The meeting has reached an agreement on three points:
1. Respect the king's message dated 16/9/13 calling for calm and peace after a day of violence between police and protesters.
2. Both sides agreed to set up a mechanism for the reforms of the elections in the future.
3. Both sides continue to talk at all levels to resolve national issues.
Khmerican's comment: In my opinion, the agreement is worth the paper it is written on. The first point is effectively calling for a stop of the protests. If there is no protest, there would not be police presence and therefore there will be no violence, hence protests must cease first. Hun Sen won on this point.
The second point, Hun Sen won again. The agreement did not set a specific time frame. The election reforms will take place "in the future". The future can mean anything -10, 20 years. Hun Sen is notorious for reneging on agreements. He will forget this point after he is appointed PM, so Sam Rainsy should insert clauses that state specifically the time frame, say "the reform must commence immediately after the new government is formed", etc.
The third point, Hun Sen won again. It said both sides continue to talk, but again did not set a specific time frame (date) when the talk has to start. Hun Sen can just procrastinate or ignore this point altogether after he is appointed PM.
Again, Rainsy must remember that Hun Sen is notorious for reneging on agreements. As soon as he got what he wanted, he will forget everything about the agreements. To conclude, in my opinion, this agreement is a no-agreement, it's meaningless as far as Hun Sen is concerned.
31 comments:
one side has signature in Khmer and the other side is in foreign letters.
One side has history of outstanding manipulating, salvage, tactitical, twist and turn, and experience in negotiation.
The other side is much less experiences, loose foundation, but has strong ideas, good at galvenize the popular support,purely depend on speculation and expectation on their efforts.
Hun sen used king to put trap on Sam rainsy .It didn't matter Samrainsy do will get in his trap .If sam rainsy bach away they will said Sam rainsy broke agreement.How Sam rainsy get away with that because he has no power behind and Hun sen never care because he's in driver side. i mean his son get a China gun and YOUN army and when YOUN kill khmer no one can find who did it.
The number rule of negotiation is not to negotiate! This is what AH HUN SEN had done! Sam Rainsy and Kem Sokha is finished with their political career!
When Cambodian people sent Sam Rainsy and Kem Sokha to deal with AH HUN SEN Vietcong slave, Cambodian people never want Sam Rainsy and Kem Sokha to agree with AH HUN SEN Vietcong slave on any point beside finding justice...All Cambodian people want so much is justice! Sam Rainsy and Kem Sokha can't deliver that simple promise.
It is so sad...this is politic as usual in Cambodia!
The number one rule of negotiation is not to negotiate! This is what AH HUN SEN had done! Sam Rainsy and Kem Sokha is finished with their political career!
When Cambodian people sent Sam Rainsy and Kem Sokha to deal with AH HUN SEN Vietcong slave, Cambodian people never want Sam Rainsy and Kem Sokha to agree with AH HUN SEN Vietcong slave on any point beside finding justice...All Cambodian people want so much is justice! Sam Rainsy and Kem Sokha can't deliver that simple promise.
It is so sad...this is politic as usual in Cambodia!
This just seems to be a superficial agreement. Very bland and without much details. The election result for this year HAVE NOT work out yet. So, the fight continues...
ប្រយត្ន័ចាញ់បោកបក្សប្រជាជន លោកប្រធាន សម រង្ស៊ី ។
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ប្រយត្ន័ ប្រជាពលរដ្ធ ចាញ់បោក លោកប្រធាន សម រង្ស៊ី ?។
គឺប្រជាពលរដ្ធ ទេ ដែលត្រូវប្រយត្ន័ ចាញ់បោក ។
ចរចារបន្ត រវាងមេដឹកនាំបក្សទាំងពីរ នូវអ្វីគ្មានទំនាក់ទំនងនឹង យុត្តិធម៌នៃការបោះឆ្នោត ។
ក្នុងកំឡុងពេល ប្រជាពលរដ្ធ កំពុងធ្វើបាតុកម្ម ទាមទារអោយមាន យុត្តិធម៌នៃការបោះឆ្នោត។
គួរឫមិនគួរ ព្រួយបារម្ភ ??។
តើមានអ្វីគួរចរចាបន្ត ?
បើគ្មានចរចាយុត្តិធម៌នៃការបោះឆ្នោត?។
The meeting has reached an agreement on three points:
1. Respect the king's message dated 16/9/13 calling for calm and peace after a day of violence between police and protesters.
2. Both sides agreed to set up a mechanism for the reforms of the elections in the future.
3. Both sides continue to talk at all levels to resolve national issues.
The CNRP,
This agreement is the beginning of the end of the CNRP.
This dumb King has never responded to any Khmer people cry out for help, the destruction of Khmer natural resource, the loss of land and sea, etc… .
The CNRP has won the election, and the CPP stole it. Now you follow “ Prea Reach Domress Sdach Leukeu Sihamoni”. It will work in favor of the Yuon slave CPP, and it will gradually weaken the CNRP. Khmer people are not going to support an aimless party CNRP. It is so sad and ridiculous that during this turbulent time, the regular citizens seem to understand Cambodia’s problems more than the so called political leaders.
Khmer people have firmly asked you to stick firmly with your initial request., and now you changed it.
Don’t count on any electoral reform that would help you (CNRP) to win again. Your decision to accept this dumb King’s advice has alienated many people already. Your wrong decision has already broken Khmer apart without the Yuon slave CPP’s action.
YOU MUST STICK WITHH YOUR INITIAL DEMAND. If you are a wimp and keep listening to that dumb King, you better quit and let the strong one resume the work because this heavy favorable opportunity to save Cambodia will never come again.
Notice that, even if the CNRP won the 2018 election, the CPP and the evil Vietnam will not transfer you the power. What would the CNRP do besides the demonstration? If you do the demonstration at that time, would this time 2013 is a better one? This 2013 demonstration has a solid foundation because the CNRP had won and this demonstration has wide support from Khmer people and the international community, and consequently the CNRP will win. Perseverance and consistency are the keys to win over this evil Vietnam. Don’t be a loser, the CNRP must know how to seize the once in a life time opportunity.
I would like to recall a vital wrong decision that the CNRP has made in this 2013 election.
Before the election, the CNRP had demanded the CPP to overhaul the NEC. The CPP refused.
After Sam Rainsy returned to Cambodia, the movement of the people supporting the CNRP was skyrocketing. I wrote in this KI everyday after Sam Rainsys return to call on the CNRP to seize the opportunity by switching from campaigning to mounting a nationwide demonstration to change the NEC because the momentum of the people supporting the CNRP was surreal and the CPP will have no choice but to accept the NECs change. I had called on the CNRPs leaders to stop campaigning a few hours and used those precious few hours to make an urgent decision to change its strategy from campaigning to demanding the NEC’s change until the election day, making the election impossible. If the election were impossible, this traitor hun Sen could not cheat and proclaimed himself the winner.
Therefore, one essential lesson is that the CNRP must understand the words opportunity and momentum. Don’t let these 2 elements slip by because they are rarely come.
If you implement this agreement, you let these 2 elements slip by, and you will become the loser forever. But, the traitor Hun Sen has never honored his promised. The CNRP must learn from him and go back and stick with your original demand: the inquiry of the electoral fraud.
If the CNRP failed this time, the CNRP should look itself after the Funsipek s fate because people including me start losing interest in you already.
Don’t ever hope that you will win in 2018 because you are dumber than a dumb person named King Siamoni, who has always followed .the traitor Hun Sen’s orders.
Bun Thoeun
I have not talk to anyone on the inside yet, today. But my understanding that this agreement is just the beginning. To show good faith as we go forward. I highly doubted that Sam Rainsy and Khem Sokkha is satisfied or given in to the CPP without the investigation. The goal have never change.
Guigo
My opinion regarding meeting on September 16, 2013 between CNRP and CPP:
No needs to respect the King messages because Hun Sen has controlled the King it mean he hijack the King all most every Cambodians known that.
CNRP should not accept to allow open gap for set up a mechanism for the reforms of the elections. This is the most dangerous, CNRP should know about Dictator Hun Sen by now.
CPP trying to drag the Cambodian people issue longer and longer, they intentionally make Cambodian people lost their interest with CNRP.
My request to CNRP:
Please stick with the principle.
Do not disappointment Cambodian people this is matter for life and dead of Cambodian people.
Making sure to set up the date for independent election investigation as soon as possible, make Cambodian people feeling comfortable.
Frequently update on investigation processing to Cambodian people.
My Khmer brother I agreed with you. I am hoping that CNRP WILL NOT DROP DEMAND FOR AN INDEPENDENT TEAM ELECTION VOTES RECOUNTED. This superficial 3 points agreement didn't really sovle current issues. There is no specified date term.
I think CNRP leaderships were forced to agree because of these problems facing them:
1. Lack of Khmer peoples turn out for mass protest have put CNRP at a
disavantages at negotiation tables.
2. U.S, EU and ASEAN playing wait and see game. This mean they will back up who ever come out on top of this " CPP will always have the upper hand if the countries PLAYING LIP SERVICES). These countries are ONLY looking out for their own economic interests. They wanted to please YOUN. CPP, CHINA for economic interests. They are not care about RIGHTS & WRONGS.
3. China, Youn, Siam, India, most ASEAN backed NEC election results. They do not wanted to headache themselves to look deeper into election irregularities because they scared to open a can of worms. Again they care about their economic interest above Cambodian justices & well being.
4. Indirectly the world are now paying attention to the Syrian conflicts. To American, EU a small poorest Asian's lives are not important to European & Arab lives ( Oil, Israel).
This is just my opinions. I would still give our CNRP leaderships time and support. Please don't loose support for Sam Rainsy & Kem Sokha. They are only hopes for poor, powerless Cambodian peoples.
4.
Must follow you conscience and the will of majority of people or lose forever, this is a last chance. Learn from past experience and Funcipec.
Don't come back to the US ask for more donation if this turn out to be the real deal.
Both's party playing political game with the poor khmer and they die for nothing. Becuase in the end they will agree to share power and nothing will change for the poor khmer live. All human disire with greet and corruption.
I want and wait for our cnpr leader sam rainsy to give more detail after the meeting. no matter what I always believe in him. khmerican is Khmer chicken live in usa, let be yourself to see and feel to resist on the field to protest against cpp like we're all protesters been there, when the heat reach above 100 degree and lack of water and food, but we're still strong and obey to our cnpr leader order. khmerican just a bunch of idiot complaint and criticize with no thought. just shut your mouth, sam rainsy knew what and how protesters feel during the protest and the communication is important between the 2 party. and he didn't say he accept anything from cpp.
3:31 AM,
I am one of the Khmer chicken who lives in the USA. I like the way you are thinking.
Yes, you are a follower, you have to wait for your leader. If you leader goes right, you have to go right; and if he goes left, you have to go left.
Keep waiting, he will give you an order soon.
ការសង្ឃឹមអំពីជ័យជម្នៈរបស់គណបក្សសង្គ្រោះជាតិ
គឺជាការសង្ឃឹមខ្យល់លើមេឃតែប៉ុណ្ណោះ!
ពួកនេះសុទ្ធតែជាពួកកាន់មាត់បាវអោយចោរ
និងជាអ្នកជួយទប់ជើងគ្រែអោយអា ហ៊ុន សែន!
ហើយពួកប្រឆាំងផ្កាប់មុខទាំងនេះគឺគ្មានបំណងធ្វើការ
ផ្លាស់ប្តូរពិតប្រាកដទេ ក្រៅពីបង្គ្រប់កៅអី និងបង្គ្រប់ងារជាឯកឧត្ដមតែប៉ុណ្ណោះ។
Whatever the statements, justice must be found for the Cambodian voters now. CNRP, don't drop your and the voters' demand for an independent inquiry.
៥៥ យកមិនយក?៥៥ យកមិនយក?៥៥ យកមិនយក?
ទោះជាពួកអាអស់ឯងខំប្រឹងស្រែក ឬ សូត្រធម៌,,,,, ស្មូត្រ, ភាវនា, សមាធិ, លុតជង្គុង ក្រាបទូល
ក្រោមល្អងធូលីព្រះបាទ, ប្តឹងទៅតុលាការ ឲ្យបែកមេឃ រញ្ជួយផែនដីទៀត
ក៍ផែនដីនេះមិនទាន់ដល់វេនពួកអាអស់ឯងដែរ នៅមានឯកឧត្ដមបណ្ឌិត
ហ៊ុន ម៉ាណែត ហ៊ុន ម៉ានិត ទៀត ។ល។ និង។ល។
ផែនដីនេះមិនអាចមាន ព្រះអាទិត្យពីររះលើផែនដីតែមួយបានឡើយ។
ចេះច្បាប់បោះឆ្នោតទេ? ចេះគណិតសាស្ដ្រទេ? ៥០+១ = ១២៣/២=៦១.៥+១=៦២.៥
លេខចេញយ៉ាងច្បាស់ចាញ់ហើយ មិនព្រមចាញ់ទៀត
ត្រូវចាំណា សមេ្តចបណ្ឌិតអគ្គមហាសេនាបតីតេជោ ហ៊ុន សែន វរ្ម័នទី១ មិនមែនជាមនុស្សលោកទេ សមេ្តចជាព្រះបាទ ហ៊ុន ទៀន ចាប់ជាតិ សមេ្តចជាព្រះបាទធម្មិក សមេ្តចជាព្រះអាទិទេព សមេ្តចជាទេវតារស់មកសង្គ្រោះប្រជាជនកម្ពុជា និងប្រទេសកម្ពុជាឱ្យ សម្បូរសប្បាយ រង់រឿង និងសុខក្សេមក្សាន្ដ!!!
សមេ្តចជាព្រះអាទិត្យតែមួយ រះលើផែនដីនេះ...។
ជយោ! សមេ្តចបណ្ឌិតអគ្គមហាសេនាបតីតេជោ ហ៊ុន សែន វរ្ម័នទី១ ជាទេវតានៃកម្ពុជា!!!
បរាជ័យ! ពួកអាខ្មែរក្បត់ជាតិរត់ចោលស្រុក!
បរាជ័យពួកអាសត្វឆ្កែបរទេស (!!)
បរាជ័យពួកអាកាកសំណល់បាតសង្គម (!!)
ពីអញ
ហ្ការី អ៊ឹង
សមាគមខ្មែរឡុងប៉ិចរដ្ឋកាលីហ្វ័រញ៉ា
ហ្ការី អ៊ឹង
សមាគមខ្មែរឡុងប៉ិចរដ្ឋកាលីហ្វ័រញ៉ា
4:22AM
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កូនខ្មែរមិនខ្វល់ថា អាចុយម៉្រាយឯង4:22AM ជាអា ណា នោះទេ? មួយថ្ងៃៗគេឯងបោះជំហានទៅមុខជានិច្ច
ឯកូនមីសំផឹងយួនឯងនេះ ឃើញតែនិយាយបញ្ហា ដដែលជាដដែល ពូជអាថោកទាបគ្មានលេខ ហាស់! ហា!!
Sam rainsy and kem sokha is in the loop of what Hun sen
Wanted. You both fight with the strong man you remember it. The style he did before. , he threat and kill a couple lives
And then he ask the stupid kg to reconcile in order to make you happy. Did you remember so naro gave you a lesson?
Hun sen he even kiss your ass as long as he still lead the
Country until he is 90 years old. We are cambodian seen
You as a weak leader now. If you can not finished the job
At this time. Have you. Ever see anytime in you life that Cambodian rise up inside and outside like now? So why don't you take this opportunity to bring him down. No loss, no binifit. Cambodian already said we want to sacrifice our life until he get hung. Ca
4:22 AM
You are way behind your party. I have seen your comment before. It is too bad that your kind is part of Cambodian Community in Long Beach.
Your party is trying to work with CNRP to change and improve things for the people and its political system.
Your trash talk only reflects your narrow old ass-kissing style that pollutes and degrades Khmer society.
Take sometimes to reflex on what you wrote. And perhaps, take pills to cure your mental health issues.
I already expect that you are going to copy your comment and past it again very soon.
The more you do, the more you degrade yourself.
Please be patient gentlemen!
I think it is worth of doing so.
The three points agreement allows demonstration to continue but in peaceful manner from both side to avoid blood shed.
Disadvantage would be the space of time given to oppressor and its group to seize opportunity for the first session in assembly. It is indeed CNRP can boycott the opening session by constitution framework.
I hope more constructive input fromCPP to the deadlock, however Cambodians' wish has to be respected, for the national interest rather than influence of Vietnam.
China ,now, is also an important ally to Cambodia politically and economically. US can persuade China on Cambodia, leaving South China Sea out of context.
We can only hope that focus on national interest, CPP can contribute more, then we can actually see more about who are on Cambodians side.
Meanwhile, momentum of change is more encouraged. And also the victims out of tragedy need to be cared for.
Praise for the spirit of Angkor be with us.
Neang SA
Sam Rainsy, Kem Sokha, CNRP, Sihanouk Pol Pot, Hun Sen, Sihamoni, Ranariddh, They are the same. They all are traitors to The Khmer people and their country.
Down with him, Kem Sokha and CNRP!លោកសមរង្ស៊ី, កឹមសុខា, CNRP, តប៉ុលពតសីហនុ, លោកហ៊ុនសែន, សីហមុនី, រណឫទ្ធិ, ពួកគេគឺមានដូចគ្នា។ ពួកគេទាំងអស់គ្នាគឺជាជនក្បត់ដើម្បីប្រជាជនខ្មែរនិងប្រទេសរបស់ពួកគេ។
ចុះនរក ជាមួយលោកសមរង្ស៊ី, កឹមសុខានិង CNRP
Our leaders have Viet head and Khmer body
ពិតជាអស្ចារ្យណាស់! សាច់រឿងវាលពិឃាត មិនអាចបញ្ចប់ជីវិត្តខ្មែរជាដាច់ខាត!
ទោះបីជាបច្ចុប្បន្ន អស់លោកទាំងអស់ គិតតែពីស្ដីបន្ទោស មេដឹកនាំខ្មែរអ្នកស្នេហារជាតិ គ្នាឯងដោយចេញពីការ ច្រណែនឈ្នានិះ យ៉ាងណាក៏ដោយ ក៏មិនអាចបំបែកបំបាក់ កម្លាំងសាម្គីស្នេហារជាតិរបស់ខ្មែរពេលនេះបានដែរ!
ពួកមេញុះញង់ ខំអត់យ៉ាងណា ក៏គេចមិនផុត ពីធម្មជាតិនៃភាពឃោឃៅស្ដែងចេញខ្លះ អោយអន្តរជាតិឃើញទាល់តែបាន!
ពីព្រោះ៖
កូនខ្មែរភាគច្រើន ឈប់ចាញ់បោក ពួកមេយាយ៉ី ញុះញង់ទៀតហើយៗបានយលដឹងនូវប្រវត្តិសាស្ដ្ររបស់ខ្លួនច្បាស់អស់ហើយ!
ពាក្យចាស់ពោលថា "បើគេបង្រៀនអ្វី យើងប្រាកដជាចេះមិនខាន"!
កូនខ្មែរតរទៅនេះមិន ធ្វើអ្វីៗ ដើម្បីយកឈ្នះខ្មែរឯង ទៀតទេ! ហើយជួយគ្នាឲ្យផុតពីកំហុស ដែលអាចនាំខ្មែរទាំងអស់ធ្លាក់ចុះក្នុងជ្រោះមរណៈ មិនបណ្ដោយឲ្យពួកបរទេសចាំទទួលផលនោះ បានសម្រេចបំណងឡើយ!
ខ្មែរច្បាស់ជាចេះអនុគ្រោះ អោយខ្មែរគ្នាឯង នូវកំហុស រវៀងខ្មែរ នឹង ខ្មែរគ្នាឯងកន្លងមក ហើយបន្តរ ចងក្រងប្រវត្តិសាស្ដ្រថ្មី ដ៏ល្អឥតខ្ចោះ សម្រាប់ ពង្សាវតាខ្មែរជានិរន្ដ!
All khmers are the same:
Stupid
Lazy
Coward
Only care about money and power.
ក្រោកឡើងខ្មែរគ្រប់រូប....
ដល់ថ្ងៃអន្សារបស់ពួកអាឆ្កែកញ្ជះយួនហើយ…!
ក្រោកឡើងខ្មែរគ្រប់គ្នាដល់ពេលវេលាហើយត្រូវ :
*** សំលៀងកាំបិត, ពូថៅ, ដាវ , ខ្វែវ, ផ្គាក់,
*** ប្រើព្រួញ, សរ, ច្បូក,លំពែង,ធ្នូ,ដំបង, ព្រនង់,
*** គាស់កាំភ្លើង, គ្រាប់បែក, បេសែសិប, បេសែមួយ, មីន, មីនកន្ត្រាក់,
មីនបង្កប់, មីនក្លេម័រ, មីនតោន, កាំភ្លើងធំ, កាំភ្លើងត្បាល់, ក្រោកឡើងជាមួយយុទ្ធភ័ណទាំងអស់នេះ បាញ់ កាប់ និងចាក់ ក្បាលអាឆ្កែកញ្ជះយួនសងសិកអោយខ្មែរ
ស្នេហាជាតិនិងដើម្បីការពារមរតកជាតិនិងយកទឹកដីរបស់យើងមកវិញ។
យើងខ្មែរទូទាំងប្រទេស គួរយកគំរូពី ប្រទេសទុយនេហ្ស៊ី
ទៅ ប្រទេសអេហ្ស៊ីប, យេមែន, បារ៉ែន, លីប៊ី, សេរី... « បដិវត្តន៍ផ្កាម្លិះ » ជាគំរូ!
«ហ៊ានស្លាប់ដើម្បីរស់»
MUST be careful with every step to sing with HUN SEN, because HUN SEN has his Hanoi boss, and HANOI boss have many experts to design how to swallow Cambodia easily, Vietnam never wish to see Cambodia will have peace, freedom, and justice if Cambodia will, they will have a big trouble in the future
Hun Sen was using the killing of one innocent to tame the protesters. This is an alternative tactic that he used to negotiate with the opposing party to agree to his own terms. This gesture is one of the many tricks that he had used and will continue to find ways to break down the will of the people.
My fellow Cambodians, please remember to keep on fighting for our own freedom and never sway away from our ultimate goal, FREEDOM and FAIRNESS OF ELECTION leading to a bright future for all Cambodians. WE MUST NOT FALL INTO THE TRAP.
We must learn from past history.
Please be patient and kind to one another as we climb this difficult mountain together. We should not be deterred from negativity that may cloud our judgement. Our ultimate goal for LIBERTY and FREEDOM shall not fade.
We will continue to join forces and fight for our future until we achieve our GOAL.
Be strong and we will prosper.
លោកសម រង្ស៊ី និងលោក កឹមសុខា បានចរចារួចហើយនូវអ្វី ដែល « មិនទាមទារ
នៅទីលានប្រជាធិបតេយ្យ » :
1. Respect the king's message dated 16/9/13
2. The reforms of the elections in the future.
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