension between the two communist neighbors. The Chinese attack was prompted by Vietnam's decision to invade Cambodia and remove the Chinese-backed Khmer Rouge. The 1979 border war between China and Vietnam was over quickly, with the Chinese retreating after heavy losses.

But as NPR's Michael Sullivan reports in the second part of a series examining how China is viewed by its neighbors, relations between the two countries have improved significantly since then. The two countries are bound by culture — and increasingly by economics. Trade is growing rapidly and Vietnam has become a popular vacation spot for Chinese tourists. And the Vietnamese Communist Party looks to the Chinese Communist Party as a model for opening up its economy while maintaining tight control over politics.

Anonymous said...

Yes, after Tibet and Taiwan, China will think about Vietnam, I am sure hehehehe
It is not surprised for people around the world

Anonymous said...

Some Chinese in this forum said that Vietnam is a group of Chinese moving South ( i think he called Vietnamese Yeu or something likes that)
and Chinese conquered and ruled Vietnam from 1st century to 11st century
Why not it is a part of China?
If in 1950, instead of invading Tibet, China invaded Vietnam and now Vietnam should be the same lol

Anonymous said...

Shortly thereafter, the China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC) announced a US$29 billion plan to develop fuel deposits throughout the contested South China Sea, including the Nam Con Son Basin, which is about 150 miles (249 kilometers) from Vietnam and some 1,000 miles (1,600 km) from the southern tip of China's Hainan Island.

Around last year's lunar celebration, Vietnam President Nguyen Minh Triet reportedly met with senior commanders in the Danang area, which is the headquarters for the military region overseeing the contested archipelagos. Triet had to remind officers to wait for the central government to give orders before taking their own measures. This development came in response to Chinese incursions in Vietnamese waters and impatience among some in the military at the government's timid response.

A decade ago the Hanoi leadership could manage the China relationship without public criticism. With the spread of the Internet and a growing blogger movement, the government's ability to shape and control public opinion has deteriorated significantly. With growing uneasiness in the military and greater public scrutiny, gone are the days when the politburo of the Vietnamese Communist Party could cut secret deals with Beijing.

Anonymous said...

* On 7 July 1982 Vietnam and the then People's Republic of Kampuchea (PRK) signed an agreement on "historic waters" located between the coast of Kien Giang province, Phu Quoc island, and the Tho Chu islands on the Vietnamese side and the coast of Kampot province and the Poulo Wai islands on the Cambodian side. The agreement stipulated that the two countries would hold, "at a suitable time", negotiations to determine the maritime frontier in the "historic waters". Pending such a settlement, the two sides would continue to regard the Brevie Line drawn in 1939 as the dividing line for the islands within the "historic waters" and the exploitation of the zone would be decided by "common agreement". (3) On 20 July 1983 the two countries signed a treaty on the principles for the settlement of border problems and an agreement on border regulations (BBC/FE 7393 A3/1) and Quang (1986, pp. 8-9). Finally, on 27 December 1985 the two countries signed the Treaty on the Delimitation of the Vietnam-Kampuchea frontier.

Kol Tral is still a Cambodian island!

Hun Sen must take it back now!!!!!

Anonymous said...

China invasion of Vietnam in 1979 is mainly because China felt betrayed by Vietnam in that Vietnam invaded Cambodia which Cambodia then was very close with China. One had to face the fact that Vietnam today is able to be united as a unified Vietnam by meant of no little assistance from China. She supplied almost unlimited military hardware and moral or rally international support against America invasion and intervention in this part of the world. (Read: Korean war, Vietnam aggression, bombing of Laos etc) Not only is Vietnam now a unified sovereign nation but she is now in a strong position, she may now able to achieve very high growth compare to many countries in the worldsmilies/cheesy.gif

Anonymous said...

I totally disagree about the saying : too close to China loose the country, to close to the USA loose the party. VCP and CCP have the same roots and tradition. They could cooperate. VietNam troop already got out of Cambodia with the pressure from China and the USA. Most Vietnamese undestand that Spatlys and Paracel belong to China since Kubilay Khan 1268 expedition. China has no intention to gobble up VietNam which is an independent state for along time.

Anonymous said...

Hanoi and Beijing is just like water and oil in the same tank

Anonymous said...

Cambodian problem is not Vietnam anymore but China or USA, Vietnam would be with USA, Cambodia will stay with Vietnam and becomes servant of servant of USA or accept to be a FRIEND of China.

Anonymous said...

Viet,is too skillful at manipulations,these two giants are going to get burns a gain.and Cambodia will alway be a little vietmice.

Anonymous said...

These days the fucken serious issues between the Khmer are the Viet are the territorial integrity and the right of the Khmer Krom people to self-determination that drowned out by the Viet politic! But then again who give a fuck and this is all politic! But what the stupid Cambodian government must not fail to do is to look after Cambodian people national interest! I don't worry about a damn thing about the Viet or their fucken politic and what they do is their fucken business!

The historical animosity is too deep between the Khmer and the Viet and there can never be reconciliation as long as the Khmer Krom people continue to live under the Viet oppression! Cambodian politic will be a dagger in the heart of the Viet politic!

Anonymous said...

There will be a real friendship between Khmer and Viet unless they give up Khmer Krom. I'll bet you, no matter what Cambodian will favor Viet in any dialogues or conferences between China and Viet or other Southeast Asia region.

Khmer/Viet,

Anonymous said...

YOU(vietcong communist)!,you better watch out dud!,as long as SIHANOUK is still the best friend of CHINA,you(vietcong black teeth)can`t swallow CAMBODIA!.Eventhough,one day if NORODOM SIHANOUK would pass away,his son NORODOM SIHAMONI still carry on his father friendship`s plan with the biggest brother CHINA,you get it ah!dogeaters black teeth!!!.you want to get some more the CHINESE`s lightning rod?, which shocked you in the 1979.Stay smart with China and solve all the problems with CAMBODIA,CHINA and your own country,if you don`t want to dispose yourself out of this planet.The choice is yours,if you choose the west(USA),then you will get flood by TSUNAMI.Think about that LIGHTNING and TSUNAMI,which one cause more live!!!!.From me your beloved father ghost HO CHIMING!!!.

Anonymous said...

There was never a Vietnam to begin with. The Chinese created that country at the beginning. Then the so-called Vietnamese broke away from Fatherland China. However, that did not mean that China would not try to get its territory back. Even during the French colonial era, and China itself was being victimized by the Japanese and Western powers, China still reminded the French that northern Vietnam or Annam was always a China's province. This explains why the so-called Vietnamese kept expanding very fast to get away from the China Fatherland. Now that Fatherland China is strong once again, all his children must be brought back into the arms of the mighty Father Father. The most belligerent children of Chinese Father are the Vietnamese so disciplinary actions are needed to be in place. Lol.

Anonymous said...

Yes dear, Yuon is a small dragon leaving within a dense pines forest by swalling a salamander in the stomach.
There is no Q?if, but when!!! China will re-anext?... as you all well known since 2002 Yuon GOV'T has been walking torward not in streaght line but two side ways with their querel enemies, this is the way that Hanoi GOV'T praying must be avoided to sav his country and Power this way, but they don't have much option.
Siamese however is reluctanly to invade Kampuchea, now it's reach to a decission not to do so, then the top Single eye leader asking Abhi-Shit to save his face nationally and internationally. His calling is kind of late, Siamese is fighting against Thais(Red Shirt), beyond this point let observe the movement together.

Konn Khmer

Anonymous said...

Nguyen Tan Dung is Chinese. His wife and especially his daughter rule Vietnam. Every Yuon wants to get a job for the government that Yuon has to pay his daughter. His 2children were sent to study in the US. They are too rich and powerful.
More and more Chinese move to North Vietnam, Burma and Laos, and more Yuon move to South and to Cambodia, Laos and Thailand.

Anonymous said...

Nguyen Tan Dung is a fucking Commie killer. He and Hun Sen are killers.
http://boardreader.com/thread/THE_DAUGHTER_OF_PM_NGUYEN_TAN_DUNG_Topix_922g__TAUPINDQTKKGPOKFF.html?o=10

Anonymous said...

It takes China to teach Vietnam to be the way they are now. Most hard working and ambitous people on the planet. They have to be that way to survive and they did and even expand their territory Southward. It used to be just northern vietnam, then Southern one belonged to Cambodia. At the present day, Vietnam has Loas and Cambodia under her belt. Watch Thailand, if they too falling traped under Vietnam's spell, it will become really tough for China to do anything. China in the way looks somewhat weak even though she has mighty large size of land and people. China seems to surround herself with enemy of every angle. To the North, it's Russia and Japan. To the South it's Vietnam and to the east, the tiny, but powerful and yet another sons Taiwan and Taipei. To The west, it's Tibet and perhaps India and the rest of the western world. In just how Much can China takes? and how long? if China chooses to fight Vietnam, there is no doubt about it, the the rest of the world will join Vietnam. Regardless of her regime. You watch. So Vietnam knows who she is and it's going to drag on and on, but there won't be any real fighting at all. Not any time soon. Worse, yet China will never do anything until Vietnam takes over Thailand. See the link and the smile of Hun Sen and Thaksin? It suggests a very real friendship that none can do anything about it and Thailand today is in hell trying to get out it.

Anonymous said...

To 6:18PM

The way you talk like the Viet are going to take over the world!ahaha

Viet have too much wishful thinking and one thing that the Viet never want to admit is their weakness and that is okay! Tell me who is going to back up the Viet now? The good old day is over!