Sunday, February 14, 2010

Love for Sale: Neary Kroup Lak and the Economics of Sex


First published in October 2007 in The Phnom Penh Post as part of the Voice of Justice columns. "Love is patient; love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres." - St. Paul to the Corinthians in the first century. Happy Valentine's Day, everyone! - thearyseng.com


Love for Sale:
Neary Kroup Lak and the Economics of Sex

I believe the health of our nation hinges on the liberation of our female population. We, Khmers, Cannot expect social progress and economic development to occur in a vacuum, without the empowerment of our sisters, daughters, and wives. This will require us to alter our thinking regarding what it means to be an 'ideal Khmer woman', neary kroup lak, as outlined by the Women's Code of Conduct or Chbap Srei. She need not be the deferential, submissive, homely, soft-spoken, well-mannered, long-haired, almond-eyed Asian mannequin of society.

Instead, let her breathe air after 6 PM; let her be educated; let her speak her mind; let her explore; let her skin and scrape her knees a little.

Tradition and customs protect her from vices and being misunderstood, people explain. But I believe we hold on tightly to these customs and forms, partly, to counter the rising social ills of prostitution—to prove to our-selves and others that we Khmer pride ourselves on values and decorum. This holds true for men in particular, who proclaim their commitment to these values as a way of absolving themselves of their involvement.

We may excoriate the debased foreigners who come to our country to exploit the very fragile legal, enforcement infrastructure and the young girls, but we have to face the fact that the majority of the clients in the red light districts are actually our Khmer men.

Immorality and amorality

A while back I helped with a translation of a film on prostitution in Cambodia. In an interview with a 'john', I was struck by the glibness and lackadaisical attitude of this moto-taxi driver, who visited prostitutes on a regular basis because he wanted to try how a 'fat' one differs from a 'skinny' one, or how a 'white' one differs from his wife. Moreover, he could do things to prostitutes he could not do to his wife.

Besides repulsion, I was struck by a devastating thought: he lives in a society that is slipping beyond immorality into amorality. With immorality, at least his conscience pricks him to tell him his acts are wrong. But with amorality, a person is so de-sensitized that he does not care.

Where is love amidst this cruel bond? Where is romance and intimacy amidst this vile union? How can something so beautiful be so degraded? But sadly, as is often the case, the greater the beauty the greater is the perversion.

How is it that lust has replaced love, what is permissible preferred over the best? Has he not ever experienced that exquisite union of souls where the acute swelling of heart and tightening of muscles have nothing to do with carnal knowledge but everything to do with the best of the beloved? Where the knees give way, the chest pounds, and the throat dries up when we catch glimpses of the ethereal beauty of the adored?

Legacy of UNTAC

Under its rule, the Khmer Rouge can be credited with abolishing 'the oldest profession' in our country. This condition remained so until the presence of the United Nations in 1992. The invasion of 26,000 UN blue berets—young men culled from all over the world, paid with generous UN salaries—created a demand that was quickly supplied by the poverty-stricken female population (many trucked in from Vietnam, commerce transacted by local officials) in satisfying the libidos of these men. The United Nations paid these peacekeepers several thousand dollars per month in a country on the verge of extinction whose population lived on almost nothing.

The UN peacekeepers have been long gone, but the trade of selling bodies and souls continue. In certain situations, the girls sacrifice their bodies for the survival of their family. In other cases, the parents sell their daughters as part of the human cargo and trafficking that make for common occurrences that do not even raise an eyebrow anymore.

This social ill inflicts fatal wounds on all levels of our Khmer society, and its worst twists spiral down from the highest echelons of power.

Beauty and power

Beauty is attracted to power, power to beauty. A most despicable cycle of violence has been spiraling in our present-day society whereby the first wives of prominent men hunt down much younger second wives or mistresses of their philandering husbands. Time and again, we read the same storyline, with only the names changed; vengeful wives, armed with an entourage of bodyguards, attacking the girls with skin-eating acid thrown onto faces and bodies. The intent is not to kill so much as to deform. In a culture of impunity, these perpetrators have yet to face justice.

There is no winner in this situation. Everyone is to blame; everyone is a victim; everyone is a perpetrator. The issue is not one of justification for the younger women—sometimes a refusal can turn dangerous—but of proportionality and just deserts.

And the cruelty of it all—women are pitted against women, encouraged and circumscribed by a cultural, social and economic construct where the sexual degradation of one is to preserve the twisted ideal of another!

Economics of sex

The problem raises the larger issue of how we are to live, whether we want to live in a society where "love" is purely an economic equation and is up for sale; whether we want to live in a society where our daughters and sisters can aspire to nothing greater than the wife or commodity of a wealthy man, of an Oknha, of a white man, of a minister. Have we resigned ourselves to accepting the union of a beautiful 16-year old girl with a scraggly 60-year old man as normal? Is it ageism or an issue of power and choice? If we believe love is the foundation of such a union, I don't think we would be so uneasy (or queasy!), but rather rejoice with this most fortunate of a man! Do we as a society not feel the onus and responsibility for creating more opportunities and empowering our women or are we so ready to disown the many living in sexual slavery because we are free from it? Are we not concerned for the larger implication of what it means for us as a people, as a nation?

Or can we carelessly dismiss this as fate and neatly absolve the problem with a simple classification of neary kroup lak or "good" girls versus "bad" girls. If we are to pause and deeply assess the present-day status of Khmer women, our values and actions, is this categorization even meaningful? Many times, is not the line of respectability a bit blurred and skewered and based more on economics and social status rather than morality or ethics? Does not our current society quietly admire or envy a beautifully kept woman with a man of means, but treat with contempt and discard the pretty farm girl who has been trafficked into the sex trade for pennies?

Neary kroup lak reassessed

The Chbap Srei and the concept of the neary kroup lak must be reassessed in light of the realities of current society of 2007 (and not 1907) and where our society is heading. We can pretend to exist in a society of 100 years ago and to close our eyes to the changes around us, or we can face straight on the changes— often times unsettling amid seemingly uncontrollable and try to shape them. Change is never easy, especially when our identity, honor and worth are at stake. But rather than retreat and be defensive or act like an ostrich with its head stuck in the sand refusing to believe the obvious, we can, we should, we must take control of our destiny and impact it rather than living passively to be impacted upon.

If we are at all concerned about the state of affairs, we, Khmer women, need to be empowered through education and the exercising of our Constitutional and inherent rights; our Khmer men need to be educated concerning their own dignity and worth and the value and freedom of their Khmer women. It reflects our inadequacy and self-loathing when we feel we need to demean and one-up another; we must fight against this tendency to devalue each other as Khmer.

It also reflects our imbalance when we kow-tow to anything foreign or display passive-aggressive attitudes to them when we feel slighted; we must take care not to praise disproportionately or misplace our criticism of foreigners, for no one can give us or take away our inherent values, as no one can look down on us—without our consent.

And we are consenting when we mistreat each other, particularly our own women; we are consenting when we close our eyes to the misery of the vulnerable, of the fatherless, of the elderly, of the landless, of the disabled, of the needy; we are consenting when we abuse the rights of our own people and create conditions where they are forced to beg for the most basic of necessities.

We both need to understand that in destroying the souls of our wives, daughters and sisters, we are destroying our own souls; we are consenting.

We of both sexes must be braver to withstand the social stigmas and temptations and value each other. If we are at all serious and concerned for the welfare of our society, there is no other way. We must translate lip service into active service of care, compassion and individual transformation.

Presumption against Khmer women

To be human is to desire. But there are times, when our heart's desire has to be subordinated and sacrificed for a larger good. Even as our heart is being ripped out of us, we know there are limits to our desires. Why is it that we so often do what we know we ought not to do, and so often love or desire someone whom we would be better advised to walk away from?

The problems have reached such an apex that presumptions against us Khmer women are growing. And these presumptions are impeding our progress. They shackle our mobility and freedom, for these presumptions mistakenly inform Khmer women what is and is not permissible to do or not do, to be or not be. They are nefarious because our opportunities are limited by someone's misperceptions, our choices dictated by a social construct that makes our interaction with men, particularly of power, suspect.

Consequently, we Khmers should not be too surprised when outsiders view us with weariness or disdain, or when they exploit this presumption to their advantage. By not highly valuing ourselves or each other, and by not responding appropriately when others degrade or slight us, no matter how wrong their statement or action, we reinforce these presumptions. Let others take responsibility for their own wrongs, and let each of us expend our energy reflecting on our own life, and how we can do better.

And for those of us Khmers who have acquired education, power or wealth, let me say: do not think we are free from indignities heaped on us by foreigners because of the strand(s) of diamonds around our neck, or the perfect American accent we have cultivated, or the Gucci bag we carry, or the shiny Mercedes we drive, or the foreign degree(s) we have accumulated, or through any other means by which we believe can distance us from "the masses" and poverty's ugliness— unless we want to altogether disown our Khmer identity. We are only fooling ourselves if we believe we have gained respectability through any of these things while still misusing and abusing ourselves and our women.
Long ago a non-Khmer man of immense wealth and authority responded to my refusal of his propositioning with a contemptuous "Cambodians are a dime a dozen." I wanted so badly to direct him where he should go in the same manner we Khmers might use a finger to indicate where the sky is!

In the expatriate community of humanitarian workers, diplomats, businessmen (cleverly and accurately dubbed me 'lords of poverty' by one author), the presumption against us Khmer women can unfold either in explicit arrogance or subtle sophisticated undercutting.

I have encountered personally, on countless occasions throughout the years, the mixture of the two. In one particular situation, my forcing of an issue to expose the fraud of a foreign lawyer posed too great a risk to make it to print: the expatriate community was experiencing a backlash of anti-foreigner sentiments coupled with the possibility that I was just a disgruntled employee. Also, concerns were raised about the innocent local staff whose livelihood depended on the continued existence of the institution.

Later on, it was spun that I was the scorned lover of the foreign lawyer.

Of course... what else can I, a Khmer woman, possibly be?!

It will take years to chip away at this presumption made by us toward each other and by foreigners alike.

We need to return to the principle of first things. Genuine Love. For ourselves. And for each other.

Theary C. SENG, a member of the New York Bar Association, former director of Center for Social Development (March 2006—July 2009), founder and Board of the Center for Justice & Reconciliation (www.cjr-cambodia.org), founding adviser of the Association of Khmer Rouge Victims (www.akrvc.org), is currently writing her second book, under a grant, amidst her speaking engagements. For additional information, please visit Theary's website at thearyseng.com.

71 comments:

Anonymous said...

A very well written article, indeed!

Good work, Theary!

Anonymous said...

I usually disregard whatever this lady says but I actually read this one and I have to agree. I want to see Khmer society at a point where a boy can interact with a girl vice versa and whatever you do personally together out of genuine mutual interest in each other and not money or power. But, economic factors play an important role in determining that. It seems nowadays that you can buy love from the girls because their financial status is lower than you. I hope that Khmer women become progressive and be like their Western counterpart, independent and self-sufficient. Once they can take care of themselves financially through a profession, they have the choice for the boyfriend or husband they want. Speaking as a Khmer guy, while still wanting to be the man of the pants, I want Khmer women to have leveraged financial and power status as Khmer men. I want the Khmer women to have their choice too. Let her choose who she wants and what she wants. That would mean men would have more work to do to get her and I prefer that over being able to select any girl I desire because of how much money I have or my social status. It's harder work but it is much realer. That is how I feel.

A woman said...

A well-elaborated written.

The Khmer Women of history, a legend of the Kingdom of Cambodia.
To reassess the unique Khmer culture to fully comply the 2007's development will pollute the sense of its originality, hence results in the Culture of impurity.

Tony from Germany said...

What about the man in Cambodia?
They abandon there partner when they pregnant and looking for a young attractive girl. There is no law in Cambodia the husband have to care for the child and the mother. How can you earn US$ 200.00 per month in Cambodia and care for the baby? There is only one way , the way to the bar. Most of the girls in the bars are married and have children and the husband run a way. And all hope to find a foreigner man how take care of them. And all of them feed up with the Khmer man. Tha's what I find out .
Kind Regards A.P.G.

Anonymous said...

7:13 PM

Your view of the world is very subjective. I know there are Khmer guys who are irresponsible like that just as there are American, Chinese, etc... guys who do that too. You wish they can find a foreigner? What kind of inferior complex do you have to think foreign guys are better at taking care of family? I suggest you do some research into domestic violence in wherever abroad you're from and your view of the wholesome savior foreigners won't be so much the same anymore. In case you are from the US, here is a little fun fact. Domestic violence was so rampant they renamed the diego shirt to wifebeater. I wonder how that term comes about.

Anonymous said...

Theary Seng does not realize that she is promoting Love for Sale herself by advertising "Happy Valentine's Day, everyone!" and everything else that comes along with that. An old foreign geezer would buy and give a box of chocolate and red roses to Theary and she would fall for it.

This Valentine's Day is not even a Cambodian custom. Cambodians have their own way about love.

What a nitwit!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Theary Seng is actually a "neary kroup lek." No, she couldn't be a neary kroup lek. I would not want a neary kroup lek wife because of her classic adherence to "chbap srey," which is old fashion and indigenous ethic khmer tradition. To uphold neary kroup lek tradition and adhere to chbab srey (as Theary noted, wormen's code of conduct:She need not be the deferential, submissive, homely, soft-spoken, well-mannered, long-haired, almond-eyed Asian mannequin of society.
) is backward thinking. She articulated her view very well, but she seems to believe that if khmer women uphold neary kroup lek tradition then they would counter prostitution.

An ideal khmer woman (neary kroup lek) means different things to different people. Some women would never want to be a neary kroup lek at all as they feel khmer tradition imposes code of conduct on them, which counters their values and freedom of expression.

Anonymous said...

THEARY SENG IS ONE CONFUSED WOMAN.

Anonymous said...

Theary Seng is one of the best high knowledge and high personality Cambodian woman.
She graduated Ph.D in Law in the US.

She brought lots of best freedom ideas to Khmers in Cambodia.

Khmers from all of the world are proud to have a high knowledge Khmer woman like her.

Thanks

Anonymous said...

THEARY SENG IS ONE OF THE BEST HIGH KNOWLEDGE AND HIGH PERSONALITY CAMBODIAN WOMAN.
SHE GRADUATED PH.D IN LAW IN THE US.

SHE BROUGHT LOTS OF BEST FREEDOM IDEAS TO KHMERS IN CAMBODIA.

KHMERS FROM ALL OF THE WORLD ARE PROUD TO HAVE A HIGH KNOWLEDGE KHMER WOMAN LIKE HER.

THANKS

Anonymous said...

And you, 9:59 pm, 10:00 pm, are just a parakeet. Her spewing does not reflect the JD that she claims to hold. That's the problem I guess you don't know any better, cock ka tull doo.

A woman said...

Some men want to have independent/career women to be their partners yet complain she is too busy to take care of home.

Anonymous said...

freedowload

Anonymous said...

why ki media keeps posting theary seng's article? it is ancient and out of date. she should have something else to do, for instance, helping khmer communities in the US to make it better. I don't like to read it at all.

Anonymous said...

The Christian beliefs:

.God made man from the dust of the earth.

.God took a rib from right side of man and made for him a woman.

.Between God & man is a love relationship.

.God married the first man and woman and blessed them.

.Israel is married to God, she is his bride. But they played the harlot by committing adultery with foreign gods.

.The Church is the bride of Christ.
She also has played the harlots and committed adultery with foreign
gods.

.Christ love the "Church" that he laid down his life for her. (true love)

.Men ought to love their wives as Christ love the "Church" and gave his life for her.

.Christianity is a love relationship between God and man,
and not merely a religious ritual.

.A true man of God will not mistreat his bride, for she is a weaker vessel and to be handle with great care.

.Men, a stable society starts with you having the proper relationship with your Creator, God.
We have been given the responsibility to rule and reign on this earth with orders from our Creator. A society prosper or crumble by our understanding of these orders.

Ambassador of the King of kings and LORD of lords. Wisconsinite

Anonymous said...

The future of cambodia's public defender on women issues depends on Theary Seng. Khmer women of today's generation should heed her advice. Most importantly, khmer women must be equipped with skills and knowledge to undertake their duty as citizen of Cambodia as well as a wife, mother, or daughter.

Anonymous said...

I applause your great effort Theary to ingrain morality into Khmer's society again.

I am sad for the wounds of the daughters of my Khmer people. How your loveliness is become corrupted by those who prey on your beauty and disposition in life.

Woe unto you who thread down the poor and needy with your exploit, the God of heaven is keeping record on your account. You will not go unpunished either in this life or the after life to come.

Here is my sentiment for my Khmer's daughters:

.The king's daughter is all glorious within: her clothing is of wrought gold.

.She shall be brought unto the king in raiment of needlework: the virgins her companions that follow her shall be brought unto thee.

.With gladness and rejoicing shall they be brought: they shall enter into the king's palace.

The passage above is referring to the Messiah and his bride. He wants the Khmer's daughters to be glorious with his absolute beauty and love. Not to be exploit by wild
beast mentality of men as Theary's article said so well.

Wisconsin

Anonymous said...

What an alluring look of Theary! Thanks for sharing this article.

Anonymous said...

Any contribution, whether it is wealth, education or just simple advice to help our people is greatly appreciated. Thear Seng has done many things for the Cambodian people. Thanks Teary.

Anonymous said...

Former Khmer code of valor can make each Khmer woman a proud mother of society and a proud mother of the nation. The Chinese and yuon culture and idealism rather limit woman role and rights, women become slaves and selfish individual who can only care about her own and her little family sometime but enemies to her society and nation. It is not only individual failure but conceptional fail.

Khmer women of old fashion Chbab Srei can be a be a very great Khmer woman of new fashion Chbab Srei it is depend on how you fusion your old concept with the new one all keeping old valor. Don’t take it as conflict but as a richness. Khmer must not reduce but multiply and adjust with the wonderful concept of our wonderful culture.

Violence is human nature. Domestic violence can be worse than that of outsider violence and it touched every culture and mankind but to deferent level. In society where women rights or human rights are abused, domestic violence or violence against women is worse and baffled and in majority of case in those countries the auteur of violence are not been punished by laws and this leads to increase all kind of violence and antisocial conducts. In society where women rights are respected, women are better protected by laws which contributed to reduce all kind of violence in intensity as in rate. This is why, respect of laws and human rights is very important to reduce violence in the world.

Regard to men responsibility, to be honest, I know a lot of Khmer men (overseas) who are equal or even more responsible and caring toward their child but we cant say that for Khmer mend in Cambodia. I believe developed society produced much men responsible comparing to those of the poor countries like Cambodia. It is something that we can not deny. Beside culture, poverty, poor mental cares and poor education contribute to the poor conducts of men to the lose of their dignity as mankind.

But what respect, human rights, diversity or democratic has any signification to a race or a group of people who think that other people who don’t have their skin color, their way of life, their mentality or intelligence are inferior people who merit to be eliminated from the world to free land for their race? Such the race, such the mentality, the such the culture that dominate actual Cambodia and turn this beautiful country to the ground zero, to a land of curse, a land of blood seed and a living hell to the image of those who put Cambodia submission to its rules, its reign, its power.

Anonymous said...

why it's such a taboo in khmer society? sex and politics ought to be separated. how did thailand and the philipines do it? cambodia needs to be fair to the sex industry. every country on the planet has culture and tradition, but how did they do it harmoniously? why cambodia makes it such a big deal with sex? why can't they be like thailand and the philipines? or vietnam? it's a taboo! cambodia needs to change its sex mentality too.

Anonymous said...

It's encouraging to see this lady expressing her interests in helping other Khmer women. It's very distubing to see her mentioned Valentine. Why Valentine, you and I know it, that's not our costum to celebrate this stupid Valentine. How about "Happy Chinese New Year"! Isn't Cambodia celebrate Chinese New Year too?

Anonymous said...

hey, it's called changing of mentality. in a new era in cambodia, people can celebrate like in the america, ok! stop being old-fashion already! too old for that, the new, younger generation will be different from the old ones, thank god. god bless cambodia. young people in people in cambodia are more open-minded and more intelligent, more out-going, more educated, etc... nothing wrong with that! god bless cambodia.

Anonymous said...

i guess, in free society, people do have choices about their life, you know! stop trying to control people, ok! i have choice, you have choice, ok! i don't infringe on your rights, you shouldn't do that to me, ok! it's called business economy and freedom, ok. wake up already!

Anonymous said...

Thank you Seng Theary!!!Good work!!!We are with you!!!!
Please do it more about the situation in our homeland!!!
Dictator (Khmer rouge)Hun Xen will die soon!!!
All khmer have to stand up against this dictator regime!!!!

Seng Theary is the khmer hero woman!!!

Anonymous said...

11:14 am, 12:04pm,

After your rambling, just don't rape or molest any children, alright?

What a religion numb nut!

Anonymous said...

khmer needs the joan of arc women in cambodia. they help to make a real difference for all in cambodia. freedom in cambodia!

Anonymous said...

AND THEARY SENG AIN'T IT!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Hello young Cambodian people? No wonder you young freaked people are like messed up! You're not Cambodian nor India, Loas?, Who a hell are you? Think about what you wrote. To be born as Khmer is a privilege! So, pleaseeee, don't spoil it, ok? Remember, you're not European people, you're a true Cambodian people. Let's celebrate that! By the way, I'm not an old person!

Anonymous said...

why can't i find my own love, why have to be arranged marriage? i want o be happy, if i'm not happy, i want a divorce, ok! don't try to own me, ok! i'm not old-fashioned! i want to have choice of freedom!

Anonymous said...

Who said that you have to settle with an arranged marriage? And don't get knocked off while you are still in the middle school. Or you want that. It could be your salvation to freedom (sic!)

Anonymous said...

Here Theary is trying to uphold Khmer tradition, but the impact of globalization's culture have invat Khmer culture - as some NGO cooperate (or had concense from the govt. that they will distribupt 20,000 condoms before the V-day - as quote bellow" to Khmer men who are incapable of keep the thing in their to themselves - to enjoy! How degrading it is to the Khmer culture? What happen to the government that suppose to governce the moral society with dinity - but turns 180 degree to support such act. I suppose - some people really want their name to be recongnize as doing good - but in fact have done more damage to the Khmer immage.

On another issue - It is also should be the waik up call to the Khmer govt. that using Khmer as the poor country no longer work - as one can see the reaction from the US govt. that it will only extend the period for the debt payment, but not to forgive it completely.

I believe that before Khmer repeat the history of 1975 again (when the poor take the opportunity to kill those educate and the richs - now would be the new Khmer rich), the govt. should take their responsibility - one have to remember that title come with responsibility - thus, if one hold the title without shame of abusing their power toward (their country men, women, and children) - don't blaim the foreigners or the neighbore countries not respect Cambodian dinity soverenty. Cambodian govt. should have the strategies for where they want to lead the country to - five yrs, 10 yrs, 15 yrs, or event 30 yrs from now. I know govt. have stratigies, but tratigies a lone have no value - just a piece of toilet paper - if the govt. does not take trategies to implement put the budget and monitor the progress (this where anti-corruption law play very important role - and govt. have to be able to implement this law). For the good of Khmer Nation, please stop spending time blaiming each others and point fingers - we all khmer should spend as much time (include govt)to think and tratigize, and commit to build Khmer nation, to not only compete with each other with dinity respect to oneself, and each others in order to build our nation to compete with our neighbors within the region and the world.


Best to all those have their heart for Khmer people and Khmer Nation on this V-day. Happy Khmer Nation's Day :~))

Indra Devi



"during the upcoming Valentine's Day in Cambodia, a non-governmental organization in cooperation with Cambodian authorities is ready to distribute free of charge of 20,000 condoms"

Anonymous said...

5:46 PM,

You too have written very well as a response. I have nothing to add, you have said it all beautifully.

I am glad you did read her article.

Anonymous said...

(2:06am or Indra Devi)

I like your idea posted above. But please be kind enough to show us khmer the kind of strategies that you mentioned. What can an impoverished country do to better th lives of its citizen when cambodia is so divided between the rich and the poor>? I hope you have time to response.

Anonymous said...

2:06AM,

You might just have set yourself up. You had the time in the world to prepare your speech but....well I want to hear your strategies as well. Tick Tock Tick Tock!

Anonymous said...

have did they do it in america? they have the welfare system, collected taxes and create law to determine the qualification based on income level, etc... this is one solution, to adopt the system from other successful countries out there. cambodia can't just ignore the suffering of its people, you know.

also, what you do think those people who abused their income by gambling, wasteful spending and not enough savings, etc... now that could be another social issue. so, don't blame the gov't for social problems. people created social problems, gov't just try to regulate it, that's all. think about it ok! there ought to be a better system put into place in cambodia, really! be proactive about it helps!

Anonymous said...

2:06 AM u’ve some ability to see certain form or artifice of thing but certainly not its substances. Don’t try to draw from the real issue to hide another horrible thing. The question is does Cambodia is really independent to decide its destiny or do those who ruled Cambodia since decades are just a tools of other to use against Khmer people. Does polpot or cpp government is created or toppled in power to serve Khmer interest or something else. Does it is really a Khmer gov or just a tool of other? Khmer rouge are not stupid, cpp people are not stupid, they know what they do, they are created and handled to do that jobs and they did it well. Only your people who stupid enough not to see or understand it and left killed by it. By the way, the conflict between the rich and poor people during seventy is not real one. It was handled by Vietcong/Vietminh as motor to create Khmer rouge movement in order to use it to kill Khmer people, and first of all these poor people who yuons think they are dark skin people, damn stupid and barbaric so they don’t merit to live. If you still think the way you think, you and your parents will not only kill by these assassins but piss off by them. You should not spit and piss off on the grave of your parents and your people and think that you are the best.

Anonymous said...

Still waiting, 2:06 am.

Anonymous said...

Hummmm! kinky Theary. This is a quote from your writing above "let her skin and scrape her knees a little". Did you mean your knees got a rug burn?

Don't blame me that I didn't read.

Anonymous said...

people need a safe place to go for help in cambodia. if there's no such place, they become despair.

Anonymous said...

From Indra Devi,

Just want to let you know that I am a Khmer women. I have 24 hrs per day like everybody els. I know that God doesn't gives anyone of us more than 24 hrs per day. One can make oneself useful, more productive and efficient in what one does - by asking oneself "What I can do that will use the least of my time for the better of the greatest good!!". Or one can use the same question "what is the least amount of time that I can use to inflict the most pain to the greatest number of people or the fastest way that I can sale my motherland to foreigners - this is what the current govt. is doing by confiscating the poor from their place in the name of development. But one is well know that this is just a window dressint of disgrace act upon motherland and her people.) Anyway, just like I had stated earlier, that no need to point fingers. And for your knowledge - govt is made up of individual people. The individual people that has title come with power as well as responsibility( one cannot use one power to abuse without responsibility to oneself(dinity), one people that one suppose to governce, and protect).

In respond 2:06 am still waiting - Just to let you know that I am a wife, a mother, a teacher and a student. and what strategies that I should have - for the time being - you can just read the Cambodian development strategies for the next five years - those are already good trategies. What these trategies need are implementation, budget allocation,and monitoring that needed (need progress indicator).

And for those of you is not as busy as I am right now, you can contribute possitively to your motherland. Remember "mother milk is very expensive" to give you life. For me by paying attention, and try to understand my motherland is the least I can do for the time being. This is to show that my mother milk had not gone wasted. And I am sure that all of you can do too, don't let your mother milk gone wasted - help rebuild your motherland.

My love and my heart belong to my motherland (Khmer nation).

sign off - Indra devi

Anonymous said...

Indra devi,

according to you, "you can just read the Cambodian development strategies for the next five years - those are already good trategies."

Oh please! don't give us unattainable strategies of the current cambo govt.

Anonymous said...

indra devi, am wondering why u focus only on artifics rather than substances, or you have no shit ability to handle it or you weird enough to pass over it or may be there are other reasons

by the way, Indradevi wrote in one word, not two separated words -


poster 4:01 AM

Anonymous said...

Dear Indra Devi

Thank you for your unshakable love for the nation, and I hope with this kind of passion and patriotism, Cambodia will have a brighter future.

However, I think your statement:
"what is the least amount of time that I can use to inflict the most pain to the greatest number of people or the fastest way that I can sale my motherland to foreigners - this is what the current govt. is doing by confiscating the poor from their place in the name of development." is unhelpful to your (our) efforts to move the country forward. I am not saying it's wrong, but it definitely causes more harm than good.

People have their own view of the government, why wasting times to argue who's wrong and who's right? At the end of the day we're more frustrated at each others. Why not discuss on somethings that we can all agree and work together or find a better to express our view without hurting others.

Have a memorable Valentine day!

Anonymous said...

Theary seng, you are right, we have only one life to live, 24 h/day to work and live but each people have different priority in life. Some may use life to learn, to understand thing around them, some to earn wealth, to earn some love, some friendship, some rare; love to help, some are born to kill and to afflict pain to other but the worse is the one who believe one did right thing in one’s whole life while she/he is on the other side of what one’s believe. There is no worse thing in this world than children of the killing victims serve and protect those who killed one own parents or people no matter what one can believe.

your parents marit better

Anonymous said...

To 2:43 AM

I'm glad you read her article as well. Please take her out for a dring sometime. She needs friend that she can be trust (of course, trust need to be earn).

Indra Devi

Anonymous said...

Theary Seng,

Someday someone will recognize you and your work. Please keep working on finding ways to improve our nation.

Anonymous said...

It is purely economics. It is all about scales. Prostitution exists everywhere, Europe, America or Asia. On the other hand, rules of "neary kroup laak" also exist in every nation's conservatist population. The magnified situation in Cambodia is due to the scale of the country's poverty and economic reality.

As an individual, I learn to respect every woman's differences, whether she is a prostitute, or a "neary kroup laak" I follow my heart when I love someone, and if the love is returned, I would even devote my whole life to make that person happy. Yes, even she is a prostitute!

Live is too short! Love unconditionally.

Anonymous said...

Correction to 9:42 AM:...conservative

Anonymous said...

Choose your best option if you a choice.

Proverbs 31

1The words of king Lemuel, the prophecy that his mother taught him.

2What, my son? and what, the son of my womb? and what, the son of my vows?

3Give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings.

4It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:

5Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.

6Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.

7Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.

8Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction.

9Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

10Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.

11The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.

12She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.

13She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.

14She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar.

15She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.

16She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.

17She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.

18She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.

19She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.

20She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.

21She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.

22She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.

23Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.

24She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.

25Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.

26She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.

27She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.

28Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.

29Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.

30Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.

31Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.

This may be far beyond one's reach to attain such a platitude of character. May be Theary Seng is nearing to attaining it?

Anonymous said...

cambodia is changing with time, hello! people are more civilized now. they dressed nice, they are intelligent, they live better, they shift from survival mode to a normal way of living like any industrial countries out there, etc... they also want more freedom for themselves, their children, what they want and need. people in cambodia is beginning to wake up now. god bless cambodia.

Anonymous said...

people in cambodia are also better educated now. they also have choice to travel overseas, have opportunity for education overseas, and they learned from the world; they are not confined only to cambodia. god bless cambodia.

Anonymous said...

yes, cambodia is getting more advanced nowadays. there are cell phones, people drive more cars now. and cambodia is using more technology now than in the past. so, live is getting better and better in cambodia. soon, the entire country will advance. god bless cambodia. even khmer people way of thinking is starting to change toward the global thinking. cambodia is getting better and better everyday, really!

Anonymous said...

To: Have a memorable Valentine day!

Please read my statement again - and be clear that I'm not pointing fingers (I am sure as you well awear that one figher toward others, the three fingers are back upon onself - because we are all human and we're all have human nature - each of us capable to be goods as well as to be bad!). In addition - people that have title -and those title come with responsibility!! Event the title and labor such as mother, father, teacher, etc - these words (title) comes with responsibility (just difference degree of responsibility).

I hope you read buddhism - please be fully understand the four nobles truth and the eightfold paths. Once you read something - please don't just try to see what you want to see and take it all out of contact.

And to the Love unconditionally - if you believe that one love is only purely for economic purpose - it would be more difficult for you to understand true love when it past by you, because you can only see any loves that come your way have the economic attach to that.

May all Khmer heart be open to differences and understand one own potential of helping our nation!

Happy V-day to all that share this blogging.

Indra Devi

Anonymous said...

I have a song for you Theary Seng

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrOddarMeanChey#p/a/f/0/Wk3budBLVTU

Anonymous said...

I agree that Cambodia now aday is more advanced than Cambodia in the past. True, even young people are way too advanced when it comes to style, technology etc.. But don't forget the majority of Cambodians still live under poverty. WOMEN and CHILDREN need to be educated. So (cambodians) needs to focus on how to create more jobs.

Anonymous said...

Hello all of you Khmer ladies out there,

I personally love all of you ladies on Valentine's day, the kind of love and care as brother and sister because I don't have any brother and sister as you all may have but you all. Take care, love you all as always!!!

Anonymous said...

Indra devi sounds like Neary Kroup Lak because she understands true love.

A woman said...

11.26 AM, you should learn to appreciate when you see one.

Anonymous said...

her lips must be good at giving a blowjob. C'mon Theary Seng, I assure you I'll give you a mouthful of my cum!

Anonymous said...

Indra Devi, you misread my writing. I was just trying to say that the "bad girls" or "losing values" problems in cambodia as described by Theary exist in the whole world - sex for money is ECONOMICS.

Loving unconditionally means I don't judge the values in superficial.

Anonymous said...

From Indra Davi
to: 11:26 AM

Thank for your comment - I believe that my parents had taught us well about khmer values. But for me - I just seperate the core vs. noncore of Khmer value to live in America. I always belive that I am khmer, but my friends told me that I'm not because I talk fast, walk fast, and love to laugh to clean Joke:))

to: 1:33 PM
I am sure that you are Khmer men and had know her well. What I want to say is that you are incapable of keeping seperate between public and private space. As you well know that she is play a significant in the public. If you could not attack her in publie space, why do you want to bring your private space to you as well as to her. But bring up this issue suppore to make you a better man? But what I see is that you are not only incapable of keeping your thing in your pants, but also like the old khmer said you are incapabe of keeping your month close - like an old pot without a cover.

Please give yourself some dinity of being a Khmer men.

to:1:39 PM. Thank you for clearify me on this. Yes, I am indeed miss reading your writing.

Wish you all have a wonderful night. Thanks for all comment with civilize language:~)) Will read you all next time.

Indra Devi - sign off

Anonymous said...

IT IS DISHEARTENING TO SEE Theary Seng RESORTS TO DISGUISE HERSELF AND USES A RATHER PROMINENT NAME, INDRA DEVI, TO HIDE HER TRUE IDENTITY THEN PROCEEDS WITH OFF THE WALL MUMBO JUMBO TO PROVOKE RESPONSES FROM BLOGGERS IN ORDER TO FILL UP HER OWN BLOG. THIS IS LOW. VERY LOW INDEED.

IT IS OBVIOUS THAT SHE IS SO DESPERATE TO ATTRACT MORE RESPONSES FOR HER EVER DYING POSTINGS AND PROMOTE HER NEVER-SO CLEAR AND CONFUSING PURPOSE AND AGENDA.

DOES SHE HAVE A QUOTA TO MEET EACH MONTH IN ORDER FOR HER TO MEET A HAND-OUT'S REQUIREMENTS?

I AM RATHER AMUSED YET DISMAYED TO SEE HER ATTEMPT TO MISLEAD PEOPLE BY PURPOSEFULLY MISSPELL SOME OF THE COMMON WORDS AND GIVE FALSE BIOGRAPHY AS A MOTHER, TEACHER, ...ETC. SHE CAN BE SMELLED A MILE AWAY.

THIS IS CALLED DECEIVING, LYING, AND A MIS-REPRESENTATION.

Anonymous said...

7:35PM,

Thanks. You just confirm my suspicion.

I think one of the problems with Khmers is that they always want to be famous, or hold a VIP status/title without earning it!

Anonymous said...

From Indra Devi
To: 7:35 PM

Sorry about your comment. You just assume that Theary is infiltrate herself as one of the bloggers. When you assume, you just make an "ass-u-me" - which mean that you just make an "ass" out of "u" and "me". In addition is that I can see your problems here - is that you are incapable to see only Theary Seng can write something like this. But within you mind - don't you think that some other Khmer women are capable engage with blogging on multiple issues such as this one. My bloggers's friends - Don't "assume" - in addition if you are not clear on some comment you can be civilize enough like 8:28 pm as to clearify through the blog.

To: 8:28 pm.

I agreed with you: "I think one of the problems with Khmers is that they're always want to be famous, or hold a VIP status/title without earning it!"

I think that Cambodian just creat an inflation with these title and this status. Just like in economic, what most of the students in the basic economics understand is that when the govt. print currency and inject money into economy to help govt. in the short-run to help their staff and all the expense that govt. need. But without produce or creat goods and services enough to meet the need in the society - it only creat inflation - a lot of money chasing after a few goods. Yes, this is the same with title and VIP that have been given themselves - it is nice to feel good with title, but these title come with responsibility and be able to produce result. In the long-run, if these cannot creat result - these many title will chasing a few results. Thus, in this it is already people to make something in order to be recognize - just like the H.E. that try to cooperate with the NGO to donate 20,000 condoms free to the public. Well, 8:28 pm. - thanks for sharing the blog.

Indra devi - sign off

Anonymous said...

Indra Devi, forget about 07:35pm, that person is just a disgruntle poster. you can't make everybody happy.
You are modest and seem well versed in economics. you brought up a solid point regarding "title" inflation in cambodia. The questio n I want to pose to you is: what factors attribute to today's economic recession in Cambodia? You don't have to answer and are not obligated to.

Anonymous said...

10:12 AM,

what recession? cambodia is experiencing a boom in "star" manufacturing! gold stars, oknhas, Ph D's, and shitloads of their "excellencies!

Anonymous said...

10:28am crack me up, you made my day! You should be a comedian.

Anonymous said...

From Indra Devi,
To: 10:12 am.

"The questio n I want to pose to you is: what factors attribute to today's economic recession in Cambodia? You don't have to answer and are not obligated to."

I would love to respond to your question - but I am sure that you have knowledge on economics lesson as well the way you had pick my point about title inflation in Cambodia. One thing I want to say for the time being is that Cambodian ecnomics does not opperate in the isolation from international eocnomy. In fact - as you can see that almost 70% and over 20 % of Cambodian garment export depend on US and EU market respectively. Thus, one the end users in these market have no jobs - they would be able to buy does in turn would stop buy from Cambodia as well as garments from other countries such as China, Bangladesh, etc. During the Cold War period - once said; that when American sneeze - the rest of the world catch cold. Now Cold War is ended. The new term would be that when American stop buying - the rest of the world would lost their job (and Cambodian is no exception in this case - thus, Cambodia govt. need to start diversify their industries - not just realize on garment and tourism industries, etc). I know that Cambodian govt. realize this as well - but Cambodian need a strong education for the chritical mass of the population that could be move from labor intensive industries into value added industries.

Another major thing that contribute to the recession in Cambodia is the over inflate price of real estate (bubble ...than..) Just like in the US. Estate price now down more than 30% in some States.

OK 10:12 am I know that you would understand this. Next time, if you have some name that you want to give yourself - I would welcome.

Best to you,

Sign off - Indra Devi

Anonymous said...

Indra Devi aka Theary Seng,

You are trying very hard to carry on as if nothing has happened. Because you realize that it is detrimental to your career and image if you get caught and pinned down. So you have to continue your charade. Shame on you!

Anonymous said...

From Indra Devi,

To: 7:18 pm.

Can you tell me why you have so much anger in your soul toward This woman? In addition - have she done any good things for the Khmer people that you could think off?

7:18 pm - the "seed of compassion" even toward your enermy worth a long ways.

For the time being, I am sure that theary would laugh off at your ignorance!

Again - in your little mind (In your head - the upper one, not the lower one) - if there a room that you could think off that some other Khmer women could be blogging on this matter as well!

Wish you have an open mind toward other Khmer people.

Sign off - Indra Devi