Is anybody know who is “Khom”? Who are they? and Where do they live? Can anybody tell me? Sometimes ago I felt really embarrassed that I did not know that who is “KHOM” and what they are. But don’t you wanna know why I felt like that? and what it has to do with me personally? Before I answer to that question above, here below are what is in Thailand history refer to as Khom
These couple pieces of papers are quoted from Thai history books, even though I have not yet found the first hand source, which show what “KHORM” alphabets are, which the Siamese refer to. The point is in Thai history. They believe that their scripts were derived from the Khom nation, and the worst is that the Thais do not believe that a “KHOM” is a Khmer.
These couple pieces of papers are quoted from Thai history books, even though I have not yet found the first hand source, which show what “KHORM” alphabets are, which the Siamese refer to. The point is in Thai history. They believe that their scripts were derived from the Khom nation, and the worst is that the Thais do not believe that a “KHOM” is a Khmer.
Let's go back to my question above. The reason I personally felt embarrassed because I am a Cambodian or a Khmer, and I do not know that there is such as word “Khom” in Khmer history, especially a Khom is a word which the Thais refer to the Khmer people in the ancient time.
There is nothing wrong with the ideas above, since in this 21st century most of the country promote human rights and freedom of expression is just one of those rights. However, given false information is what most of us think as completely unacceptable. Thai government has all the right to think and to say as well as the Thai citizens but as long as it is not affecting the other nation or people. The ideas that Thai citizens believe that Khom is not Khmer, the ancient Khmer, is what we Cambodians can not tolerate since it affects the Cambodian history, nationality, origin, and reputation.
A Thai law professor named Sompong Sucharitkul who spoke with ABC Radio Australia on Monday, August 04, 2008 has claimed that a Khom is not a Khmer. He said: "The current generation of Kampucheans are not the same as the Khom, the old Khmer, that may have been successor in title but it’s long far removed from their ancestry.” It seems like Thailand has long been rewriting Cambodian history for their Thai generations, and this kind of belief seemed to be deep rooted in the minds of every single Thai citizen and children who have been taught the wrong history about their neighbors history as what the Thai law professor above has himself been taught.
To Cambodians, such Thai belief that has been mentioned above can be considered as deprivation of Khmer history and Khmer citizens of their true history as a whole. This kind of statement and belief can really provide a misinformation about Cambodia and Cambodians to the world community, especially the statement above can be translatable that Cambodia is a liar nation since it has claimed that it is a nation of the Khom or the Khmer.
In reality, the Khmers have not yet been exterminated and there will be only one Khmer race in the world history. Even though Khmer is no longer a big and powerful race in the region, which they once were, they know that they have a very long history. The Khmer people know that after they have gone through many ups and downs of a turbulent history, there is a boat which is still floating and there is no second boat ever existed.
It maybe difficult for foreigners to understand the Thai mentality in regard to the Khmer history, but it can be well understood by the Khmers. It seems like there are some cultural, political, and historical reasons that got involved in this long Thai conspiracy to twist the true Khmer history. Even though Thailand is a stronger nation compared to Cambodia nowadays, but Thailand was only formed as a vassal state under the Khmer Empire period and later on expanded itself stronger and became a powerful nation after the Khmer golden age had vanished. After the fall of Angkor (1431), the Siamese rulers started to absorb and simplify every Khmer civilization and culture and used it as their own such as language, scripts and culture. However the Siamese do not want anything to be attached with the Khmer even though in reality they are, they have used every mean to disregard the Khmer civilization and claim it as theirs. All of these reasons without understanding the Siamese and Khmer history, foreigners will never understand the real action of the Siamese who now have been referred to as Thais.
There is proverb which says “history is written by the victors”. There is nothing wrong with this proverb, but it is so wrong and is an unethical mistake that one nation can write another nation’s history. To Cambodians, by rewriting the Khmer history and creating a word “KHOM” instead of Khmer to put in their history's education system to educate their children, the Thais have shown their long term political interests to blind the world of their own dirty actions and ignorance of their true origin, especially their actions, in trying to undermine the Khmer history and origin.
By Rocky
There is nothing wrong with the ideas above, since in this 21st century most of the country promote human rights and freedom of expression is just one of those rights. However, given false information is what most of us think as completely unacceptable. Thai government has all the right to think and to say as well as the Thai citizens but as long as it is not affecting the other nation or people. The ideas that Thai citizens believe that Khom is not Khmer, the ancient Khmer, is what we Cambodians can not tolerate since it affects the Cambodian history, nationality, origin, and reputation.
A Thai law professor named Sompong Sucharitkul who spoke with ABC Radio Australia on Monday, August 04, 2008 has claimed that a Khom is not a Khmer. He said: "The current generation of Kampucheans are not the same as the Khom, the old Khmer, that may have been successor in title but it’s long far removed from their ancestry.” It seems like Thailand has long been rewriting Cambodian history for their Thai generations, and this kind of belief seemed to be deep rooted in the minds of every single Thai citizen and children who have been taught the wrong history about their neighbors history as what the Thai law professor above has himself been taught.
To Cambodians, such Thai belief that has been mentioned above can be considered as deprivation of Khmer history and Khmer citizens of their true history as a whole. This kind of statement and belief can really provide a misinformation about Cambodia and Cambodians to the world community, especially the statement above can be translatable that Cambodia is a liar nation since it has claimed that it is a nation of the Khom or the Khmer.
In reality, the Khmers have not yet been exterminated and there will be only one Khmer race in the world history. Even though Khmer is no longer a big and powerful race in the region, which they once were, they know that they have a very long history. The Khmer people know that after they have gone through many ups and downs of a turbulent history, there is a boat which is still floating and there is no second boat ever existed.
It maybe difficult for foreigners to understand the Thai mentality in regard to the Khmer history, but it can be well understood by the Khmers. It seems like there are some cultural, political, and historical reasons that got involved in this long Thai conspiracy to twist the true Khmer history. Even though Thailand is a stronger nation compared to Cambodia nowadays, but Thailand was only formed as a vassal state under the Khmer Empire period and later on expanded itself stronger and became a powerful nation after the Khmer golden age had vanished. After the fall of Angkor (1431), the Siamese rulers started to absorb and simplify every Khmer civilization and culture and used it as their own such as language, scripts and culture. However the Siamese do not want anything to be attached with the Khmer even though in reality they are, they have used every mean to disregard the Khmer civilization and claim it as theirs. All of these reasons without understanding the Siamese and Khmer history, foreigners will never understand the real action of the Siamese who now have been referred to as Thais.
There is proverb which says “history is written by the victors”. There is nothing wrong with this proverb, but it is so wrong and is an unethical mistake that one nation can write another nation’s history. To Cambodians, by rewriting the Khmer history and creating a word “KHOM” instead of Khmer to put in their history's education system to educate their children, the Thais have shown their long term political interests to blind the world of their own dirty actions and ignorance of their true origin, especially their actions, in trying to undermine the Khmer history and origin.
By Rocky
83 comments:
Let's beware about history written by person (historian?)for one country. It could be biased in one way or another. It should be compared to what is written by another and counter-checked by other sources as well. What is the truth?
There no quick answer.
I agree with 8:13PM. In situations as is today, if a historian is bought off, history is biased.
Thanks for such a valuable writing. You really hit the siamese head.
Let Ah Siam (Thailand) believe the history to himself. We, Cambodian know that Thai had been twisted and taught history lie to their generation a long time. My wife is Thai she says in Thailand, Thai has been taught Thai history wrong, but she still has to believe what she seen, especialy lot of Khmer templs in Thailand.
Angkorian Krama MAn
Khmer KHOM was the origenal Khmer, prior to Khmer Angkor.
Not all Thais are that stupid. At least, this Thai researcher understand the truth:
http://kyotoreview.cseas.kyoto-u.ac.jp/issue/issue2/article_242_p.html
Some Thais people believe in Tatoot magics and all the writting in tatoot in Thailand right now are in Khmer scripts... even in Laos.
Khom maybe Krom, but Siam cannot pronouse "Krom"- become "khom" .
"Khom" could be "Khor" (2nd Khmer alphabet) + "Mo" (KHOR, MO)
Short of word "Khmer-Mon".
I think.....
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Jut looking into Thai money the are numbers are Khmers' numbers
What you expect fromone who call Prea Vihear, Pra Vihan!
Both Mr. Ly Theam Teng and Mr. Iev Koeus, who wrote books about Khmer Language separately, did not mention about "Khorm". They mentioned about Morm-Khmer". Mr Ly Theam Teng indicated that Khmer language existed long before Khmer consonants mixed with Indian's existed in the reign of King Kao Dihn, around the 2nd century AD.
correction=Morn-Khmer
If you ever want to learn Thai language, it's very easy because it original came from Khmer language. I can speak Thai, now I'm learnig how to read it. Again, Thai alphabits and word by word is Khmer. My wife is Thai she didn't have to teach me Thai, I can learn it mysefl easly. Let's make it short, Thai looted Khmer cultures and antiques, twisted history and language. My Thai's wife even she said that.
Ankg Krama Man
I am the person that gives the benefit of a doubt so I am giving one to Thai as well. If We Khmer want to set the records straight, we need to do more than just bitching among ourselves how we are right and Thai are wrong. Someone needs to make something like a documentary to address who the fuck these people that the Thai refer to as Khom are. I'm curious actually. If the Thai are right, then be it and I might not like it so much but I shall accept the truth. If we're right, we need to assert that notion to the Thai and the world once and for all.
Someone needs to make a documentary investigating this issue so we can set the records straight on whose denial it is, Khmer or Thai. Make the doc and take it to film festivals around the world. Get attention from it and we shall prevail if we're really the truth. If we're not, then be it and admit Thai is right.
Damn it!
If you were to believe in History written by the Thais then you may as well believe that Angkor Wat or Preah Vihear belongs to them.
Should we even care what these Thai people say? They say these things because they are confused and troubled by their identity crisis. There is another issue at play here, Thai know ancient temple in Thailand are Khmer, but they can't face the reality of why such a powerful Khmer culture become so embarrassingly minuscule and pathetic.
Khmer is a culture that exist today only with begging and aids from others, including begging from Thailand. It has made no contribution to the 21th century in either culture, technology or the sciences and economy.
given this current state of Khmer brokenness, anyone would want to distant themselves away from Khmer. Even some Khmer are ashamed to be Khmer. Ask the young Khmer Thai along the border and you see this viewpoint clearly.
My point is, until we can prove ourselves, live up to our potential and best our ancestors, no one will respect us. And seeing the greatness of Angkor compare to the pathetic nationhood of Cambodia today, it's not a wonder why some people would refuse to see that Khmer of Angkor are the same Khmer of Kampuchea.
Just as with Bokator and Pradal Serey, Khmer must reclaim them by reviving the art, bring public awareness by demonstrating our skills and documenting our arts.
Once people began to realize how great and complete Bokator is they begin to see Muay Thai and Muay Boran for what it is, just an offshoot that refuses to acknowledge it's roots. But in the mean time, you don't have to go out of your way arguing with anybody.
Want people to recognize you? You have to show them who you are. Show them what you can do. And importantly, show them that you're not as pathetic as they say you are.
Bokator is on the rise now because of Lok Kru Meas and Kim Sean. Today you see a bunch of youtube video and even training video describing all the Maes. One day you'll see training camp and people flock to Cambodia instead of Thailand to train.
But, did that rise out of people just arguing? It helped to have people like Bird Kham to say he had done this art.
The point is, demonstrate. We already know who we are, and we demonstrate and live our own culture to the world, other people as well will see us for who we are.
And there is nothing the confused Thai people can do about that.
why do we need to rewrite the history of our nation to suit the word KHOM that siam uses, for us, history is history, no one can change it, because we have so many inscription in stone in the books that were translated, the siam can say what they are, what we need to do is to teach our young generation about our true history..... the world know this,
Folks,
Khom mean WARRIORS =neak chombaing.That's why we are still fighting until now.It's in our blood.We will go at each other throat until we have about 2 or 3 left to fit the palm canoe(touk thnot).
Siam mean the person who took care of all the shovels .These race was used by the khom people to cultivate the land for agriculture and also to help take care the temples.
Khom is Khmer!
They still existed throughout Southeast Asia. They scatter all of these countries: Burma, Laos, Thailand and Cambodia and the Khmer Krom.
As you may know, Thailand always twisted or manipulated the history for their own side.
Khom is Khmer!!!
Since Cambodia is wrecked by war, Thailand has been writing or taking everything from Khmer as their own.
Tradition
Culture
Kick boxing
Food (Pad Thai) there is no such thing Pad Thai. Khmer was the original making this fried noodle.
Great job! Thai is, Thai that!
I hate land of denial not smile.
Angkorian Krama Man we would loved to hear from your ex-wife Thai history. Can you give us more details like you had given to us politic this politic that. Let's start with Siam to Thailand. WHY?
Note: Toughest Khmer guy on KInews.
Agree 100% with 10:27pm, we can not get upset of what other said about us if we are sure of who we are. For the simple fact that Siem twisted their history alone it should already proven that they are the one that is living in the dark. It is sad that Siem never been in war, but their education standard is still way behind compare to world.
well, this subject was argued with a friend of mine years ago who had lived and studied for a short time in Thailand. They did not understand that the word "khorm" is a corruption of "Khmer". Why do you need to argue about it? if they say "khorm" is not khmer, let them be. Khorm could be latin, or chinese. let them teach their children to be ignorance.
1206, that is the problem...perception will eventually developed into reality if no one there to negate it. We have their scholars describing our roots and origin on a world wide state, where are our scholars to debate it?
correction, I mean worldwide "stage" not state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khom_script
Look at the bottom references: It refer to Khmer Mon script.
i wouldn't be surprised if the old siem's word for khmer was "khom" or what have you. i said this because in world history, there are many many nationalities and race of people and each has their own names for others. for example, take cambodia for example, we called thailand as siem, vietnam as youn, china as chin, france caucasion as barang in general, laos as liev, burma as kola or phumea, india as kloeng, etc, etc... it just goes to show that "khom" was probably what the siem people of those days called khmer. so, i wouldn't be surprised that khom is equivalent to khmer. that said, siem can call it whatever they want, khmer or khom will always be khmer in cambodia. by the way, khmer people don't call ourselves "khom", though. well, that's typical of siem thieves, anyway! why are we surprised by them!
i think it's probably came from the fact that siem language is tonal. so this, certain letters became silent and drop off eventually. it probably came from the fact that they can't pronounce "khmer", thus became "khom" or whatever in their own tongue. take another example, the old chinese can't pronounce khmer's word for nokor phnom, thus they called it "funan". also, look at the other example of how foreigner can't pronounce khmer ancient words like that khmer ancient seaport archeological site in the mekong delta was khmer name called "o'keo" or literally mean ancient canal or ancient seaport in old khmer language became "oc eo" or whatever the youn and barang administrators of those days can't pronounce or probably twisted khmer properly writing and pronounciation into something similar but strange looking to khmer people. see what i mean. they are try to twist khmer words into something new! same with old siem who called khmer "khom" or whatever! khmer will always be khmer from then to eternity! god bless cambodia and all khmer people.
I think the word "khom" is Vietnamese, since Vietnam ruled khmer during 17-18 century.
Khom is short for Khmer Krom, but since Siem can not pronounce Krom it turned into Khom.
Actually KHOM is KHARM= Mouk khmorch or agonizing for air before passing out.Thai used that word just to aggravate us.
Don't wastes time with thai or youn for they are crooks. Crooks alway makes claims. Someone with true and valuabel character is humble and don't make claims but their actions verifies the fact and truth.
Thai claims this and that. The youn don't claims for anything but steals and kills in the dark or behind the words " frienship, or Liberation ". And out their word of friendship and liberation are many death, suffering, and curruptions, and land lost of khmer people.
To the poster,
The 1st one is new Khmer, the 2nd and 3rd are ancient khmer alphabets or KHOM alphabets used to teach khmer kids in all pagodas throughout Cambodia, before and during French protectorate as French colonial did not build schools for Khmer kids.
KHOM is ancient Khmer, the Khor =Khmer, and the Mor = Mon (today separated into two, in Burma and in Thailand).
During the Khmer Empire period, MON ran the Administration and Khmer ran the armies.
During a HUNDRED years of religious war, Hinduism against Buddhism, after Jayavarman VII death, Thai took this opportunity to liberate themselves from khom yoke of Angkor, and proclaimed independence at Sokhotei in 1236 during the reign of Indravarman II, son of Jayavarman VII.
In 1252 Thai chased Khom troops from Lop Buri. Khmer king did send Decho Dam Din to put down Thai rebellion, but fell into Thai trap, and got killed. Then Thai wrote a FAKE story of Decho Dam Din, as turning into stone by Ponhea Rong.
In 1308, some article said 1338, Trasak grower name Ta Chey, a Por Sa'och, revolted, and succeeded to assassinated king of Angkor, and wrote a FAKE story of Ta Trasak Pha'em, as a descendants from king of Angkor. This new dynasty did not built any stone temple anymore but proclaimed themselves as Pouch Neak Mean Bon.
Because of that 100 years of religious War, khmers killing each other, we were and are declining until today.
Once I argued with Thai friend about who is KHORM.
That Thai lady talked about KHOM that was civilized and powerful, she did not referred to Khmer, eg. Khmer alphabet and numerals, Thai calls KHOM alphabet and numerals,..
I asked her like Mr. Rcky did.
If KHOM is one nation, where do they live nowadays? KHOM should have their descenders, not die all.
At last she confessed that "I have asked my teacher like you, and he said KHOM is Khmer"
3:09 AM adds,
In Incantation domains, it must write in KHOM alphabets in the formulae of Yontra and Kaktha, thus it would contain power of protection. This belief is still in practice in Thailand and Lao, and some old khmer generation.
This is what my ancestry past on about "KHOM" or "KUMT" the EGYPTIAN MENTION ABOUT THE KHMER CIVILIZATION. DURING THE 14TH AND 15TH CENTURY THAI DEVELOPMENT OF SUKOTHAI. WERE ACTUAL THAI/KHMER WHO COMBINE BOTH LANGUAGE TO CREATE THAI AFTER THE DEFEAT OF ANGKOR LANDS AND CITY. THEY LEARN KHMER LANGUAGE AND LIKE MONGOLS LEARN HOW TO WRITE IN FROM "CHINA". IN REALITY KHOM IS A REFERENCE TO KUMT OR KHMER AS TO EGYPTIAN TIMES. THAI STILL IN DENIAL. THATS WHY EVERYONE SHOULD KNOWS THE MEANING OF BUILDING PREAR VIHEAR? PREAR VIHEAR WAS BUILT TO POINT TO THE DIRECTION OF ANGKOR WAT THE GREAT CITY. IF YOU GET PREAR VIHEAR YOU GET ANGKOR WAT. SO THATS KHMER PEOPLE LOST HISTORY. THE LEARNING OF DIVINE VIRTUE FROM PREAR VIHEAR ALTAR WAS MISSING UNTIL TODAY. WHERE KINGS CAN LEARN MAGIC AND TEACHINGS TO ADVANCE THERE BLESSING ON ANGKOR WAT. BELIEVE OR NOT?
Let me make this short, my wife is Thai she even said that Thai history is wrong. All teachers in Thailand have been teaching to the next generation wrong history then it was. We, Khmer believe that.
Ank Krama Man
"khom" is not khmer, Khom could be laos, chinese, cham or Vietnamese according to worlds' history.
There is no khmer who have enough knowledge or capacity to know their own history, but, they learnt from other country and took as their history since the fall of angkor era.
Khom is Khom and Khmen is Khmer. You people just a bunch of idiot don't know your real history. You need to stop bragging about your Empired which never exist. Once you are inferior, you will always be inferior; therefore, stop trying to change your history. You people only kind in the world that kill your own, 1.7 and more, what a shame. God bless Thai Kingdom.
Khom is Khmer script 100%.
Khom script is more highlight than
hand writer script.
Khom script is the Capital letter of Khmer script,Ar-sar Phum-Khmer.
And also we use Khom script to write
on the Yantra.Khom is Khmer Magic scripts.
Khom is the Unique of Khmer language.
KHOM = Khmer-Mon that were the Language & cuture,once they've been ruled the big part of the South East Asia,Dendey Sovannaphum.
Dendey Khmer Pres-Tha Sovannaphum.
Jeyo! Jeyo! Jeyo !
KHOM
TO:5:25AM TO MUCH WEED MAN....
What a loser, dont even know your history. Keep mention about Khmer rouge and etc. MY FAMILY FOUGHT HARD TO SURVIVE THIS 200 YEARS AT LEAST LEFT BEHIND THESE HISTORY! LOVE THAI, be WITH THAI... and FAT BOY, SO STOP TELLING PEOPLE WHAT IS REAL. MY HISTORY IS LEGAL:
THIS IS REAL OR NOT?
http://www.geocities.com/tiylaya/Worlds_Away/WA_Khultan.html
JUST A THEORY GAY MAN> SO STOP YOUR GOD BLESSING STUFF! EGG HEAD!
SO DUMB EVEN I LAUGH LOL :-O......
5:52 PM
Ah Siam ah pleur!
Iay Siam mon ba!
Note: Thai slang mung-you, yours mon-them,they,their gu-I,me,my, mine. (angry word used this term)
Mung yai gorn porg gu na vei?
Don't mess with us?
Mung yak dai alai yeek?
Do else do you what?
Kyom srolangh srok Khmer!
Oohm! I meant What else do you want? Mung yak dai alai yeek?
Don't listen to any of those Thai-centric "professors" or "scholars". What they are doing is simply dealing with their own low self-esteem and inferiority complex. At their rate, they are only producing racism, delusional thinking and cheap fabricated history. The Thai owe their culture, customs, alphabet and even their own "divine" monarchs to the Cambodians. Without the Cambodians to culture them, the Thais would have simply been nothing but a bunch of Hmong-like people scattered throughout the mountains of mainland Southeast Asia.
The Thais are just as bad as the Nazis and extremist Afro-centrics in their rewriting of history. good luck ah siem losers.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND ..KHMER WAS FIRST CALLED KHOM...IF YOU LOOK AT THE KHMER WRITING OF KHOM IT EVOLVES OVER TIME TO THE NAME OF KHMER...KHOM->KHOMAK->KHEMERAK-> KHEMERA->KHMER
ខមពុជាគឺមកពីពាក្យកមពុជា=កម្ពុជា។
សៀមមិនអាចប្រើជើងព្យពា្ជនះដូចខ្មែរបានទេ។
From the begining, Thai and Khmer or Yuon or Lao or Morn etc..are all God's people.God loves us as we are his creation. He pro-vides us everything. We are blessed and we are blessing. But because of our respective rebellion against God, we are prideful, arrogant, haughty, we fight each other and kill each other and hate each other, nations against nations, individuals against individuals, brothers/sisters against brothers/sisters.Khmers agains khmers, thais agains thais, yuon agains yuon, lao against lao, burman agains burma, khmers aganst thais, etc...
How can you pray and ask God for blessings if we do not love each other, if we even don't know we are swayed far away from God's way. we did not worship God any more. We instead worship the rulers as gods, we worship cow, ox, elephant, even pictures,arak, neak ta, human or animal statues etc... made of our own hand and lifeless things.
Cambodia for a short period of time had glorious builders of temples and statues but the down turn happend when Cambodia forget to build people and worse enslave his own people. Cambodia claims itself to be a Buddhist country, Thailand also, but how we follow and practice the teaching of Buddha,the enlighed one, let alone to worship God we can not see.
God punished harshly Cambodia for the large scale trangression of God laws brought by the Brahmanism then by Buddhism.
Signs are given to Cambodia and to Thailand and to Vietnam and Laos and Burma as well to turn back to God and walk in God way.
Calamities and destructions and plagues and famines will occur as God punishement if they persist in the wicked way as today and ignore God warning signs.
Ackowlege we commited bad deeds and omitted to do good deeds and repent and ask God Forgivness and wall again in his righteous way of justice, compassion, love,peace.tolerance and patience, humbleness.
9:22 AM Amen, there only one GOD.
Every cambodians from one generation to the next knows that Thais have tried to turn cambodia to thailand. Rewriting a story for decades hoping one day thailand successfully swallows cambodia.
Killing accademics aimed from both neighbors in order to colonise cambodia.Thailand did that to khmer empire in Longvek period,and had collected books,scripts to Thailand. Once again,Killing field created and killed intellects for similar purpose. Sadly,it is over a decade that finding killers has been a slow process. An perhaps the truth may never be revealed. Detective principle should be followed,criminals needed not to too far.
And regarding KHOM, this was introduced once in 1972 by proffessor Chatra Premudy,while cambodia was at war between Lon Nol regime and guerrillas KR.
Thailand always want to steal a nation,Cambodia.For her glorious history and fertile land,you can imagine why wouldn't neighbors want to have her piece?
Knowing that Thais and Viets were only minorities of chinese from mainland of China, Cambodia is a tasty piece of steak,and she was called golden land.
Corruption led the downfall of Lon Nol's period,and the fact of the matter is more khmers were killed, then followed the killingfield, and destruction continues as long as corruption persists.This repeat event will wipe out Cambodia thus new history will be rewritten.
Internal strength is to be focused, independece to be restored and morality needs to be considered.
Our GREED will lead to our destruction!
Neang SA
do khmer have any historians? or
professors to explaine this word to our khmer next generation to know?
The word "Khom"? who are they?
I am so confuse!
please help!
young khmer
Rama I (20 March 1736 – 7 September 1809) who founded Chakri dynasty was of Khmer descent from Takeo provice later migrated to Banteay Meas (currently Hatien, South Vietnam). He killed King Taksin of Thonburi who was the first Thai king of Chinese descent. This explains why he adopted the Khmer royal court customs and everything related to Khmer culture. During the reign of King Rama VI (King Vajiravudh) (1 January 1881 – 25 November 1925). His fourth consort Suvadhana (15 April - 10 October 1985)was of Khmer descent. She was the daughter of Phraya Abhaiyabhupesa (a Khmer governor of Battambang under Siamese rule). Suvadhana bore the only child of Rama VI (Princess Bejaratana)(25 November 1925 - present). Rama VI saw his child's face only one day before he passed away. In his will, it stated that if Suvadhana were to have a son, he will be crowned King, if otherwise his brother King Rama VII(King Prajadhipok)would be King. Thailand would have had a Khmer descent again on its throne! Interestingly, Pra Nang Chao Suvadhana was, through her maternal grandmother, Thao Sri Sundornnath (formerly Kaew Abhayavongsa), the great niece of Khun Chom Iem Busba, wife of HM King Norodom I of Cambodia and great-grandmother of King Norodom Sihanouk of Cambodia. Princess Bejaratana and King Norodom Sihanouk are thus third cousins through their descents from Thao Sri Sundornnath and her sister Khun Chom Iem Busba.
Achar Penh Wat Phnom
To undrstand KHOM, go to:
www.khmerbooks.blogspot.com
Suvadhana was a half sister of Khuang Abhaiwongse (1902-1968) who served 4 terms as Priminster of Thailand. Suvadhana and Khuang Abhaiwongse's father was Phraya Abhaiyabhubesa (Chum Aphaiwong) (1861 to 1922), a Khmer governor in Battambang under Siamese rule. When the Siamese retreated in 1945, Chum Aphaiwong family settled in Prachinburi next to Battambang province, now part of it became Banteay Meanchey province. Chum Aphaiwong fathered 169 sons and daughters during his lifetime.
Achar Penh Wat Phnom
KHOM = KHMER
KHOM EMPIRE = KHMER EMPIRE
อาณาจักรขะแมร์ (Khmer Empire) หรือ อาณาจักรเขมร หรือบางแหล่งเรียกว่า อาณาจักรขอม เป็นหนึ่งในอาณาจักรโบราณ เริ่มต้นขึ้น ราวพุทธศตวรรษที่ 6 โดยเริ่มจากอาณาจักรฟูนัน [1] มีที่ตั้งอยู่ในบริเวณประเทศกัมพูชา โดยมีอาณาเขตครอบคลุมพื้นที่บางส่วนของ ประเทศไทย ลาว และบางส่วนของเวียดนามในปัจจุบัน นับเป็นอาณาจักรที่มีแสนยานุภาพมากที่สุดในเอเชียตะวันออกเฉียงใต้ ต่อมาได้อ่อนกำลังลงจนเสียดินแดนบางส่วนให้กับอาณาจักรสุโขทัยและแตกสลายในที่สุดเมื่อตกเป็นเมืองขึ้นของอาณาจักรอยุธยา อาณาจักรขอมสืบทอดอำนาจจากอาณาจักรเจนละ มีสงครามผลัดกันแพ้ผลัดกันชนะกับอาณาจักรข้างเคียง เช่น อาณาจักรล้านช้าง อาณาจักรอยุธยา และอาณาจักรจามปา มรดกที่สำคัญที่สุดของอาณาจักรขอมคือ นครวัด และ นครธม ซึ่งเคยเป็นนครหลวงเมื่อครั้งอาณาจักรแห่งนี้มีความเจริญรุ่งเรืองที่สุด และยังมีลัทธิความเชื่อต่างๆ อย่างหลากหลาย ศาสนาหลักของอาณาจักรนี้ได้แก่ ศาสนาฮินดู พุทธศาสนามหายาน และพุทธศาสนาเถรวาทซึ่งได้รับจากศรีลังกา เมื่อคริสต์ศตวรรษที่ 13
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READ ABOUT THIS REFERENCE 1:22 PM....CAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IT THAI PEOPLE ARE MURDERS AND RAPIST TOO.....................
HARD TO THE TAKE HEY! THAI SHOULD PAY COMPENSATION AND OWE MONEY.......
Since I have read through comments
I have not yet seen any khmer's historian, professors nor educators who could explain the world "Khom" properly. Please,let educate our children and don't be ignorance or to tell the truth of the history.
7:12 pm, why is it so hard for you to understand that Siem made this up to twist history? You don't have to be historian or professor to figure that out. Siem claim that Angkor Wat is belong to them, do you beleive that too?
8:06 PM
My dear khmer friend,
It's not so hard... but we young did not understand the meanings clearly, and some comments were saying Khom is not Khmer, some saying khom is vietnamese, Laos or Cham. we CONFUSED!
KHOM IS KHMER!!!
NOT CONFUSED!!
Ex. Khmer script, Thai call Khom script.
Vietnam, Lao, Charm, Chinese,...don't have alphabets like what Thai says Khorm's.
IN SHORT, KHOM IS KHMER!!!
khmer people know that siem were khmer slaves. did you know they gain independence from khmer when they became a nation right after the decline of the khmer powerful angkor empire! can't deny facts of history. we khmer know it all along!
KHOM INDEED IS KHMER = MORN - KHMER. KHOM NATION = KHMER EMPIRE. MANY OF US KHMERS CHILDREN ARE NOT AWARE OF OUR TRUE IDENTITY. I LEARN OF "KHOM'S" EXISTENCE ONLY A LITTLE OVER 5 YEARS AGO AND LAST WEEKEND 10/23-24/2010 WAS AN INAUGURATION OF KHOM GOVERNMENT IN LOWELL MA. IT COULDN'T BE A BETTER TIMING THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT KHOM. THERE ARE MANY DOCUMENTS THAT SURVIVE TO PROVE OUR POINTS. WHEN THE TIME COMES WE SHALL LEARN OF THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH THAT SIAMS N YOUNS HAS MANY CENTURIES TRY TO WITHHOLD.
I am a decent of Commander Kao Tok khmer issarak roots and i also have family in thailand.
Khom, is the name of the whole land before it was divided.
During the Khom Empire all of southeast Asia was Khom AKA. Khmer (includes Myamar, Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, & Laos) then later became the Khmer Empire.
During this time the Khmer King had many Sons, which then wanted their own power.
Then Chinese came to southern Khmer lands as Jcham (they still exist and practice Islam) now know as Vietnam. and also the northern part of Khmer Empire now known as Burma.
anyways since the kings sons wanted power and the father granted them these lands, the immigrants that came from china would promise the Royal-Blood to supply armies to "help" rule the lands.
well the gifted Territories inhabited by the Sons of Khmer 5th dynasty grew into power and thought the gift was to small.
thailand / siam was born, vietnam, myamar, etc..etc...
but if you go to the temples in these countries that are still standing you will still see the Khmer Temples with Khom writing on the walls.
the monks still use and practice Khom Khmer Pali Scripture. the Majick came from Khmer. even the monks admit the language of the angels is Khmer Khom.
anyways this is old teachings from Surin Province in Thailand. My blood fought in the revolutions since Khmer Issrak, into Khmer Sareay, and during Pol Pot Killing Fields which i lost a lot of my family too.
the teachings of the King of Khom was correctly taught to the students in schools of Surin, Thailand and all through out the whole nation.
after the killing fields is when history was lost, pride took over and decided to write history, not "victory".
the gifted land wasnt enough so power struggle became out of control, and the french decided to come along and tried to take over, so did china, and vietnam.
once again trying to work it from the inside out...
anyways. Khom is Khmer Empire.
-White Sands
I'm surprised to see how on one stand the original poster stated that you do not understand the topic and on the other hand you know for a fact that history has been wrongly written. If you don't know facts, you should take a different stand and find out the facts before laying claim to the truth.
My mom's father's side has Khom blood. She told me the nation was lost/(zero) at one time. There are mentionings of Khom waging wars against the Siamese. So such people did exist, whether they are the 'same' people as the Khmer I could not say. To the Siamese, Khom is Khom and Khmer is Khmer. They could be same people from different region and having been called different name OR they could have been closely related people to the Khmer with their own empire at one time???
For SE Asia, majority of the region at one time was considered to be one big Khmer empire. Go look at ancient maps. Then people break out into different factions under different rulers. Eventually, they slowly evolved and assumed their identities as more recent history shows and see as the current map of the region.
But Thailand is a true melting pot of the region. The people know they came from different background and cultures but they embrace each other's differences and see themselves as one. That's what people need to do...to be proud of and embrace the old heritages that had been passing down through generations. But most importantly they need to love their motherland and protect it at all costs.
People spend too much time looking for differences. They should find what they have in common and work together in harmony.
OK, after talking some more with my mom. Khom is to Khmer as Siam is to Thai. It's a term used in the ancient time to call the people who occupy what is now Cambodia. The SE Asia region had ungergone lots of changes through the many centuries - from different borderlines to different rulers. At one point in time, some part of what is now Cambodia was under Siam's rule while other time, parts of the now Thailand was under the Khmer's rule. The people in this region came from same origin. Over time they evolved and slowly developed their own identity.
People from both countries should celebrate their similarity here and stop picking through their differences. You are more related to each other than you care to acknowledge.
Anyway, Khom existed in the old time but eventually they evolved into what people nowaday called Khmer/Khmen.
Good topic of discussion MINUS the constant bickering, though.
rich khom vs poor khmer.
rich khom vs poor khmer.
Khom is actually khom-mer ancestors .
They not thai , Burmese nor Laos but khmer its even mention on khmer walls on Angkor watt.
Dont believed thai history they been degrading khmer(ever since the fall of Khmer empire) and try to lied to us that we dpnt speak mon khom tongues ??lmfao .
Thai aka tai native tongues is proven to be related to sono Tibetan while khmer speak mon khom(which can be traced back to kush mountain India(central Asia) we probably related to cyrus the great of Kambojia of persia i believed.
The term "khmer" (is french pronunciation)
isnt the proper pronunciation its khom-mae/kam-mae just listen to how them chinese tai called us khmer😁😄👍.
That were the term khmer origin from khom-mae/kam-mae/kemet (yes same kemet in Egypt) the truth hurt .
Khmer king Surjayavarnam the 7th also wrote down in khmer histories that khmer martial art is called "yutha kun khom" not no muy thai or muy laos ( muy mean " one " so translated in siam thai number one? If you invented a fighting style why would you name your martial art number one?? lmfao)the father of all martial art in se Asia and was established 500 years before the establishment of Buddhism (which when you asked thai aka tai these fool just lost confused dont know where to start )mfao.
Khom-mae is the son of Cam/Khom i believed we related to the ancient Persian bloodline.
Tai history is wrong if you actually know how deep khmer history is brother.
Tai native tongues is tai kai dai(which is related to sino Tibetan)funny our khom/kam-mae native tongues is Mon Khom(remember khmer is a french term to describe us even tai call us kam-mae/kemet) origin from northern India around kush mountain.
Khom letter also depicted on Angkor wall and please dont get KHOM and KROM(krom mean lower/bottom ) mixed up .
Ancient only highly priest and buddah monk were taught Khom languages in royal court.
Ancient Khom used khom front but read the opposite example khmer alphabet now we read it from left to right but during the time of King Jayavarnaman it was read from right to left instead.
KHOM-MAE also adopted Indian cultures why cause we once lived in northern India(which khom-mae tongues can be found in India, Burma, Thailand .Laos and Viet-youn.
I love my culture and races so much i been doing deep researches so i can enlighten newer khom-mae /KHMER generations i believed our history can exposed the truth and make the world rise it eye browse (also dealing with khom-mae /kem-et in Egypt)and who the real JUDAH is..
Look into Tibetan history they also claimed they conqured mon khom and after there colonization they pushed mon toward Southeast Asia which later down the line our ancestor "kambujadas " formed various kingdom like Nokar Phnom(NOKOR FUNAN) CHENLA, LAVO KINGDOM AND KHOM/KAM- MAE /KHM-ER EMPIRE.
Chinese history can confirmed khmer ancestor were translating Buddhist manuscript in the year 296 A.D. during QIN DYNASTY (meaning our ancestors was already heavenly influence in Buddahism compare to what westerners depicted Khom-Mae /KHMER history).
Bokator is just a small martial moves in moha yuntha kun khom "depicted on Angkor Watt wall in Kambu-jadas /Cambodia(meaning Son of Kam/Khom which our natives tongues speak for itself.
Khmer martial art is one of the most completed martial thru out the world.
Angkor watt depicted khom-mae founded kick boxing plus other khmer fighting stances including ancient wrestling moves which no other south east Asian country got.
King jayavarnaman 7 claimed khmer kick boxing established 500 year before the establishment of Buddhism.
Khom-mae martial is a hybrid of khom-mae ancestor Martial art from Funan Kingdom (NOKOR PHNOM) CHENLA AND KHMER ANGKOR.
Whike thai okdest kingdom sukatai aka srok tai haha.
Mon khom is also khom-mae natives tongue.
Siam as describing Tai/ Thai is called syiam in the samkrist meaning brown races.
Apsaras is an Indian term while khmer say Tep Apsar.
The word Khom is the real term of our ancestors Khom-mae( khmer in french ).
Khom-mae is khom/ Kam-buja Cambodia in the West.
KHMER is a french term to describe Khom-mae even our native tongue is Mon Khom while Tai /Thai and Laos tongues is Sino Tibetan.
Khom /KAM Inscription can be found in Angkor Watt.
Khom/kam-mae is khmer (khmer is a french term) khmer native tongues is Mon Khom while tai/thai is Tai kai dai (Sino Tibetan)speaker dumb ass.
Do some real research my Chinese friend haha.
GOD dont like ugly and you tai/thai is one of them you lying false histories telling fool .
Khom is extinct. Khamen is slave of Khom. Look at Angor 's wall and Chinese record.
Your wrong bro, Khom / Kam is our Khom-er ancestry bloodline heritage, while krom mean below /lower /bottom/ underneigh (Khmer krom /South Vietnam).
Remeber Viet-youn stolen Khmer krom in 1948 and enlisted into World map by 1949. The funny part is viet-Youn claimed independence from France in 1945? South Cambodia (aka South Vietnam now) was still under French jurisdiction until 1948!
So these fools want us to believed it took communist Viet-youn 4 year to realized South Cambodia was actually South Vietnam? Wow Smh.. They claimed 22 Khmer providence and began flooding millions of Viet-Youn into South Cambodia aka South Viet-Youn now.
Repent to who your white Jesus? If so new flash Yesu (not jesus) mention in the BIBLE had burnt brass complexion (redish gold) us brown Asiatic not White not Black African. The Real King Solomon is King Surya-Varman 2 (die to languages barrier) which Khmer timeline is distorted by French and invader to fit there false histories requirements.
Northern Kingdom Shyama (in the bible) / Syam-a (in samkirt) / Syam / Siam is modern day Thailand when the Southern Kingdom was Judah /Jadas/Yudas/Yoda Kambu-jadas/ Cambo-dia/ Kampu-chea....
Khmer is the real Judah / Hebrew Israelite, even our Khmer New Year land on the month on Nissan/ that when Mose/Ptah/ Preah Putah / Preah Bud /Buddah (law giver) brought our ancestor Out of Egypt.
Angkor Wat also show and depicted that our ancestor was also enslaved toward the West (kam-et/Kem-et).
I believed Angkor Wat / Vat built around 1000 B.C. What I recently found out is that the oldest Khmer kingdom Nokar Ph-nom /Fu-nan statues (Lord Shiva) found dating back 2000 B.C.
Your wrong bro, Khom / Kam is our Khom-er ancestry bloodline heritage, while krom mean below /lower /bottom/ underneigh (Khmer krom /South Vietnam).
Remeber Viet-youn stolen Khmer krom in 1948 and enlisted into World map by 1949. The funny part is viet-Youn claimed independence from France in 1945? South Cambodia (aka South Vietnam now) was still under French jurisdiction until 1948!
So these fools want us to believed it took communist Viet-youn 4 year to realized South Cambodia was actually South Vietnam? Wow Smh.. They claimed 22 Khmer providence and began flooding millions of Viet-Youn into South Cambodia aka South Viet-Youn now.
Well one most interesting point is that there is a huge 'missing link' in history. If the Khmer empire existed in bloodline in present Cambodia, why the civilization are totally different? How come such a great empire left nothing to their descendants? It seems civilization has gone with the empire....
Well as now Nakorn Wat and Nakorn Thom are world heritage and Cambodian's pride, it's not surprised that current Khmer try to create a link that they are offspring of the great empire. But still the doubt about how the civilization completely lost remains...
Khom is khmer .
Why do you said khom is extinct? And how did they extinct?
Thai believe Khom is descendants of varmans and they are related. And us Khmer is slaves
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