Monday, February 27, 2012

New Govt: Who is Really in Control?


by Nate Thayer 
Friday, 19 November 1993, Phnom Penh Post
Nate Thayer

The three adopted Samdachs ['Princes'] sitting in front row. Sar Kheng is in the back row, between his brother-in-law and King Father's favourite adopted son! [School of Vice]
 
“Diplomats say that Sar Kheng and Chea Sim remain more suspicious of a powerful monarchy than Hun Sen.”
“While analysts agree that the elections bestowed a vital legitimacy of popular support on FUNCINPEC which forced the CPP to bow partly to popular will, the fundamental means of how power is achieved, protected and maintained, remains constant to that in modern Cambodian political culture- rife with united front alliances, partnerships of convenience, backroom powerplays, and the promise of conflict at the first show of weakness.”

When scores of opposition party figures were systematically gunned down during the elections, the U.N. accused the ruling Cambodian People's Party of controlling the death squads. And when the CPP lost the election, their leaders mounted an armed secession of the eastern half of the country refusing to hand over power.

The glow of the elections has long faded, the U.N/ has gone, the transition period over, and, with muted pomp, a new government was formed earlier this month.

But many analysts say that when the smoke clears and the rhetoric subsides, those in real power in Cambodia may remain the same CPP leaders who lost the U.N. organized elections.

Despite the U.N. leaders self-congratulatory applause of UNTAC as a "model" for the future missions, the election results have become only one of the influences that will decide the new government.

The entrenched old methods of power politics - intimidation, the threat of violence, factional power bases, and the control of armed forces, security apparatus, and the loyalty of rank and file bureaucracy - will remain the dominant forces determining who comes out in control of the new government in coming months.


FUNCINPEC has emerged with the key portfolios of the Prime Minister's office, Foreign Affairs and Finance, while the CPP has the 2nd Prime Ministership, key positions in the Council of Ministers, Commerce, Agriculture, and the head of the National Assembly.

On paper the two parties share the leadership of the Interior and Defense Ministries. The Buddhist Liberal Democratic Party(BLDP) has been given the Information portfolio in a compromise between the two larger parties.

But analysts say that in itself, the leadership of these ministries represent only the veneer of power and control. They say the traditions of organizing power in Cambodia are rooted in control of the armed forces, interior and security apparatus, state bureaucracy and, importantly, the provincial political structures which control police, armed forces, tax collection, and civil service.

These areas remain under the control of the CPP faction and respond to political loyalty before central authority, analysts say.

FUNCINPEC officials say that such an analysis is premature since they only just assumed office, and that they did not have the authority during the transitional government to make serious efforts to take control of the ministries they were awarded.

"The Royal government has been only two weeks in operation," Economics and Finance Minister Sam Rainsy told the Post on Nov. 15. "This is still a transitional period," he said, but claimed that efforts to gain control of the government would be a priority of his party.

"We will introduce FUNCINPEC cadre to all levels of ministries," he said, arguing that many CPP cadre actually voted for his party.

"The CPP knows they are fighting a rear-guard action [to keep loyalty]. They know the trend is not for the CPP. The trend is for democracy. The development of the country means political transparency and that is against the CPP interests," he added.

Others were more pessimistic. "They [FUNCINPEC] control their offices, their cars, but they do not control the bureaucracy," said one official close to Sihanouk.

"The official titles are just theater - a cinema," said another source close to Sihanouk.

"Inside the roots of the CPP are too deep, mainly the Sar Kheng/Chea Sim people. The administrative structure has been maintained, the military status quo and the administrative status quo. Not 100 percent but 90 percent. Only 10 percent will be fulfilled by FUNCINPEC," he said.

Observers point to the Foreign Ministry as an example of the difficulties FUNCINPEC has faced in assuming real control of the ministries they have been awarded. FUNCINPEC sources say that only two of their officials have been appointed to the ministry since they assumed control more than three months ago - the Foreign Minister Prince Norodom Sirivuddh and an Assistant Secretary of State.

Rainsy admitted that having the central government gain control of the provincial apparatus, where 80 percent of the population reside, will be difficult.

He cited "defacto autonomy of the provinces [ that] we have had neither the time nor the political means to bring the provinces under central control, otherwise there would have been chaos".

Rainsy said, "central authority has very little knowledge - not even to speak of control - but knowledge of the provinces."

Cambodia's provinces, under the communist style system, are controlled by a governor, who's real authority come from his position as head of the all-powerful provincial Party apparatus.

He traditionally controls provincial armed forces, the police and security services, the bureaucracy, and revenue collection. He reports to the party, not the state.

In the provinces, the CPP structure remains wholly intact, giving enormous national power to people such as Sar Kheng.

Sar Kheng, some diplomats and analysts say, is emerging as one of the single most powerful personalities in the new government.

Made one of two vice Prime Ministers, Sar Kheng also maintains his position as Minister of Interior. But it is his role in the CPP party structure that has given him the influence that he wields.

His biography mirrors many who remain powerful in the new Royal government. Sar Kheng was born Jan. 15, 1951, in Prey Veng province to a father active in the revolutionary Issarak movement.

He joined the revolution on the day of the Lon Nol coup in 1970 (according to his official biography, although it is believed he was active prior to this) and steadily rose up the Khmer Rouge ranks.

He survived purges of his superiors in 1976, working in propaganda organs in the northeast and east under the Khmer Rouge and joined the resistance against Pol Pot's leadership in May 1978.

After the Vietnamese invasion he served as secretary to then party head Pen Sovann, before Sovann himself was purged and arrested by the Vietnamese in 1982.

During the Vietnamese occupation, Sar Kheng steadily rose through the ranks, serving in key organizational party posts, elected to the central committee in 1984, the politburo in 1988, and in 1990 was given one of the most powerful positions in a communist structure, that of president of the party's commission for organization. He is the brother in law of party chairman Chea Sim.

As head of party organization, Sar Kheng controlled virtually all appointments to party posts, which under the Leninist structure supersedes in importance government or state positions. This includes provincial governor ships and scores of other key positions of influence in state organs and ministries.

When the Paris Peace Accords required the CPP to remove direct party control over the components of government, Sar Kheng assumed his new position of minister of interior. This is a rough equivalent of the party's organization portfolio, because of it's supremacy over the nationwide bureaucracy. Much of the new government's civil servants - at least indirectly - owe him their jobs from when the Party was in charge of approving appointments.

With Chea Sim in charge of the National Assembly (a post he retains from the 1980s when Cambodia was a one-party state) and Sar Kheng in charge of the Interior Ministry, their faction wields enormous power with the security services, the legislative body and the provincial authorities.

The intellectuals within the CPP are largely allied with Hun Sen, who controls the other faction within the CPP. In the cabinet line-up of the new Royal government, all except a handful of senior CPP officials are Hun Sen loyalists, observers say.

As a result, Sar Kheng has begun to attract and recruit a number of intellectuals to policy positions in the Interior Ministry.

A number of senior officials of the Liberal Democratic Party (formerly the armed wing of the republican Khmer People's National Liberation Front) are expected to hold positions with Sar Kheng.

Analysts say that after a poor showing in the elections, the LDP leaders need patrons to protect them, and the Sar Kheng Chea Sim faction - largely controlled by former peasant revolutionaries - need intellectuals to give them legitimacy and help them adjust to a more complicated political terrain of diplomacy.

The KPNLF attracted a number of savvy, bright, educated technocrats to their guerrilla movement in the 1980s. The former chief of cabinet for the Liberal Democratic Party, Ok Serei Sopheak, has been recruited as chief of Staff at Sar Kheng's Interior Ministry.

Like many from the LDP, he is widely respected as a bright, knowledgeable politician and administrator by diplomats and others - exactly what the CPP faction lacks.

But analysts say the alliance is a logical one as well. Many KPNLF intellectuals remain deeply suspicious, as do the CPP, of a powerful monarchy and Royalist control over political decision.

"It is a coincidence of interests," says one senior KPNLF official. Another said it offers a healthy "checks and balance" to the rise of Royalist influence. Diplomats say that Sar Kheng and Chea Sim remain more suspicious of a powerful monarchy than Hun Sen.

As an indication of the rising star of Sar Kheng, the Post has learned he has been invited to officially visit the United States in coming weeks. Sponsored by the United States Information Service, the trip is designed to expose foreign leaders to the mechanisms of democracy and political pluralism, and will include an itinerary largely designed by Sar Kheng himself. Sources say that one of the purposes of the trip is to wean him away from the influence of Vietnam, his patron during the last 14 years.

Diplomats say that it appears Hun Sen and his faction are declining in influence, with much of the role they played in the old government - of a moderate face acceptable to the West - having been co-opted by FUNCINPEC in the new government.

"Hun Sen knows that the Chea Sim group and FUNCINPEC want to eliminate him. He is weak, but still has real power," said one senior official of the new government. Added a diplomat:"Don't underestimate him."

Some point to the conflict over the appointment of Son Soubert to the vice president of the National Assembly as demonstrating that Hun Sen still maintains influence. While Chea Sim supported the appointment and Hun Sen opposed it, Chea Sim could only deliver 11 CPP votes on the first attempt. It was only after Sihanouk intervened that Soubert was approved, according to sources close to the debate.

During the elections many of the hard-line party operatives (mostly loyal to Chea Sim and Sar Kheng) were replaced on the ballot by CPP United Front technocrats and moderates (mostly loyal to Hun Sen) to give the CPP a more gentle reform image to the electorate.

As a result, the CPP assembly representatives are disproportionately composed of Hun Sen loyalists.

The only people who appear to be happy about all this potential for conflict within the ranks of the new government is the Party of Democratic Kampuchea - the Khmer Rouge.

Khmer Rouge sources say that despite the widely-held belief that they are terminally ill as a political force in Cambodia, they remain confident that the new government will collapse under the pressure of internal conflicts. They predict an increase in corruption and say a declining economic state in the rural areas will undermine popular support for the new government after an initial political "honeymoon" of several months.

Their mood is "confident" and their strategy is to maintain control over their forces, encourage instability in the countryside, exploit discontent among FUNCINPEC cadre, and wait for an opportunity to seek a greater role in a future administration.

Sources say that King Sihanouk keeps direct contact with the Khmer Rouge and remains convinced they should be brought into some power-sharing role for the sake of long-term stability.

Sources point to Sihanouk's recent decision to appoint Khmer Rouge senior diplomats to his personal cabinet in Beijing as an indication of his sentiment towards the group.

While it is much too early to predict which political trends will prevail, it is increasingly clear that the elections served only as a moderate influence in the struggle for political power in recent months and that much of the real conflict lies ahead.

While analysts agree that the elections bestowed a vital legitimacy of popular support on FUNCINPEC which forced the CPP to bow partly to popular will, the fundamental means of how power is achieved, protected and maintained, remains constant to that in modern Cambodian political culture- rife with united front alliances, partnerships of convenience, backroom powerplays, and the promise of conflict at the first show of weakness.

76 comments:

Anonymous said...

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ហឹង្សា ....................ឈ្នះអាខ្វាក់ !!!

ហឹង្សា ....................ឈ្នះអាយួន !!

Anonymous said...

There are 99% of evil and 1% of good Khmer in this story.
I wonder what these people eat and drink that turn them into crocodiles, tearing up their own kind and the land of their birth ruthlessly for personal gain?
Are the majority of Khmer naturally born with such utter ignorance, greed, hatred, dark and heartless predatory mindset beyond salvation?
Neither Buddha, nor Christ, nor Allah could save Cambodia from doom as long as these animals are around.
Think Khmer, think real hard, it needs more than the freaking elections to uproot these spineless creeps.

Anonymous said...

Planet of One Eye Ape ,part 2?

Anonymous said...

4:50 AM

Well, you certainly didn't mince your words there!

Well, done my friend!

Anonymous said...

Hun Sen has been a good politica tool for yuon Hanoi to influx million illegal yuon into Cambodia known as Indochina Fedreation.

Anonymous said...

GOD is ALLAH and ALLAH is GOD. The 2 Names are ONE. French called DIEU, ENGLISH called GOD, Muslim called ALLAH. BUDDHA sent From heaven to teach all of us Dharma to end the sufferings BUT we seem to accumulate more sufferings upon ourselves. We humans are more toward EVILS than good.

Anonymous said...

To: 4:50 AM

You are spot on, us Khmers have a lot of human short comings, which need to be dealt with thoroughly before any thing positive can happen to Cambodia.

In China and Vietnam, they teach kids from a very young age to be patriotic, to love the motherland, serve the motherland, defend the motherland, develop the motherland etc...

Culturally, they are strong, they are hard working, they don't feel proud as easy as us Khmers, they value education highly, us Khmers don't care much about good education. Just look at how many hundred thousand Khmers living in the West, how many of them graduate from university, not even half. And us Khmer can easily be corrupted.
Future democratic government of Cambodia must look to successful countries around the world to figure out how to copy them to fix Cmbodia's ills.

Singapore is a good country for us to study and to take as a role model etc...

Anonymous said...

Yeah, let's all go islamic!!!

Anonymous said...

According ancient aliens theory that Mormonism is the last religion on earth.

Anonymous said...

School of Vice, the way you used the past and present tense in the article is very confusing.

“As an indication of the rising star of Sar Kheng, the Post has learned he has been invited to officially visit the United States in coming weeks. Sponsored by the United States Information Service, the trip is designed to expose foreign leaders to the mechanisms of democracy and political pluralism, and will include an itinerary largely designed by Sar Kheng himself. Sources say that one of the purposes of the trip is to wean him away from the influence of Vietnam, his patron during the last 14 years.”

In the quotation above, is that already happened or is it going to happen soon?

Anonymous said...

GOD HELP THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES.
Action is inside the country not outside.
Estimation of Khmers population:
14000000(Khmers+Chineses+Vietnameses+Chams)
Khmers pure race are not more than 3 millions.
Why CPP always win election,calculate youselves.

Anonymous said...

Will happen again soon.

Anonymous said...

This article says it all about the diseases afflicting Cambodian so-called leaders from extreme KR communists to royalists and all of those in between. I have never considered anyone of them to be a real leader anyway.

Even after the killing fields and Vietnamese occupation, to put it bluntly up to the time when this article was written, Cambodian leaders only thought and think of how to maitain their power base and influence; the destiny of a country and her people to whom they belong is not in list of their priority.

You can blame Vietnam and Thailand all you want for the sufferings and problems in Cambodia; any country including the western ones will exploit such a division, short-sightedness, selfishness, greed and studipity of the leaders of their neighbours to the fullest!

Just remember that Angkor Empire could not have expanded without the weakness and perhaps the stupidty of the neighbouring states and caused also the tremondous suffering and loss of others!

Looking right now at the current political situation in the country, one can see that there has been nothing changed in the mentality of these Cambodian so-called leaders and possibly leaders-to-be. The same story is being told again and again with tear of the poor flowing continously and laughter nowhere in sight.

Solution? I count on conscience, but it seems these leaders have none of that; education takes times and needs to be properly administered; do we have time? I don't know.

Frustrated? Yes, I am to the point of being pissed off so badly!

Pissed off

Anonymous said...

6:36 AM,

This is an old article written by by Nate Thayer on Friday, 19 November 1993 in the Phnom Penh Post.

If you were to read it then or a few days later, there would not be any confusion at all.

School of Vice said...

Singapore is undoubtedly an economic success story due to the coincidence or confluence of its cultural and geographical factors, but it is not a democratic state.

Cambodia can learn from all countries, including Singapore, in matters of economics, finance etc. but for model of liberal democracy and polity, there are unequivocally more progressive countries round the world, including those in the Asia-Pacific Rim sphere. There is no doubt, that Singapore is in a far better state than Cambodia is in hers. The position that autocratic states like Singapore [and to similar extent] Malaysia find themselves in at present could have been the position that Cambodia itself would likely have evolved into, had it not been for the political upheavals taking place in the seventies and nineties - i.e. a thriving market economy, growing affluent professional middle classes, but a situation qualified by very limited political freedom and liberty that have otherwise been enjoyed by countries like South Korea and Japan who are also economic success stories just like Singapore.

There are, however, more immediate reasons for Cambodia to aspire to better or genuine democratic aims, rather than repeating or moving in the same cycle of political repression, civil war, economic backwardness, loss of national sovereignty, foreign interference etc. As Japan and Germany had shown before and after 1945, a strong national economy could be rapidly built and then be decimated suddenly, and then again be rebuilt once more within relatively brief successions.

The great suffering and the sacrifice that had been meted out to the Cambodian people demand that the nation cast its glance further afield in search of a vision that it had not - through lack of foresight - found in the past if it is to find lasting remedy for its fundamental ills.

Man should aspire to more than the freedom to eat and blindly obey.

Anonymous said...

ខ្មែរស៊ីអាចមន៏ យួន​ ហើយ ពេល​នេះ!

Anonymous said...

To: 7:33AM

The most important thing is the regaining of our independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity, without them, nothing is possible.

It is not easy to have pure democracy while a lot of us Khmers are illiterate to figure out what is good for the country long term. Singapore style of democracy for Cambodia now is OK.

So what we have to do is to purify our candidates for senate positions, cabinet positions etc..., to make sure they are all academically , economically, morally, ethically, qualified and have the abilities to do their jobs well.

School of Vice said...

Dear poster @ 6:36 AM

This article was published on 19th November 1993, in the Phnom Penh Post as noted.

The article was authored by Nate Thayer and is reproduced here without any alterations by myself. And yes, the quoted events had already taken place.

Thayer is one of the most astute observers of Cambodia's politics [as attested by this piece] and I think he had one or two run-ins with the Cambodian hierarchy in his time in the 1990s because of his thorough investigative zeal.

Bearing in mind that this article was written in 1993, it is quite prescient in its overall assessments and conclusions.

Moreover, the generally hopeful or sanguine tone embedded in the article with regard to the widely perceived "liberal" Sar Kheng and his possible challenge to the more thuggish and morose Hun Sen may have been somewhat misplaced in light of the violence that was to follow in 1997, in particular.

Remember Kheng was [and still is] head of the Interior Ministry at the times of the grenade attack outside the old National Assembly upon civilians and the assassinations of several Funcinpec officers, including Ho Sok who was murdered while in captivity at Kheng's Ministry.

Sorry, I went on a bit. Hope this clears things up for your.

Anonymous said...

យ៉ាងម៉េចហើយ ពូខេង អ្ហ៊ើយ???!!! ល្មមចាប់
ឃាតករដែលបានបាញ់ កម្មករ កម្មការីនី រោងចក្រ
ទាំងបី​នៅឯតំបន់សេដ្ឋកិច្ចពិសេស ម៉េនហាតថិន
មកញាត់គុកហើយឬនៅ? អ្នកស្រុកបាវិតកំពុងអន្ទៈ
សារចង់ដឹងខ្លាំងណាស់៕

Anonymous said...

Cambodia has been in political turbulent for so long. I am glad that we came out ok ,for now, but the rest of history will continues... hope they have learned something from this turbulent past and turn the course for something better for our people. Cambodia must put the interest of the nation first period. There is no other way better to do.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, School of Vice and 6:36 AM, for clearing up my confusion.

Anonymous said...

Wisdom Said:

Because you disdained all my counsel, And would have none of my rebuke, I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your terror comes, When your terror comes like a storm, And your destruction comes like a whirlwind,
When distress and anguish come upon you.

Because they hated knowledge
And did not choose the fear of the Lord, They would have none of my counsel And despised my every rebuke.

Fair enough?

It's not Buddha who said it, its the God of the bible. What Buddha needs to do is to counter what God is doing to the people who been trusting in Buddha.

Camdodians need a God who can fight for them. Jesus is symbolic of a lamb and lion. He's gentle but he is also king of the beast, a fighter.

Wild~Wisconsinite

Anonymous said...

forget it, cambodia don't want incompetent people to be their leader(s), you know!

Anonymous said...

11:42 AM
you know!
really!
ok!
etc!

Anonymous said...

some individual seemed to think being nationalistic is perfect; it's not, really. it's nice to mix nationalistic view with other qualifications like education, competent, ethicalism, professionalism, experience, etc, you know. i think some of us need to see things from many different angles, not just one or two angles, many, ok. for example, we should ask ourself: how many ways can i get from point A to point B? are there many different options to do this? i'm sure, a straight line isn't the only option out there. sometimes a short cut isn't always the best route, you know. i mean, think think think and think more, ok! our leaders should be able to do this, no exception if you want to be a leader, you guide, you teach other, you advice other, however, you always have to leave options for others to think and learn for themselves as well. it's what is the smart way, you know. leader(s) lead people, not manage people, we manage supplies, but we don't manage people, i don't think, you see. go learn something about leadership, you will gain a lot of knowledge, and don't be selfish and evil, teach our people and country to benefit the same result, ok! it is ok to think outside the box sometime, you know. don't be too hard on yourself, breathe but don't forget to exhale as well, ok!

Anonymous said...

2:43 PM. Vietnamese whore can you speak proper English? We cant understand you.

Anonymous said...

some people prefers violence. i don't like violence. i think there are many other ways to contribute to positive changes in cambodia. capital punishment isn't the only way, really. instead try something different or new like impose strict or tough penalty like high fees, confiscation of personal property if they fail to pay taxes, etc, give them parking ticking or speeding ticket to teach them a lesson not to violate the traffic law, impound their cars for failure to pay up or for continuous violation of the traffic law, etc, etc... i mean, anything to stop them from violating the rule of law other than using violence. don't tell me you can't think of other ways to curb violation of some sort! one have to be brain dead not to take action other than using violence. that's what i mean by being stupid forever, you see. it's time to reform cambodia. there ought to be a chapter in the history of cambodia that talks about cambodia reformations. i think the leader(s) who encouraged it, who took tough action on it, who initiated it, who made it happen, who implemented it, who reformed it, who enforced it, etc, will go in cambodia's history as the mighty leader or the one who left a lasting good legacy or effective legacy for cambodia to come. i mean, someone has gotten to do it, really! that's how great leaders were recorded. it is the one who made the most difference will always be recognized and noted by the country and its people in history. i hope good, smart, effective, competent khmer leaders will help to make a lasting difference for cambodia and khmer people. it could be this leader or the future leader(s) to come. the good leader(s) should call for many reforms in cambodia in all areas.

Anonymous said...

Khmer people, ignore the comments coming from 3:06 PM, 2:43 PM, 11:42 AM who are the same person being brainwashed with full of Vietnamese minds and shits. Something wrong is with this blogger spent too much time to write terrible English, not knowing what this blogger is talking about. This blogger is so crazy. Don't know why blogger is here.

Anonymous said...

3:06 PM. Hey Vietnamese whore, we know you are being paid by AH Kwak. All we want is for you to talk normally. Understand?

Anonymous said...

sihanouk and Ho chiminh and Mao Zédong WHO killed 3 512 651 innocent people khmer.

JEUX De la MORT De SIHANOUK CONTRE YUON


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVLTFmWX4VE

Anonymous said...

Vietnam's Manifest Destiny!!!

Anonymous said...

I WANT TO TASTE..... AND TASTE FLESH THEM TO MUCH!!YOR WILL TO GO AT HELL ALL!!A CHMOUL FEEBLE..FEAR DIE!!!

Anonymous said...

These old monkys I'm not to desir for my SLAVE enjoy!Because your are so fade.poor guy that sale a country like your i no need.SCRAP!

Anonymous said...

អាសីហនុស្រលាញ់អំណាច ពូជវា និង រាជបល្ល័ង្ក
ក្រៅពីនេះ វាមិនស្រលាញ់ទេ។វាល្អតែក្រៅតែឆៅ
ក្នុង។អាមនុស្សមយាស្រី សម្លេងស្រី។
ខ្មែរសម័យអាសីហនុជឿវាអស់ខោអស់អាវ អស់
ជីវិតរាប់លាននាក់ ទើបភ្ញាក់។ ដល់ភ្ញាក់ឡើងនៅ
សល់តែផេះ ប្រឡាក់គូថ។
លោភៈ ទោសៈ មោហៈរបស់អាសីហនុ ។ វានាំ
ខ្មែរចុះនរកតាមវាទាំងអស់គ្នា។
សូមខ្មែរគ្រប់ជំនាន់ក្រោយ កុំជឿអ្នកណាហួស
ពីសាមសិបភាគរយ(30%)ឲ្យសោះ។

Anonymous said...

the reality is nobody give khmer land to anybody. if they did, history will judge them like theh past incompetent leaders such as king chetta II, etc who reputed to be very incompetent that cost khmer territories dearly. i'm sure history will judge them whoever are incompetent and weak and ignorant or uneducated, etc. anyway, do see the reality though, don't just accuse someone of something without proper evidence or concrete evidence, etc because khmer people in this day and age are better educated and have access to equal opportunity for education, business, justice, etc, etc, you know. so, don't make anymore lame excuses to trick or instill fear or manipulate khmer people again, ok! people can see who is bad and who is good and who is competent, who is educated, who is ethical and professional, etc, etc, you know. so, don't try to trick people again by thinking people are so stupid and gullible, etc, ok! it may work once in the past, but don't assume it'll work again in this modern era of cambodian history, ok! of course, keep in mind that there are more to cambodia than you and i, so stop hurting khmer people and cambodia, ok! enough already! keep your political view to yourself, ok because not everybody is interested in your political biase and unprofessional view, etc, ok!

Anonymous said...

Unlike the Cambodians, who when faced with the threat of foreign war ended up fighting among themselves and seeking foreign protectors, the Vietnamese sought unity through war, at least in modern times.

Sounds so real !!!

Anonymous said...

Bangkok post:

His Majesty the King has expressed his concern about deforestation and the resultant flooding in Thailand and has urged the government to take severe action against those responsible.

The King stressed the need for the government to plant more trees and to take harsh punitive steps against "greedy" civil servants who allowed illegal deforestation to occur.


Meanwhile, in the kingdom of wonder, we never hear any thing from our king at all.

Anonymous said...

ជនក្បត់ជាតិទាំងអស់ខាងលើត្រូវតែបញ្ជូនទៅកាន់តុលាការវិច្ឆេតកម្មអន្តរជាតិ(ICC)នៅប្រទេសឡូឡង់នាពេលដ៏ខ្លីខាងមុខនេះ!

anti-vietcongs said...

This article is old and how the peasants (Chea Sim, Heng Samrin and Hun Sen) came to power, the Vietnamese who flipped from killing to saving Khmer lives (Vietnam's political games) were/are really in control since Pol Pot regime until today. Nate Thayer a more sympathizer toward Vietnamese than toward Khmers. He knew that the Vietnamese were in control.

Anti-Vietcongs

Anti-Vietcongs said...

11:30 PM

You cannot compare an absolute monarchy in Thailand with peasants' puppet monarchy in Cambodia.

Chakri people believe in absolute monarchy to keep Thailand in one piece, and it works because non western people like Thais will mess up the entire nation to Vietnamese's expansionism. As you know that about 7 million Vietnamese are living in Thailand since 1700's.

Cambodia cannot have an absolute monarchy, because she was secretly controlled by Vietnamese, and as you knew the people at country side joined with the Vietnamese since 1880's for they believed that their fight against French was a good cause. But the Viets have always lied, so they flipped it to control Laos and Cambodia after the French defeated. Only China can stop these most aggressive liar Vietnamese thieves.

Bui Tin said...

I hate to be born Vietnamese, I hate my last name and who/where I came from. Vietnam's history was too savage, brutally murdered Chams, Montagnards, Khmer and Laotians in cold blood. Most of the Vietnamese like I am becoming Christians, for we thought God will forgive our greatest sins upon others, but after I read a sacred history book, God forgives our sins, but our evil actions must be paid first in hell before we can be cleaned from sins.
Now I knew many misinterpreted God's words.
I am not sad nor regret if Vietnam be destroyed, because I can no longer bear to know the crimes of my Vietnamese ancestors or now committed against the neighbors.

Anonymous said...

Yes, when the war was over (E.B), Khmer is over!

Everything had started in Vietnam (North & South), tested in Vietnam, and went kaboom in Khmer ass and race!!!

Everybody is so happy, clapping and pointing finger(s) at each other with a big smirk...


អក

Anonymous said...

Many White Scholars and Journalists are paid by Yuon.
Nate Thayer, Elizabeth Becker,... and crazy Aussie woman named Trudy Jacobsen are slipping with Yuon.
How can we blame them just look at these peasant faces: Chea Sim, Hun Sen, Heng Samrin and the ugly woman behind Chea Sim. They are ugly/dumb and undesirable.

Anonymous said...

អក (@12:46 AM),

if I may add:

The rest is history, the winner(s) will be rewriting it to their heart and content!

That's how it goes, Saturday February 25th, 2012.

Bourg-la-Reine, France

Anonymous said...

i told you some khmer kings are incompetent even to the point of ignorant. don't they have good advice for the kings, then? well, we know today, it is very different than the past, thank god.

don't forget, every have to evolve with time even music, education, culture, language, life skills, philosophy, development, innovation, ingenuity, invention, i mean everything, etc, etc, the list goes on and on, really! we all have to evolve with time. cambodia, too, must evolve; nothing stands still, really; only dead thing stand still, not literal, of course, metaphorically, you know!

keep learning until our last breath because we must evolve with time. something we ought to maintain as tradition, culture, etc, but other things we should not as well. it depends if it serves us well or not, you know. not all culture or tradition is good and not all of them are bad either, so being educated required us to think about it all. education is priceless, khmer philosophy noted that bad people can rob us of our material possession, but they can never rob us of our knowledge and education. anyway, not all truth are set in stone anymore as people create the rule of law to govern them and society, etc, you know.

Anonymous said...

actually, leaders led and direct and delegate in accordance to the rule of law that is. they don't necessarily manage people, they managethe rule of law, though.

cambodia can use and need to have more good leaders for our country, you know.

Anonymous said...

2:48 AM and 2:51 AM,

Why don't you take a very very very long break and go suck your thumb over at the place called little Saigon there, ok, really, you know, I mean really, ok?

Anonymous said...

Seriously, an article that is almost a decade old has been discussed over and apparently nothing beneficial came out of it...What has changed if anything at all since N. Thayer wrote that article? Is it being utilized as a historical reference anywhere?

Maybe one can say one thing; More Vietnamese had been pouring into Cambodia by the thousands (conservatively) unchecked since then under the nose of that Same Minister of Interior by the name of Sâr Khéng - right?

Anonymous said...

if vietnam is so fun, prosperous, successful, etc, then why more viet/youn keep coming to cambodia for? maybe it tells other story that it's their fake success or prosperity or whatever. logic dictate that if their country is attractive, successful or prosperous, then their viet/youn people should stay and do business in their own country, not making exodus to cambodia like this, you know! don't you think it's their phony success or prosperity we don't know about?

Anonymous said...

sometimes, old news is not good to bring up. it's good to read, but not good to learn from!

Anonymous said...

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ថ្នាក់ដឹកនាំគណបក្សប្រជាជន តែកុំសង្ឃឹមឡើយ
ពួកប្រែតឯងខំស្រែក និង ខំយំយ៉ាងណាក៏បំណង
ពួកឯងមិនបានសំរេចដែរ។

Anonymous said...

គិតទៅពួកក្រុមប្រែត 7:27 AM និង បរិវារខំ
បង្កើតរឿងផ្សេងៗដោយចេតនាបំបែកបំបាក់
ថ្នាក់ដឹកនាំគណបក្សប្រជាជន តែកុំសង្ឃឹមឡើយ
ពួកប្រែតឯងខំស្រែក និង ខំយំយ៉ាងណាក៏បំណង
ពួកឯងមិនបានសំរេចដែរ។

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

3:58 AM

He cannot leave this blog because he is a PROFESSIONAL.
This is his profession and he gets paid writing these garbages with poor English to support the CPP and the Viet.

Anonymous said...

2:48 AM, 2:51 AM and 11:24 PM are the same person.

@11:24 PM

He wrote:

“the reality is nobody give khmer land to anybody. if they did, history will judge them like the past incompetent leaders such as king chetta II.”

Ok, we judge that king Chetta II gave the land to the Viet and he was guilty, but now who the hell are going to get the land back?

I think he is just plain stupid.
Learn to write English properly since you claim to be very well educated, dumb ass.

Anonymous said...

All bloggers knew who Mr. really!OK!
is.You can not hide Mr.really!Or Mr.
OK!
OK! YOU KNOW IT! REALLY!
All these words above what you are writing.

Anonymous said...

One thing is clear about Cambodia backwardness is the lack of continuity! Throughout Cambodian history back when the Siem(WWWII occupation of Western Cambodian with the help of Japan) and the Viet(control of Cochin-China formerly Khmer Krom) ! then came the French(protectorate but gave Khmer Krom to the Viet in 1949) then American(B-52 bombing), then Pol Pot(auto genocide and the year of zero) then the Vietcong(10years of civil war and occupation), then AH HUN SEN(land concession and Cambodian boxer rebellion such as Boeung Kak lake,Dey Kraham,Boriekila... ) Cochin-China

Why Cambodian people are forced to start everything from bare hand? Why can Cambodian people build on what they have and make it better? Why can Cambodian people have peace and stability for generation to come? These are the question that Cambodian leaders need to answer before Cambodia go down the same blackhole and nobody will benefit more than the Siem and the Viet the archenemies of Cambodian nation!

Anonymous said...

អាសីហនុស្រលាញ់អំណាច ពូជវា និង រាជបល្ល័ង្ក
ក្រៅពីនេះ វាមិនស្រលាញ់ទេ។វាល្អតែក្រៅតែឆៅ
ក្នុង។អាមនុស្សមយាស្រី សម្លេងស្រី។
ខ្មែរសម័យអាសីហនុជឿវាអស់ខោអស់អាវ អស់
ជីវិតរាប់លាននាក់ ទើបភ្ញាក់។ ដល់ភ្ញាក់ឡើងនៅ
សល់តែផេះ ប្រឡាក់គូថ។
លោភៈ ទោសៈ មោហៈរបស់អាសីហនុ ។ វានាំ
ខ្មែរចុះនរកតាមវាទាំងអស់គ្នា។
សូមខ្មែរគ្រប់ជំនាន់ក្រោយ កុំជឿអ្នកណាហួស
ពីសាមសិបភាគរយ(30%)ឲ្យសោះ។

Anonymous said...

អង្គការលើដែលជាក្រុមឃាដករជីវិតខ្មែរប្រមាណបី
លាននាក់បានបន្សល់ទុកនៅផ្លែផ្កាគឺរាជនិងរដ្ឋ​អំណាចខ្មែរសព្វថ្ងៃនេះ។

អាស្រ៍យហេតុដូច្នេះហើយទើបបានជាសាលាក្តី
ខ្មែរក្រហមត្រូវបានពួកវារំខានយកជើងរាទឹក
គ្រប់ពេលដើម្បីលាក់ការពិតលាក់ឈ្មោះ លាក់មុខមាត់ក្រុមពួកវាដែលជាឃាដករ ប្រឆាំងមនុស្សជាតិ។

ដើម្បីសង្រ្គោះជាតិខ្មែរឲ្យរុងរឿងមានយុត្តិធម៌ បានសុខសន្តិភាពពិតប្រាកដ គឺត្រូវតែមានអគ្គមគ្គុទេសខ្មែរថ្មីដែលដុះចេញអំពីខ្មែររងគ្រោះគឺផ្ទុយអំពីរាជ
និងរដ្ឋអំណាចសព្វថ្ងៃដែលដុះចេញអំពីអង្គការ
លើខ្មែរក្រហម។

ប៉ារីស៍ព្រឹកថ្ងៃទី២៦កុម្ភៈ២០១២

Anonymous said...

when i look at the map of cambodia, i wonder why did the french colonial ruler draw the map of cambodia to wedge between the siem and the youn countries like that. they should've keep the mekong delta for cambodia instead of handing it to viet/youn country after they left their colonies. i think maybe those french colonists wanted cambodia to remain weak and vulnerable to siem and youn control in some way by making sure cambodia only have a small coast line compare to viet/youn and siem, the neighboring countries of cambodia. also, the way the french colonists drew the map of cambodia with laos is questionable as well. the l'bak kone waterfall cascade on the mekong river stretch and wat phu and the province of bassac province or champasak province as they called it in laos today should be inside cambodia's present boundaries, not laos. i think the french colonists hated cambodia when they controlled cambodia during their colonial rule. everything the french colonists did seemed to all favored either the viet/youn or the laos/liev, not so much cambodia/khmer, i think. it seemed when french colonists controlled all three countries of cambodia, vietnam and laos, they seemed to favor vietnam and laos more than cambodia with everything they did in their colonies. maybe next time, cambodia should not let any foreign power control it with some neighboring countries like this again because we know they hated cambodia and will favor other countries instead. just look at the map of cambodia, the coastlines seemed all squeezed from cambodia the way the map shows, how pathetic of the french colonists then!

Anonymous said...

Hey 1:45 AM, you are land thief of Yuon, what are you talking about? LOL, this 1:45 AM sounds goofy and weird.

This 1:45 AM want Cambodian land so bad. That is why Yuon/Viet are real thieves and killers (just remind us Viet/Yuon killers during Killing Fields). You are one of secret and dirty Vietnamese killers, too. Yes, you want to steal the land of Cambodia so bad.

So, thanks for proving that French always hated Khmer/Cambodia.

Yes, it is clear that only you and your Yuon/Vietnamese thieves have manipulate French (even American and anyone else) to hate Cambodian/Khmer.

How funny is 1:45 AM!

Anonymous said...

Correction for 2:11 AM

Hey 1:45 AM, you are a Yuon land thief, what are you talking about? LOL, this 1:45 AM sounds goofy and weird.

This 1:45 AM want Cambodian land so bad. That is why Yuon/Viet are real thieves and killers (just remind us Viet/Yuon killers during Killing Fields). You are one of secret and dirty Vietnamese killers, too. Yes, you want to steal the land of Cambodia so bad.

So, thanks for proving that French always hated Khmer/Cambodia.

Yes, it is clear that only you and your Yuon/Vietnamese thieves have manipulate French (even American and anyone else) to hate Cambodian/Khmer. And, you and your Vietnamese thieves (master-minded Yuon) always setup your own problems and then blame one else (like Cambodian) for your own Yuon/Vietnamese problems).

How clever (but stupid) you are!

You = 1:45 AM = a CPP/Yuon thief.

Anonymous said...

actually, the french colonists didn't hate khmer people or cambodia, they hated the incompetent khmer leaders, you know! yes, some are really incompetent because they made the whole khmer people and country look bad to the eyes of the world. i told you, it was the incompetent leaders that they hated, not the khmer people and cambodia, ok!

Anonymous said...

Hey 2:22 AM,

That's enough, go suck your thumb somewhere else

Anonymous said...

the french colonists of cambodia were so weird, they said they wanted to keep cambodia primitive and undevelop to preserve the beauty of nature, etc, but then they turned around and say cambodia/khmer is lazy, backward people, uneducated people, etc. look at the way they wanted to keep prasat ta prom the way they founded it to the jungle, but then they use that to say cambodia is less developed then youn or whatever. that's why that did not build any university in phnom penh, only in hanio or prey nokor when they were the colonists of cambodia, you know. they built good roads and ports, etc only in youn country, not in cambodia because they want to keep cambodia primitive so they can control it with peace and naturally beauty, you see. it was the french fault for playing favoritism with the youn over khmer people, you know.

Anonymous said...

2:22 AM,

French hate you instead because you are the one who keep creating the problem. You need to go to the mental school to fix your mental problem.

You are a real problem with yourself.

There are some good Vietnamese people are not like you who are a land thief.

You must 1:45 AM. Stop waste your time to write nonsense comment.

Anonymous said...

to the siem, the youn and the french, it was about control in cambodia.

Anonymous said...

you know the siem and the youn were afraid khmer cambodia an empire again, so they use the western world to control cambodia this way because they don't like to see cambodia become an empire again because they think an empire were injustice and tyranny and absolute power against the new world order. they rather see cambodia a tiny state wedged between siem and youn, the historical enemies of cambodia, you see. they are clever, but evil, really!

Anonymous said...

i bet the world did not know this fact, from khmer perspective, it is true how we see the siem, the youn and the french colonists. they all hated the khmer empire and wanted to reduce it to the smallest state in southeast asia, simply because they think an empire was evil and have no human rights. so they favor the siem and youn instead of khmer. why don't you ask khmer people for our perspective on this matter, it is true how we think about them, you know.

Anonymous said...

2:34 AM,

That is how you manipulate and be uneducated to be a killer. You must be 2:30 AM, 2:28 AM, 2:22 AM2:22 AM, and the like (ok!, really!, ...).

You need to fix your own problem

Anonymous said...

this where justice comes into the picture!

Anonymous said...

i know, the truth becomes blurry after centuries of isolation.

Anonymous said...

The Phnom Penh newspaper should have broad coverage the same as the Bangkok Post, with international coverage etc...

Anonymous said...

2:43 AM

GO away Vietnamese whore. Stop trying to confuse us with your mental problems.

Anonymous said...

The ugly woman sitting behind Chea Sim must be his daughter.

Anonymous said...

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