Wednesday, January 07, 2009

Were Cambodians liberated from the Khmer Rouge, or invaded by another power?

Were Cambodians liberated from the Khmer Rouge, or invaded by another power?
Vietnam has had a long influence on Cambodian affairs

Dark memories of Cambodia's killing spree

Tuesday, 6 January 2009
BBC News

Exactly 30 years ago, a coalition of Cambodian and Vietnamese troops forced Pol Pot and his followers from power - after a four-year reign which left as many as two million people dead.

But, as the BBC's Guy De Launey reports, Victory Day is not universally celebrated in Cambodia.

Even in 1979 it was a strange kind of victory.

There was no hero's welcome for the conquering troops. But nor was there a nervous population, fearful about the intentions of the incoming army. Because Phnom Penh was almost completely deserted.

The Khmer Rouge had forced millions of city-dwellers to march to the countryside when it took power in April 1975. In the intervening years only a small number of party workers were allowed to live in the capital, and they had fled as the Vietnamese-backed forces approached.

Vann Nath was one of the few Phnom Penh residents to witness the final hours of Pol Pot's murderous government. As an inmate of the notorious Tuol Sleng prison, however, his was not the most comfortable vantage point.
"I still don't know why I was allowed to live" - Vann Nath

"When the Vietnamese arrived there was a group of us locked in one room in Tuol Sleng. I heard some gunshots, outside on the main street," he remembers.

Soon after, with no little disbelief, he walked free. "In all there were seven of us who survived Tuol Sleng. To this day I still don't know why I was allowed to live."

Vann Nath had beaten formidable odds. Around 15,000 prisoners had passed through Tuol Sleng, but only a handful survived. Many died during the prison's systematic torture process; the rest were bludgeoned to death in the so-called killing fields on the outskirts of Phnom Penh.

Two million dead

Under the Khmer Rouge, tens of thousands shared a similar fate, executed as "enemies of the revolution", often on the flimsiest of pretexts. Others perished on the gruelling journey from the cities to rural villages, or starved to death while working as forced labourers on collective farms.

As many as two million Cambodians are thought to have died because of the policies of Pol Pot's government and the actions of Khmer Rouge members.
Skulls litter the Khmer Rouge's "killing fields"

The current government says the end of that era is a cause for celebration. Prime Minister Hun Sen was among the Cambodian troops who joined Vietnamese forces to oust the Khmer Rouge.

In the run-up to the anniversary, the governing Cambodian People's Party has called 7 January a "historical day" and a "new birthday" for the country.

The CPP is planning to mark the 30th anniversary in grand style. To ensure maximum attendance at a rally in Phnom Penh's Olympic Stadium, thousands of children from nearby schools will each receive cash for food and drink, as well as T-shirts and caps in CPP colours.

'Invasion'

The party political nature of the celebrations is an indication that not all Cambodians acknowledge 7 January as a day of liberation. Opposition leaders sometimes refer to it as a Vietnamese invasion.

Pen Sovann feels that more deeply than most. He was one of the founders of the anti-Khmer Rouge front, and became prime minister in 1981 before a spectacular fall from grace.

Disagreements with the government's Vietnamese sponsors earned him first the sack, then a 10-year spell in a Hanoi prison.

"It was liberation at first. They couldn't stand and watch their neighbour's house burn, so they provided the water to help put out the fire," he says now.

"But I wasn't happy that they were trying to exert their influence over Cambodia. They were getting stronger and stronger, and even now they have more influence than the current Cambodian leaders."

Others, however, are happy to embrace 7 January as a day of liberation from the Khmer Rouge, whatever they feel about the decade-long presence of Vietnamese troops in Cambodia and the on-going close relations between the two countries.

It can hardly compare to the years of madness which had seen Khmer turn against Khmer.

Memory

For many, more than anything else, the anniversary provides an opportunity to keep alive the memory of what happened in the Pol Pot era.
"They ask me, 'Why, why why?' and I tell them I don't know why they did this - to our family, to Cambodian people" - Pum Chantinie

Pum Chantinie is now the secretary general of the Cambodian Red Cross. Along with the surviving members of her family, she walked hundreds of kilometres from the countryside back to Phnom Penh in January 1979, pushing a hand-made cart - only to discover their old house wrecked and surrounded by barbed wire.

"Our family gathers and we tell stories about our lives during the Khmer Rouge regime to our young generation," she says. "They ask me, 'Why, why why?' and I tell them I don't know why they did this - to our family, to Cambodian people."

Most Cambodians are too young to remember the Pol Pot era, or even the years of civil war which followed. But the anniversary should be followed, within months, by another reminder of what happened. The first trial at the Khmer Rouge Tribunal may start as early as March.

In the dock, charged with crimes against humanity, will be Vann Nath's former jailer, the man best known as Comrade Duch. All the indications are that he is willing to reveal what he knows about how the Khmer Rouge leadership made the decisions which led to so many deaths.

That may not be a cause for celebration. But it may at least answer some of the questions that people like Pum Chantinie have struggled with for so many years.

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

MOther fuc ker may lightning strike those evil!!!!

Anonymous said...

Viet victory of 7 jan 79 is an after step of viet expansionist and genocidal policy in Cambodia follow its 17 April 75 victory as the K5 that replace the killing field and the rest. Simple killing political tactic and strategy

Anonymous said...

ឧក្រឹដ្ឋកម្ម ស្នាដៃអាខ្វាក់ នៅប្រទេសខ្មែរ
crimes of ah kvak psychopath Hun Sen in Cambodia

Anonymous said...

"ថ្ងៃ ៧ មករា ១៩៧៩ ជាថ្ងៃបរាជ័យ នៃរបបប៉ុល ពល និងជាថ្ងៃដែលកូនខ្មែរចេញពី របបកុំមុយនិស្ត ផ្តាច់ការមួយ (ប៉ុល ពត) ចូលទៅ របបកុំមុយនិស្តផ្តាច់ការ (យួនកាន់កាប់) មួយទៀត។ កូនខ្មែររស់ទ្រាំទ្រវេទនា ជាពិសេសក្រោមការកាន់កាប់ របស់យួនរហូតដល់ ថ្ងៃ ២៣ តុលា ១៩៩១ (សន្ធិសញ្ញាក្រុងប៉ារីស) ទើបបានស្គាល់ពន្លឺសេរីភាពខ្លះៗ។
ប៉ុន្តែ ថ្ងៃដែលកូនខ្មែរពិតជាបានស្គាល់សេរីភាពដំបូង គឺ ថ្ងៃ ២៣ ដល់ ២៨ ឧសភា ១៩៩៣ (ថ្ងៃបោះឆ្នោត រើសតំណាងរាស្រ្តលើកដំបូង ទូទាំងប្រទេសខ្មែរ រៀបចំឡើងដោយអង្គការ UNTAC តំណាងអង្គការសហប្រជាជាតិ) ហើយរាជាណាចក្រទី ២ ក៏បានចាប់បដិសន្ធិឡើង នៅឆ្នាំ ១៩៩៣ ដែរ"

នោះជាឃ្លាដែល កូនខ្មែរគ្រប់ជំនាន់ ត្រូវតែចងចាំជានិច្ច គ្មានភ្លេចមួយវិនាទី ព្រោះថ្ងៃ ៧ មករា ១៩៧៩ ជានិមិត្តរូប នៃលំហូរពួកយួន ចូលតាំងទី នៅប្រទេសខ្មែរ ក្នុងគោលដៅលេប យកប្រទេសខ្មែរ ដោយសន្តិវិធី ក្នុងអនាគតមិនយូរ, ក៏ជាថ្ងៃរំលឹកឡើងវិញ អំពើក្បត់ជាតិ របស់អាសំដាចម៍ក្បត់ជាតិ អគ្គមហាសេវាដៃចោរហ៊ុន សែនខូចសរសៃប្រសាទ (បើតាមសំដីរបស់ប៉ែន សុវណ្ណ, អតីតចៅហ្វាយរបស់ហ៊ុន សែន) កាត់ដីអោយយួន នៅឆ្នាំ ១៩៨០, ១៩៨៥, ១៩៩០, ២០០៥។

ឆ្នាំថ្មី ២០០៩, ជូនពរអាសំដាចម៍ហ៊ុន សែនងាប់តៃហោង ដោយរន្ទះបាញ់ដូចអាយួនហុក ឡងឌី ទៅហោង!!!

Anonymous said...

ah skea Yuon kiss ah skea HUN

Anonymous said...

I would called it LIBERATION, "if and only if" youn came to liberate AND now left. But they never left, they are still in cambodia and STILL coming by the millions. They are illegaly in cambodia.


Plus the words out of hun sen own mouth that atleast 10,000 youn agent are in disquised are civilians.

Regardless what happen on this date. Its not liberation! Let celebrate the " 1991 paris peace accord" and demand that UN keep enforcing this the accord and force youn out for good.

Mahamud Ghandi peacefully marched until the british empire left india. All khmer can do the same for true independence.

Anonymous said...

The Vietcong's nosy- aggresive and controlling attitude combining with their viet federation shit are what getting the Khmer rouge sick in the stomuch. The KR knew of the viet sickest plan. They just could not escape it. Beside, they were devil themself. Cambodian population were mixed races. Not all Cambodian are pure Khmer. Many were Cambodian from the chinese's descent. Some were Cham and some were vietnamese. Some were even mixed with Thai Laos Burme and European. Althought they were not a large percentage. Thru marriages and social events, people knew each other. They related to each other easily, because the country is small. The Cambodian population is also small. KR thought that by focusing on just the Pure Cambodian citizen will get them stronger and therefore they could do anything. Wrong. Men power are also very very important. Among 7 millions population of Cambodian, may be and only about half of it were pure pure khmers race. What about the one that they have already turtured and slaughtered by mistake when they just took power in April of 1975? and a year or two after that? Not everyone forgot the year of 1977. It was the most evil year of them all. The KR launched their greatest campaigne of sellecting a just pure Cambodian to stand for their group or identity as Khmer Rouge. Many Cambodian in general have suffered tremenduously of losing their loved one. They got seperated or else got killed and staving to death. Nearly half of them probably were gone and done with. Also not all of the sellecting one would be able to carry gun and fight the vietcong. They said so, but they lied to themself with the fact that don't have. There are the sick and the weak and the children that could not do anything, but staying at home making lunch and just care for each other. They missed their caculation big time. That what it was. That's why they lost their war against the vietnamese's ambition of taking over Cambodia or expand their territory. It's just too bad. Now they just have to go to court and explain their trouble attitude and the one that handed over Cambodian to Vietnam on a silver plate should also be ashame of themself until the day they die.

Anonymous said...

Anyone can say that Hun sen is dumb and a jackass. They can also say, he just want an easy road. So that he can get fat and happy. Keep going! That's why Mr. Sam Rainsey and his party are such a trouble maker to the CCP and you bet there will be no peace for a dumb pig forever as long as they are alive :)

Anonymous said...

ម្នាលហ៊ុនសំណែន (បទកាកគតិ)
ម្នាលហ៊ុនសែនអើយ ប៉ុន្មានឆ្នាំហើយ អ្នកកាន់អំណាច
មិនបានជួយអ្វី ខ្លួនកាន់តែកាច ខ្លាំងជាងបីសាច
ភ្នំវល្លិទៅទៀត។
ម្នាលកាន់តែចាស់ គួររកអ្នកផ្លាស់ ហើយប្រាសខំឆ្លៀត
រកធម៌រកអាថ៌ បំភ្លេចវិវាទ សាងខ្លួនម្តងទៀត
ពុំទាន់យឺតឡើយ ។
ខំសាងកុសល បំបាត់កង្វល់ ទើបចិត្តបានស្បើយ
ខំធ្វើបុណ្យទាន ជាស្ពានរកត្រើយ ជួបសុខរៀងអើយ
នៅជាតិខាងមុខ ។
មុននេះសាងបាប សាងច្រើនសន្ធាប់ ប្រមូលវេចទុក
ត្រូវយកសងគេ នៅពេលខាងមុខ ទើបរួចផុតទុក្ខ
ជួបសុខជាក្រោយ ។
អាយុសង្ខៃ មិនអាចតថ្លៃ ម្នាលកុំបណ្តោយ
ពេលកន្លងផុត ពិបាកដង្ហោយ ឲ្យវិលមកក្រោយ
ក្នុងចិត្តប្រេះឆា ។
ស្តាយបាបបានធ្វើ សីលមិនអើពើ ពឹងលើវាសនា
ខ្លួនចាស់ទ្រុតទ្រោម រូបឆោមជរា មច្ចុរាជទាមទារ
រាំងរាមិនបាន ។
ពេលនោះទើបភ្ញាក់ រកទីពុំនាក់ ដូចហាក់ស្រេកឃ្លាន
យល់ដឹងខុសត្រូវ ជម្រៅសីលទាន យកទៅមិនបាន
ប្រឹងរកឲ្យគេ ។
រកសុទ្ធផ្លូវខុស លួចជាតិស្រស់ៗ គ្មានសោះទ្រព្យកេរ្តិ៍
ប្លន់ទាំងអំណាច កំទេចអ្នកស្នេហ៍ បាបរិតឡើងទ្វេ
សងពុំរួចឡើយ ។
២៥មករា ២០០០

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. 6:55AM,

Correction to make: Not this: Mahamud Ghandi, but instead it's MAHATMA GHANDI. You get that pal!

I heard that there will be justice later or sooner. It just a matter of time... There will ONE, but ONLY ONE person can bring JUSTICE to Cambodia and she will bring all those stupid and evil so-called "highly corrupted officials" (that include: ah kwah & dump hun sen and its shits eaten dogs-friends) to the purgatory. And yes indeed it will be a young and beautiful woman as we all know. She is the youngest scholar of all Eastern Asian Countries. And her name is ATTILA DE HUNS.

Anonymous said...

i hope someone is doing a survey about this controversial issue by asking how most khmer people, both overseas and in cambodia, think about this holiday. to help ease this problem, surveying by asking khmer people's views on this topic is more important than letting the gov't handle this hot issue. see what most khmer people have to say about this "liberation" or "invasion" argument, then perhaps, take a vote on it either to keep it or get rid of it altogether. but do ask to see how the majority khmer people, both overseas and inside cambodia, think about it.

Anonymous said...

Its good idea 10:25AM,but we have to make a mass peaceful march to ask vietnam get out from Cambodia because these viet that became Khmer by political purpose will vote for their cpp government,beside that the older Cambodian people who come across and know about what happened for our country become less and less.

Anonymous said...

នេះហើយគី​ជាកេរមរដកនីងជា​សា្នដែយួនបន្សល់ទុក
អោយខែ្មរគ្រប់រូបតាំងពីអតីតកាល បច្ចុបន្ន​នីងក្នុងពេលអនាគត​តាមរយះហុំន​ សែន​និងអ្នកក្បត់
ជាតិដ៏ទែទៀត​ គីធើ្វយ៉ាងណាអោយខែ្មរទាស់ទែងគ្នា
ឈ្លោះគ្នា ហើយយួនចាំដល់ពេលច្រូតស្រូវ។
ថែ្ង​៧​មករា​១៩៧៩ គីជាថែ្ងយួនមានគំម្រោងធើ្វ
អោយប្រទេសខែ្មរបែ្រទៅជាយួនក្នុងពេលខាងមុខដោយ
មិនដឹងខ្លួន ដូច្នេះខែ្មរត្រូវតែប្រញាប់កំរើកឡើង
ទាំងក្នុងទាំងក្រៅ​ដើម្បីកុំអោយបាត់បង់ទឹកដឹ ដោយកុំប្រកាន់និនា្នកាណាឡើយ​ ព្រោះយួនគេ
មិនចង់អោយយើងបានសុខរវាងខែ្មរនិងខែ្មរទេ។
​​​​​​​​ សូមអរគុណ... ភំ្នពេញ

Anonymous said...

Happy Freedom day for everyone!

Thanks to Vietnam!

Thanks to PM Hun Sen!

Anonymous said...

May Ah Ho Chiminh mother fucker goat face take those fucking corruptors with him!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Hanoi did give birth to the Khmer Rouge Pol Pot regime end brainwashed their head to kill Khmer people for the Viets, so these latter created a reason to INVADE ( and made khmer to be confuse as thier savors from the KR)Cambodia.

The 7th January celebration is to recognize the Viet Invasion of Cambodia to fool up the world opinion.

Sihanouk is the main Actor (and traitor )in Khmer Killing Fields.

He should be put for Trial by ECCC.



The author of Norna Chea Kheatakors REas Khmers ?