Sunday, April 25, 2010
By Anonymous
Dear All,
As a reader of news on KI-Media, I couldn’t help but noticing the exchange, rebuttal, cynical comments, supporting comments, supporting letter etc… for Mr. Raymond Kin and SRP-NA. Before continuing further, allow me first to make myself clear: currently, I am in no way, shape or form, affiliated with the SRP or the CPP or any other political party in Cambodia. Furthermore, under normal circumstances, I would have just kept my mouth shut until I read that Raymond graduated not too long ago from the “Ecole Polytechnique de Montréal”, Québec, Canada, which happens also to be my alma mater.
First, I would like to say to Raymond: Welcome to world of Khmer Politic, mon cher Raymond! If you don’t mind I would like to share some of my observations with you and the public.
As I read Raymond’s rebuttal to SRP-NA, I felt that I had to re-read the SRP-NA’s statement one more time to make sure that I understand it well enough. With an objective mind, it is clear that the SRP-NA’s declaration did mention about Raymond’s website, Khmer Live TV, ontwo one occasions. The SRP-NA also mentioned about event broadcasted by Khmer Live TV related to alleged claims made the CPP. Unless I miss something in my reading, after all I am no longer young anymore, I fail to see anywhere in the SRP-NA’s statement any suggested and/or alleged link between Khmer Live TV and the CPP. Hence, my bafflement as to why would Raymond rebut and deny something that does not affect him at all, except for the mention of his website? Therefore, I am wondering if, by any chance, Raymond was not overreacting when he saw the name of his website. In my opinion, what aggravated Raymond’s situation further was the fact that Raymond came out to reject SRP-NA’s claim about the CPP during the fundraising event for the Haitian relief. As a distributor of news, all that Raymond had to do is to point out to the public where the video content of that event is located at and let the public make its own decision, as for the rebuttal to SRP-NA, it is the CPP’s job to make the counterclaim since it is the party that is affected, not Raymond. In my humble opinion, this led me to think that Raymond was most likely overreacting to something that does not even affect him at all.
Raymond, I am certain that you still remember our school’s motto: “Ut tension sic vis”. I fully realize that, as a computer science major, you may not have a chance to take classes in Strength of Material (Résistance des matériaux), for if you did, the professor in that class would have taught you about Hooke’s Law whereby the extension of a spring is proportional to the load applied (as long as you remain in the elastic range of the spring material). When I look at your current predicament, I cannot help but think about the analogy to Hooke’s law: as you overreacted to the perceived misjudgment made against you, you believed that you had to reply (this is analogous to applying load to the spring) and in turn, this situation snowballed into a feeding frenzy as you release more and more controversial information about yourself (i.e. as you apply more load to the spring, the latter is stretched longer and longer).
As one of KI-Media readers astutely observed: “TVK is a mouth piece of the CPP. Therefore, whether or not Khmerlive.tv supports the CPP, the latter definitely enjoys its political gains.” Furthermore, when you candidly claim: “only TVK and event organizers authorized me to publish on my site”, you only make the situation worst. When I read such statement, it makes me legitimately wonder what is your link to the government of Cambodia, which is controlled by the ruling CPP party, for it to allow you to broadcast its program online? As you know very well, in Cambodia, unless you have connection with somebody higher up, obtaining such authorization makes it sounds as if you are connected to the government. Keep in mind also that, by raising all these questions, I am only playing the devil’s advocate role, however, if these questions crossed my mind, others may also raised the same questions about you.
This finally leads me to my welcoming statement to Raymond to the world of Khmer politics: this is how dirty and treacherous Khmer politics can be. One thing leads to another and pretty soon, rumors and innuendos start to spread. In fact, when I first saw Raymond’s last name and his mention of Montreal, one person came up to my mind, and indeed, soon, a reader revealed that Raymond’s father is indeed the same person I was thinking of. Honestly, I can’t tell if Raymond’s Dad belongs to the CPP or not, it does not matter to me, but the lesson that I draw from Raymond’s mishap is that the world of politics is dirty indeed! One simple misstep and you find yourself quickly sinking into quicksand.
Nevertheless, Raymond, do not despair! I, for one, am grateful about your website. Although I am fully aware that TVK is nothing more than the ruling CPP propaganda machine, it still amuses me to see how, in these days and age, a Cambodian leader shoots himself in the foot while daydreaming that he is an object of worship for the rest of the country, the amazing thing is that it seems to work for him. In hindsight, looking back to Cambodia’s situation in the 60s, it appears to me that, the more things change, the more they remain the same, especially when it comes to Cambodian leaders.
Well, Raymond, I hope you are not offended by my comment and that you would rather take the current situation philosophically.
Bien le bonjour!
Un ancien de “La Poly”
As a reader of news on KI-Media, I couldn’t help but noticing the exchange, rebuttal, cynical comments, supporting comments, supporting letter etc… for Mr. Raymond Kin and SRP-NA. Before continuing further, allow me first to make myself clear: currently, I am in no way, shape or form, affiliated with the SRP or the CPP or any other political party in Cambodia. Furthermore, under normal circumstances, I would have just kept my mouth shut until I read that Raymond graduated not too long ago from the “Ecole Polytechnique de Montréal”, Québec, Canada, which happens also to be my alma mater.
First, I would like to say to Raymond: Welcome to world of Khmer Politic, mon cher Raymond! If you don’t mind I would like to share some of my observations with you and the public.
As I read Raymond’s rebuttal to SRP-NA, I felt that I had to re-read the SRP-NA’s statement one more time to make sure that I understand it well enough. With an objective mind, it is clear that the SRP-NA’s declaration did mention about Raymond’s website, Khmer Live TV, on
Raymond, I am certain that you still remember our school’s motto: “Ut tension sic vis”. I fully realize that, as a computer science major, you may not have a chance to take classes in Strength of Material (Résistance des matériaux), for if you did, the professor in that class would have taught you about Hooke’s Law whereby the extension of a spring is proportional to the load applied (as long as you remain in the elastic range of the spring material). When I look at your current predicament, I cannot help but think about the analogy to Hooke’s law: as you overreacted to the perceived misjudgment made against you, you believed that you had to reply (this is analogous to applying load to the spring) and in turn, this situation snowballed into a feeding frenzy as you release more and more controversial information about yourself (i.e. as you apply more load to the spring, the latter is stretched longer and longer).
As one of KI-Media readers astutely observed: “TVK is a mouth piece of the CPP. Therefore, whether or not Khmerlive.tv supports the CPP, the latter definitely enjoys its political gains.” Furthermore, when you candidly claim: “only TVK and event organizers authorized me to publish on my site”, you only make the situation worst. When I read such statement, it makes me legitimately wonder what is your link to the government of Cambodia, which is controlled by the ruling CPP party, for it to allow you to broadcast its program online? As you know very well, in Cambodia, unless you have connection with somebody higher up, obtaining such authorization makes it sounds as if you are connected to the government. Keep in mind also that, by raising all these questions, I am only playing the devil’s advocate role, however, if these questions crossed my mind, others may also raised the same questions about you.
This finally leads me to my welcoming statement to Raymond to the world of Khmer politics: this is how dirty and treacherous Khmer politics can be. One thing leads to another and pretty soon, rumors and innuendos start to spread. In fact, when I first saw Raymond’s last name and his mention of Montreal, one person came up to my mind, and indeed, soon, a reader revealed that Raymond’s father is indeed the same person I was thinking of. Honestly, I can’t tell if Raymond’s Dad belongs to the CPP or not, it does not matter to me, but the lesson that I draw from Raymond’s mishap is that the world of politics is dirty indeed! One simple misstep and you find yourself quickly sinking into quicksand.
Nevertheless, Raymond, do not despair! I, for one, am grateful about your website. Although I am fully aware that TVK is nothing more than the ruling CPP propaganda machine, it still amuses me to see how, in these days and age, a Cambodian leader shoots himself in the foot while daydreaming that he is an object of worship for the rest of the country, the amazing thing is that it seems to work for him. In hindsight, looking back to Cambodia’s situation in the 60s, it appears to me that, the more things change, the more they remain the same, especially when it comes to Cambodian leaders.
Well, Raymond, I hope you are not offended by my comment and that you would rather take the current situation philosophically.
Bien le bonjour!
Un ancien de “La Poly”
36 comments:
Un ancien de "La Poly,"
Well said and well written. I read SRP-NA statement, and I couldn't understand where Raymond came from with his response, and then we received Davan Long's personal background information about Mr. Raymond and Mr. Raymond's professional career as a medical doctor in dentistry, etc.
And I enjoyed reading anonymous responses about how sorry they feel about "misjudging" Mr. Raymond and promising to watch and promote KhmerLiveTV.
BRAVO for a brilliant PR ploy to promote KhmerLiveTV.
If I'm Raymond's father, that's what I want, free advertising, I would be the President of CPP Canada, North America, next election MP candidate or may be a Minister in the next few years..
And I will say, thank you KI-Media!
Here we go again, the same old jealously and cynical mentality. Instead of doing some useful works to help the country, open the stinky mouth criticizing others.
To the first two posters. Maybe you can create a new free online TV for our community. Can you do that? or are you just another old useless jealous fag?
Maymond may not know Hooke's law, but I do and I am in perfect agreement with Raymonds's. I perfectly understand his English and I understand SRP's view toward Raymond's. SRP and specifically Sam himself needs to refrain from finger pointing others. If SRP did not say or mention anything or activities that Raymond said or did in the same context as the CPP, we would not be at this stage.
A personal note to Sam: Stop clowning and go to Cambodia and face reality.
I'm glad to discovered Khmerlive.tv through these political bickering.
Raymond, whoever you are, you should be glad that now you have another viewer.
Can't complain about this free advertising.
Eh alors, c'est pas grande chose! Allez-y - discutez, argumentez et n'importe quoi, faîtes comme vous voulez. Ca ne tue personnes, n'est-ce pas? Et de plus, c'est gratuit! Quant a moi, personellement, suis très content de voir qu'on commence a écrire quelque choses ici sur KI-Media et je souhaite bien qu'on continue d'en faire, car de la discussion jaillit la lumière!!!
Somnawk
Thanks you for sharing your sincere and unbiased comments with the readers, Anonymous.
Khmers living inside and outside the coutry should change their behavior, you must not criticize anymore CPP government, Hun Sen families members nor website that supports Hun Sen, you are extremist, you are jalous, you make trouble to the Cambodia development..
Hun Maneth is recently and specificallyu nominated to crush those who continue to do that..
From now on, when you call Hun Sen, you must call, Samdach Techo Hun Sen.. Exactly like muslims call mohamed..
ល្អណាស់ អស់លោកនឹងលោកស្រី!
សរសេរនិយាយលេងឬក៏ជេរគ្នាលេងបន្តិចអញ្ចឹង
ទៅវាម្យ៉ាងដែរ ជាពិសេសទៅទៀត វាមានអស់
លុយអស់កាក់ឯណា។ ខ្ញុំភ័យតែអស់លោកនឹង
លោកស្រីមឹននិយាយរកគ្នាទេណ៎ា! សូមអស់លោកនឹងលោកស្រីកុំបារម្មអីទៀត
ណ៎ា អញ្ជើញសរសេរតាមចិត្តនៅលើ ខេអាយមីឌីយ៉ា នេះបាទ!
សូមអរគុណ
សំណក
8:45 PM,
My opinion - you are full of shit!!!
8:45PM,
You're not only full of shit but; you are REALLY FULL OF SHIT...
For other KI Media reader, please forgive my language...
7:34pm, as I said it's a brilliant PR ploy for KhmerLiveTV. This is not a cynical comment but a compliment for Raymond.
Don't stretch too long old-man , I'm not the son of the one you have thought.
6:52 PM is another mouth piece of CPP . Keep barking ... you might get something from Hun Sen .
8:45 PM
You mouth is full of SHIT . Hun Sen didn't win the election in 1993 but he refused to step down because he got more forces and later on he coup against Ranarith so he could stay in power . to me , Hun Sen is not samdech ... Hun Sen is a bully .
Hay Mr. Jim...how come you are not respond to my question? Is this because I'm a Khmer woman that interest in politic(which suppositely not proper!) Or you you think that so being a "man" whatever that meant...but at least you should express your opinion. Welcome your respond...from Indra devi
Anonymous said...
Hay Reymon - if you are clean and have a true good intention toward Khmer people and their land...you have nothing to afraid off. Once does not have to defend the truth!
In addition...this is to Mr.
Jim Vikmean from Indra Devi:~))
I am no trangender...I chose Indra Devi to identify myself because I am Khmer woman who love her motherland very much and does not want to see people kissing assssssssss to CPP and claim to helping the over 80% of khmer people that are living in the country. They even lack the basic clean wather to drink...comprendo Mr Jim...If you claim yourself of not kissing ass to Reymon (because his father reprentative of CPP in Canada - you must be kidding yourself). Mr. Raymon have no interest in Cambodia? Than why his father represent the CPP in Canada? why his father represent the CPP for the Khmer Canadian...
By the way, Mr. Jim..Have you gone to Cambodian? How many Cambodian people have you been help? Have you been to the country side? Mr. Jim, you have to understand Mr. Rayman beyond what he shows...see it beyon your pointed nose.......Just want to let you know...the way that HS conduct the country with a lot of cronny...just look at the Thai political situation right now...this is where Cambodia will be heading...if the rich is getting richer and the poor 80% of people that live in the country side could not event have enough clean wather to drink!...people will be rise up against the elits....so Khmer elits, if you love your country and want to die in your motherland...better help take care the rest of the 80% of Cambodian in the country side.
So Mr. Jim, Indra devi sign off...by the way don't just assume that only Khmer men interest in politic and the well being of the the country. You are insulting Khmer women. In addition,when you assume, you make the "ass" out of "u" and "me"
Dear Un ancien de “La Poly”,
VERY WELL SAID.....
HOWEVER DEAR UN ANCIEN DE LA POLY, DID YOU ASK YOURSELF BEFORE COMPOSING SUCH A LONG POEM ON WHAT YOU HAVE DONE BESIDES WRITING THIS LONG POEM????
DID YOU CONTRIBUTE SOMETING TO THE CAMOBODIAN COMMUNITY AROUND THE WORLD? ON WHAT GROUND?
REGARDS,
Indra,
Are you sure that you are not assuming that they are "assuming"...Just wanna make sure that you, Indra, are not making a "Rat Ass" out of "you and me" okay Indra?
i really like the choice words "contribute things to Cambodia"....
it is like everyone of them deserves immortal inscription to physical monuments in Cambodia's landscape...heh, heh, hehheh...
Ms. Indra Devi,
Did you posed a question to me? You said I didn't answer to you.
Now that I know you are a woman, I suppose, I can show some courtesy and provide some benefit of doubts towards your remarks and assumptions about me.
First, to your assumption, that I am kissing up to Kin or at all knew about his father's position in Raymond.
I have no idea who Raymon is or his father or their so called connections to the CPP in Canada politic. I live in the land with an army - the U.S of A.
Therefore, I could not have been kissing up to Raymon or promoting his father. What I wrote then, was in my belief, an objective outsider comments who have just gotten his background information like everyone else - through SRP-NA and Raymond's rebuttal.
You will also see, that, no where in any of my comments I support the CPP or Mr. Hun Sen. Quite contrary, I first came out declaring myself as an SRP-HRP supporter or pro-democracy supporter.
I wrote my statements because I saw their were unnecessary attacks by many commentators against Mr. Raymon whom I saw, through the actual two articles mentioned above, does not deserve such negative caricature from the readers.
Secondly, I did not say Mr. Raymon was not interested in Cambodia. But I cannot be for sure who's side of Cambodia he support but that did not matter to me at all.
The substance of my comments were, Mr. Raymond made a contribution to the Khmer Community oversea by having a website which can relay the TV online for free for us. That I thought was indeed a neat technological leap and achievement for us.
I further go on to say that Mr. Raymond's openness in his rebuttal is laudable. I say this because no where in his rebuttal did he attack SRP or made his point to antagonize SRP or any other group.
As you see, some people on KI, when they rebut, they will antagonize everyone they disagree. I didn't see that element in Raymond's rebuttal. Simply, he rejects or clarifies the circumstances of the event mention in SRP-NA article, and conclude in his statement that he is willing to accept Khmer media program from any organizations and broadcast it on his website.
Lastly, on the role of gender in politic, let me say I welcome you and all women interested in politic. Men are, forgive my generalization, quite corrupted for politic. It's about time we get some more women touch in Khmer politic.
My comment regarding your aka comes from my confusion why you chose two conflicting gender noun to represent yourself. As you may know already, Indra is a masculine name, and Devi, is feminine. I couldn't comprehend why you juxtapose these two nouns together.
Doesn't matter anymore. You cleared that out, you are woman. You're not a man trying to be a woman, confusion on my end finished.
Have a nice day,
Jim
heheh, "position in Raymond", I meant meant to say in Canada.
Please excuse the language.
TO be honest, why there is so many debates for just the role of Khmer TV Live?
I don't care whether it is CPP, SRP, or even Khmer Rouge TV..just watch it..if u don't like just ignore it..I guess everybody here are well educated enough to judge if the information is balance, bias, bootlicking....
And I think SRP itself has their own website, news, youtube and other propaganda tool as well as CPP..So why care about Mr. Raymond or Ramon..or Ramanh..or whatever website is connected to CPP or whatever...
Livestreaming is new technology..you can go and find where can you watch Khmer TV for free online?...while the VN, THAI and even Lao TV are available..
TVK is a tool of government..yeah?..right..and Government is control by CPP yeah?..So why we waste time to debate on this simple issue..
So in short...JUST WATCH IT..IF YOU DON"T LIKE..TURN IT OFF..
PS: Mr. Raymond..I hope will keep that website alive so that I can watch Water Festival this year..Thank..
WHY DON'T THEY DESERVE AN INSCRIPTION???
Hi Mr.Jim,
This is Indra Devi in respond to your respond to my questions!!
I want to let you know that I am really apreciate for nice, kinds, calm, and collective respond to my questions of you intention! In addition, just want to apologize from my part of the language I use (which I normally not use those "kiss" "ass" words and so on. But what some egoes people seem to attached Cambodia, I believe that I have the to defend my motherland. I'm not sure whether you have gone to Cambodia or live in Cambodia after 1993 national election. I had done that. Cambodia is beauty country and the ennocient forest calmly take care her people. But given the HS govt. policy to promote development...Khmer nation and her people have been and continue to be exploit by few heartless Khmer elite....which for majority of young Khmer women from country side,they go so far as to prostitute their body for money. Furthermore, one can looks at Khmer's forest as annocient trees to protect and give good clean CO2 to the rest of population, but the govt. exploit that too. When I am in Cambodia...I can almost hear the forest cry for help...but nobody hear...so it is just me...of my heart felt to Khmer people and her country....
So Mr. Jim...thanks for you kinds respond..
Indra Devi sign off
Hi Mr.Jim,
This is Indra Devi in respond to your respond to my questions!!
I want to let you know that I am really apreciate for nice, kinds, calm, and collective respond to my questions of you intention! In addition, just want to apologize from my part of the language I use (which I normally not use those "kiss" "ass" words and so on. But what some egoes people seem to attached Cambodia, I believe that I have the to defend my motherland. I'm not sure whether you have gone to Cambodia or live in Cambodia after 1993 national election. I had done that. Cambodia is beauty country and the ennocient forest calmly take care her people. But given the HS govt. policy to promote development...Khmer nation and her people have been and continue to be exploit by few heartless Khmer elite....which for majority of young Khmer women from country side,they go so far as to prostitute their body for money. Furthermore, one can looks at Khmer's forest as annocient trees to protect and give good clean CO2 to the rest of population, but the govt. exploit that too. When I am in Cambodia...I can almost hear the forest cry for help...but nobody hear...so it is just me...of my heart felt to Khmer people and her country....
So Mr. Jim...thanks for you kinds respond..
Indra Devi sign off
Dear KI readers,
I have mistakenly confused Raymond with his brother in my original letter. It was never my intention to do PR for anyone or any political party, but to wholeheartedly appreciate and recognize our fellow compatriotes who volunteer their times and efforts for the noble cause of the nation, and I’m sure there are many of them.
It was an honest mistake but also quite an embarrassement for me, and I apologize to everyone for any inconvenience and/or confusion this may have caused.
Kind regards,
Davan Long
Davan.long@gmail.com
That is very Cambodian....as always, they like to jump the CONCLUSION...Raymond is one of the many. How pitty!
8:45 PM,
From here on in, I will call you...Mother fucker! You Ass Kisser! You scum! You parasites! You big looser! You shit head! You dick head! I hope you die of a horrible car crash!
I will also continue to ah jouy mar rai, ah kwak hun sen and his family the same way I call you! I hope they too die of horrible death!
Die die die mother fucker die!
give them all of the inscriptions...they are abundant in Cambodia, no body is going to stop it...
4:48 AM,
Take it easy, my friend! Calm down as it is not yet the end of the world.
Come on people be civilized.
4:48 am
Watch that language of yours! If you don't like Hun Sen of his supporters, go to Cambodia and confront them, instead of bashing them on this blog. You're nothing, but coward, looser and filthy trash!
8:29 AM,
Likewise ass hole! I am doing it all the times and NOT only on this blog but infront of the UN, overseas, and also Cambodia. So, where are you mother fucker....hiding behind your lazy ass welfare check...You scum! You mother fucker, and filthy cock sucker!
Eh ah Jrouk kvai tai hong 8:45PM
I'll fullfill your request shithead.
Somduch Joy Mee Joar Kondouy Ah Yeas Youn Sompung Os Such Bun Rany
Terb Vear Lob Sati Louk Jeat Kut Dey Os But Tov Oy Youn C Jo Hun Sen.I hope you'll like it.
Anyone can top that be my guest.
You're sure you understand what 8:45PM means ?
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