Thursday, September 27, 2012
Andrew Livingstone
Staff Reporter
The Star (Toronto, Ontario, Canada)
“For me, they aren’t going to be convicted in their lifetime. Closure will be hard to find. For the millions who survived it, including myself, where is the justice in what happened?”
The four-stripe general looked down at Kunthear Thorng and asked the boy to leave with him.
“I said ‘to where?’ and he said ‘far away from here,’” Thorng said. “I looked at him and I said no. I couldn’t run away from home because my father was still there.”
In 1974, Cambodia’s U.S.-backed Lon Nol government was losing a civil war against Pol Pot’s Khmer Rouge. Thorng was 12 years old when the Khmer Rouge came to the military compound he lived in with his father, stepmother and five step siblings to arrest them.
The general knew what the future held for the war-torn Southeast Asian nation, but Thorng couldn’t bear to leave his father, a high-ranking commander in the Lon Nol government, unsure what would his fate would be.
But just a few days later he ran and never looked back.
Throng’s entire family was dragged from the compound to the killing fields and mercilessly executed.
“If I hadn’t run away I would’ve been killed. It was a decision that changed my whole life.”
More than 30 years since the fall of the Khmer Rouge, who massacred approximately 2 million people between 1975 and 1979, the three men widely considered to be the only remaining architects of what is considered one of the worst acts of genocide in modern times are finally facing their accusers.
Nuon Chea, trusted deputy to Pot; head of state, Khieu Samphan, 80, and Ieng Sary, 86, the ex-foreign minister, are on trial for genocide, crimes against humanity and grave breaches under the Geneva Conventions.
The often-delayed trial began in June 2011. Case 002 was then broken into a series of separate trials to address different sections of the indictment. The first of those began on Nov. 21 last year and focused on the forced movement of the population from Phnom Penh and related crimes against humanity. It also considers the roles of the accused in relation to regime policies relevant to all charges, which will provide the foundation to examine the remaining charges in future trials.
The prospect of justice for the nearly 2 million killed and millions more affected by the massacres is the closest it’s ever been, but Thorng, who came to Canada as a refugee in 1983 and became a citizen in 1986, isn’t optimistic.
“It’s been dragging on too long and everyone is pointing fingers at one another and not willing to take responsibility for what happened,” he said. “It’s frustrating for me, as a victim.
“For me, they aren’t going to be convicted in their lifetime. Closure will be hard to find. For the millions who survived it, including myself, where is the justice in what happened?”
With the remaining leaders of the regime in their eighties — the others, including Pol Pot, all died before they could be tried in the UN-backed war crimes court — Cambodians wanting closure through convictions may never get it.
Take the case of Ieng Thirith.
Considered the ‘First Lady’ of the Khmer Rouge and the fourth person charged, Thirith, 80, was released from prison last week after doctors determined she was unfit to stand trial. Suffering from degenerative mental illness, likely Alzheimer’s disease, the Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia (ECCC) upheld an initial decision from November 2011 to release her.
While she won’t stand trial, the charges against her haven’t been dropped, in the event her mental health improves to the court’s satisfaction.
Led by Pot, the Khmer Rouge captured Phnom Penh on April 17, 1975 removing the Lon Nol government after a five-year civil war waged at the same time as the Vietnam War, leaving the Southeast Asian country ravaged.
The U.S. involvement in Cambodia has gone largely unreported, despite eight years of bombing within the nation. Between 1965 and 1973, U.S. forces dropped more than 2.75 million tons of explosives during 230,516 air raids on 113,716 sites, many in and around the nation’s capital.
Until its fall in 1979, the Khmer Rouge killed some 2 million people, either by starvation, torture or murder, nearly a quarter of the country’s population.
Whether the multi-million dollar, war crimes tribunal will see the former leaders convicted remains to be seen. The only Khmer Rouge leader to be convicted in 33 years, former S-21 prison head Kaing Guek Eav (Duch), 69, was given a sentence of life in prison in February this year.
He has appealed the ruling.
On a research trip to Cambodia, Dr. Carla Rose Shapiro, research associate at the Asian Institute of Munk School of Global Affairs at the University of Toronto, said opinions of the trials are mixed and people wonder if the financial cost of the trials, which exceeds $100 million, is worth it.
“Some people are generally circumspect about the process,” said Shapiro, curator of an exhibit at the Royal Ontario Museum that focuses on prisoner photos titled Observance and Memorial: Photographs from S-21, Cambodia.
Some 16,000 people were taken to the prison as traitors. Only 23 survived.
Plagued for years by delays, lack of funding, controversy over government interference and its hardline stance against further investigations, the tribunal is running out of time.
“The most senior leaders are escaping (persecution) by dying of natural causes,” Shapiro said. “The trials have been starting, stopping, delayed. This is a complex legal construct that’s not easily accessible.
“Some people were saying ‘we’re spending millions and for what?’”
The Khmer’s goal of an agrarian-utopian society was meant to erase all classes, she said, but it didn’t go as planned. “Crops failed and people began to starve. They didn’t blame their policies, they labelled everyone as traitors.”
“They (the photos) document the . . . dehumanization and destruction that ran amok during the reign of the Khmer Rouge,” added Shapiro.
Cambodians, like Throng, are tired of the long judicial process and just want justice served and to move on. Many Cambodians, he said, don’t like to talk about what happened out of fear.
“A lot of people don’t want to talk about it because they fear the current government, he said of top officials currently in power who were members of the Khmer Rouge. “It’s very hard for people to voice their opinions or even to speak out on what’s going on.”
Throng and other Cambodians may get what they want: to see the old leaders die. But without convictions from the war crimes tribunal, will it be the same?
Dr. Stuart Hendin, a human rights expert and professor at the University of Ottawa, said even if the remaining three on trial die before they are convicted, the fact they face the allegations should be enough.
“The problem is there will be no closure but at least what happens is there is identification of the perpetrator and that should come with some great satisfaction,” he said.
In the case of Thirith following through with the trial, despite her illness, would provide little closure, he added. “The person who is at trial has to be able to appreciate the nature of the proceedings and if they don’t appreciate what is happening, does it even serve a purpose?”
20 comments:
Devils Socheata + Andrew Livingstone
staff Reporter
The dog (Toronto, Ontario, Canada)
continue constantly misinform the world =
they add fake name (Duch) to call the
S-21 prison chief (Kaing Guek Eav).
ហ្វូងអានិងមីបិសាចសុចជាតា+Andrew Livingstone
staff Reporter
The dog (Toronto, Ontario, Canada)
វាបាននិងបន្តឃោសនាបំភាន់មហាជន=ហ្វូងអា
មេបិសាចទាំងនេះបន្លំហៅបន្ថែមឈ្មោះឌុចជាមេគុកទួលស្លែង។
Justice will "not" be served in Cambodia.
Because thre are many interferrance from the following bad people:
1) Ex-King Sihanouk (leader of KR).
2) Norodum Monique(Viet supporter).
3) Ex-Prim.Ranarid(leader uprising)
4) King Sihamony( half Viet)
5) former KR Hun Sen
6) former KR Chea Sim
7) former KR Hang Samrin
8) former KR Hor NamHong
9) Lawyers/judges want more money
10) dumb Cambodians have no clue.
11) dumb Camboidans love dumb king
12) Vietnam interfare Khmer lives
13) China don't want case to solve
That is why small and poor people in Cambodia always pay the biggest prices in term of losing their home, families,and lives. etc.
In Western culture or society, they will hang these leaders, like Itilian Musilini.
In Cambodia, poor and dumb people continue to give the King and Ex-King a "blow job" and bend over for them.
Then they don't know why their country is so poor.
There are many very bad Yuon/Vietnamese bloggers on Ki-Media and Khmerization. Those dirty and hypocrite evil Yuon/Vietnamese bloggers on here are worried about losing ground and face. Yes, Yuon/Vietnamese folks are stupid to do bad things from the first places. That is why they deserved to be hated and be disgusted in this world. Yuon/Vietnamese (Yuon-Cambodian born) bloggers in Long Beach, CA are unbelievable and evil because they support CPP (Yuon/Vietnamese Masters' dirty plans to gain the Khmer territory for themselves) and they like to show off their dirty wealth and stupid businesses. American people will find out about how bad and dirty Yuon/Vietnamese refugees and folks in the U.S. including around the world.
I don't like youn but who is yuon?
Ex-King Sihanouk and Ex-queen Monique provided santuary, food , and medication to VietCong during Vietname war.
You don't need to look far away. Just read 11:26 PM above.
please stop blame other people. blame ourselves for worship the stupid king.
11:22 PM
Write from the facts, so readers will consider your remarks are worth to read. You must not write with wrath. Do not make an absolute comment when you only guess about what has happened.
You must never forget that the Vietnamese expansionism is unstoppable and it may has begun since Vietnamese Revolution based in Thailand. Cambodia was already infiltrated by Vietnamese under French (Phan Boi Chau through Ho Chi Minh and other Viet nationalists in Thailand) to defeat French and to take Cambodia and Laos.
>1) Ex-King Sihanouk (leader of >KR)?
Sihanouk sided with the US at first then he realized the Communist (Soviet & China) will crash the US, he then followed China after the US refused to stop South Vietnamese and Thai troops from invading his country. The facts Khmer Viet Minh/Khmer Rouge were already created by the Vietnamese revolutionists long before since 1908? inside Cambodia. Sihanouk turned to China because he had no one else to turn to. The facts, that Cambodia has no troops while surrounding by enemies.
The fact Sihanouk agreed to stand trial but Vietnam/CPP blocked it. He no longer has power but to live until his death. However Sihanouk should at least declares that his country is under Vietnamese control. This is his faults.
>2) Norodum Monique(Viet >supporter).
No, you fabricate the same nasty story against her again. You and your people have always lied about her and her background. If you are Cambodian, your soul is an evil soul, but if you are Viet spy we understand your intention "kill 2 birds with one stone".
>3) Ex-Prim.Ranarid(leader >uprising)
Rannaridh lacks of discipline, he cannot be anyone's leader when he allowed sex and wealth lead him.
>4) King Sihamony( half Viet)
No he is not. He is Khmer and he is a puppet King. Your lies for Vietnamese/Hun Sen propaganda to shift all the blames on him because of he signed on Hun Sen's treat with Vietnam . The fact this man is a weak King who obeys and took advice from his father only. Sihamoni is a puppet just like his many ancestors before him, but he is not half Viet as your evil soul accused him.
5) former KR Hun Sen
The facts Hun Sen is not just a xKR, he is still a KR and he works for Vietnamese interest.
>6) former KR Chea Sim
and loser puppet.
>7) former KR Hang Samrin
and loser puppet
>8) former KR Hor NamHong
A Vietnamese best espionage in Cambodia.
>9) Lawyers/judges want more money
Everyone works for money. They cannot be blamed.
>10) dumb Cambodians have no clue.
That including you.
>11) dumb Camboidans love dumb >king
All Cambodians and the puppet King are prisoners, why aren't they dumb?
>12) Vietnam interfare Khmer lives
You are a liar. Interfering by Vietnamese in Cambodia is your light sentence, the facts the Vietnamese control everything in Cambodia. The KRT was organized by the Vietnamese to unmask China and to make money after the Vietnamese killed Pol Pot.
>13) China don't want case to >solve
No body wants this case to solve, because China, Thailand, Soviet, US and especially Vietnam involved with the killing field in Cambodia.
>That is why small and poor >people in Cambodia always pay >the biggest prices in term of >losing their home, families,and >lives. etc.
Is this the first time Cambodians losing their lands and homes? No.
Have you ever thought your ancestors built the empire by shedding blood of other million lives? For about 700 years paid the debts is not enough yet.
1:56 AM
You forgot Lon Nol's soldiers and many Khmers sold supplies to Yuon every day.
Who is behind and within the khmer rouge questions need to be investigated and analyzed on a global scale!
During that Yuon war, Lao, Burmese, Thais and Khmers sold rice and food to Yuon who paid high prices through black markets, money given by Stalin (~10 billion of dollars Soviet gave to Yuon to take Cambodia and Laos) (In the Cold War a New History, by John Lewis Gaddis).
Lon Nol's family relatives did too.
5:15 AM
Your question will be answered in "the Col War a New History" of John Lewis Gaddis.
China, US and Soviet Unions were the leading nations who sought global influence including South east Asia.
For small nations Vietnam and Thailand always taken advantages behind those superpower to take Cambodia.
For Vietnam and Thailand toward Cambodia the answers will be in
the followings:
"Thailand and the Southeast Asian networks of the Vietnamese Revolution 1885-1954."
and also in
"Christopher E. Goscha, Thailand and the Southeast Asian Networks ..."
Through Google everyone will find these two articles.
2:42pm
you are so right! no one wants this problem to be solved. I told some laywers before that, if you sue the king sihanock, Sihanock will sue U.S and U.S will sue Viet and Viet will sue the French and French will sue the Russia and Russia will sue the Chinese and Chinese will sue the U.S and U.S Japanese etc. In the end, everyone of these have khmers blood in their hands and therefore,should be accountable for their own action and bring closer to the poor khmers so that they can live or rest in peace like every other nation does. What poor khmers need right now is in need of so much support from the international community to set a proper govt free from being corrupted and impunity going on. In other words, it must be compensated in other ways to make up from the mistakes they made. For example, it must be rebuild to its formal glory once again, along with such compassion and kindness to its people, which is also known as 'reconcilation', otherwise, the world will not be at peace because everyone in this needs some sort of closer regardless.
replied to 2:42 AM
1) You said every one else is distort the fact except you.
Answer: Go to You Tube, you will see King Sihanouk and Monique welcome KR and VietCong. On and On.
2) "You must never forget that the Vietnamese expansionism is unstoppable and it may has begun since Vietnamese Revolution based in Thailand."
answer: No one disagree with you on that. However, You also forgot to mention that ThaiLand also are trying to explain (steal) onto our land.
3)You stated, "Sihanouk sided with the US at first..." You must be kidding. I don't think you are funny any more. That moron king started the protesting at the US embassy and kicked the American out.
Note: Cambodian saying, never feed the eligators because they don't know their own lake.
again, This idiot Ex-King kicked the French out of Cambodian quickly after they crowned him. Remember the French stopped evil ThaiLand from taking the Western side of Cambodia. Please get your fact straight. otherwise your story is not worth reading.
Everyone has their own opinion and that is also included you. please stopped call everybody else is Yuon. Most Yuon people are very busy making money, unlike you and I.
You replied "Everyone works for money. They cannot be blamed." Yes, my dumb people made $60.00 per month and these so call expert make as much as $10,000.00 per month plus room and board. They kept dragging the cases on and on. 3 of my family member were killed quickly and the KR did not even give them 60 minutes to justify why they should exist. This is not the place to make money out of some one else misery.
I also realize that our Cambodia military are weak and our population is small that is why our aggressive neigbors want to swollow us. every body knows that and youd don't need to tell us.
Remember during the Khmer Rouge regime, everyone was accused as Viet Spy, CIA and KGB and almost half of the popultion was killed because of that. Now you, Mr. perfect, started to accuse every body as Viet Spy. You almost sound like the OnKar Ler.
Of course I am accusing you like you did to me. Thanks for your well writing response. agree to disagree.
I am still bitter with the Ex-King because 3 of my families were death in horrible.
Best regard to all of you.
5:56 AM
Youtube cannot be used as a true evidence, it has to be well searched and well written by scholars or by historians, etc.
You are debating with non-Asians. We debate with you with existence of documents not you-tube.
5:56 AM
Only you-tube that made by Scholars and Historians can be used as proofs or otherwise, it is useless. Still it i snot god enough without real documents.
You can read and can write then you should read and learn from real documents not you-tube.
5:56 AM
Only you-tube that made by Scholars and Historians can be used as proofs or otherwise, it is useless. Still it is not good enough without real documents.
You can read and can write then you should read and learn from real documents not you-tube.
Youtube? That makes Yuon so happy and they will produce more story through youtube and digitized voice just like Sihanouk calling people through radio.
Oh Khmers, when are you going to stop being so stupid?
The year is 2013 AD, so think 100 times before you make a fool of yourself.
I did not know I made myself stupid. Don't you think yourself being stupid by calling people stupid.
Once again, you are missing "the boat". You Tube is also an official document showing the Ex-King and his wife wearing black clothes and black small tip head shaking hands with Pol Pot and with Viet Cong. I am not talking about You Tube made by your local people.
Do I need a Scholars and Historians stamps to show the You Tube I was watching is legitimate?
see this on you tube នរោត្តមសីហនុ និង ខ្មែរក្រហម
reply to 7:18 AM
Read this Mr scholars and historians. Go to You Tube
"The way to year zero 1/23"
I don't need scholars to tell me that Ex-King Sihanouk is evil. So is Viet Cong and so is you.
8:38 am
Yes you do need real documents from UNbiased scholars/historians to intellectual debate bashing online as you and some of your Cambodian always do.
Can you debate with facts instead of barking like Hun Sen?
When comes to debate with facts, youtube is not credible. If it is, then Khmer Rouge Trial in your country would have not been dragged until now.
8:38 am
Yes you do need real documents from UNbiased scholars/historians to intellectual debate instead of bashing online as you and some of your Cambodian always do.
Can you debate with facts instead of barking like Hun Sen?
When comes to debate with facts, youtube is not credible. If it is, then Khmer Rouge Trial in your country would have not been dragged until now.
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