Saturday, April 30, 2011

Can Thailand and Cambodia Step Back from the Brink?

Thai army tanks travel on a road near the Thai-Cambodia border in Surin province April 28, 2011. (Sukree Sukplang/Courtesy Reuters)

Friday, April 29, 2011
By Joshua Kurlantzick
Council on Foreign Relations

A temporary ceasefire in the fighting over the disputed Preah Vihear temple on the Thai-Cambodian border appears to be over. According to multiple news reports, new skirmishes broke out in the past day on the border, where fighting has over the past week already killed sixteen people. After failed meetings between senior ministers, and minimal intervention by the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, the two countries apparently now are going to go to The Hague for a ruling from the International Court of Justice.

Will that help? It’s doubtful. International authorities already have ruled on the case in the past –the ICJ found four decades ago that the temple was under Cambodian sovereignty — but that has not stopped fighting. What is needed now is some level of rationality, not from the senior civilian leadership in both countries, but from the armed forces themselves, which, at least in Thailand, operate largely independent of the prime minister’s office, and have utilized the dispute to entrench the army’s central role in political life. Thus far, in fact, the civilian leadership of Thailand, which may well want the dispute to end, seems powerless to do anything about it.

Will the two countries’ militaries intervene to stop the senseless fighting? Going to the ICJ is at least a positive step, but unless the civilian governments can gain better control of the armed forces, it is unlikely to produce a true resolution.

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

The whole thailand and cambodia issue is because of vietnam!

We all know that the CPP is hanoi puppet! Even the thai know that!

Anonymous said...

Thank you. It is very true that Thailand is confused country with no real leadership to deal with Cambodia. Thailand used to beat other poor neighbor for territory and they see Cambodia can one likely victim. However, Cambodia's military might is no where near Thailand; what Cambodia got is legality to show the world which Thailand fiercely opposes.

Anonymous said...

IF THE FULL SCALE WAR ERUPTS THAI WILL USED F14 TOMCAT F15 EAGLE F-16 FALCON F18 HORNET TO DISTROY HUN SEN'S COMMNAD AND CONTROL CENTER AND HUN SEN'S BUNKER IN TUOL KRASANG AND CONTROL HUN SEN' AIR SPACE IN THE MATTER OF HOURS.

USED A-10 TO DISTROY HUN SEN'S SAM MISSILE SITES, T54-T55, ARMORED VEHICLES AND BM-21 POSITIONS.

USED 105mm, 155mm AND 175mm howitzer to fire and fire will
APACHE M1-A1/M1-A2 M60-A1 TO ADVANCE
AND TO DISTROY HUN SEN' REPUBLICAN GUARDS.

FAST ADVANCE 3 COLUNMS DIVISION FROM THE NORTH; 3 COLUNMS DIVISION FROM THE SEA TO PHNOM PENH AND ALL MILITAY KEY IN THE PROVINCES TO PUSH THAT KHMER-VIETMINH (hun sen)TO VIETNAM BORDER; THEN PUSH THEM TO END AT SOUTH CHINA SEA AND TAKE OVER CAMBODIA AND CHANGE OR INSTALL NEW GOVERNMENT.

Anonymous said...

It's so funny, source in Phnom Penh said: TV Bayon, TVK, CTN asked for money donation to help soldiers at the border, because the government has no money to pay to their soldiers at the front lines...

Anonymous said...

The International Court of Justice had ruled that Preah Vihear temple belong to Cambodia and the temple sits on Cambodian territory. The decision of the court was based on a map drawn by French(The guardian of Cambodia at that time), agreed by Thai and recognized by the International Community. The 4.6 square kilometers of land around the the ancient temple is also belong to Cambodian according to the above mentioned map.

Thais, stop your ambitious greed and stop using the Preah Vihear temple and the 4.6 square kilometers of land as pretext for your political gain and take your internal affairs somewhere else. Thais' aggression toward a smaller and weaker country is unacceptable and being watched closely by the world community. Leave Cambodia alone.

Anonymous said...

3:59 you are proud of your country violence. I suggest to you: kill your own people and leave Cambodia alone. We just wanted to rebuild our country.

Anonymous said...

ThaiLand is doing the right things.
As long as Cambodia has VIOLATED the 23 October 1991 peace Agreement
Thailand has the rights to do so...
If Vietnam can do Thailand and Laos can do too.
There is nothing wrong with that, due to PARIS PEACE AGREEMENT.

I say Thailand's doing the great job!
Invade as much as Thai can do....
If Viet can do same as Thai and Laos, doing their part.
Thank You Thai...

Anonymous said...

they kept saying that the fighting isn't the solution, however unless the UN security council step in to intervention by applying the international law, icj law, etc, etc, then don't expect this issue to dissappear or solve itself, really! wake up! siem thugs violated the international treaty, international law, etc, etc, by ignorant and disrespecting the icj verdict of 1962, by being against international intervention, etc, etc. why bother to tell them to stop fighting if the law is being ignored and violated by siem thugs, you know!

Anonymous said...

ថៃច្បាំងប្រឆាំងតតាំងនឹងយួន មិនមែននឹងខ្មែរទេ 
តែយួនមិនហ៊ានអើតក្បាលមកព្រោះ ខ្លាចអន្តរជាតិ
ឃើញក្រឡែតនឹងភ្នែកពេក។
យួនឲ្យខ្មែរស្លាប់ជំនួសយួន ដើម្បីអោយខ្មែរហិន
ហោចងាប់ជំនួសជាតិវា។​ វាបានយកកោះត្រល់
ដែនទឹកសមុទ្រជាច្រើនពាន់គីឡូម៉ែត្រឡា បានធ្វើ
បង្គោលសេមាចូលកន្លះគីឡូម៉ែត្រនឹងជាងមួយ
គីឡូម៉ែត្រ រួចយកប្រទេសខ្មែរត្រួតត្រាថែមទៀត។
សៀមធ្លាប់វាយខ្មែរយួនរហូតដល់កម្ពុជាក្រោម។
សៀមមានការច្រណែននឹងយួនខ្លាំងណាស់
ដូច្នេះវាមិនងាយនឹងឈប់បុករុកជាតិខ្មែរ ឬ រំខាន
ជាតិខ្មែរទេ។
លុះត្រាតែយួន ដកជនជាតិយួន៦លានខុសច្បាប់
ចេញពីស្រុកខ្មែរ ព្រមទាំងទ័ពយួន ២០ពាន់នាក់
លាក់ខ្លួនពួនអាត្មាក្នុងព្រៃស្រោងចំការកៅស៊ូ
ទាំងប្រាំពីរខេត្តចេញពីប្រទេសកម្ពុជា។
ទាំងអស់នេះ ទើបសៀមឲ្យខ្មែរបានសុខ។

Anonymous said...

Var Kim Hong does recognize that Cambodia, if compared to the colonial Service Geographique de l’Indochine scale map 1/100,000 and the 1985 delimitation treaty, will loses 9,000 hectares; and compared to U.S Army Mapping Service scale map 1/50,000 with the 1985 Treaty, would lose about 7,900 hectares to Vietnam. This statement was confirmed by Var Kim Hong to Mr. Touch Bora Esq through a telephone conversation on 30 August 2002 at 4:30 p.m. (Sydney time), which Mr. Touch Bora Esq wrote in his letter dated on 9 September 2002 sent to Sam Dach Ta Noroudom Sihanouk concerning over border affairs.
In fact, the loss is absolutely more than the 1000 square kilometers stated by MP Sam Rainsy in his statement, if we add the size of the historical water of 30000 square kilometers awarded to Vietnam under the 1982 Agreement which has been into affect and now already become under the full control of Vietnam. And this would not be the last if the equidistance principle be used to delimit the maritime boundary, Cambodia will lose an additional area of sea and seabed measuring at least 860 square nautical miles from the Brevie Line to the north, analyzed by Mr. Touch Bora Esq or another 10000 square kilometers confirmed by Mr. Sean Pengse, the President of the Cambodian Border Committee Worldwide, which exclusively include another Koh Poula Wai to Vietnam added to the previous lost islands- Koh Tral (Dao Phu Quoc) and Koh Poulo Panjang (Dao Thu Chu).

This is why sVar Kim Hong said in front of Students´s Movement for Democracy (SMD), and Sam Dach Ta Norodom Sihanouk on 22 Janaury 2000 during our audience with him concerning the border resolution with Vietnam that; “If we want peace, we must sacrifice our flesh to the tiger.” The truth is discovered now that, “Sacrifice the flesh to tiger actually means cutting our land to the Viet.” This word was clearly spoken out from his mouth and there were Sam Dach Ta as witness and 31 members.

We must condemn this Var Kim Hong for his role in helping the traitorous regime of Hun Sen.

Smart Khmer Girl Ms. Rattana Keo,

Anonymous said...

Koh Tral Island must not be forgotten

By Ms. Rattana Keo

Why do Koh Tral Island, known in Vietnam as Phu Quoc, a sea and land area covering proximately over 10,000 km2 [Note: the actual land size of Koh Tral itself is 574 square kilometres (222 sq miles)] have been lost to Vietnam by whose treaty? Why don’t Cambodia government be transparent and explain to Cambodia army at front line and the whole nation about this? Why don't they include this into education system? Why?

Cambodian armies are fighting at front line for 4.6 km2 on the Thai border and what's about over 10,000km2 of Cambodia to Vietnam. Nobody dare to talk about it! Why? Cambodian armies you are decide the fate of your nation, Cambodian army as well as Cambodian people must rethink about this again and again. Is it fair?

Koh Tral Island, the sea and land area of over 10,000 square kilometres have been lost to Vietnam by the 1979 to 1985 treaties. The Cambodian army at front line as well as all Cambodian people must rethink again about these issues. Are Cambodian army fighting to protect the Cambodia Nation or protecting a very small group that own big lands, big properties or only protecting a small group but disguising as protecting the Khmer nation?

The Cambodian army at front lines suffer under rain, wind, bullets, bombs, lack of foods, lack of nutrition and their families have no health care assistance, no securities after they died but a very small group eat well, sleep well, sleep in first class hotel with air conditioning system with message from young girls, have first class medical care from oversea medical treatments, they are billionaires, millionaires who sell out the country to be rich and make the Cambodian people suffer everyday.

Who signed the treaty 1979-1985 that resulted in the loss over 10,000 km2 of Cambodia??? Why they are not being transparent and brave enough to inform all Cambodians and Cambodian army at front line about these issues? Why don't they include Koh Tral (Koh Tral size is bigger than the whole Phom Phen and bigger than Singapore [Note: Singapore's present land size is 704 km2 (271.8 sq mi)]) with heap of great natural resources, in the Cambodian education system?

Look at Hun Sen's families, relatives and friends- they are billionaires, millionaires. Where did they get the money from when we all just got out of war with empty hands [in 1979]? Hun Sen always say in his speeches that Cambodia had just risen up from the ashes of war, just got up from Year Zero with empty hands and how come they are billionaires, millionaires but 90% of innocent Cambodian people are so poor and struggling with their livelihood every day?

Smart Khmer girl Ms. Rattana Keo,

Anonymous said...

you see how thai army dress? they are cover up and ready to go. look at how Khmer army dress, just a walk in the park outfit. Where are all the donation gone too?

Anonymous said...

The truth is youns every where in srok Khmer and how many Thai????? almost zero except business people that frind to the corrupt officials, that is Hun Sen Gangs.

Youns is spreading like mushroom in Cambodia and soon we lost every things start with our culture and then our identity. Youns culture spreading every corner in srok Khmer even sculpture, praying with that little yellow and gold house in front of the house or shop for prosperity, We Cambodian don't have these kind of culture only youns and chens have these kind of culture. What's next???

A national public holiday to celebrate youns new year ????

Right now srok Khmer is half youns already.

Anonymous said...

8:41 AM
The best dressed in the world meant nothing. It was just for show up.
Important was, You love your country and know the reason, you sacrificed for.
Yourself have done nothing, but complained for this and that.

Anonymous said...

I'm getting so tired of war! lost family and friend also my nieghbors.Please G8 and G20 help my people and my Country !!! I believe the whole world is getting sick of it NOW.from beginning to the end of time, China u fuck up this region so please fix it.Thank you!!! May GOD not to destroy the WORLD YET.(2012 OR 3001)

Anonymous said...

Ms Rattana Keo = Fuck husband + Fuck boyfriend at the same time

She is going to fuck her father in law some time too. Her mother in law know it very well and love the rattana keo treesome cultures because the mother in law love treesome too.

All Ms Rattana Keo's friends are treesome like Ms Rattana Keo too (Fuck many boys at the same time).

Vietnam will insert B-21 rocket into ms rattana keo's vagina in order to please her sex life.

Hun Sen will insert another B-21 into ms rattana keo ass hole at the same time too

Anonymous said...

កុំភ័យខ្លាំងពេកលោកអ្នកដែលស្នេហាជាតិខ្មែរអើយ
នៅស្រុកអាគាំងមានខ្មែរមានយួនមានចិនមានសាសន៍ដ៏ទៃទៀតជាច្រើនពួកអាគាំងវាមិនខ្វាយខ្វល់ផង
ចុះលោកប៉ុន្មាននាក់នឹងអីក៏រវល់ម្លេះ?
បើចង់ដេញសាសន៍ដ៍ទៃចេញពីស្រុកខ្មែរសូមអញ្ជើញ
មកដេញខ្លួនឯងទៅ។ក្រែងលោកអន្តរជាតិគេយក
ពួកអ្នកឯងទៅដាក់គុកបានខ្លះ។ពួកអ្នកឯងពិតជា
រអើងជាតិសាសន៍ពិតប្រាកដមែនហើយ។

Anonymous said...

បើសៀមហ៊ានច្បាំងនឹងយួនទាល់តែសៀមខំបង្កើត
កូនឲ្យបានថែមទៀតពីព្រោះយួនវាវ៉ាយតែមួយប្រ៉ាវ
យកបាងកកបាត់ទៅហើយ។

Anonymous said...

12:56 PM,

Communist Vietnam and Hanoi should be bombed with Nuclear Atomic bombs to destroy all all the evil bastards and bitches on the planet. Then let China take Die Viet back, let Champa take Central Vietnam back and Southern Vietnam should be returned to Khmer or Cambodia back.

Yuon or Vietnamese people and their leaders did not stop their hypocrite behaviors, but still cause more trouble to the world.

Vietnam is a very evil country with their evil people. China, please destroy all Yuon or Vietnamese for Khmer people, please and give them the big lesson to learn. Thanks!

How about that, Yuon bitch?