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Below is a slightly revised version of a two-part comment posted earlier. Apologies for the necessary length.
Part 1/2:
Back in 1979 in the aftermath of the collapse of the Pol Pot regime, Premier Pham Van Dong having seen the extent of the devastation and suffering that gripped the Cambodian nation confessed how surprised he was to have witnessed misfortune on such a scale notwithstanding the fact that his own country had 'endured so much suffering ourselves'.
Another Vietnamese statesman, Le Doc Tho, who was to play a pivotal role in the overthrow of the Pol Pol regime and subsequently in laying the foundation for establishing Vietnamese hegemony over Cambodia, a project which he believed would entrench that domination leaving a lasting Vietnamese political legacy there rather than a temporary contingency or measure also insinuated at his country's historical uneasiness towards the recalcitrant nature of Khmer nationalism when he quipped that 'We know that once they (Cambodians)have recovered they will turn against us'.
Tho could not be blamed for resonating the sentiment of Vietnamese rulers down the centuries. Emperor Ming Mang was said to have expressed similar frustration noting that 'Even if we were to conquer all their territories, these barbarians would always remain untamed by virtue of their customs . . . My hair stand on end when I think of their rebellious trait!' That one of his generals resorted to committing suicide in apology to the Emperor over his own failure to keep Cambodia under Vietnamese rule gives us a valuable insight into this turbulent relationship and the weight Vietnamese rulers have attached - and continue to attach - to Cambodia.
We can deduce, on the one hand, from these sets of observations by Vietnamese actors, a display of intrinsic 'ambivalence' on their part in relations to Cambodia's woes, but justifiably an unguarded expression of innate arrogance and unpardonable hypocrisy for evading the root causes of those misfortunes. One could hardly share Pham Van Dong's sense of shock and denial of knowledge of Pol Pot's crimes against the Khmer people prior to the invasion in December 1979 given the close proximity Hanoi had to the DK regime in both physical and intelligence terms.
But, what some of us, whether we are nationalists or humanists, find unfathomable and inexcusable is what many of us have warned and foreseen for years that Khmer nationalism in its extreme, violent form be it channelled inward or outward has been primarily a function of external pressure that has been exerted on Cambodia by her two expansionist neighbours.
On the other hand, reading carefully into Le Doc Tho's remark about the recalcitrant nature of Khmer nationalism, one might be forgiven for thinking that this offers a hint of Vietnamese resignation over the 'barbarians' to the west instead of concealing a carefully crafted stratagem to head off not just that Holy Alliance of anti-Vietnamese resistance, but also to consolidate and entrench Vietnamese influence over all aspects of Khmer life, including exploitation of the country's natural assets ranging from timber and fishery to rubber, and an insistence upon an open border to one-way immigration traffic on an unprecedented scale.
Lebensraum - 'living space' - may be too strong a term, but the aim is no less realistic or predatory: it achieved the immediate objective of relieving socio-economic pressure on an impoverished post-war nation (Vietnam) while the influx of settlers would be facilitated by a surrogate authority to submerge or integrate themselves into the fabric of the indigenous population, gradually imitating the latter's speech and adopting customs that were once viewed with disdain by Vietnamese emperors.
In short, where outright military occupation had once provoked popular backlash and native hostility, in contrast, the opportunity to neutralise the nationalistic forces of a nation through a carefully nurtured yet pampered (corrupt) elite ensures a multi-faceted expansion of Vietnamese interest to proceed unresisted, combining, as this process entails, piecemeal annexation of Khmer territories on the one hand and, political, demographic infiltration on the other, in an almost imperceptible fashion, as Chantrea, Memot and other Khmer villagers have hitherto witnessed.
So subdued and cowed has been a nation’s collective repose to what is unspeakably a day-light assault on its dignity and honour; a violation that traditionally and in other nations would have invited a swift protest through diplomatic channels, if not direct military confrontation and immediate, genuine mass mobilisation (one not of the specious and orchestrated variety we have been treated to over the Preah Vihear issue) that even the nation’s youth, teachers as well as the Buddhist clergy could not be awaken from their enforced slumber and paralysis sufficiently to manifest their nationalist sentiment and duty on the streets and outside the embassy of the offending state in question.
I'm CPP senate and a member. I'm so proud of Sam Rainsy for doing the great job. At lease we have one patriotic guy like him to stand for Cambodian national interest. Those old farts CPP members are useless and just sit there in the senate's house raise their hands without doing any analyzing and thinking.
103am-If you are a real CPP senator and member. Can you stand up to your boss like Sam Rainsy is doing right now with Youn (your mater 's boos). I bet you are not. You are living overseas, PAL!!!.
You get up in 1:03 AM in the middle of the night in P.Penh to write this comment and posted on KI.
Otherwise if you so the speak but afraid to speak out of losing position and money, Then what is the point?
Great picture representing the Vietnamization of Cambodia (or Nam Tien). I am no Sam Rainsy party member, but I give full credit to Mr. Sam Rainsy's courage and true Khmer heart--saving the last piece of Khmerland for Khmer children from the aggressive Viets and Thais.
Khmerland has been destroyed by the inferior leaders such as King Chey Chetha and now Hanoi-puppet Hun Sen. King Chey Chetha allowed Viets on Kampuchea Krom's soil and today Hun Sen allows Viets on Cambodia's soil. Will Khmer of Cambodia be turned into another ethnic minority of Cambodia as the Viets have made Khmer-Krom as an ethnic group of the Mekong Delta.
Under Hun Sen regime today Khmer of Cambodia is turning into an ethnic minority in Cambodia.
7:54am your wrote: "King chey chetha allowed viets on kampuchea krom's soil" No,that's not true at all. king chey chetha did not allow viets to reside in khmer krom territory. He fought a war with viet and lost the battle. But he never allowed viets to live freely in khmer krom.
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A perfect picture with agitated Youn Dragon and Bull dog CPP Youn slave behind Sam Rainsy.
Below is a slightly revised version of a two-part comment posted earlier. Apologies for the necessary length.
Part 1/2:
Back in 1979 in the aftermath of the collapse of the Pol Pot regime, Premier Pham Van Dong having seen the extent of the devastation and suffering that gripped the Cambodian nation confessed how surprised he was to have witnessed misfortune on such a scale notwithstanding the fact that his own country had 'endured so much suffering ourselves'.
Another Vietnamese statesman, Le Doc Tho, who was to play a pivotal role in the overthrow of the Pol Pol regime and subsequently in laying the foundation for establishing Vietnamese hegemony over Cambodia, a project which he believed would entrench that domination leaving a lasting Vietnamese political legacy there rather than a temporary contingency or measure also insinuated at his country's historical uneasiness towards the recalcitrant nature of Khmer nationalism when he quipped that 'We know that once they (Cambodians)have recovered they will turn against us'.
Tho could not be blamed for resonating the sentiment of Vietnamese rulers down the centuries. Emperor Ming Mang was said to have expressed similar frustration noting that 'Even if we were to conquer all their territories, these barbarians would always remain untamed by virtue of their customs . . . My hair stand on end when I think of their rebellious trait!' That one of his generals resorted to committing suicide in apology to the Emperor over his own failure to keep Cambodia under Vietnamese rule gives us a valuable insight into this turbulent relationship and the weight Vietnamese rulers have attached - and continue to attach - to Cambodia.
We can deduce, on the one hand, from these sets of observations by Vietnamese actors, a display of intrinsic 'ambivalence' on their part in relations to Cambodia's woes, but justifiably an unguarded expression of innate arrogance and unpardonable hypocrisy for evading the root causes of those misfortunes. One could hardly share Pham Van Dong's sense of shock and denial of knowledge of Pol Pot's crimes against the Khmer people prior to the invasion in December 1979 given the close proximity Hanoi had to the DK regime in both physical and intelligence terms.
But, what some of us, whether we are nationalists or humanists, find unfathomable and inexcusable is what many of us have warned and foreseen for years that Khmer nationalism in its extreme, violent form be it channelled inward or outward has been primarily a function of external pressure that has been exerted on Cambodia by her two expansionist neighbours.
MP
Part 2/2:
On the other hand, reading carefully into Le Doc Tho's remark about the recalcitrant nature of Khmer nationalism, one might be forgiven for thinking that this offers a hint of Vietnamese resignation over the 'barbarians' to the west instead of concealing a carefully crafted stratagem to head off not just that Holy Alliance of anti-Vietnamese resistance, but also to consolidate and entrench Vietnamese influence over all aspects of Khmer life, including exploitation of the country's natural assets ranging from timber and fishery to rubber, and an insistence upon an open border to one-way immigration traffic on an unprecedented scale.
Lebensraum - 'living space' - may be too strong a term, but the aim is no less realistic or predatory: it achieved the immediate objective of relieving socio-economic pressure on an impoverished post-war nation (Vietnam) while the influx of settlers would be facilitated by a surrogate authority to submerge or integrate themselves into the fabric of the indigenous population, gradually imitating the latter's speech and adopting customs that were once viewed with disdain by Vietnamese emperors.
In short, where outright military occupation had once provoked popular backlash and native hostility, in contrast, the opportunity to neutralise the nationalistic forces of a nation through a carefully nurtured yet pampered (corrupt) elite ensures a multi-faceted expansion of Vietnamese interest to proceed unresisted, combining, as this process entails, piecemeal annexation of Khmer territories on the one hand and, political, demographic infiltration on the other, in an almost imperceptible fashion, as Chantrea, Memot and other Khmer villagers have hitherto witnessed.
So subdued and cowed has been a nation’s collective repose to what is unspeakably a day-light assault on its dignity and honour; a violation that traditionally and in other nations would have invited a swift protest through diplomatic channels, if not direct military confrontation and immediate, genuine mass mobilisation (one not of the specious and orchestrated variety we have been treated to over the Preah Vihear issue) that even the nation’s youth, teachers as well as the Buddhist clergy could not be awaken from their enforced slumber and paralysis sufficiently to manifest their nationalist sentiment and duty on the streets and outside the embassy of the offending state in question.
MP
I'm CPP senate and a member. I'm so proud of Sam Rainsy for doing the great job. At lease we have one patriotic guy like him to stand for Cambodian national interest. Those old farts CPP members are useless and just sit there in the senate's house raise their hands without doing any analyzing and thinking.
CPP's member,
Yes, we need to replace those old farts CPP.
They can't perform any national interest!!
103am-If you are a real CPP senator and member. Can you stand up to your boss like Sam Rainsy is doing right now with Youn (your mater 's boos). I bet you are not. You are living overseas, PAL!!!.
You get up in 1:03 AM in the middle of the night in P.Penh to write this comment and posted on KI.
Otherwise if you so the speak but afraid to speak out of losing position and money, Then what is the point?
where is cambodia's dragon or known as naga or neak in khmer! cambodia's naga should fight with viet's tiny dragon!
Great picture representing the Vietnamization of Cambodia (or Nam Tien). I am no Sam Rainsy party member, but I give full credit to Mr. Sam Rainsy's courage and true Khmer heart--saving the last piece of Khmerland for Khmer children from the aggressive Viets and Thais.
Khmerland has been destroyed by the inferior leaders such as King Chey Chetha and now Hanoi-puppet Hun Sen. King Chey Chetha allowed Viets on Kampuchea Krom's soil and today Hun Sen allows Viets on Cambodia's soil. Will Khmer of Cambodia be turned into another ethnic minority of Cambodia as the Viets have made Khmer-Krom as an ethnic group of the Mekong Delta.
Under Hun Sen regime today Khmer of Cambodia is turning into an ethnic minority in Cambodia.
Khmer Angkor
7:54am your wrote: "King chey chetha allowed viets on kampuchea krom's soil" No,that's not true at all. king chey chetha did not allow viets to reside in khmer krom territory. He fought a war with viet and lost the battle. But he never allowed viets to live freely in khmer krom.
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