Radio Free Asia
By Chivita
7th November, 2008
Translated from Khmer by Khmerization
Related article on Preah Vihear Court Case.
The debates about the 1962 verdict of the International Court of Justice on the Preah Vihear issue and trades between the neighbouring countries among participants of a seminar organised by the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs have produced two opposing views.
Some Thai academics have told the seminar that the International Court of Justice has judged to give ownership of Preah Vihear temple to Cambodia, so Thailand must respect the court’s verdict. But some old participants of the seminar expressed their dissatisfaction with the 1962 court’s verdict.
One old man, Mr. Tepmontri Nithapayom, said that there were five complaints against Thailand to the International Court of Justice but two of the complaints, which related to ownership of the lands surrounding Preah Vihear temple, have not been judged by the court as belonging to Cambodia. So the demarcations that were done after the court case by using the old maps were illegal.
Mr. Tepmontri Nithapayom said: “But in the first and second complaints lodged with the court, the court has not judged in favour of Cambodia. These two complaints were in relation to the legality of the maps and the ownership of the lands surrounding the Preah Vihear temple. So if the court agreed with the Franco-Siamese Border Demarcation Commission who produced the 1908 maps, then the court would have agreed with the Preah Vihear maps and maps of the areas surrounding the Preah Vihear temple.”
However, other participants of the seminar, which was organised by Chulalongkorn University in Bangkok, who believe that neighbouring countries can peacefully co-exist with one another and can conduct trades smoothly with each other have reminded the seminar that the Thai people should not use Thai nationalism to overshadow peace-building and peace-maintaining with their neighbours.
Deputy Chairwoman of Chamber of Commerce of Trat province, Mrs. Duangchai Chanthorn, said that the people of the neighbouring countries want to conduct trades rather than make wars with each other.
According to Mrs. Duangchai, Thailand’s annual exports to Cambodia is worth 50 billion baht ($US1.25 billion), including border trades because the Cambodian people like the taste of the Thai products.
Both Cambodia and Thailand planned to hold talks about border disputes in Siem Reap next week.
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The 1962 Preah Vihear Case:
Cambodia’s complaints against Thailand: Cambodia asked the court:
1. "To adjudge and declare that the map of the Dangrek sector (Annex I to the Memorial of Cambodia) was drawn up and published in the name and on behalf of the Mixed Delimitation Commission set up by the Treaty of 13 February 1904, that it sets forth the decisions taken by the said Commission and that, by reason of that fact and also of the subsequent agreements and conduct of the Parties, it presents a treaty character;"
2. "To adjudge and declare that the frontier line between Cambodia and Thailand, in the disputed region in the neighborhood of the Temple of Preah Vihear, is that which is marked on the map of the Commission of Delimitation between Indo-China and Siam (Annex I to the Memorial of Cambodia);"
3. "To adjudge and declare that the Temple of Preah Vihear is situated in territory under the sovereignty of the Kingdom of Cambodia";
4. "To adjudge and declare that the Kingdom of Thailand is under an obligation to withdraw the detachments of armed forces it has stationed, since 1954, in Cambodian territory, in the ruins of the Temple of Preah Vihear";
5. "To adjudge and declare that the sculptures, stelae, fragments of monuments, sandstone model and ancient pottery which have been removed from the Temple by the Thai authorities since 1954 are to be returned to the Government of the Kingdom of Cambodia by the Government of Thailand.": ICJ Reports 1962,
The 1962 court judgement:
On 15th June, 1962 the court judged that:
1. "the Temple of Preah Vihear is situated in territory under the sovereignty of Cambodia;"[Cambodia's Submission 3]
2. "Thailand is under an obligation to withdraw any military or police forces, or other guards or keepers, stationed by her at the Temple, or in its vicinity on Cambodian territory"; [Cambodia's Submission 4]
3. "Thailand is under an obligation to restore to Cambodia any objects of the kind specified in Cambodia's fifth Submission which may, since the date of the occupation of the Temple by Thailand in 1954, have been removed from the Temple or the Temple area by the Thai authorities.": ICJ Reports 1962, p. 36, 37. [Cambodia's Submission 5].
By Chivita
7th November, 2008
Translated from Khmer by Khmerization
Related article on Preah Vihear Court Case.
The debates about the 1962 verdict of the International Court of Justice on the Preah Vihear issue and trades between the neighbouring countries among participants of a seminar organised by the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs have produced two opposing views.
Some Thai academics have told the seminar that the International Court of Justice has judged to give ownership of Preah Vihear temple to Cambodia, so Thailand must respect the court’s verdict. But some old participants of the seminar expressed their dissatisfaction with the 1962 court’s verdict.
One old man, Mr. Tepmontri Nithapayom, said that there were five complaints against Thailand to the International Court of Justice but two of the complaints, which related to ownership of the lands surrounding Preah Vihear temple, have not been judged by the court as belonging to Cambodia. So the demarcations that were done after the court case by using the old maps were illegal.
Mr. Tepmontri Nithapayom said: “But in the first and second complaints lodged with the court, the court has not judged in favour of Cambodia. These two complaints were in relation to the legality of the maps and the ownership of the lands surrounding the Preah Vihear temple. So if the court agreed with the Franco-Siamese Border Demarcation Commission who produced the 1908 maps, then the court would have agreed with the Preah Vihear maps and maps of the areas surrounding the Preah Vihear temple.”
However, other participants of the seminar, which was organised by Chulalongkorn University in Bangkok, who believe that neighbouring countries can peacefully co-exist with one another and can conduct trades smoothly with each other have reminded the seminar that the Thai people should not use Thai nationalism to overshadow peace-building and peace-maintaining with their neighbours.
Deputy Chairwoman of Chamber of Commerce of Trat province, Mrs. Duangchai Chanthorn, said that the people of the neighbouring countries want to conduct trades rather than make wars with each other.
According to Mrs. Duangchai, Thailand’s annual exports to Cambodia is worth 50 billion baht ($US1.25 billion), including border trades because the Cambodian people like the taste of the Thai products.
Both Cambodia and Thailand planned to hold talks about border disputes in Siem Reap next week.
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The 1962 Preah Vihear Case:
Cambodia’s complaints against Thailand: Cambodia asked the court:
1. "To adjudge and declare that the map of the Dangrek sector (Annex I to the Memorial of Cambodia) was drawn up and published in the name and on behalf of the Mixed Delimitation Commission set up by the Treaty of 13 February 1904, that it sets forth the decisions taken by the said Commission and that, by reason of that fact and also of the subsequent agreements and conduct of the Parties, it presents a treaty character;"
2. "To adjudge and declare that the frontier line between Cambodia and Thailand, in the disputed region in the neighborhood of the Temple of Preah Vihear, is that which is marked on the map of the Commission of Delimitation between Indo-China and Siam (Annex I to the Memorial of Cambodia);"
3. "To adjudge and declare that the Temple of Preah Vihear is situated in territory under the sovereignty of the Kingdom of Cambodia";
4. "To adjudge and declare that the Kingdom of Thailand is under an obligation to withdraw the detachments of armed forces it has stationed, since 1954, in Cambodian territory, in the ruins of the Temple of Preah Vihear";
5. "To adjudge and declare that the sculptures, stelae, fragments of monuments, sandstone model and ancient pottery which have been removed from the Temple by the Thai authorities since 1954 are to be returned to the Government of the Kingdom of Cambodia by the Government of Thailand.": ICJ Reports 1962,
The 1962 court judgement:
On 15th June, 1962 the court judged that:
1. "the Temple of Preah Vihear is situated in territory under the sovereignty of Cambodia;"[Cambodia's Submission 3]
2. "Thailand is under an obligation to withdraw any military or police forces, or other guards or keepers, stationed by her at the Temple, or in its vicinity on Cambodian territory"; [Cambodia's Submission 4]
3. "Thailand is under an obligation to restore to Cambodia any objects of the kind specified in Cambodia's fifth Submission which may, since the date of the occupation of the Temple by Thailand in 1954, have been removed from the Temple or the Temple area by the Thai authorities.": ICJ Reports 1962, p. 36, 37. [Cambodia's Submission 5].
17 comments:
No matter how hard it is the Thai people try to prove that Preah Vihear and the surrounding lands belong to them, the fact remain that they belong to Cambodia under the 1904, 1906, 1907 and 1908 treaties. The 1962 ICJ's verdict also gave the ownership of these lands to Cambodia. So stop talking nonsense, you Thai people!
Why don't Cambodia claim ALL OF THAILAND back to the Khmer people who are the owners of the land. What do you think about that Thailand. It's never your land to begin with ever since civilisation started in that area. It was Khmer land who are the rightful owners then you have the invaders such as Thailand and Vietnam who still try to get every little piece of our land as much as they can. GIVE UP THAILAND! IT'S NEVER EVER AND NEVER WILL BE YOURS SO STOP CLAIMING SHIT THAT NEVER BELONGED TO YOU! BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND CARRY ON AS GOOD CITIZENS OF THAILAND AND LET CAMBODIA MOVE ON. WHY NOT GIVE US ALL OF THAILAND BACK TO CAMBODIA AND YOU CAN KEEP THAT SMALL PATCH OF LAND THAT YOU SO CLAIM THAT IS YOURS. I THOUGHT VIETNAM WAS BAD BUT DAMN THAILAND IS JUST AS BAD, I THINK EVEN WORSE. YOU NEED TO TEACH YOUR THAI PEOPLE NOT TO CLAIM ANYTHING THAT WAS NEVER THEIRS. PASS THE MESSAGE ON TO YOUR "KOUN CHOW".
Why don't the fake Khmer in Cambodia just return Cambodia back to Real Khmer people in Thailand and done with it?
Thai robbed Khmer land, and kidnapped our people. Time for Khmer to take the land back, and reunited Khmer blood.
To 7:56pm
It is clear that alots of Khmer are living in the Thai-Khmer border, you 7:56pm said that so this mean that those land are belong to Khmer, you are admitted this, so why you Siam people still thinking the sorounding Phear Vihear temple and others belong to you? You stupid just admitted the real Khmer in Thailand, this mean we Khmer must take back our land from your Thai lady-boy kingdom robbed from us. All Khmer in Surin or others province along the border must reunited with your real blood brothers and sisters, you must fight with Thai to get your independent back, we all Khmer will crash Ah Joh Siam together to death, and take over Bangkok, than all Khmer who livning under Thai will be free.
This is golden time for all Khmer in Thai to be independent.
Get up all Khmer.
The more these Thai trollers write here on KI-Media the more they incriminate themsleves and their bloody country, Thailand!!!
Just ignore them and hope and pray that the bloody Viet's slave Hun Sen has the guts to formally file the complaints at the HAGUE, fair enough?
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My Dear Mr. Tepmontri Nithapayom, I think you trying to make anemies neighbouring countries. If you prefer that way, we are, Cambodia, Lao and Myanmar, ready to fight you and claim back all part of the stolen land from you.
Knowledge of history and conflicts btwn neighboring countries like thailand, vietnam, and laos must be past on to younger generation. We must encourage them to read on our past and current situation. We will need them to have pride and ownership of our culture and tradition, and offcourse most of all MOTHERLAND.
I heard That HOK LONGDY are dead .. is that true ?.. If it is one more criminal are eliminate from Khmer innocent life ..
10:38 PM, Ah Hun Sen and his regime in Phnom. Penh doesn't allow that. Tell me if you know of something else different. Thanks.
7:56, your history learning is fucked up by the Thai brain washing history and teaching. You are better off reading the real Thai-Cambodia histories written by international scholars (French and in English). The fact is that Khmer owns the land and the culture, tradition of this Indichina peninsula. The Thai are Johnny-come-lately from NanChoa and a robber of our Khmer land and culture.
Hok Lungdy died in a helicopter crash in Svay Rieng province. He probably went to Svay Rieng to gamble at the border. Go to phnompenhpost to read the news.
This is a very good news for Cambodians.
Top cop, 3 others killed in air crash PDF Print E-mail
Written by Kay Kimsong
Sunday, 09 November 2008
National Police Chief Hok Lundy was killed Sunday when the helicopter he was riding in crashed in Svay Rieng province’s Romdoul district, government spokesman Khieu Kanharith told the Post.
“Hok Lundy is dead.… I can’t tell exactly what happened yet. We are investigating,” he said.
Three other people also died in the accident, including high-ranking RCAF General Sok Saem and two pilots, Interior Ministry spokesman Khieu Sopheak said. He added that bad weather was thought to be the cause of the crash.
The helicopter took off around 7:20pm from Phnom Penh but lost radio contact about 15 minutes later, Khieu Sopheak said.
A close ally to Prime Minister Hun Sen, Hok Lundy, 58, rose to power in the chaotic mid-1990s to become one of Cambodia’s most imposing authority figures, taking over as head of National Police in 1994.
He had repeatedly been accused by various rights groups of brutal tactics, including murder, and was denied a visa to visit the United States in 2006 because of his alleged ties to human trafficking.
Hok Lundy was later awarded a medal by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation for his efforts in fighting terrorism, and he travelled to Washington last year for anti-terror talks with the FBI.
1:14 AM.. that's a good news LOL
I don't know.. what happen to khmers.
Are they fool, siems take 5 km2, they want
to revolt against Thais. Khmer government
make this matter really important..
The simple solution is go to the UN.
Preah Vihear temple belong to Cambodia.
Right now, look at the Yuons problem, they are
worst. They take a lots of our lands.
So nobody complaints.
Are cambodians fool???
Sad that Thai are still greedy. After taking Khmer lands to make the whole country of Thailand I thought that the Thai people would be satisfied with it. They are not. Greedy robbers!
Ah Pol Pot cheated his death, now ah HOC cheats his too??? Damn...ah HOC may you be rotten in hell for the pains and suffesrings you have caused the Khmer/Cambodian people!!!
who is this old man? is he above the court's ruling? this is the question of legality! people like this old man needs a thorough lesson on law and the respect of law, whether they like it or not! i'm sure cambodian people did not like having to lose a lot of land and territorie to thailand, vietnam and laos during the dark ages, either, but we learn to accept the treaty of 1907 as a legitimate, mutual agreement that drew up our present political, land boundary today. who is he to say that he didn't like the icj's verdict. live with it, old man or die of painful old age, soon, your thieves! god bless cambodia.
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