Vincent Fernando, CFA
Business Insider
The Thai protest-backing general, 'Seh Daeng', died today, from a sniper shot to the head he suffered while being interview by the New York Times. Street battles continue to rage, with a firefight last night at the Dusit Thani hotel remarkably described in quite detail via twitter by the war reporter Michael Yon.
Monday and Tuesday have been declared holidays and the Thai government has warned protesters that any remaining within their main 'Ratchprasong' central bangkok base after 3pm today will be subject to 2 years in prison. NGOs and other organizations are also trying get women protesters and their children out of the protest area. Problem is, many don't want to leave and have instead set up a refuge in a temple within the protesters' zone.
Unfortunately, he'll probably have a lot more to report
It's been a horrific situation so far, but unfortunately I expect the crackdown to intensify within the next two days. In response, the retaliation from the red shirt protesters could easily intensify as well as increasing numbers of protesters are pushed into radical violent behavior after seeing their fellows shot and killed.
There are only a few ways for the country to avoid a complete bloodbath. One involves the current government accepting the latest offer from the protesters for a ceasefire and UN involvement, which the government has unfortunately rejected. This probably seems like the simplest and most logical solution to most outside observers. In a perfect world it would be possible. The unfortunate thing is that the current established military and political forces in Thailand probably see themselves losing power under any internationally-observed political arrangement. Thus they'd rather keep this a 'domestic issue' and have incited sovereignty fears in order to deflect the Thai public from what would most likely be the most peaceful solution.
Another solution of course is for the protest leaders to simply give up immediately and tell their supporters to stand-down. Problem is, the chance of them doing this is slim since they would likely be immediately imprisoned for what could be a very long time due to extremely serious charges already laid against them. Their lives would also be in grave danger, for they'd be exposed to assassination attempts once separated from their crowds of supporters. Backers of the redshirts, which include hidden sympathetic military leaders and the most visibly the ex-prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra might also want to continue the struggle since they'll also all face punishment at the hands of a victorious government. Nobody trusts the legal system to be transparent anymore. New hard-line red shirts may also simply emerge and take over from those who quit.
Thirdly, is for some sort of back-room deal to be struck between the established powers and opposition leaders including the self-exiled ex-prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra (who was ousted in a 2006 coup, and who still has substantial influence over the protesters), whereby both sides accommodate some of the others demands and promise not to come after each others throats in future years. I believe this is the most likely potential peaceful exit from the crisis, but still think it is highly unlikely.
The most likely path is for little dialogue, the barring of foreign oversight, and an extremely hard crackdown on the protesters which most middle and upper class Bangkok residents will welcome as necessary.
Why shooting protesters won't 'work' this time for Thailand
Without getting into what or what isn't necessary or who's 'right', my fear is that this hard crackdown won't 'work' like it has in the past for Thailand (1992, 1976). The current protest movement is huge, passionate, and sophisticated. This has been shown by their logistics capability whereby the central protest zone has built its own infrastructure including television and radio broadcast facilities plus power generation, defense, and food supplies. Also, technology these days is such that you can't blind people and hide things as you could in the past. Any crackdown will be very visible no matter what censorship is involved. Already there has been coordinated insurrection in the provinces, blocking army convoys, reportedley block the entrance to Thailand's main port, plus sympathy rallies in many places outside Bangkok. It's widely know that there is substantial 'red shirt' support in Thailand's large North and Northeast regions. Red shirts in these regions have pledged retaliation for any major crackdown.
Yet, to me, the most striking development in the last two days has been the erection of a second protest base, near the 'Klong Toey' slums right after the government sealed the main 'Ratchprasong' rally point from direct outside access.
This second staging point has been reported by some as having at least 2,000 people, plus substantial water, food, and power generation supplies set up. All within about two days.
This to me speaks to the widespread strength of the 'red shirts' and casts serious doubts as to whether a crackdown will succeed in destroying their will. If anything, the worry is that it will cause them to revolt even harder, with even harder methods than they've already used. It's in nobody's interests to have random bombs detonating in Bangkok over the next five years. Thus negotiation will be the only long-term successful solution, for both sides, not a crackdown.
Monday and Tuesday have been declared holidays and the Thai government has warned protesters that any remaining within their main 'Ratchprasong' central bangkok base after 3pm today will be subject to 2 years in prison. NGOs and other organizations are also trying get women protesters and their children out of the protest area. Problem is, many don't want to leave and have instead set up a refuge in a temple within the protesters' zone.
Unfortunately, he'll probably have a lot more to report
It's been a horrific situation so far, but unfortunately I expect the crackdown to intensify within the next two days. In response, the retaliation from the red shirt protesters could easily intensify as well as increasing numbers of protesters are pushed into radical violent behavior after seeing their fellows shot and killed.
There are only a few ways for the country to avoid a complete bloodbath. One involves the current government accepting the latest offer from the protesters for a ceasefire and UN involvement, which the government has unfortunately rejected. This probably seems like the simplest and most logical solution to most outside observers. In a perfect world it would be possible. The unfortunate thing is that the current established military and political forces in Thailand probably see themselves losing power under any internationally-observed political arrangement. Thus they'd rather keep this a 'domestic issue' and have incited sovereignty fears in order to deflect the Thai public from what would most likely be the most peaceful solution.
Another solution of course is for the protest leaders to simply give up immediately and tell their supporters to stand-down. Problem is, the chance of them doing this is slim since they would likely be immediately imprisoned for what could be a very long time due to extremely serious charges already laid against them. Their lives would also be in grave danger, for they'd be exposed to assassination attempts once separated from their crowds of supporters. Backers of the redshirts, which include hidden sympathetic military leaders and the most visibly the ex-prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra might also want to continue the struggle since they'll also all face punishment at the hands of a victorious government. Nobody trusts the legal system to be transparent anymore. New hard-line red shirts may also simply emerge and take over from those who quit.
Thirdly, is for some sort of back-room deal to be struck between the established powers and opposition leaders including the self-exiled ex-prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra (who was ousted in a 2006 coup, and who still has substantial influence over the protesters), whereby both sides accommodate some of the others demands and promise not to come after each others throats in future years. I believe this is the most likely potential peaceful exit from the crisis, but still think it is highly unlikely.
The most likely path is for little dialogue, the barring of foreign oversight, and an extremely hard crackdown on the protesters which most middle and upper class Bangkok residents will welcome as necessary.
Why shooting protesters won't 'work' this time for Thailand
Without getting into what or what isn't necessary or who's 'right', my fear is that this hard crackdown won't 'work' like it has in the past for Thailand (1992, 1976). The current protest movement is huge, passionate, and sophisticated. This has been shown by their logistics capability whereby the central protest zone has built its own infrastructure including television and radio broadcast facilities plus power generation, defense, and food supplies. Also, technology these days is such that you can't blind people and hide things as you could in the past. Any crackdown will be very visible no matter what censorship is involved. Already there has been coordinated insurrection in the provinces, blocking army convoys, reportedley block the entrance to Thailand's main port, plus sympathy rallies in many places outside Bangkok. It's widely know that there is substantial 'red shirt' support in Thailand's large North and Northeast regions. Red shirts in these regions have pledged retaliation for any major crackdown.
Yet, to me, the most striking development in the last two days has been the erection of a second protest base, near the 'Klong Toey' slums right after the government sealed the main 'Ratchprasong' rally point from direct outside access.
This second staging point has been reported by some as having at least 2,000 people, plus substantial water, food, and power generation supplies set up. All within about two days.
This to me speaks to the widespread strength of the 'red shirts' and casts serious doubts as to whether a crackdown will succeed in destroying their will. If anything, the worry is that it will cause them to revolt even harder, with even harder methods than they've already used. It's in nobody's interests to have random bombs detonating in Bangkok over the next five years. Thus negotiation will be the only long-term successful solution, for both sides, not a crackdown.
13 comments:
Take note one eyed hyena. The people will not stand for a dictatorship that stamps on people and their dignity with impunity for long.
Use your brains Hun Sen.
3:38 PM
Ok, I'll take some note down. How do you want me to put your name down for the citation? Some random ah lop online? You're good with that name? lol
I wish people in Cambodia will do the samething as people in Thialand . Rise up against dictatorial government that's full of corruption and humanrights abuse .
Khmer Ga
So you want to see the same bloodshed to happen in Cambodia while you are watching from your cave? what a hypocritical smartass!
We welcome foreign investors in Thailand, and avoid Cambodia.
Cambodia has a terrible culture of violence and corruption, with that understanding, please stay away from Cambodia.
Someone need to get rid Hun Sen now before he destroys the whole Cambodian natural resource and human rights abuse from day to day basis. No matter what a bloodshed happend when Cambodian rise up again the corruption government and Hun Sen regime, but Hun Sen's gangster still keep killing,threaten the opposition party and other reporters from day one. Do you want Hun Sen to be prime minister for LIFE?
@ 5:39pm
WHat the hell u talking about?
Let see FDI will invest in cambodia or thailand?they go to invest in thailand for bloody war?
Thailand has actual problem because there is too much differences between rich and poor Thais, Cambodians should not laugh of this because soon we would live the same situation.
Bangkok rourlom Pnom Pench rearliey etc.. It is happening to Bangkok now. Does it mean Phnom Pench will be next? Or it aready happened to Phnom Pench during the Khmer rough war? What ever the past prophecy has suggested has become so true sofar.
Now, the Thai prime minister is going after Hun Sen. The late general was Hun Sen's best friend. The Thai must attack Hun Sen's troops, which means the collapse of Phnom Penh could be imminent.
10:26 pm I personally, don't think so. If Thai's troops move in Hun Sen 's father-in-law troops will pour into Cambodia and you know the consequences after that.I might be wrong.So wait and see.exoto
No matter what it is very good for Khmer if Thai starting their civil war, I don't like war but when we are talking about Thai or Yuon I wish both of these country have their own civil war, killing each others.
Let them learn some things.
In KR time we called ( KILLING FILL )
In Thailand nowadays call ( BANGKOCK KILL ).
Or red killing yellow...
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