Pin Samkhon (right) interviewing Pol Pot (left) in Anlong Veng on the 2nd of April, 1998.This interview was recorded by Mr. Pin Samkhon, head of Radio Free Asia’s Khmer Service, in Anlong Veng on the 2nd of April 1998, two weeks before Pol Pot died in April, 1998.
Translated from Khmer by Khmerization
http://khmerization.blogspot.com/
A Short Biography
Salot Sar, alias,Pol Pot, was born into a well to do landowner family on 19th May 1925 in Prek Sbov village, Kampong Thom province. When he was young he became a temple boy for six years before matriculating Kampong Cham College where he met Khieu Samphan, who had also studied there. After Kampong Cham college he studied carpentry at Phnom Penh technical college for one year and in 1949 he received a scholarship to study radio electronics in France.
Pol Pot joined an anti-French movement under Ho Chi Minh leadership in the 1940s. In 1946 he joined the Communist Party of Cambodia. During his studies in France from 1949-1953 Pol Pot had participated actively in the French revolutionary movement. Upon returning to Cambodia he became a teacher at a private college called Chamroeun Vichea. In 1963, along with Ieng Sary, Son Sen and other leftists, he fled to the jungle after the authority wanted him arrested for his communist and anti-government activities.
Pol Pot became secretary of the Communist Party of Cambodia in 1963 after Tou Samouth, the former secretary, mysteriously disappeared. He held this position until 1975. After the Khmer Rouge came to power in 1975 he was elected prime minister of the Khmer Rouge regime from 1976-1979, in a sham and fraudulent election.
When the Vietnamese invading forces toppled the Khmer Rouge regime on the 7th of January 1979 Pol Pot and his cliques fled the Khmer-Thai borders and established his guerrilla bases there. In 1985 he was stripped off all of his political and military roles.
Pol Pot was arrested in mid 1997 after an internal fighting between forces loyal to him and forces loyal to Ta Mok. Shortly after his arrest he was tried by the Khmer Rouge “people’s court”, in a farcical show trial to showcase the international community. After a long illness, he died in April 1998 and was cremated in the jungle of the Thai-Khmer border area of Anlong Veng. His tomb is one of the popular attractions for many Cambodian and foreign tourists.
Interview
Pin Samkhon: Today is the 2nd of April 1998. This interview is being recorded in Ang Veng after there were rumours that Mr. Pol Pot was evacuated to Thailand. How is your health at the moment?
Pol Pot: first of all I would like to thank a representative of Radio Free Asia who had come to personally interview me about various current issues. First I would like to answer your question of where I am living now and where I was living before.
For many, many years I was always living in Anlong Veng. I have sometimes been moved to different locations around Anlong Veng according to the situation at that time. But after the event of June 1997 I was arrested and detained in an isolated house, where I was cut off from contacts with the general population. But I have been provided with enough food to feed myself and my family. So I want to tell the people that I was not evacuated anywhere but I wish to tell you that there was a fighting. The authority had arranged to send me to stay in a secret location, about half a kilometre or one kilometre from the centre of Anlong Veng. But the place is a secret place. So I wish to tell the people that I did not or was not moved anywhere. I could not move anywhere because their country (Thailand) has a law, they have their police and military forces. So how can I go in and out of that country as I wish? So I wish to tell people that I did not move to any other country. I am still in the same area. This is the first thing I wanted to tell you.
Secondly, about my health. In fact I was seriously ill since 1985 because I worked too hard, days and nights. I had severe headaches. My head become very hot. I have sore eyes and chest pains. I didn’t know what I was suffering from because when I woke up one night I couldn’t see anything. I thought that I just had a normal sore eye but when I scratched my eyes several time I become totally blind. When the doctors examined me they said that I was suffering from heart problem. When my heart tries to work very hard it causes a headache because my blood circulation could not reach my brain system. That’s why I have severe headaches, chest pains and sore eyes constantly because my heart has only one valve, not two valves as normal. But my heart has only one valve since I was born. So it cannot supply enough blood to all the systems. If I work normal it’s ok but if I work really hard then my blood circulation cannot supply to all the systems in the body. That’s why I was sick everyday. And from June 1997, because I was arrested and detained, my health has deteriorated. It is normal. As a human being one has to suffer at some point. But since that time my illness has deteriorated and now I got one more problem and that is lung problem. When I have a cold shower I felt shiver and cold and that causes me to cough constantly. It causes me to have short breath and as a result it causes a heart problem because the lung supports the heart. So when the lung has a problem it cannot support the heart. Now my illness has become chronic. I cannot have a cold shower. If I use cold water it will cause the left part of my body to feel numb and it causes me to till to the left side when I try to walk. And if I don’t use walking stick to support myself I will fall. I also caught malaria as well. It will not cure because I am living in the jungle infested with malarial diseases.
Samkhon: Now that you have been detained, are you provided for with enough food? And are you allowed to go out and walk around the house?
Pol Pot: I can walk short distance around the house because I’m too frail to walk far.
Samkhon: So you can walk around the house?
Pol Pot: Yes, but I’m not allowed to let anyone see me. If people can see me then people will know where I’m being detained. I can walk but I must not allow anyone to see me.
Samkhon: Are there any people living around you?
Pol Pot: I was neither so isolated nor was I so close to anyone. At night I feel bored but there are people living around my house, about 100 metres or 150 metres away. I have to grow my own vegetable. For rice and cooking oil I have to buy it. I can only eat vegetable because the doctors did not allow me to eat any meat.
Samkhon: When you are sick where can you seek medical treatment?
Pol Pot: At the moment I cannot get any but I have some medicines left before so I use those medicines with the instructions from someone who knew how to use them. I have lists for medicines so when they run out I asked for permission to buy some more. The medicines were not enough but they help my health to a certain extent.
Samkhon: Your illness happened at the same times when you are arrested and detained. Do you think that this illness caused by your detention?
Pol Pot: No, it is not. As a human being no one wanted to be ill. I don’t believe that it is caused by my detention. I am sick by natural causes. First I am not that old but in Khmer saying, because I am sick, it means I’m old.
Samkhon: How old are you now?
Pol Pot: Now I am 73 years old. But in the Western world 73 years old is not too old because they have a good life. I am 73 years old now so it is time for me to rest. Even if there is no detention I will be unable to do anything because when I do something I am always coughing because of my lung and my heart. They cause me to have short breath. If it happened in the middle of the night I have to get up and take medicines straight away.
Samkhon: Now, I have seen that you are very far from the political scene.
Pol Pot: I have detached my self from the political scene since I was detained 9 months ago.
Samkhon: Did you know about the three foreign kidnapped hostages (Englishman Mark Slater, Frenchman Jean Michel Braquet and Australian David Wilson)? The other one is a de-miner (Christopher Howes). Have you seen them?
Pol Pot: I wish to tell you that I was not responsible for any military affairs. I was responsible for political affairs and education only and I have never travelled anywhere. I have always stayed in Anlong Veng. If we talk about travelling by car I have never travelled for more than 10 minutes in travelling time. So I didn’t know anything about those hostages.
Samkhon: So some decisions were made at the local level.
Pol Pot: Regarding this issue I have no comment to make because I didn’t know anything about those hostages. In short, I knew nothing at all. I wish to say that there should not be any problem, so why did we cause a problem?
Samkhon: If there is a request to seek your help in searching for those people, even they are still alive or dead, is it possible?
Pol Pot: Even if I try to help where can I start to search for them, firstly. And secondly, I have no capacity or authority to help in the search for them. As I told you earlier that I was not responsible for what happened on the ground. I was only responsible for political affairs and political education of the cadres. I was never responsible the decision-making of anything.
Samkhon: Who was responsible for the decision-making process?
Pol Pot: It was the responsibility of the Military Committee or the Economic Committee and so on. I was in charge of political affairs only.
Samkhon: Mr. Pol Pot, thank you for the interview and hope to see you again in the future.
Pol Pot: Thank you, but I am afraid that I might not live long enough to see you again(laughter).
Samkhon: Now, time has changed and the Khmer people need to live in peace….
Pol Pot: Yes, finally I wish to thank Radio Free Asia and you as its representative. I wish to say that in my past struggle I have never harboured any personal ambitions or personal gains. Thank you.
(To be continued to part 2)
Translated from Khmer by Khmerization
http://khmerization.blogspot.com/
A Short Biography
Salot Sar, alias,Pol Pot, was born into a well to do landowner family on 19th May 1925 in Prek Sbov village, Kampong Thom province. When he was young he became a temple boy for six years before matriculating Kampong Cham College where he met Khieu Samphan, who had also studied there. After Kampong Cham college he studied carpentry at Phnom Penh technical college for one year and in 1949 he received a scholarship to study radio electronics in France.
Pol Pot joined an anti-French movement under Ho Chi Minh leadership in the 1940s. In 1946 he joined the Communist Party of Cambodia. During his studies in France from 1949-1953 Pol Pot had participated actively in the French revolutionary movement. Upon returning to Cambodia he became a teacher at a private college called Chamroeun Vichea. In 1963, along with Ieng Sary, Son Sen and other leftists, he fled to the jungle after the authority wanted him arrested for his communist and anti-government activities.
Pol Pot became secretary of the Communist Party of Cambodia in 1963 after Tou Samouth, the former secretary, mysteriously disappeared. He held this position until 1975. After the Khmer Rouge came to power in 1975 he was elected prime minister of the Khmer Rouge regime from 1976-1979, in a sham and fraudulent election.
When the Vietnamese invading forces toppled the Khmer Rouge regime on the 7th of January 1979 Pol Pot and his cliques fled the Khmer-Thai borders and established his guerrilla bases there. In 1985 he was stripped off all of his political and military roles.
Pol Pot was arrested in mid 1997 after an internal fighting between forces loyal to him and forces loyal to Ta Mok. Shortly after his arrest he was tried by the Khmer Rouge “people’s court”, in a farcical show trial to showcase the international community. After a long illness, he died in April 1998 and was cremated in the jungle of the Thai-Khmer border area of Anlong Veng. His tomb is one of the popular attractions for many Cambodian and foreign tourists.
Interview
Pin Samkhon: Today is the 2nd of April 1998. This interview is being recorded in Ang Veng after there were rumours that Mr. Pol Pot was evacuated to Thailand. How is your health at the moment?
Pol Pot: first of all I would like to thank a representative of Radio Free Asia who had come to personally interview me about various current issues. First I would like to answer your question of where I am living now and where I was living before.
For many, many years I was always living in Anlong Veng. I have sometimes been moved to different locations around Anlong Veng according to the situation at that time. But after the event of June 1997 I was arrested and detained in an isolated house, where I was cut off from contacts with the general population. But I have been provided with enough food to feed myself and my family. So I want to tell the people that I was not evacuated anywhere but I wish to tell you that there was a fighting. The authority had arranged to send me to stay in a secret location, about half a kilometre or one kilometre from the centre of Anlong Veng. But the place is a secret place. So I wish to tell the people that I did not or was not moved anywhere. I could not move anywhere because their country (Thailand) has a law, they have their police and military forces. So how can I go in and out of that country as I wish? So I wish to tell people that I did not move to any other country. I am still in the same area. This is the first thing I wanted to tell you.
Secondly, about my health. In fact I was seriously ill since 1985 because I worked too hard, days and nights. I had severe headaches. My head become very hot. I have sore eyes and chest pains. I didn’t know what I was suffering from because when I woke up one night I couldn’t see anything. I thought that I just had a normal sore eye but when I scratched my eyes several time I become totally blind. When the doctors examined me they said that I was suffering from heart problem. When my heart tries to work very hard it causes a headache because my blood circulation could not reach my brain system. That’s why I have severe headaches, chest pains and sore eyes constantly because my heart has only one valve, not two valves as normal. But my heart has only one valve since I was born. So it cannot supply enough blood to all the systems. If I work normal it’s ok but if I work really hard then my blood circulation cannot supply to all the systems in the body. That’s why I was sick everyday. And from June 1997, because I was arrested and detained, my health has deteriorated. It is normal. As a human being one has to suffer at some point. But since that time my illness has deteriorated and now I got one more problem and that is lung problem. When I have a cold shower I felt shiver and cold and that causes me to cough constantly. It causes me to have short breath and as a result it causes a heart problem because the lung supports the heart. So when the lung has a problem it cannot support the heart. Now my illness has become chronic. I cannot have a cold shower. If I use cold water it will cause the left part of my body to feel numb and it causes me to till to the left side when I try to walk. And if I don’t use walking stick to support myself I will fall. I also caught malaria as well. It will not cure because I am living in the jungle infested with malarial diseases.
Samkhon: Now that you have been detained, are you provided for with enough food? And are you allowed to go out and walk around the house?
Pol Pot: I can walk short distance around the house because I’m too frail to walk far.
Samkhon: So you can walk around the house?
Pol Pot: Yes, but I’m not allowed to let anyone see me. If people can see me then people will know where I’m being detained. I can walk but I must not allow anyone to see me.
Samkhon: Are there any people living around you?
Pol Pot: I was neither so isolated nor was I so close to anyone. At night I feel bored but there are people living around my house, about 100 metres or 150 metres away. I have to grow my own vegetable. For rice and cooking oil I have to buy it. I can only eat vegetable because the doctors did not allow me to eat any meat.
Samkhon: When you are sick where can you seek medical treatment?
Pol Pot: At the moment I cannot get any but I have some medicines left before so I use those medicines with the instructions from someone who knew how to use them. I have lists for medicines so when they run out I asked for permission to buy some more. The medicines were not enough but they help my health to a certain extent.
Samkhon: Your illness happened at the same times when you are arrested and detained. Do you think that this illness caused by your detention?
Pol Pot: No, it is not. As a human being no one wanted to be ill. I don’t believe that it is caused by my detention. I am sick by natural causes. First I am not that old but in Khmer saying, because I am sick, it means I’m old.
Samkhon: How old are you now?
Pol Pot: Now I am 73 years old. But in the Western world 73 years old is not too old because they have a good life. I am 73 years old now so it is time for me to rest. Even if there is no detention I will be unable to do anything because when I do something I am always coughing because of my lung and my heart. They cause me to have short breath. If it happened in the middle of the night I have to get up and take medicines straight away.
Samkhon: Now, I have seen that you are very far from the political scene.
Pol Pot: I have detached my self from the political scene since I was detained 9 months ago.
Samkhon: Did you know about the three foreign kidnapped hostages (Englishman Mark Slater, Frenchman Jean Michel Braquet and Australian David Wilson)? The other one is a de-miner (Christopher Howes). Have you seen them?
Pol Pot: I wish to tell you that I was not responsible for any military affairs. I was responsible for political affairs and education only and I have never travelled anywhere. I have always stayed in Anlong Veng. If we talk about travelling by car I have never travelled for more than 10 minutes in travelling time. So I didn’t know anything about those hostages.
Samkhon: So some decisions were made at the local level.
Pol Pot: Regarding this issue I have no comment to make because I didn’t know anything about those hostages. In short, I knew nothing at all. I wish to say that there should not be any problem, so why did we cause a problem?
Samkhon: If there is a request to seek your help in searching for those people, even they are still alive or dead, is it possible?
Pol Pot: Even if I try to help where can I start to search for them, firstly. And secondly, I have no capacity or authority to help in the search for them. As I told you earlier that I was not responsible for what happened on the ground. I was only responsible for political affairs and political education of the cadres. I was never responsible the decision-making of anything.
Samkhon: Who was responsible for the decision-making process?
Pol Pot: It was the responsibility of the Military Committee or the Economic Committee and so on. I was in charge of political affairs only.
Samkhon: Mr. Pol Pot, thank you for the interview and hope to see you again in the future.
Pol Pot: Thank you, but I am afraid that I might not live long enough to see you again(laughter).
Samkhon: Now, time has changed and the Khmer people need to live in peace….
Pol Pot: Yes, finally I wish to thank Radio Free Asia and you as its representative. I wish to say that in my past struggle I have never harboured any personal ambitions or personal gains. Thank you.
(To be continued to part 2)
15 comments:
Without a doubt Pol Pot is very patriotic man!
If Pol Pot is so patriotic and willing to sacrifice his life for the love of Cambodia and why he created so much suffering for Cambodian people under his rule?
Let face it! According to Pol Pot Cambodia is very weak country with no weapons whose leaders have so little experience in politic! What the Cambodian leaders and Cambodian people didn't know is that the political game was already set up in not in their favor and all was needed are participants!
Cambodian leaders were such a fool to participate in such political game and look at what become of Cambodia now!
Pol Pot can't be blamed for everything that happens to Cambodia! Even today, Cambodia as a country continue to be fucked over by same those who set up the political game!
It is God intention to create man to kill another man!
It is not God's intention for us to do anything, he gave us free will to make choices. Lets keep God out of this issue. Who can we blame on the mass killing? The leaders of course, everyone points to Pol Pot as the leader. I believe the Khmer Rouge was never organized in the beginning. There was no authoritarian dictatorship. Pol Pot in a sense was never like Mao Tse Tung or Stalin. I compare the Khmer Rouge era to the feudal ages where every separate Khmer Rouge village had a chief and that chief had power to his or her self. Blame the mass killings on the micro and macro scale!
I had never once believe that Pol Pot did really die. I still believe that the political game is still on in full force.
The secrets of Vietnamese's expansionism policy has floating on the surface and the world is eyeing on the Viet's.
I believe Tou Samouth, Son Sen, Siev Heng, Sing Ngoc Minh, Son Sann had a lot to do with Khmer's destruction.
To 5:53AM!
What is the fucken point for trying to blame the Khmer Krom people? Tell me! Who invaded Cambodia? Is it the Vietcong or the Khmer Krom people?
Watch your mouth stupid mother fucker!
No question, it was the Ah Khmer-Yuon who invaded Cambodia and help the CIA to coupe Khmer's king and causing all of the destructions afterward.
All the Vietcong ever did was using some of our roads to get to South Vietnam. They could have taken over the entire country for that but they didn't.
Anyhow, what important here is Pol Pot had lost our country to Vietnam just as Ah Khmer-Yuon had lost their land to Vietnam. Thus, it will be stupid to even listen to their stupid ideas, unless we want to lose our country again.
Almost all French educated asians turned communists, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Sihanout (his best friends are Communist North Korea, China, Vietnam).
The French really had done a great job to brainwash these people to destroy their own countries.
To 5:44PM
Yes! I heard the Vietcong said that before but you know the Vietcong were died trying to occupy Cambodia for 10 years and even now they still looking for their MIA in Cambodia!
Thank to the B-52 for making the Vietcong run like hell back to Vietname! Ahhahahhahhah
Oh well! The Vietcong had learned enough lessons in Cambodia for 10 years and I hope the Vietcong won't try anything stupid again! Ahahhahha
Well, if the Vietcong have a hard time finding their MIA, it can't only meant that they was never here. It was all Ah Khmer-Yuons imitatting the Vietcong and killing Khmers. Isn't that so, 1:51?
To 2:29AM
Believe it or not! The B-52 500 pound bombs can blow up any Vietcong into smithereens and that the reason why the Vietcong leaders have such a hard time finding their so called MIA! Ahahhahahhahhah!
Are you trying to outsmart me with your stupid Vietcong logic? I suggest you try harder next time!
Come on dude, you can't obliterated all Vietcongs. There will be always be some at the edge of the explosion that could still be found if they were here.
Once Pleu, still pleu!
The Viet used those Khmer Kampuchea Krom to destroy Khmer Kampuchea Krom and Cambodia.
Don't be so pleu! Use your logic!
The Viet needn't used anything had the US stayed out of the area.
The Vietcong troops were in Cambodia long before the Khmer Rouge came to power! And the Vietcong claimed their presence in Cambodia is not an act of invasion but as liberator! Ahhahhahahhah!
This is the Vietcong logic at it best! Nobody in the world can understand this Vietcong logic only the Vietcong themselves can understand it! Ahahhahhahah
Well, the Vietcong was here for the French, and most people don't mind them being here for that.
And then they were here for the Khmer Rouge, and most of us (except for KR) don't mind them being here either.
Are you telling me that the Vietcong never kill Khmer people?
The French were in Cambodia to protect Khmer people from the Vietcong and the Thaicong!
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