While I understand the outrage among many Khmer quarters of the latest "declaration" of 100% support to Mr. Hun Sen by citizen Norodom Sihanouk, I don't think it is fair for us to revise history to adapt to our outrage. For example, when I read the challenge posted on KI-Media stating: "When Hun Sen and his Viet controlled regime took over, Sihanouk was there and had been (in his own words) behind it 100%, since", I believe that this statement is misleading and false. As much as the Cambodian monarchy disgusts me, the distortion of history disgusts me even more.
You all know full well that then-prince Sihanouk was no supporter of the Heng Samrin regime when it was installed by the Vietnamese invading army – a regime in which Mr. Hun Sen was an integral part of. Quite to the contrary to the statement above, then-prince Sihanouk was part of the force that resisted the Vietnamese occupation of Cambodia during the 80s. With Mr. Hun Sen’s strong grip of power in Cambodia, then-king Sihanouk changed his mind and, for the sake of his son’s throne, shifted his position to provide support for Cambodia’s Strongman, to the chagrin of many of Cambodians. That much is history, but the blanket statement above is false and a manipulation of history by taking citizen Sihanouk’s statement out of its context.
I am also amazed and puzzled that nobody would stand up to correct the statement above. You may shoot me down for my position, curse me and accuse me of defending an indefensible institution, history is history, whether it is bad or good, and you cannot distort it to fit your position. Today, you bend history to fit your need and no one say anything about it, tomorrow, when Strongman Hun Sen bends history to claim that he is the hero-liberator of Cambodia, rather than the invading Vietnamese soldiers, will you remain silent as well? Where is your sense of fairness or fair play?
As always, I remain open to all your criticisms.
I thank you for your time,
P. from Long Beach
For reference, please find below a short but somewhat accurate history of citizen Sihanouk posted on Wikipedia.
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In Khmer Rouge captivity
When the Khmer Republic fell to the Khmer Rouge in April 1975, Prince Sihanouk became the symbolic head of state of the new régime while Pol Pot remained in power. Sihanouk, who had imagined living like a retired country gentleman and perhaps being 'a public relations man for [his] country and have [...] jazz parties and do some filming'[7] was to spend the next few years virtually as a hostage of the Khmer Rouge. The next year, on April 4 1976, the Khmer Rouge forced Sihanouk out of office again and into political retirement. During the Vietnamese invasion, he was sent to New York to speak against Vietnam before The United Nations. After his speech, he sought refuge in China and in North Korea.
The Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia in December 1978 ousted the Khmer Rouge. While welcoming the ousting of the Khmer Rouge government, he remained firmly opposed to the Vietnamese-installed Heng Samrin government of People's Republic of Kampuchea. Hence, Sihanouk demanded Cambodia's seat in the UN be left vacant, since neither Pol Pot regime nor Heng Samrin represented the Khmer people[8]. Although claiming to be wary of the Khmer Rouge and demanding that the Khmer Rouge representatives that still held Cambodia's UN seat be expelled[9], Sihanouk again joined forces with them in order to provide a united front against the Vietnamese occupation. It has been argued that one of the reasons was the US pressure to work with the Khmer Rouge[10]. In 1982, he moved completely into opposition of the Vietnam-supported government, becoming President of the Coalition Government of Democratic Kampuchea (CGDK), which consisted of his own Armée Nationale Sihanoukiste (ANS), Son Sann's Khmer People's National Liberation Front (KPNLF), and the Khmer Rouge. The Vietnamese withdrew in 1989, leaving behind a pro-Vietnamese government under ex-Khmer Rouge cadre Hun Sen to run the People's Republic of Kampuchea (PRK).
United States support
In the late 1980s and early 1990s, Sihanouk's opposition forces drew limited military and financial support from the United States, which sought to assist his movement as part of the Reagan Doctrine effort to counter Soviet and Vietnamese involvement in Cambodia. One of the Reagan Doctrine's principal architects, the Heritage Foundation's Michael Johns, visited with Sihanouk's forces in Cambodia in 1987, and returned to Washington urging expanded U.S. support for the KPLNF and Sihanouk's resistance forces as a third alternative to both the Vietnamese-installed and supported Cambodian government and the Khmer Rouge, which also was resisting the government.[11]
Restoration as King
Peace negotiations between the CGDK and the PRK commenced shortly thereafter and continued until 1991 when all sides agreed to a comprehensive settlement which they signed in Paris. Prince Sihanouk returned once more to Cambodia on 14 November 1991 after thirteen years in exile.
In 1993, Sihanouk once again became King of Cambodia. During the restoration, however, he suffered from ill health and traveled repeatedly to Beijing for medical treatment.
Sihanouk's leisure interests include music (he has composed songs in Khmer, French, and English) and film. He has become a prodigious filmmaker over the years, directing many movies and orchestrating musical compositions. He became one of the first heads of state in the region to have a personal website, which has proven a cult hit. It draws more than a thousand visitors a day, which constitutes a substantial portion of his nation's Internet users. Royal statements are posted there daily.
Self-exile and abdication
Sihanouk went into self-imposed exile in January 2004, taking up residence in Pyongyang, North Korea[12] and later in Beijing, People's Republic of China. Citing reasons of ill health, he announced his abdication of The Throne on October 7 2004. Sihanouk was diagnosed with B-Cell Lymphoma in his prostate in 1993; the disease recurred in his stomach in 2005, and a new cancer was found in December 2008. Sihanouk also suffers from diabetes and hypertension.[13]
The constitution of Cambodia has no provision for an abdication. Chea Sim, the President of the Senate, assumed the title of acting Head of State (a title he has held many times before), until the Throne Council met on October 14 and appointed H.R.H. Prince Norodom Sihamoni, one of Sihanouk's sons, as the new King.
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I am glad this post is up in the defense of King Father Sihanouk. I went back and reread the author Ly Diep's commentary and I must say that I refuse to follow his logic. I don't know when the bad blood got started but obviously the author Ly Diep is not a big fan of the King Father. He made this comment: "Some of you hate Hun Sen as poop while you people adore Sihanouk. However, Sihanouk carry Hun Sen the poop on his head 100%." Then author Ly Diep posted these questions:
(1) Can Sihanouk the poop supporter solve the border issues or find the exact locations of the border posts?
(2) Can Sihanouk the poop supporters get the Kampuchea Krom territory back?
(3) Can Sihanouk the poop supporter stop the flowing pressure of illegal Vietnamese immigrants into Cambodia?
(4) Can Sihanouk the poop supporter prevent Cambodia from becoming a part of the Vietnamese IndoChina Federation?
(5) Reminder: Sihanouk the poop supporter participated with the Khmer Rouge team in killing 3 millions Cambodians.
I am sorry but this author is way too many emotional and way too biased in words and not on facts. King Sihanouk had done many things to improve Cambodia. He paid his due. I don't know why the author Ly Diep refuses to acknowledge the good deeds the King Father did for Cambodia.
I want the author Ly Diep to solve the issues he posted ealier. It is uncalled for for him to attack King Father in such an emotional way.
P of long Beach is playing technicalities here, eh?
Is this
"... Sihanouk was there and had been (in his own words) behind it 100%, since..."
any different, regardless of the political circumstaces Sihanouk had been facing, than what P of long beach has put here?
"With Mr. Hun Sen’s strong grip of power in Cambodia, then-king Sihanouk changed his mind and, for the sake of his son’s throne, shifted his position to provide support for Cambodia’s Strongman, to the chagrin of many of Cambodians."
Isn't that the point that one is saying that Siahanouk is a flip-flopper poitically to the detriment of Cambodia and Khmer people not to mention the loss of more than 1.7 million of Khmer-little-People life.
Slice it or sugar-coat it however one wants, but P of long beach mistook a just-a-question as a history-is-history already?
Now, who's and what is P of Long Beach?
Re: Today, you bend history to fit your need and no one say anything about it, tomorrow, when Strongman Hun Sen bends history to claim that he is the hero-liberator of Cambodia, rather than the invading Vietnamese soldiers, will you remain silent as well? Where is your sense of fairness or fair play?
Hey P from long Beach,
Don't you think you are underestimating just a bit if not outrightly insulting younger Khmer generation intelligence here?
Please do answer the question. Thanks.
It may be best for you just go back to collect the oldies for KI-Media to enjoy, old P from Long Beach!
Honestly, I like you better thay way. Or you'd rather want to partner with Rannarith in this so-called Funcipec 81 venture of his?
Regardless, take it easy Grampa P!
this is what they call long bitch, xeng 4 da xongs
fucking guy in long bitch!
Ah sihanouk is the Khmer traitor allowing the country to collapse till this day coz of his fucking romantic love affairs wiz Mee Monich, a viet spy. How can u say when ah Fucking guy Sihanouk allowed Vietcong troops to cross n stay in Cambodian territory during the VN war in late 1960s? That's the main course of his crazy n flipflop so-called neutrality and impartiality policy. Coz what? Coz this king like to fuck and love VN pussy? That's it. Ah sihanouk n current monarch can cheat only the farmers, but they cannot wiz others! Want to know how many pussies ah Sihanouk have eaten? Ha? I like KI-Media to dig out/explore more abt his fucking Monich's biography or real background? Who knows, may be she is a Yuon spy like mee Ang Mei during Ah Chey Jetha II regime? History is history rite???
Mr. P,
Thank you very much for the courage to defend recent Cambodian history.
I am with you and agree that history should not be distorted to serve any purpose.
History must be told as it is for it to be considered history; otherwise, it has become a propaganda.
Anet Khmer
ធ្វើមនុស្សត្រូវចេះបត់បែបតាមសភាពការ ទើបមានបាន ហើយសោយសុខជាដរាប។
សព្វថ្ងៃនេះ គេមិនត្រូវកាន់ពាក្យសច្ចះពេកទេ
។ អ្នកខ្លះជាគូសត្រូវយើងនៅថ្ងៃនេះ តែថ្ងៃស្អែក ប្រហែលក្លាយជាមិត្តយើងផងក៏មិនដឹង ។
មនុស្សរឹងរូស មិនព្រមបត់បែនតាមកាលះទេសះ គឺនឹងត្រូវនិនាសមុនគេ ។ សម្លឹងមើលចុះ !
ថ្នាក់ដឹកនាំយួនកម្មុនិស្ដមួយចំនួន គឺធ្លាប់ជាសត្រូវនិងអាមេរិកាំង សព្វថ្ងៃ ពួកទាំងនេះ បែរជាក្លាយទៅជាមិត្តភ័ក្ករបស់អាមេរិកាំងទៅវិញ ។ ដូចយ៉ាងលោកហ៊ុនសែន កាលពីឆ្នាំ៨០ផ្លាយ លោកធ្លាប់ជេរអ្នកដឹកនាំចិន យ៉ាងចាស់ដៃ
សព្វថ្ងៃ លោកហ៊ុនសែនបែរជាគោរពនិងសរសើរ ថ្នាក់ដឹកនាំចិន ដូចបិតាខ្លួន ។ដូច្នេះ ការដែលសម្ដេចតា ប្រកាសគាំទ្រអត្តិភាព លោកហ៊ុនសែនជានាយករដ្ឋមន្រ្តី សម្រាប់ឆ្នាំ២០១៣នោះ គឺជាមិនមែនជារឿងចម្លែកឡើយ ។
ព្រោះថា លោកហ៊ុនសែនជាបេក្ខជន តែមួយគត់ ដែលមានប្រជាប្រិយភាពជាងគេ ។ ហើយមានពលរដ្ឋដ៏ច្រើនលើសលប់គាំទ្រផង
។ដូចជារឿងក្នុងក្រុមគ្រួសារ អចឹង ! តើមានប៉ុន្មានដង រួចមកហើយ ដែលប្រពន្ធៗរបស់អស់លោក
បានប្ដេជ្ញាចិត្ត លែងលះពួកលោក ? ដូច្នេះ
ធ្វើជាមនុស្ស ត្រូវចេះចូលស្ទឹងតាមបត់ ចូលស្រុកតាមប្រទេស ។
ចំណែកឯប្រវត្តសាស្រ្តវិញ ថ្ងៃក្រោយ វានឹងទៅជាយ៉ាងណានោះ គឺវាអាស្រ័យតែទៅលើនិន្នាការរបស់មនុស្សភាគច្រើន ។ សុច្ចរិត និង ទុច្ចរិត គឺចែកគ្នាមិនដាច់ឡើយ អ្វីទាំងឡាយៗ គឺវាថិតនៅលើការបដិបត្តិតែប៉ុណ្ណោះ ៕
testing the water
the royal is trying to make a come back with ranarit is their leader, while sihanouk is pampering hun sen
if the water flowing the royal's way, P of long beach would probably get something. i don't know. maybe chair, table, etc.
Dear All,
I agree with poster 11:22AM to some extend. There is no real ennemy and no real friend in politic. But that is only acceptable when you are applying western politic between right wing and left wing. But for politic to destroy Cambodia completely and to kill Cambodian people to open the country for foreigners to replace their own citizen, is not acceptable. There are some good points from Lauk Ly Diep. But may be he is too extrem nationalism. But to distinguish the bad leaders from good National leaders is very normal.
Sihanouk is very far out from being to be respected for his flip flop character.
Areak Prey
Dear P. from Long Beach,
I think your initial statement may be right misleading!
"For example, when I read the challenge posted on KI-Media stating: "When Hun Sen and his Viet controlled regime took over, Sihanouk was there and had been (in his own words) behind it 100%, since", I believe that this statement is misleading and false."
Not really! Because it indicates the times when the King father supports Hun sen, certainly not when he was fighting against him (Hun Sen) otherwise you would be as confused as the King father.
However If you interpret this as misleading than it may be is misleading but to go further as to re-write history I think not! critic writing in the forum such as this is not an academic paper, in this regards you should have faith in the academic (of course not the CPP member of academic style) they would not use piece of critic such as this as evidence.
lamenting the Challenger's writing as re-writing history is just going a little too far in this debate.
Koun Khmer
Dear P. from Long Beach,
I think your initial statement may be right misleading!
"For example, when I read the challenge posted on KI-Media stating: "When Hun Sen and his Viet controlled regime took over, Sihanouk was there and had been (in his own words) behind it 100%, since", I believe that this statement is misleading and false."
Not really! Because it indicates the times when the King father supports Hun sen, certainly not when he was fighting against him (Hun Sen) otherwise you would be as confused as the King father.
However If you interpret this as misleading than it may be is misleading but to go further as to re-write history I think not! critic writing in the forum such as this is not an academic paper, in this regards you should have faith in the academic (of course not the CPP member of academic style) they would not use piece of critic such as this as evidence.
lamenting the Challenger's writing as re-writing history is just going a little too far in this debate.
Koun Khmer
WHATEVER...... Sihanouk, Hun Sen, Rannariddh, including Kem Sokha all are the same birds flocking together in Youn's Zoo.
I'm with U on that 1:30PM
GP-LB,
I only thought that you're good of service to Ki's blogger with all these romantic songs - especially toward Yeay Tep, but not that you are well inform with Khmer's politic as well. Why don't you jump in earlier? Why waite until now? Is it trues that you are interest in picking up some chair or table back in Phnom Penh? Is this is just a show of politic interest of individual/group rather than the interest of the Khmer people as a whole?
Where are you standing in the political spectrum in Cambodian political arena? Or are you blow with the undependable of political's win?
Generation X
GP - can I assume that you are supporting Mr. Pock Thank (?spelling) with H.e. Prince Ranariddh? If you do, I will be sad...just hope you're not! Are you?
Koun Khmer,
Thanks for your point - put a bit of critical thinking on this matters, thus it needs an object with sources to support the claim! I suppore scholar made in US/not made in Vietname to bring out some real light (with sources to back up the claim) on this issue. If Koun Khmer would like to pick up this topic for the next Neatee Koun Khmers...I wouldn't mind. It could be an issue for intertainment for our bloggers.
Thanks in advance,
From your humble and mutual respect's friend.
Hi P you must be a bored old man that collecting SSI and had nothing to better?
If I do not under estimate a bout your boring live you perhaps looking for a piece of the Pie from the roten stinky Cambodian monarchy?
By the way if you are thinking about money ,young ladies like Sihaknuk and Ranorith please be patient with your welfare money it easy with your risky life in Cambodia sometimes who knows you might end up with AIDS positive?
Thank YOU
W San Diego
P. of LB,
I agreed with you 100%.
MOHA BANDIT
P. of Long Beach and all KI media readers,
This site is filled with disinformation and readers must be aware.
It tends on an opposition side, it is racist against vietnamese and often changes the names of the cambodian leaders.
Should it rename to Khmer Stupidity?
Dear 12;35 PM,
I did not post the above comment (12:34 pm). Our fellow Khmers use this generic name just to say that he is also Koun Khmer which is great. We all are.
My post will always have a link to my profile which I have not set up.
I already focused on political institutions in our next discussion, but there are plenty of time to talk about this issue.
I just want to clarify my position and do not want to take credit for what I did not do.
Koun Khmer
Dear Houn Khmer, 9:03pm,
Thanks for clarifying this. I didn't think that was you, but I have to give you a benefit of the doubt - just in case you want to entertain us without sufficient sources to back up. Which I know that is not your charector that I have come to know. Thus, that is why if it is you (Koun Khmer - that I trust), you would pick up the issues and share with us with your sufficient sources to back up your claim!
Your humble and mutual respect's friend.
As always - I remain
P, thanks for the voice of reason. As much as we don't like the past and current mistakes of these leaders, there should not be any twisting of the facts. People have to also put things in the proper perspectives and contexts along with correct facts. To do otherwise, would render us to be the same things and people we are condemning.
10:49 AM,
Yes, I agreed with you - twisting and flowering up the facts is not useful to anybody and only cost more damage and further divide Khmers.
Thus, I would like to call upon Khmer elders intellectual and scholars to please come out and share the knowledge and the true with all Koun Khmers. All Khmers need to have a better understand of our history and the inter-generational understanding of each others. Thus, only the true will give us the a buility to trust and understand each others so that we are all can be unit and move forward to health ourselves and build our nation!
P-LB, please share with our bloggers more of your views on Khmers' issues. And of course I'm still appreciate all your beautiful songs!
Ki's team, if you could, please move this article toward the latest time so that more people can have access to this discussion.
Thanks,
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