Monday, September 05, 2011

China offered Gadhafi huge stockpiles of arms: Libyan memos

GRAEME SMITH
TRIPOLI— From Saturday's Globe and Mail
Published Friday, Sep. 02, 2011

China offered huge stockpiles of weapons to Colonel Moammar Gadhafi during the final months of his regime, according to papers that describe secret talks about shipments via Algeria and South Africa.

Documents obtained by The Globe and Mail show that state-controlled Chinese arms manufacturers were prepared to sell weapons and ammunition worth at least $200-million to the embattled Col. Gadhafi in late July, a violation of United Nations sanctions.

The documents suggest that Beijing and other governments may have played a double game in the Libyan war, claiming neutrality but covertly helping the dictator. The papers do not confirm whether any military assistance was delivered, but senior leaders of the new transitional government in Tripoli say the documents reinforce their suspicions about the recent actions of China, Algeria and South Africa. Those countries may now suffer a disadvantage as Libya’s new rulers divide the spoils from their vast energy resources, and select foreign firms for the country’s reconstruction.


Omar Hariri, chief of the transitional council’s military committee, reviewed the documents and concluded that they explain the presence of brand-new weapons his men encountered on the battlefield. He expressed outrage that the Chinese were negotiating an arms deal even while his forces suffered heavy casualties in the slow grind toward Tripoli.

“I’m almost certain that these guns arrived and were used against our people,” Mr. Hariri said.

Senior rebel officials confirmed the authenticity of the four-page memo, written in formal style on the green eagle letterhead used by a government department known as the Supply Authority, which deals with procurement. The Globe and Mail found identical letterhead in the Tripoli offices of that department. The memo was discovered in a pile of trash sitting at the curb in a neighbourhood known as Bab Akkarah, where several of Col. Gadhafi’s most loyal supporters had lavish homes.

The document reports in detail about a trip by Col. Gadhafi’s security officials from Tripoli to Beijing. They arrived on July 16, and in the following days they met with officials from three state-controlled weapons manufacturers: China North Industries Corp. (Norinco); the China National Precision Machinery Import & Export Corp. (CPMIC); and China XinXing Import & Export Corp. The Chinese companies offered the entire contents of their stockpiles for sale, and promised to manufacture more supplies if necessary.

The hosts thanked the Libyans for their discretion, emphasized the need for confidentiality, and recommended delivery via third parties.

“The companies suggest that they make the contracts with either Algeria or South Africa, because those countries previously worked with China,” the memo says.

The Chinese companies also noted that many of the items the Libyan delegation requested were already held in the arsenals of the Algerian military, and could be transported immediately across the border; the Chinese said they could replenish the Algerian stocks afterward. The memo also indicated that Algeria had not yet consented to such an arrangement, and proposed further talks at the branch offices of the Chinese companies in Algiers.

Appendices stapled to the memo, and scattered nearby, show the deadly items under discussion: truck-mounted rocket launchers; fuel-air explosive missiles; and anti-tank missiles, among others. Perhaps most controversially, the Chinese apparently offered Col. Gadhafi’s men the QW-18, a surface-to-air missile small enough for a soldier to carry on his shoulder – roughly similar to a U.S. Stinger, capable of bringing down some military aircraft.

Government spokespeople in Beijing, Algiers and Pretoria either declined to comment or could not be reached on Friday. E-mails sent to two Chinese arms manufacturers were not answered.

The three governments have been reluctant to endorse NATO’s actions in Libya, but claimed to support the arms embargo. Before abstaining from the UN resolution that authorized “all necessary measures” to protect civilians, China approved an earlier decision, Resolution 1970, that banned all military assistance to Tripoli. At the time, China’s representative at the United Nations said the “bloodshed and civilian casualties” were part of the “special circumstances” that prompted his country to vote in favour of the sanctions. South Africa also endorsed the sanctions, saying they would send a message that the Libyan regime should stop its indiscriminate use of force.

Algerian Foreign Minister Mourad Medelci issued a statement on Thursday, saying that his country had “resolutely applied” the terms of UN resolutions, and complaining about widespread rumours to the contrary.

“The truth of Algeria’s behaviour will be revealed,” Mr. Medelci said.

A possible justification for any state caught supplying weapons to Col. Gadhafi would be that NATO, and other sponsors of the Libyan rebels, were funnelling arms to the opposite side of the conflict. Trucks filled with war supplies rolled across the Egyptian border for rebels in the east, and France confirmed that it dropped weapons – including Milan anti-tank missiles – into the hands of rebels in the mountains of the western front.

Those supplies for the rebels were not prohibited by Resolution 1970, however; the embargo referred specifically to the “Libyan Arab Jamahiriya,” or Libyan government.

“About the ‘Oh, NATO did it too!’ defence, I don’t think it holds,” said Shashank Joshi, an associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, a defence think tank.

Arms embargoes are usually monitored by panels of experts appointed by the United Nations. George Lopez, a professor at the Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies who recently served on such a panel, said that proof of a violation typically requires a bill of lading or other documentation to show that weapons changed hands.

If anybody strikes a deal that breaks the rules, however, it may also qualify as a sanctions violation.

“The willingness to assent to the deal is all that is needed,” Mr. Lopez said.

Given the difficulty of punishing UN embargo breaches, it seems likely that the more important consequences for the countries involved – China and Algeria in particular – will be their tarnished reputations in Tripoli.

Now that Col. Gadhafi has lost power, the Chinese appear to fear, with some justification, that they could lose their foothold in the Libyan oil fields.

“Oil is a basis for war, and oil was the fundamental interest behind the war,” wrote the Chinese media group Caixin in a recent commentary.

A senior official at the Arabian Gulf Oil Co., in Benghazi, told The Globe and Mail last month that he would be reluctant to do business with Chinese companies in future because of their government’s stand against the rebellion.

While a diplomatic quarrel between China and Libya may have significant economic implications, the tensions along the Algerian border may prove more troublesome from a security standpoint. Many Libyans already feel outraged by the fact that Col. Gadhafi’s wife and three children escaped into Algeria last week, and a rebel commander suggested that his men might pursue them into Algerian territory.

At the beginning of the uprising, rebels used radar installations at Benina Airport, near Benghazi, to track suspicious aircraft travelling between Algeria and the loyalist strongholds of Sabha and Surt. They recorded details for several flights by giant C-130 Hercules and Ilyushin Il-76 transport planes, bearing registration codes used by the Algerian military.

“Now we know what was inside those planes,” said Mohammed Sayeh, a member of the National Transitional Council. “That is why it took the Libyan people such a long time to get rid of the dictator, because they were fighting against the mercenaries and machinery provided by our neighbours.”

The new leadership in Tripoli seems acutely aware, however, that Libya needs peace with the neighbours during this shaky moment of transition. Having seized control of the capital, the rebels have not yet secured some of the remote desert towns that remain dangerously close to the Algerian border. Even while criticizing Algiers for its role in the war, Mr. Hariri referred to the Algerians as “brothers;” Mr. Sayeh emphasized that the new government must forge good relations with all countries, regardless of their history.

“We will start a new era,” Mr. Sayeh said. “We will forgive them, but we will not forget.

Battle-hardened fighters seem less inclined to forgive. The authoritarian regime in Algiers now finds itself uncomfortably close to two North African countries that have overthrown their dictators, which could offer staging grounds for dissidents. Salaheldin Badi, a former pilot who commands one of the Misrata brigades that rushed into Tripoli last month, hinted that his men might be willing to let their revolutionary fervour spill across the border.

“Algeria played an important role, helping Gadhafi get his Chinese weapons,” Mr. Badi said. “That’s okay,” he added, with a mischievous grin, “because we will send weapons back for the revolutions in their countries.

20 comments:

Anonymous said...


That is clear policy, China has always by now suppot the communism and dictators. Look to Cambodia during Pol Pot, Sihanouk, Hun Sen today adn Libya now. The NTC has always say China support Gaddafi, now it a proof.

Now NTC say that "we cut all contracts that China make with Gaddafi, in the future we don't want make contract with China at all". Opposite France had only small economy relation during Gaddafi reign, now France has 33% of oil contract with new Libaya goventment, event the firm "Total" has more to do. Without France and UK Bangahzi will be the killing fields like in Cambodia. So, the new libyan people they know that who is the bet friends and the bad boys for them. In fact, France and UK must deserve this result as gratefulness.

What China? maybe 1 % of oil share, that is very good for their policy.

Anonymous said...

here you all can see what the China said "http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/Libya"

Anonymous said...

Origonal deny from China about the weapons with Gaddafi:

Willem van Kemenade, a China analyst, spoke to Al Jazeera about China's announcement that arms companies had made arrangements with Gaddafi's regime behind the government's back:

The Chinese denial has plausibility in the sense that the Chinese government particularly the Foreign Ministry has no control over a lot of the large influential state companies, including arms dealers..

Secondly, that China has seriously comtemplated supplying arms at that late stage in the Libyan conflict, I find very doubtful because the Chinese have been making overtures to the rebels from June. But there has been a lot of posturing of course. Some of these rebel leaders have been issuing warnings that countries like Russia and China who have not been supporting the coalition from the very beginning, might be penalised by exclusion from the reconstruction programme. And it's quite conceivable that China is playing its own games and the rebel counsel has indeed toyed with those ideas. .

But it is inconceivable that China will be excluded from the reconstruction because it is one of the top players in the world in the construction industry, in infrastructure, in supply of labour for large projects, etc. Moreover it's one of the top five in the UN security counsel.

Source ""http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/Libya"

Ha ha, China wash their hand from the blood like in Cambodia during Killing Fileds.

Anonymous said...

That's what China is . China is a biggest Evil in the world and it never care about people's life . Just look back at Cambodia in the early 70s . China was the biggest Khmer Rouge supporter and Cambodia lost almost two million innocent lives by the hand of the Khmer Rouge and , did China know anything about it ? If China has its own way , every country in the world will lead by the
Dictatorial Government like Cambodia right now.

Anonymous said...

China government is nothing but Evil old commuist. They dont take care of it own people. Why should they care about others country. That show you Taiwain that you need US modern weapon. all the sorrounding should prepare to defend it country against China aggression. Dont want to see red army muching throug your town.

Anonymous said...

8:40 PM and 9:03 PM,

could I add and share my arguments with your both?

1) During 1975-79, it had 6000 Chinesse experts in Cambodia, I saw my eyes. But didn't nothings about killing fields, the Phnom Penh with 2 miollions before 1975 and in the Pol pot regime was empty China didn't too. IF USA or France or UK only 200 experts were living in these period. The world will say imperialism or colonialism without moral and support the killers, is that fair?

2) Before Pol Pol fough South Vienam (Kampochea Krom) in 1978, Pol Pot said China will support new weapons and Anti-tanks against Viet tanks. But later China didn't provided Pol Pot and make the ways free for Vietnam invaded Kapuchea. That the fact history with China, the best friend of Sihanouk.

3) the Chinesse policy is always support a) communist countries adn b) dictators like China supports Hun Sen today or Gaddafi.

4) In the future, if the world without USA, France, UK and the other alliances with democracy principles, the dictators will raise up very qickly by support from China policy.

Thanks

Anonymous said...

Too bad both U.S.A and China supported Khmer Rouge after 1979. Too bad U.S.A also supported those dictators in Egypt (before revolution) and Saudi Arabia.

Anonymous said...

Foreigner always thinks about their country best interest first. No question about that. No other coutnry care about the people other than their own first.
This can apply to Cambodian's case for many centuries. We always trust foreigners.... we never trust our own people. We always kill each other to please foreigners.

This is about Khmer after Angkor period.

Anonymous said...

11:07 PM,

correct

Anonymous said...

China is purely evil and hypocrite!!

Anonymous said...

Look bla bla statement from China
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http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/Libya
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Anonymous said...

China is trying to manipulate your dirty arms deal with Gaddafi, to get the contract of crude oil and Reconstruction with NCT. But most of Libya fighter hate Chinesse dirty business and they have enough evidence.

It's so funny that China cann't
China is trying to manipulate your dirty arms deal with Gaddafi, to get the contract of crude oil and Reconstruction with NCT. But most of Libya fighter hate Chinesse dirty business and they have enough evidence.

It's so funny that China can not control the arms dealers.

But what will happen if the Stamp of documentation comes from the Chinese authorities.

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Anonymous said...

NOT ONLY CHINA GET INVOLVED IN LIBYA,BUT THE UK AND THE CIA GET INVOLED AND GET ALONG WITH GARDAFY TOO!.HOW ABOUT THE NATO WITH SOME EU AND AMERICA,INCLUDING THE COMMANDER OF NATO,IS CANADIAN GENERAL,WHAT IS ABOUT THAT??????.ESPECIALLY,THE AMERICA WHO HELP THE NATO TO BOMB AND KILLED A LOT OF CIVILIANS IN LIBYA!...WHAT'S ABOUT THAT????....EVERYTHING..IS ALL ABOUT AMERICA'S GOVERNMENT BEHIND THE BACK DOOR!!!WHO BETRAY THEIR OWN PEOPLES BY SPENDING A TRILLION DOLLARS TO SPEND ON THE WEAPONS TO DRAG SOME LEADERS OVERSEA FOR THEIRS INTERESTING!.I LOVE TO LIVE IN AMERICA BUT I DON'T LIKE SOME AMERICAN'S GOVERNMENT POLICIES!.ABOUT WHAT 'D HAPPENED IN CAMBODIA DURING 1970-1979,IF AMERICAN'S GOVERNMENT DIDN'T BOMB IN(NEAK-LEOUNG)CAMBODIA,THAT KILLED A LOT OF KHMER'S CIVILIANS.THOUGH,THE KHMER ROUGE WOULDN'T EXIST TOO,BECAUSE OF PRESIDENT(RECHARD NIXON AND HENRY KISSINGGER)WITHOUT INFORMED TO THE SENATORS,ONLY COLLABORATED WITH CIA!!!!!SO THEN,WHO'S DICKS CAN JUDGE OR BRING THEM TO THE INTERNATIONAL'S WAR CRIMINAL????.ONLY GOD COULD SEE EVERYTHIN 'S GOING ON IN THIS WORLD!.KHMER ROUGE'S LEADERS HAVE TO FACTION ONE BELONGED TO A REAL KHMER COMPATRIOTS BACK BY CHINA AND THE OTHERONE BELONGED TO VIET-CONG ALIAS KHMER-YIEK-MING,WHO 'D PLAYED GAME OF POLITIC IN CAMBODIA LONG TIME AGO,BACK BY RUSSIA!.THE TWO POWERFUL OF COMMUNIST COUNTRIES 'D USED CAMBODIA AS A BATTLE FIELD FOR COMPETITION.STOP BLAMING ONLY ONE COUNTRY,THERE MUST BE THE OTHER GET INVOLVED TOO!,SPEAKING FOR REAL!.

Anonymous said...

6:33 AM,

You are the communist red gard, right?

Before USA bombed in Cambodia, president Nixon had warned Sihanouk many times about the present of more than 70 000 soldiers of Vietcong and Nort Vietnam army in Khmer territory. But Sihanouk ignored. As a neutral country allow Sihanouk to do that the brain washed ?

Don't so pround as Khmer, your land now full of Vietnam now. Near the future your children will the slave Viet, OK. You see only oneside and short term, for a long term you are really blind.

Anonymous said...

6:33 AM,
you must to help Gaddafi because Gaddafi is your father. Your argument is so dump stupid. USA, France and UK bomb Gaddafi in order of UN, but China help Gaddafi for month ago with weapons, whic UNIV are you from mother fuck?

Anonymous said...

7:38AM,YOU ARE A REAL MOTHER FUCKER!..OK!.WHAT DID UN SAY BEFORE THAT?(NO FLY ZONE)RIGHT?,SO THEN!...AND WHY THEY BOMBED AND KILLED A LOT OF CIVILIANS AND WHAT ALL THOSE REBELLIONS GET ALL THE WEAPONS TO FIGHT?????......I 'M NOT STAND ON GADDAFY'S SIDE,BUT WE HAVE TO BE HORNEST.ONLY THE TRUE THAT GOD CAN JUDGE!,NOT YOU,NOT EVEN ME!.WHO WILL PAY THE PRIZE OF CAMBODIAN INNOCENT LIVE,HAD BEEN KILLED BY AMERICAN'S BOMBED B52,TELL ME YOU ALL SCUMP!.REMEMBER THAT KHMER'S LIVE,NOT LIKE ANIMAL!...OK!..MAY BE YOUR!PSYCHOPATH!.

Anonymous said...

9:14 AM,
Amswer:
- Your:
1) WHAT DID UN SAY BEFORE THAT?(NO FLY ZONE)RIGHT?
->NATO bombed because UN allowed them.Or you wanted to see Gaddafi killed Libyan people in Benzgazi? When France and UK's jets did not come on time. Benzgazi will be killing Fields like in Kampuchea. And do you know who stand behind the Killing fields except Pol Pot?

2) WHO WILL PAY THE PRIZE OF CAMBODIAN INNOCENT LIVE,HAD BEEN KILLED BY AMERICAN'S BOMBED B52
-> During the Vietnam war Cambodia was the neutral nation like Swiss. Why:
a) Sihanouk allowed Vietcong and Viet army to stay deep into Cambodian territory and those fought the south Vietnam?
b) why he built pack with communist countries like Vietnam , China, .. Why not with France because his tron was giveb by France.
b) MAY BE YOUR!PSYCHOPATH!
-> Yes, I will be later PSYCHOPATH (at the present NO). Because some of Khmers (Youns in Khmer) with washed brain like you. I can tell you, I have a lot of firends from south Vietna in Danan, Saigon. They asked me: are the Vietnesses every where in Kampuchea? and added that we (south Vietnam) are the 2nd class people too in Vietnam. All boss come from north and those are never trust what they said.

Please enjoy with your.

Anonymous said...

new from Libya:
"http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/Libya"

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