Wednesday, December 15, 2010

Border scuffle

Vietnamese soldiers confront a delegation led by members of the opposition Sam Rainsy Party trying to visit a controversial border marker yesterday. (Photo by: Heng Chivoan)



Tuesday, 14 December 2010
Meas Sokchea
The Phnom Penh Post

A group of 18 opposition Sam Rainsy Party officials said yesterday that Vietnamese border police crossed onto Cambodian land and forcefully prevented them from visiting a border demarcation post.

The SRP officials said a brief scuffle broke out when 12 Vietnamese police officials intercepted the delegation in Kampong Cham province’s Memot district, about 100 metres from demarcation post 103.

SRP lawmaker Son Chhay, who led the delegation of opposition officials, said the interception likely indicated that the demarcation post had been planted inside the Cambodian border.

“We are worried about how that demarcation post was planted ... we regret that we cannot reach there,” he said.


“If Vietnam does not allow us to visit, it is more and more suspect.”

He said that officials had already visited border demarcation posts 108 and 109, which he claimed had been planted on Cambodian land, resulting in 14 villages being ceded to Vietnam.

According to his map and claims from local residents, villages that were formally part of Da, Muol and Ruong communes, were now on the Vietnam side of the border posts, he said.

But Var Kimhong, Cambodia’s senior minister in charge of border affairs, denied that Vietnamese officials had prevented the visit to post 103.

“Based on my team working at that location … what SRP said is not true; it is an exaggeration,” he said, adding that he believed the delegation had visited post 103 and that Vietnamese officials had declined permission for the delegation to visit a site on their side of the border.

“They said that they would not bring them, it is Vietnamese land and if [they go] Vietnam would arrest [them],” Var Kimhong said.

He said SRP claims that Vietnamese police had pushed them were also untrue.

“No one pushed [them],” he said.

He also disputed Son Chhay’s claims that land had been ceded to Vietnam.

“What map? Is it an SRP map?” he said. “I don’t know why he has alleged nonsense like this.”

But residents along the border claimed yesterday that they had lost land.

Yem Muon said she had lost more than 9 hectares of land in Memot district’s Da commune as a result of border demarcations being moved.

“I lost all this land. What can I have to feed my children?” she said. “I farmed [this land] since my grandparents and my parents did.”

Ou Virak, president of the Cambodian Centre for Human Rights, said it was important that the government ensure open communication and access to the border posts.

“I think so far the demarcation process has been very secretive and silent,” he said.

“I think the government’s actions are creating more and more conspiracy theories and fuelling speculation about the feeling that something is not right about the whole process.”

Officials from the Vietnamese-Cambodian Border Affairs Committee met on December 1 to evaluate bids by five international companies vying for a two-year contract to create topographical maps of the two countries’ sensitive shared border.

Var Kimhong said following the meeting that new maps were necessary to replace existing maps that are nearly six decades old.

Proposals were accepted from BLOM Geomatics AS (Denmark), IGN France International, Kokusai Kogyo Corporation (Japan), Samboo Engineering Company (South Korea) and Pasco-FINNMAP (Japan/Finland). The cost for preparing the maps has been estimated at between US$1.5 and $4.5 million dollars.

The committee was expected to announce its selection of the company last week, but a final decision is still pending.

ADDITIONAL REPORTING BY MATT LUNDY

24 comments:

Anonymous said...

There is no place for the Vietcong border posts on Cambodian farmland and Cambodian orchard!

Cambodian people need to develop these farmland and orchard to feed their family! The Vietcong criminals are not welcome and if these Vietcong want these farmland and orchard and they need to go out there develop on their land!

Stand up to the Vietcong bully and their naked aggression will not be rewarded!

Thanh said...

I am a Vietnamese/Nguoi Viet or what you all refer to as "Yuon", I would like to share a heart to heart with Khmer readers .

I understand Khmer's animosity against Vietnam. The Viet nation expanded and took over your former lands. You have the Right to Hate Me and my people.

But I just want you all to understand a few things about Vietnam:

We are not bad people. We are people like you. We breathe air, we eat food, we have blood that runs red like every human being in this world. When a normal Viet individual sees a Khmer person suffer in pain, we sympathize and we feel and share the pain that you feel. We don't you to go hungry nor do we want you to get sick. A Khmer who comes to a Viet for help - will always be given assistance. In the past hundreds of years of history, often times Viet and Khmer have been good to each other. Making love, fighting wars together, exchanging cultural practices like food and music (many similarities, e.g., Samlar machu-Khmer & Canh chua-Viet, the Viet Folk Songs of the Mekong Delta has the same musical rhythm).
When Siam invaded Cambodia, Khmers asked for Viet help and the Viets always did provide assistance. When the French ruled and abused Viets and Khmers, we joined together to oust the foreign White Man. When Pol Pot committed genocide, Viets removed him from power. Pol Pot had killed all the intellectuals and about 90% Buddhist monks. Vietnam allowed your cousins - Khmer Krom Buddhist monks to go to Cambodia to REVIVE your religion. YES, that's true! Communist Vietnam helped to foster a new generation of your Buddhist clergy.

I DO NOT support Vietnam swallowing and erasing Cambodia from the map. Cambodia is a beautiful country with a wonderful culture, marvelous architecture and a beautiful and charming people. I wish for its preservation and longevity. Long Live Cambodia and the Khmer Nation!

But I as a sole individual, I am powerless to stop my country and people from trying to swallow Cambodia (& Laos).

Even though I oppose Vietnam's actions, I understand why Vietnam continues to attempt to dominate Cambodia & Laos.

Thanh said...

You Ask for the Reason WHY???

The ANSWER is: It's how the way the real world works, the way life is.

In all aspects of life, the concept of the "Survival of the Fittest" applies. In International relations, especially power politics, the Strong wins and dominates over the Weak. Just like how Japan invaded Korea and East Asia or how the US invaded Iraq or how Chile invaded Bolivia. These examples, the invaders sought to secure their access to mineral deposits, oil, and natural resources. Since there is only FINITE/LIMITED resources, these countries knew war would only bring destruction, death and hatred - but their interests had to be secured. To this day, the Koreans and Chinese hate the Japanese, the Iraqis hate the Americans, the Bolivians hate the Chileans. The animosity never really goes away.

You see, there is a limited amount of land, water, oil, and natural resources in this world. I wish we live in a world with limitless bountiful natural resources - but the fact is - we don't. That's why psychologically, there is a competitive mentality of the strongest will prevail. The strong bully the weak to make sure he has enough food & water, a safe home to live and continue his future. It's VERY UNFAIR to the weak .

That's what Vietnam and the Viet people had to learn. And we learned it in a very hard way. The Viet suffered greatly at the hands of the Chinese.

In ancient times, the Hundred Yue tribes lived in area now known as Southern China and Northern Vietnam. They were a distinct ethnic group from the northern Han Chinese people. But the Chinese became more and more powerful, and their populations pushed south. Over the centuries, the Chinese managed to conquer and assimilate Southern China. The Nanyue (Nam Viets) were the southernmost tribe, and the only Yue people to remain apart from the Chinese empire. But even the Nam Viets were annexed for a thousand years until the year 938, the Viets regained their independence from China. The Chinese raped us of our literature, culture, and people. They forced their Chinese culture, values and customs onto us.

For the next 1,000 years, unsatisfied with swallowing Quang Dong, the different Chinese empires attacked Vietnam and sought to re-annex it into the empire. The Viets resisted and fought galantly over and over and over again and won. From these wars, we have our legendary warrior heroes like Le Loi and Tran Hung Dao.

Fast forward to modern day 20th and 21st centuries, China continues to threaten Vietnam with invasions and taking its lands and waters. China took more of the Northern border region and are presently invading the Paracel and Spratly Islands in the East Sea (South China Sea). China is intent on doing all it can to weaken Vietnam. In response, the Viets know too well how to deal with the Chinese with centuries of experience.

Thanh said...

Yes, they call us Viets as clever, manipulative and deceitful. We Viets had to develop such skills and qualities to survive to this day. We, Viets always have to try to be one step ahead of the Chinese and be more clever and deceptive than them.

Therefore, with China always a threat to Vietnam's survival, the Viet kingdom did all it can to ensure its survival including at the expense of Champa, Lao, and Kampuchea. Vietnam felt vulnerable against its hostile neighbors, so it did what could to survive: to become more powerful than its neighbors. Such required a large population, and with a population boom, more land and resources were needed. Therefore, it was natural that the Viet kingdom moved South into Champa and the Mekong Delta (Khmer Krom).

Think about it, if you had a giant neighbor like China who always attacked you and tried to assimilate you, what would you do? Wouldn't you try your best to secure your land, your independence, and your nation? YES, you would. And that's what Vietnam did. In order for Vietnam to secure its spot in the world and in the future, Vietnam had to grow its population and allow it to explode. With the population increase, the Viet kingdom had to try to expand. Naturally, the weaker neighboring kingdoms were targeted and they began to fall and succumb to Dai Viet (Vietnam). The lands of the Cham (Champa), the Lao and the Khmer began to be absorbed into the Viet domain. If you (Cambodia and Khmer people), were in our shoes, you would do the exact same.

Unfortunately, it's like a food chain: The more Big Fish China eats away at Medium Fish Vietnam's land, Vietnam tries to compensate by eating Smaller Fish Cambodia & Laos.

Another factor in today's world, is climate change. Vietnam is one of the 10 most vulnerable countries to the effect of climate change. The sea levels are rising and swallowing the already highly densely populated country of the Viets. The Mekong river is no loner the same; seawater is flowing into the Mekong Delta and damaging the crops.

Vietnam is viewing Cambodia and Laos in the West as sanctuaries from the effects of global warming. As a responsible nation and parent, it is trying to look ahead into the future for its people, its children. It knows that when the time comes, Viet people will move in and take over Laos and Cambodia. Really, the Viet people have nothing against you people, we don't hate you.

It's a very rough world out there. Everybody has to look out for their own backs. Survival... every nation from big to small fights for its survival (its national interests) - from the US and China to Kuwait and Nepal.

A "Dog Eat Dog" World or "Eat or Be Eaten".

It's really unfortunate how the world is, how things work.

I really am sorry for your loss. I want to apologize for the Viet people to every Khmer out there.

I know Khmers will always hate us. Khmer hate us Nguoi Viet because we play the Game too well. You hate us because we have managed to survive at Champa's expense and your expense.

You also hate us because you are secretly envious of the Vietnamese accomplishments. You see how Vietnam managed to fight off China, France, the US, and yet continue to swallow Lao and Kampuchea. You hate us because you cannot do the same. Because there is no other smaller neighboring country for Khmers to expand into. You hate the fact that Khmers are unlucky to be stuck between two bigger, powerful neighbors - Vietnam & Thailand.

I am honestly very sorry from the bottom of my heart for the pain & suffering of the Khmer people. I wish life could be easier for everyone and resources be limitless so that we don't have to survive at the expense of each other.

As a Viet, this post is meant to reach out to my fellow Khmer brothers and sisters: I know why you hate me (Viets), but please try to understand us.


God Bless You. Long Live Cambodia/Khmers. Long Live Vietnam. Long Live Friendship.

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Anonymous said...

Khmers don't hate Yuons.
Khmer men like Yuon women.
Khmer women like Yuon men.
Khmers are afraid of Yuons
because Yuon government politic is to swallow Cambodia.
The proof is, out of Cambodia, there are a lot of Khmer-westerners and Yuon-westerners marry each other.

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Anonymous said...

Hello Ki- Media teams,
We had read this news on Phnom Penh Post once today ( 15th December 2010 ), We are so angry with Ar Var Kim Hong the cry man who said, We want to kill him from our country. He does not care our territory or border land. Does He get a bribe from Ar YUON or Vietman.? We have gone to those places around 3 months ago. The local people told us about Ar Vietnam took our territory. We are so angry. They have taken our Kampuchea Krom. Do they want our country.? We want to kill them.
Kompong Cham people

Anonymous said...

ah yuon mi yuon srakey yoeur, have power than khmer people who are the owner of their soil. This is because of ah hun xen and his clants stupid who sold Cambodian soil to ah yuon thieves.

Anonymous said...

Ah yuon tried to convince Khmer by raising the previous time, but not to show up thir tick and their maltreatment on Khmer at that era. Ah stupid yuon, your words is only for ah silly khmer who sold their brain, to me, don't dream of your expectation to swallow Cambodian soil.

Anonymous said...

The reality is:

Armed Viet soldiers and police cross freely across the border into Cambodia back and forth at any time and at any will to buy sodas, beer and cigarettes. Cambodian soldiers and police aren't allowed to do the same and need strict permission to enter Vietnam and can only enter Vietnam if they are escorted by Viet soldiers and have left their weapons in Cambodia.

Viet farmers enter Cambodia all the time daily at free will. Cambodians farmers who enter Vietnam are either jailed by Viet soldiers and police or beaten/murdered by Viet farmers.

Sad, but this is how it is. I've been to the frontier posts and witnessed these types of behaviors and lack or respect by Viets all the time.

Anonymous said...

Dear Thanh,

I’m a Khmer national, and you can call me Sokhom. First, let me say thank you for taking the time to write. It’s very unfortunate that two nations as ours can not co-exist peacefully side-by-side. You have expressed your view, allow me to express mine.

Historically, Khmer Kings were kind enough to let Vietnamese people fleeing the wars with China to stay on our land. Instead of thanking Khmer kings for kindly providing shelter during the difficult times, the Vietnamese people took over our lands. In recent history, Norodom Sihanouk granted your country a passage through our country to fight the French colonialists and American imperialists to reunite your country - the North and the South. How did your country pay us back? Your country tried to annex my country! Can you tell me how Khmer people should feel about your country? You mention about the friendship between our two people. I don’t see it. Look at Khmer Krom people who were continuously abused by your people and governments. There were reports that Khmer Krom people were prohibited from learning Khmer language at public schools, or watching Khmer TV, or even having their Khmer names on official documents.

Like I mention earlier it’s very unfortunate that two nations as ours can not co-exist peacefully side-by-side. But things do not have to be that way, yet your country chooses to pursue the very same path of hostility it started hundred years ago. Cambodia has been betrayed times and times by Vietnam in the past, and as of today, Vietnam has not shown any intention to leave Cambodia alone.

I hope your government and people ask themselves the right question –

In the present context of globalization and advanced information age, will Vietnam be more secured and become stronger by annexing Cambodia?

Many small countries including Korea, are very successful on their own without having to annex other countries.

Anonymous said...

You are motherfucker of Khmer opposition you motherfucker do everyday like that it wasn't helping Khmer you motherfucker did like that to make Cambodia loose the neigberhood .

Anonymous said...

Khmer It think As a nation, as a soldier we do what we have to do, that is to defend our country and protect ours board. but Cambodia is divided today, we need help from everyone to United ours country. Ours leader has failed us as a country.

Kon Khmer

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

To 5:33 PM (Thanh)

Your apology is not accepted! You can glorify how smart your Vietcong leaders compare to Khmer leaders. You can make all the fucken excuse in the world to bully Khmer people and to take away their land and to erase Cambodia from the world map to justify the survival of your Viet people on planet Earth is so wrong! And your stupid concept of the "Survival of the Fittest" apply to the real world is pure criminal and irresponsible behavior! This is why the world has "United Nations" that allow countries from all corners of planet Earth to come together to find common ground to solve conflict!

On planet Earth everything is important that is why even animals are protected from extinction! Right now, your Vietcong leaders and your Viet people are treating Khmer people worst than animal by oppressing them and take away their land! It is only a matter of time and your Vietcong leaders and your people will pay a price for what you have done to Khmer people! Khmer people reserve the right to live under God not under the Viet!


Welcome to Atomic age!

Anonymous said...

China will never let the YOUNS TAKE OVER CAMBODIA! HERE ARE THE REASONS:

1) China and Cambodia are two great civilize nation who helped each other and live with each other for over 5,000 years!

2) Cambodia political geography is strategic for China to trade with other nations and used for political purpose

3) China is Cambodia #! Donor and investor

4) Khmer people are PRO-CHINA

5) Khmer people see YOUNS ARE INFERIOR RACE

THE LIST GOES ON!


FUCK WHORENAM! LONG LIVE CHINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!

Anonymous said...

To all my KHMER IN THE WORLD PLEASE SUPPORT THE ONE CHINA POLICY AND SUPPORT CHINA'S TAKE OVER OF SPRATLY ISLANDS AND PARACEL! WE LOVE YOU CHINA! YOU ARE A TRUE BEST FRIEND OF CAMBODIA!

Anonymous said...

We are vietnam we will be strong in the future .We donot believe that china is stronger than our vietnam.China looke like atiger wake up from sickness.They need only the economy from cambodia ,but we are vietnam we already to control laos and cambodia ,we put our people and our agents every where in cambodia even in government and in CPP ,we are like bomboo.Now everything in our hand .In 1979 we send our suicide commando to phnom penh to catch samdech sihanouk ,because we need him to stay with our side ,but the chines worker in phnom penh catch our commando and destroy them.And now we have samdech sihanouk in our left hand and hun sen in our right hand.Everything in our both hands >China use to lose a batlle at north vietnam, we are vietnam we never scare or worrie about china.

Anonymous said...

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ក្បាលចេញពីប្រទេសខ្មែរ?
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Anonymous said...

Hey Thanh thank you for writing ,I think you shuold advice to your government to stope to invade Cambodia ,because from before untile now your government still encroach the khmer land can you see my people cry because they lose their land ,the cambodian people is very nice and generious with vietnam people ,but your government is bad .You know when the war vietnam with USA ,the khmer people help you alot until you chasse USA from your country , you have a liberty from the colonie ,the khmer people acept your liberation army( vitcong)to stay in cambodia territory when they lose fighting from south vietnam ,the khmer king help them some food ,veapons ,,transportation,how many khmer people die by USA bombarding when they fallow vietcong escape into cambodia.But your government never saw the grace of khmer people ,every time they tooke khmer land .When they chasse pol pot from cambodia how many ressource or interests that they tooke from cambodia million dollars,so your help is enough because looke like khmer people already paid for your goverment .If you are a good friend tell your government to stop to take khmer land ,look at my khmer people cry ,because they lose the land to the vietnam.

Anonymous said...

យើងត្រូវតែនាំគ្នានិយាយពីអំពើក្បត់ជាតិនឹងអំពើអាក្រក់
របស់មេដឹកនាំកម្ពុជា មានដូចជា ៖
ពួកអាឆ្កែកញ្ជះយួន ហ៊ុន សែន, ហេងសំ រិន, ជាស៊ីម, សុខ អាន, ហោ ណាំហុង, ឱម យិនទៀង, ចៀម យីប, វ៉ា គិម ហុង, ស ខេង, ងួន ញ៉ឹល ។ល។ និង ។ល។
និយាយហើយនិយាយទៀតដើម្បីអោយជាតិ និងអន្តរជាតិ
ដឹងឮ ទូទាំងពិភពលោក។

Anonymous said...

If you sais khmer people is race you are stupid.All the country in the world have to protect their land ,if you invade our country we have to protect .khmer people they just protect their land is racisme?