Editorial by Khmerization
Originally posted at http://khmerization.blogspot.com
“The Khmer Rouge Tribunal is still in full operation. It is not too late to bring the perpetrators of the crimes, the likes of Hor Namhong and Keat Chhon, to answer what they knew about the Khmer Rouge atrocities and their involvements in those atrocities. So, let’s battle it out, Rainsy.”Some people would just want to let the Khmer Rouge leaders live with their guilt and let bygones be bygones for the sake of national reconciliation, peace, prosperity and stability. But with over 1.7 million Khmers died in tragic circumstances and with many victims traumatised and national healing is at stake, it is unimaginable to let the Khmer Rouge crimes go unpunished and let bygones to be gone by. We Khmer must be reconciled to the fact that national reconciliation must come with justice, and to let the bygones to by gone by as in the case of the Khmer Rouge crimes, would be a betrayal of mankind and the 1.7 million who perished in the most inhuman ways. The truth must be revealed and that the perpetrators and their cohorts must be unmasked.
It is interesting to see that, while the Khmer Rouge Tribunal is making great efforts to bring former Khmer Rouge to justice, other former Khmer Rouge, the likes of Hor Namhong and Keat Chhon are trying to battle it out with their victims (Sam Rainsy and co.) in the Cambodian court, citing defamation (read this link).
While defamation is very hard to prove and prosecute in an independent judiciary, it is not in the Cambodian judiciary, especially when the court is at the disposal of the plaintiff, in this case Hor Namhong, who is a senior government minister and the defendant, Sam Rainsy, who happens to be an opposition leader. But this is a fight over principle and, win or lose, the one who has the most to lose will be Hor Namhong himself.
Let’s set the record straight here. In order for any defamation cases to prevail and be successfully prosecuted, the plaintiff must prove and satisfy three elements of the laws. Firstly, the plaintiff must prove that the person who defamed him had actually identified him by name. In this case, it’s disputable whether Rainsy did identify Hor Namhong in his speech, although Rainsy did mention the person by his job description as a foreign minister. Secondly, the allegation must have been published or being communicated to the public. Sam Rainsy made the comments and they have been communicated to his audience and the comments were published by local and international media. Thirdly, that the defendant must have known that his statements are false and that the plaintiff must have suffered damages as a result of those false statements. To satisfy this element of the laws, Hor Namhong must prove that he had suffered in the form of damages to his reputation or job loss, he was subject to public ridicule, hatred and contempt or degradation to his dignity.
By close examination, Hor Hamhong has no strong legal basis for a defamation suit. While Hor Namhong can satisfy the second element of the laws described above, it would be very difficult for him to satisfy the first and third element of the laws. In conclusion, his defamation law suit against Sam Rainsy has no merit and is therefore has a very low chance of victory, if the case is brought before an independent judiciary. But in Cambodia, where the judiciary is at Hor Namhong’s disposal, the chance of a legal success over Sam Rainsy is a sure thing.
All the legal challenges above notwithstanding, Sam Rainsy is not left without a defence. While the plaintiff must satisfy three elements of the laws to be able to successfully prosecute the defamation case, the defendant has also three elements of the laws to defend him/herself against the defamation suit. First is the truth. The truth is the ultimate defence against defamation suit. Sam Rainsy said that Hor Namhong was a director of the Boeng Trabek Prison, which was true. And, as a chief of the prison, he was responsible for the tortures, murders and disappearances of many Cambodian and foreign diplomats, the likes of Sarin Chhak, Chau Seng etc. who were imprisoned at Boeng Trabek and who have disappeared mysteriously without a trace.
Secondly, that Sam Rainsy’s statements were made in the public interests. With over 1.7 million deaths under the Khmer Rouge regime, with the Khmer Rouge Tribunal is seeking for the truth and uncountable executions at Boeng Trabek Prison, the public has the interests and the right to know the truth. Thirdly, is the freedom of speech and parliamentary immunity. Freedom of speech here is not a strong defence as freedom of speech has its limits. You can speak freely as long as you don’t defame someone. And parliamentary immunity is certainly not a defence here because Rainsy’s comments were made outside of parliament. It would be an ultimate defence if the comments were made inside of parliament.
In conclusion, Hor Namhong’s prosecution case is very weak, while Sam Rainsy’s case has a very strong defence - and that is the defence of the truth and the defence of public interests. Hor Namhong can only satisfy one element of the defamation laws - and that is the publications of Rainsy‘s comments, but he will not be able to prove that Rainsy’s statements were directed at him personally or that the statements were maliciously or vexatiously intended to ruin his reputation. It would be very hard to prove that he had suffered any damages as a result of Rainsy’s comments. Meanwhile, Sam Rainsy’s case can at least satisfy two elements of the defence in the defamation laws - and that is the truth and public interests. In an independent judiciary, Hor Namhong’s case has very little chance of success at all.
The Khmer Rouge Tribunal is still in full operation. It is not too late to bring the perpetrators of the crimes, the likes of Hor Namhong and Keat Chhon, to answer what they knew about the Khmer Rouge atrocities and their involvements in those atrocities. So, let’s battle it out, Rainsy.
38 comments:
Oh shut the fuck up Gorilla Fucker. Here's how Article 63 define libel and defamation:
"Article 63: Defamation and Libel
1. Any bad faith allegation or imputation of a given fact which harms the honor or reputation of an individual is a defamation. The original publication or reproduction of the allegation or imputation is punishable, even if it refers to a person who is not explicitly named but whose identity is made evident from the defamatory speech, shout, threat, writing, printing, sign, poster, or audiovisual dissemination. Any allegation or imputation against a public figure which the author, the journalist, publisher, editor, or producer knows to be false and nevertheless distributes, publishes, writes or circulates with malicious intent is also a defamation."
http://www.cdpcambodia.org/untac.asp
Thus, you don't have to name the person to be liable for libel charge.
Furthermore, Eng Chhay Eang, SRP secretary-general, said Sam Rainsy had not mentioned Hor Namhong by name, nor accused him of killing anyone. And that is not a defense either and he doesn't have any other defense as you are trying to sell us.
Yet another blow at the cpp crony party. Basically these internet agents are trying to chop Prime Minister Sam Rainsy at from the waiste down so he doesn't have a chance to win in the upcoming election.
Nice try agents; try again mate!
Happy Khmer New Year, the year when the crony cpp fall! Down with cpp and go home youn hanoi!
That is the stupidest thing I ever heard off.
Go back to South Vietnam, Ah stupid Khmer-Yuon.
Gentleman
As it is pointed out in article 63,Defamation is true if it is regarding to individual affairs, regardless whether those affairs eventuated or not.
Let's be clear that Hor Nam Hong being chief of Boeng trabaek prison is not a private matter that would cover under the privacy Acts. It is indeed a public affairs which was in a high position in KR that killed two millions cambodian. For the public interest,court should summon him as he is oblighted to clarify to cambodian people. In fact, prison is where direct killing may be committed.
Please stop abusing public power and turns it to own power.
So please call him to court whether he perpetrated any crime, or not?.
Public is waiting for his response.
Neang SA
"Sam Rainsy said. “The director of a prison can point someone and this person will be disappeared.”"
3:25, What director of prison on this planet make decision as to who should live or who should die?
Is the Khmer Rouge prison a court or something?
Clearly, Ah savage killer Xam Rainxy is 100% guilty of defamation.
Let's be clear folks. in an independent courts, it is impossible to prove that Hor Namhong will be or has suffered any damages as a result of Rainsy's comments. And Rainsy has a very strong defence- the truth and public interests. What Rainsy said was the truth- that Hor Namhong was a director of Boeng Trabek Prison and under the Khmer Rouge regime as the director of the prisons he has the power to order someone killed. Hor Namhong's case is no difference with Duch's (Kaing Guek Iev) case at all. so, if Duch is detained awaiting trial, Hor Namhong should be detained awaiting trial also. Another of Rainsy's defence is that his comments are made in the public interests. With millions of lives perished, including thousands under Hor Namhong at Boeng Trabek Prison, certainly Rainsy's comments are made in the public interests. In an indepedent court Hor Namhong will not be able to establish a case for defamation and Sam Rainsy has a very, very high chance of defending the suit. The truth will prevail.
......AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
GO to HELL ah kwack and his gang of orang outang (cpp) Communist Pro youn's Pussy.
The United States of america have condemned CHHUN Yasith and the Cambodia Freedom Figthers.
sam rainsy who says to himself democrat has never condemned clearly in public this overthrow pitifully failed.
This shows that sam rainsy is an extremist.
sam rainsy is nothing democratic.
sam rainsy has to answer of his slanderous charges in front of a court.
The political competition in a democratic frame does not allow to say anything.
A demand of the levying of sam rainsy's parliamentary immunity is imperative leads for to allow to prevent sam rainsy's candidacy in the elections of July, 2008 by waiting for the jugment of the court which will intervene after the elections of 2008.
We are the partisans in a strong way against sam rainsy.
All the members of the government have to show solidarity with this action in justice against sam rainsy .
The CPP and the government now have to harden its position towards human rights, towards democracy, and public liberties.
It is time before the politico-social situation of the country becomes uncontrolled.
Wrong, 7:02, director of prison job is to follow order from higher up. If the order were to kill someone, then that person will disappeared, but director of prison don't sentence anyone unless that person violating prison rule.
Thus, Ah Savage Killer Xam Rainxy is clearly guilty of defamation.
It's ridiculous indeed to say "let the bygones be bygones"; this is the phrase that Khiev Samphan, a foolish coward PhD said some time ago. Everyone knows that there were very few gods, for not too many individuals like us can do what gods did, just as Socrates said, " The enlightened person perceives justice, beauty, and goodness whereas most of us confront their cheap, shadowy imposter. We are bewitched by money, power, and prestige which blind us to reality. Our lives will become orderly and harmonious only if we can discover reality." We are the ordinary persons bewitched by the above materials, living within the boundary of our human laws (there are three kinds of laws: eternal laws, natural laws, and human laws); therefore, whosoever that commits crimes against humanity must be punished by the constitunional human laws. What if the law in our country is contaminated? Then let our folks who are familiar with laws fill in the missing parts. Anyway, we just cannot let the bygones be bygones, allowing the crinimals go unpunished at all.
Wrong 7:47PM, directors of prison during the KR regime were the police, the judges and the executioners. Duch was responsible for over 16,000 deaths at Tuol Sleng Prison. So, Hor Namhong must be responsible for thousands of deaths at Boeung Trabek Prison. I don't know how old you are now, but if you have lived through the KR regime you would know how powerful the prison directors were- they were the chief executioners- they ordered the killings and executions.
The events of 1989 in China on the Square Tian an Men are possible in Cambodia (attempt of reversal the Chinese communist government by the political activists of opposition helped by the western countries)?
We think that this scenario can be possible if we leave the activists of human rights, democracy of subversion continue quietly their work of subversion in the country.
I am 8:33PM
You are absolutely right, 8:50PM. That was in Tuol Sleng alone, but in most parts of the country, the Phum, Khum Yothea did not need any order from Higher Angkar. They just carried their own oders and executed the innocents by themselves.
Just give me srey, sra and bullets, and you can take this whole country. I'm for it!
Just listen to the language of the CPP animalist 1:116, it tells the whole story of CPP people.
Okay, 9:06, let the court decides whether or not prison can make decision to kill people without order from higher up.
2:49 AM
Due to all of your statements, you were not in KR time or was too young at that time.
In 1975, village leaders killed people because own revenge.Later
became Srok leaders killed anyone in different political faction,or assumed so.That was clearly prison authority definitely having absolute power to order the killing.
Reginal 5 leader named Khek Pen alias SOU, claimed that only reginal leaders who also member of parliament could decide that. But in fact, the killing was carried out in many reasons,individual hatred, factional distrust, and surely prison officers had capability to kill, not to mention about chief of the prison.
I had been there and seen that ,so don't be confused about he might or might not be involved.
Neang SA
5:50AM, totally agree with you. I was there so I knew how powerful the KR cadres were , not to mention the prison director like Hor Namhong. Down from the group's leaders and village chiefs up, they have the power to order the executions of someone they don't like or just for personal vengenge. So, Hor Namhong should be detained as Duch because he was a prison director and thousands of prisoners in his prison have all disappeared, presumably by executions under orders of Hor Namhong.
5:50, Khmer Rouge Regime do got laws just like any other regime. They will not tolerate anyone to do as they pleased, and that applied to prison directors as well, get it?
Fuck the CPP yuons, they do not represent the Khmer people, only the yuon people pretending to be Khmer. Dont mind the agents in KI, they are the most fake out of the human race. Fucking yuon filth, I hope you yuons suffer for all eternity for your wrongdoing.
All these fucken Vietcong slaves get all defensive when they know that they are wrong!
The truth is the truth and no one can twist the truth!
By the way even the leaders of the village the so called May Poom has the right to kill anybody as long the people are consider enemy of Angkar!
Okay folks, when it come to case such as this, I proposed that all parties try to settle it out of court. And the court will recommended the same when they get the complain. No court like to render a verdict in any case because they know one side will win and the other will lose and weep. The court does not like to get caught in between disputes, but they will rendered a verdict if they were forced to do so. And if it should get to that point, we all know who will get the shaft, right?
Right 10:49AM, but Hor Namhong's and the CPP's aim in the law suit against Rainsy is to push him into the corner or to get him a criminal conviction so he cannot stand in the upcoming election. Like you, I agree that out of court settlement or mediation or reconciliation is the best solution in this case.
Not really, most CPP, in general, is very open for negotiation. In this case, an acknowledgment of error, can go a long way.
But frankly, I am not sure if they accept anything from Sam Rainsy because of history of slips. However, it still worth a try anyway
I think this is a good chance to see the political change in Cambodia as it is moving. Sam Rainsy is the very courageous politician who has stood up to fight against the culture of impunity which has been widespread existing in Cambodian society.
In this case, if Hor Namhong is really wanting to sue Sam Rainsy, or he is currently complaining to the court, it would be a good sign for political change in Cambodia.
Hor Namhong might not think deeply that his decision to sue in defamation court is just the win-win strategy of Sam Rainsy.
1. Khmer Rouge's trial is ongoing, and it will be critical for Hor Namhong and Keat Chon to become one of the testimony; and they both were not only the testimony in that time, but they were also higher officers as well. Humm, the play would be so tasteful as the affiliates will be included such as Hun Sen and others.
2. Sam Rainsy as a very enduring politician has perceived very well that his prime ministership might be not vital in this 2008 election. But SRP surely gains more seats in the parliament; and he is ready to become a prime minister in the next election.
So, play this one important game with the CPP through CPP's higher leaders with this very popular international court. It would be so lucrative for Sam Rainsy to take this game to play. Especially, the culture of impunity and court injustice will be improved.
Hor Namhong is jumping into a wrong hole now, Cambodian peoples are regarding the court as their final hope...so this is a good time to play!
Bravo Cambodian peoples!!!
KY
Bullshit, the CPP is rarely wrong about anything. On the other hand, Sam Rainsy, is rarely right on anything. And he will be in deep shit if the case can't be settle out of court.
To 2:02PM
Okay! If what you said is true then it is a good time for HOR NAMHONG to start the initiation and begin the lawsuit against Sam Rainsy!
I just hope HOR NAMHONG takes the bait and it will be definitely a free publicity for Mr. Sam Rainsy! Ahhahahhahha
Wake up, 4:39, Stop dreaming. Ah Sam Rainsy ain't that smart as you read it in the news, or seen it on youtube.
I am very sorry that we all,gentleman, are not political commentaters, to form any decision or suggestion that who will win or lose on any matter.
Our expression should be on the ground of Human rights and facts. There should not be any negotiation in relation to criminal acts committed on any forms of abuse, particularly killing which part of killing field of two millions of cambodian. It can't be an error of neglect nor just follow the order.Hor Nam Hong has a lot to explain to ECCC, and he should be detained for question, in similar case of Duch,the KILLER.
Likewise, Keat Chhon has been minister for four regime and particularly he was convinced that he also was very closed to Pol Pot. Such circumstances proves that he definitely holds a lot of informations of how the changes and possibly killing took place.
To avoid more criminal acts perpetrated, criminals needed to face justice.
Justice is no longer having double standard.
Gentleman! let's see the differences between own rights and public power(not own power by any means).And please do not utilise Defamation law as a scapegoat unless it is individual matter.
Regarding public affairs, any ranking should be brought to public inquiry.
Neang SA
I dont' agree with you 2:02PM. CPP are usually wrong and Sam Rainsy are usually on the right- with the side that the common people are on, I mean. Sam Rainsy might be in deep shit as you said because Hor Namhong controls the court. History has shown that anyone who dares to challenge any CPP in court are always in 'deep shit' because the CPP controls the court. But if Namhong takes Rainsy to court, more Namhong's secrets and his involvements in the KR genocide will come out in the open. The KR Tribunal is just around the corner, dude.
Wrong, we all know a prison director job and scope is. Prison directors doesn't have time to go out in the field to search for any law-breakers in the Khmer Rouge society. That is the Khmer Rouge law enforcers and their justice department jobs. Prison director doesn't sentence any outlaw, period. Thus, he's not a criminal a suggested by Sam Rainsy.
6:41Am, if so why Duch was detained awaiting trial by KR Tribunal? Hor Namhong's and Duch's job and role during the KR were the same. If Duch was accused of mass murders, Namhong should be accused of the same crimes. Duch and Namhong were the same- criminals!
Well, Duch's case have yet to be proven. So far, I haven't seen any evidence suggested that he went beyond his duty as prison director, but then again, I don't know all the evidences that they got.
As for Namhong, can Sam Rainsy proves that he went beyond his duty as Prison Director? If not, then Sam Rainsy is guilty of defamation, or else, he'll be free as a bird.
Gentleman
Killing field yook place because of:
1- Country was in the state of chaos, not law and order appeared applicable.
2-Killing perpetrated by powerful to the powerless (from authority to victims).
3 Killing by srarvation and over work.
Obviously those who were in power inflicted upon their victims. So please avoid saying those officers or chief did not commit crimes against humanity.
Neang SA
6:18, let's be reasonable about this. If the country short of food supply and people where starving everywhere, including prison. How is it that the prison director is at fault? Can you help us to understand your charge?
Hello to all readers !
This is the right time to bring
the killers to K.R. trial !
Rainsy is right ! Go for it !
We're here in America and around the world wanted killers in court !
Thanks
U.S.A.
FOR YOUNG CAMBODIANS !
IF YOU'RE YOUNG AND DID NOT READ
THE HISTORY BOOKS OR DID NOT ASK THE STORY FROM YOUR PARENTS ,THEN YOU SHOULD ASK THEM HOW K.R. WAS ON THAT TIME!
LET'S PRAY FOR PEACE!
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