Wednesday, September 18, 2013

Accord but no resolution



Prime Minister Hun Sen and CNRP president Sam Rainsy shake hands after meeting at the National Assembly in Phnom Penh. HENG CHIVOAN



Vong Sokheng  and Abby Seiff  The Phnom Penh Post 17 September 2013



A nearly five-hour meeting between the ruling and opposition parties yesterday resulted in an agreement to reform the embattled electoral process, end protest violence and continue negotiations before the National Assembly is scheduled to sit on Monday.


But the rare consensus on three points was equally notable for its omissions.

When the doors of the conference room opened at 1:45pm, Prime Minister Hun Sen and opposition leader Sam Rainsy emerged smiling and offered a warm handshake for the cameras before leaving without a word.

A statement signed by the pair and four other high-ranking members of both parties notes that they have agreed to adhere to stanch protest violence, “establish a mechanism for the reform of the electoral affairs in the future”, and continue talks. The bulk of the statement is devoted to addressing a letter sent by King Norodom Sihamoni yesterday in which he urged both protesters and authorities to refrain from using force for the sake of national stability.

Speaking to reporters after the leaders had left, both Cambodian People’s Party spokesman Prak Sokhon and Cambodia National Rescue Party spokesman Yim Sovann characterised the meetings as positive.

“The length of the meeting means that we were happy to exchange opinions for discussion, and it was a new spirit [of cooperation] toward the process to resolve all problems of our nation,” Sokhon said.


Sovann said he felt the meeting “was very fruitful”.

But the pair gave markedly different accounts of the progress, and both sides claimed to be standing firm on the question of a long-discussed electoral investigation.

Negotiations between the parties have twice fallen apart over the issue of an independent investigating committee. The three-day mass demonstrations that started on Sunday were primarily aimed at pushing the CPP to agree to a joint inquiry into the electoral irregularities, which the CNRP says cost them the election.


Sovann yesterday said the opposition would “still continue to demand the formation of an investigation commission to find justice for the people. But both parties, they have to think to find a middle way to the agreement point”.

Sokhon, meanwhile, insisted the stance of the CPP was unwavering on the question of a committee, which he characterised as “unlawful”.

And while the statement gave only the briefest of mentions to the electoral reform “mechanism”, the CNRP’s Sovann said they had agreed to concrete changes.


“We need to reform the NEC; we need to amend some laws related to the election, and also we have to have new voter lists and so on and so on,” he told reporters.

Asked if the agreement meant the party had agreed to join the National Assembly, Sovann insisted they had made no such guarantee.

The CPP, for its part, would sit regardless, according to Sokhon.

“Whether the CNRP attends or not, the stance of the CPP [is to move forward].”

Though the legalities have been questioned, the ruling party has frequently maintained it can lawfully take all 123 seats if the CNRP fails to show at the opening session. Analysts, however, have predicted that the party would be loath to follow through on such threats.


At Freedom Park yesterday afternoon, Sovann and later Rainsy addressed the crowd of several thousand – receiving roars as they gave their account of the meetings.

“It’s what the people want to see – them coming together and working for the people,” political analyst Chea Vannath said. “I am optimistic that the solutions will work out for the CNRP and CPP … but I am not too optimistic to say everything will be smooth.”

In a statement issued by the Situation Room – a coalition of NGOs focused on election issues – the group “applauded” the meeting and urged the parties to focus their attention on concrete reforms of government institutions.


But others were less sanguine at the close of the day.

“If you look at the length and the results, I think it’s a very positive sign … [but], so far, the only thing of any substance agreed on was to reform the future of elections,” said Cambodian Centre for Human Rights president Ou Virak, who lambasted the parties’ decision to leave the meeting room while negotiations were still ongoing.


“They should have met ’til midnight. They should have packed lunch … but this is Cambodia – the politicians don’t sacrifice much and the people sacrifice everything.”

ADDITIONAL REPORTING BY CHEANG SOKHA


16 comments:

Anonymous said...

សម រង្ស៊ី និង កឹមសុខា
ដល់ពេលចូល​ក្នុង បន្ទប់ចរចារយកកៅអីអង្គុយហើយ .....

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៥៥ យកមិនយក? យក
៥៥ យកមិនយក? យក
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ពិតជាអស្ចារ្យណាស់!

សម រង្ស៊ី ជាមេដឹកនាំមហាបាតុកម្មបង្គ្រប់កិច្ចមែន....

អញ្ចឹងការសង្ឃឹមអំពីជ័យជម្នៈរបស់ពលរដ្ឋលើគណបក្សសង្គ្រោះជាតិ
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និងជាអ្នកជួយទប់ជើងគ្រែអោយអា ហ៊ុន សែន!
ហើយពួកប្រឆាំងផ្កាប់មុខទាំងនេះគឺគ្មានបំណងធ្វើការ
ផ្លាស់ប្តូរពិតប្រាកដទេ ក្រៅពីបង្គ្រប់កៅអី និងបង្គ្រប់ងារជាឯកឧត្ដមតែប៉ុណ្ណោះ។

ហ៊ុនសែននិងកំចាយចោលទាំងអស់ហ្នឹង!

Anonymous said...

អាក្តយួនពីរនាក់Hai Phúc+អាដំអាចម៍សម រង្ស៊ី
គណបក្សសង្គ្រោះអាចោរហារយ យួនយៀកកុង,
អាឆ្កែកន្ទុយខ្វៀន នៅតែខ្វៀន

ចរចារផង.....បាតុកម្មផង?

Anonymous said...

Don't resolve this election but i agreed to resolve the future election five years from now?Will not change nor resolve anything,Hun sen will draft a new law to protect his power and his clans in the next couple years and strip off Rainsy clemency from the king's pardon find false on Rainsy kick him out again.You can not trust Hun sen he was a lair from the day he was born to the day he goes to see Uncle Ho his idol in Hell.Wow,booksmart's Rainsy will not match with corrupted crook/thug jungle's smart Hun sick! Unbelievable....Give in too soon Mr Booksmart.Did you get all your demands from jungle's smart Hun sick? Just becareful when dealing with demon jungle's gook Hun sick,he will not keep his promised nor his words his signature ain't worth shit.

Kmenhwatt


Anonymous said...

“... but this is Cambodia – the politicians don’t sacrifice much and the people sacrifice everything.”

Quite true and I couldn't add more! It appears that the CNRP is no different!

What is a rush of accepting the conditions imposed by the CPP? The main issue is not about forming a government or opening of the national assembly, but about election fraud!

Has the CNRP lost sight of that because of pressures and time? The war of attrition does and always work for Hun Sen and the CPP since his opponents are always afraid to lose in order to win!

From whatever agreement they have with the CPP, can the CNRP guarantee that the people who voted for them, under the new government not live under injustice, corruption, unequal opportunities, unequal access to public services, cronyism, nepotism,.etc., and get the kinds of salaries, wages, medical care, senior financial benefits and other things as promised by the CNRP before the election? If not, the people have voted for nothing, since the new deals will have nothing in them to help improve the daily life of the people who consider a decent living worthy of fighting for. As the voter, the question that comes to the mind is why they should vote for the CNRP next time around when it can't even protect the votes this time?

This is like the thief who has stolen $100.00 from your friends and you negotiate to get $20.00 back from him for yourself because you are afraid to confront him for the sake of your friends who happen to believe in you and have given you the mandate to fight for them. Well, your friends lost $100.00 and you have got $20.00 in your pocket, which is 20% commision; that is not too bad at all!

CNRP, remember that you have an obligation to honor your promises to the voters. You had better negotiate with that in your mind or you will become a cherry pit spit out without a moment of thought and regret!!!

Pissed Off

Anonymous said...

The way I see it is that Hun San has probably promised the three top CNRP officials with high profile positions within the government. If that's true, Khmer's blood has spilled for nothing and the CNRP clans will not be forgiven. It will go down to the history book. Sam Rainsy, think carefully.

Anonymous said...

I have to add that Sam Rainsy, think carefully. People are watching you every step. The choice is clear: another 5 years of misery under Han San or law and order, equality and prosperity under you. Khmers need to know.

Anonymous said...

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បងប្អូនទាំងអស់ប្រាកដជា ប្រកាន់ ជំហរ ទាមទារកយុត្តិធម៌អោយខ្លួនឯងបាន!
យើងបានស្ដាប់ផ្ទាល់មាត់ ពីប្រជាពលរដ្ឋថា "ឥឡូវនេះពលរដ្ឋភាគច្រើនកំពុងព្យាយាមតទល់ ទៅនឹងទ្រឹស្ដី ដែលនិយាយកាន់ជើង បក្សកាន់អំណាច ជាសាធារណៈ"!

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ទោះបីជាបច្ចុប្បន្ន អស់លោកទុរយសខ្លះ គិតតែពីស្ដីបន្ទោស មេដឹកនាំខ្មែរអ្នកស្នេហារជាតិ ដោយចេញពីការ ច្រណែនឈ្នានីស យ៉ាងណាក៏ដោយ ក៏មិនអាចបំបែកបំបាក់ កម្លាំងសាម្គីស្នេហារជាតិរបស់ខ្មែរពេលនេះបានដែរ!
ពួកមេញុះញង់ ខំអត់យ៉ាងណា ក៏គេចមិនផុត ពីធម្មជាតិនៃភាពឃោឃៅស្ដែងចេញខ្លះ អោយអន្តរជាតិឃើញទាល់តែបាន!

ពីព្រោះ៖

កូនខ្មែរភាគច្រើន ឈប់ចាញ់បោក ពួកមេយាយ៉ី ញុះញង់ទៀតហើយៗបានយលដឹងនូវប្រវត្តិសាស្ដ្ររបស់ខ្លួនច្បាស់អស់ហើយ!
ពាក្យចាស់ពោលថា "បើគេបង្រៀនអ្វី យើងប្រាកដជាចេះមិនខាន"!

កូនខ្មែរតរទៅនេះមិន ធ្វើអ្វីៗ ដើម្បីយកឈ្នះខ្មែរឯង ទៀតទេ! ហើយជួយគ្នាឲ្យផុតពីកំហុស ដែលអាចនាំខ្មែរទាំងអស់ធ្លាក់ចុះក្នុងជ្រោះមរណៈ មិនបណ្ដោយឲ្យពួកបរទេសចាំទទួលផលនោះ បានសម្រេចបំណងឡើយ!

ខ្មែរច្បាស់ជាចេះអនុគ្រោះ អោយខ្មែរគ្នាឯង នូវកំហុស រវៀងខ្មែរ នឹង ខ្មែរគ្នាឯងកន្លងមក ហើយ​បន្តរ ចងក្រងប្រវត្តិសាស្ដ្រថ្មី ដ៏ល្អឥតខ្ចោះ សម្រាប់ ពង្សាវតាខ្មែរជានិរន្ដ!

សូមចែកគ្នាមើលប្រវត្តន៍ ខ្មែរ នឹង យួនថែមទៀតទៅ ហើយសូមមើលអោយអស់សេចក្ដី រួចស្រាវជ្រាវបន្តរទៀតផង!
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Anonymous said...

Although Hun Sen achieved terrorized peace and stability that marked and traumatized Khmer people for many generations to come, he could not achive the same world record as the Khmer Rough did.

May he be forgiven in Khmer history for imposing a milder terrorized regime but quintupling the Khmer population with sabotaging foreign stooges? In his so-called stable peace, could rural population afford to send their children to high school and university? Did they live above the poverty line with almost damaged eco-system and 80% destruction of precious woods and forestry? As for urban people, did each middle class family afford to live decently without moonlighting and indulging corrupt practices?

Finally, will those high rankings and low rankings face their ancestors without fear and with great pride on their deathbed?

It is time for Khmers to wake up, stand up, and tell the tyrant to let the young patriotic generations take care of their own destiny!

Anonymous said...

បើពិតជាល្បិចកិច្ចកល-ឆាកល្ខោនយួន,
បោះឆ្នោតក្លែងក្លាយចាញ់បង្រ្គប់កិច្ច
បន្លំសង្គ្រោះអាយួនហ៊ុន សែននិងកៅអី​​ចោរយួនមែននោះ,

-អាសម រង្ស៊ី
-អា កឹម សុខា
-ពួកអាយួនយៀកកុង គជប,CNRP ,CPP
ត្រូវតែមានទោស,សូមឲ្យអស់លោកងាប់តៃហោង!
បើពិតជា:
-សង្រ្គោះ.............កៅអី​​ចោរយួន
-បំរើ................អាឆ្កែយួនហ៊ុន សែន
-ការពារ..............អាចោរយួន
យើងសូមដាក់បណ្តាសាអស់លោកដូចតទៅនេះ,

សូមអស់លោកអារុក្ខអារក្ស អ្នកតា ទេវតាឆ្នាំថ្មី
និងបារមីដ៏ស័ក្តិសិទ្ធិទាំងអស់តាមបំផ្លាញ ពួកអាក្បត់ជាតិទាំងអស់ណា,
ទាំងអាខ្វាក់ហ៊ុន សែន,អាសម រង្ស៊ី,អា កឹម សុខាឱ្យវាវិនាស ឱ្យងាប់តៃហោង
យ៉ាងវេទនាដោយត្រូវគ្រាប់កាំភ្លើង សៀម នឹងយួន

សូមអុជធូប ៩ សសៃ ហើយថាតាមខ្ញុំ :
ឲ្យអាអ្ហែងស្លាប់តៃហោងនិង:
រន្ទះបាញ់,
ព្រះធរណីស្រូប,
ភ្លើងឆេះផ្ទះ,
ឲ្យធ្លាក់យន្ដហោះ,
ឲ្យលិចទូកកប៉ាល់,
ឲ្យក្រឡាប់ឡាន,
ឲ្យឡានម៉ូតូបុក,
ឲ្យដំរីព្រេច,
ឱ្យពស់ចឹក,
ខ្លាខាំស៊ី,
ក្ដងាប់,
រោគសួត,
រោគទឹកនោមផ្អែម,
លើសឈាម,
ដាច់សរសៃខួរក្បាល,
កើតស្វាយ,
អេដស៍,
ប្រមេះ,
ជម្ងឺគ្រុនចាញ់ ,
គ្រុនឈាម .....និងជម្ងឺនានា !រួមរិតតោងស្អិតជាប់នឹងខ្លួនរហូតដល់វិនាសជីវិតក្បត់ជាតិ
ពីផែនដីខ្មែរនេះទៅ ហោង …!

ស្លាប់មួយទៀតដោយ:
ចំពាមបាញ់ចាប
កាំបិត,
ពូថៅ,
ដាវ ,
ខ្វែវ,
ផ្គាក់,
ព្រួញ,
សរ,
ច្បូក,
លំពែង,
ធ្នូ,
ដំបង,
ព្រនង់,
កាំភ្លើង,
គ្រាប់បែក,
បេសែសិប,
បេសែមួយ,
មីន,
មីនកន្ត្រាក់,
មីនបង្កប់,
មីនក្លេម័រ,
មីនតោន,
កាំភ្លើងធំ,
M16,
79,
A-R 15,
កាំភ្លើងត្បាល់
ឱ្យវាព្រាត់ប្រាសឪពុកម្តាយ បងប្អូន កូនចៅវា ឱ្យក្ររហេមរហាម រងទុក្ខវេទនាចុះនរកអស់៥០០ជាតិ....ហោង …!

សូមឲ្យពួកវាត្រូវបណ្ដាសានេះហោងចុះ
ឱម្មសិទ្ធីស្វាហាយ...........សព្វ រដ្ឋាភិបាល, មន្ដ្រី, រដ្ឋបាល
វិនាសសន្តិអស្សិតោប្រឈូចក្ដិតអាចម៏ ប្រឆាច់ក្ដិតនោម បន្ធូក្ដិតផោម
អូម៉ាសិទ្ធីស្វាហះ ចាក់ក្ដិតស្វាហើម ស្វាណាផើម ស្វាហ្នុងញី ។

Anonymous said...





"close the door so we can beat the dog", the same mentality and tactic successfully used by Hun Sen

Please do not fall for "switch and bait" tactic. This is a trap that will lead to the slaughter house.
We all must learn from past history.

Anonymous said...

The CNRP ia possessing the key victory but I'm not quite sure if they know how to use it.

The future will not guarantee as well as the last bus could be late.

Anonymous said...



ប្រយត្ន័ចាញ់បោកបក្សប្រជាជន លោកប្រធាន ​​​សម រង្ស៊ី ។



ប្រយត្ន័ ប្រជាពលរដ្ធ ចាញ់បោក លោកប្រធាន ​​​សម រង្ស៊ី ?។

តើ នរណា ចាញ់បោក នរណា ?

គឺប្រជាពលរដ្ធ ទេ ដែលត្រូវប្រយត្ន័ ចាញ់បោក ។

ចរចារបន្ត រវាងមេដឹកនាំបក្សទាំងពីរ នូវអ្វីគ្មានទំនាក់ទំនងនឹង យុត្តិធម៌នៃការបោះឆ្នោត ។

ក្នុងកំឡុងពេល ប្រជាពលរដ្ធ កំពុងធ្វើបាតុកម្ម ទាមទារអោយមាន យុត្តិធម៌នៃការបោះឆ្នោត។

គួរឫមិនគួរ ព្រួយបារម្ភ ??។

តើមានអ្វីគួរចរចាបន្ត ? បើគ្មានចរចាយុត្តិធម៌នៃការបោះឆ្នោត?។

Si c'est le cas, il est clair que quelque chose ne tourne pas rond du tout,et il est certain que les partisans commenceront à demander des comptes à leurs dirigeants.

Well, if that is the case, then something is clearly very wrong, it is certain that the fans will begin to demand accountability from their leaders.

Anonymous said...



លោក យឹម សុវណ្ណ"អះអាង​ថា ការបង្កើត​គណៈកម្មកា​រ​ពិសេស​ដើម្បី​ស៊ើបអង្កេត​ភាពមិនប្រក្រតី​នៃ​ការបោះឆ្នោត​នោះ​មិនមែនជា​វិធី​តែមួយគត់​នោះទេ"។

គឺបានន័យថា

មានវិធី​មួយទៀត គឺចូលរួមជាមួយ គណបក្ស ប្រជាជន កម្ពុជាហ៊ិនសែន

ភាពមិនប្រក្រតី​នៃ​ការបោះឆ្នោត

នឹងក្លាយជា

ភាពប្រក្រតី​នៃ​ការបោះឆ្នោត។

Anonymous said...

HUN SEN was smiling at the Meeting but HUN SEN will cry when he will see the hand cuff and the World Criminal Court invite him to see them

Anonymous said...

I'm pleading to my compatriots to be patient and calm and let the CNRP committee outside Cambodia working behind the scene with the international community and U.S. Foreign Relation Committe to resolve the issue of election fraud 2013. This is politic, there a some secret activities that CNRP dont want the public to know. I'm also disappointing about the CNRP negotiating with CPP, but remember every good solution always takes time.


Teuk Phnek Khmers.

Anonymous said...

ខ្មែរមួយចំនួនខ្លះបានដឹងជាមុនហើយថា មិនយូរទេពួក
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