Tuesday, May 31, 2011

"To let them walk away because they are old means they would get away with it": Brad Adams

"Old age should not afford protection to people who committed very serious crimes — that's not a defense": A warning to the former KR

Decrease Increase Aging, ill war crimes suspects still face trials

Tuesday, May 31, 2011
By GREGORY KATZ
The Associated Press

LONDON — It has become a common sight: an elderly, shrunken, hollow-eyed suspect brought to trial decades after being accused of horrific war crimes. They may be too aged to fully participate in their defense, or too debilitated by disease to endure a lengthy court case.

Now it is former Bosnian Serb military commander Ratko Mladic arguing he is too weak to stand trial. His lawyer said Monday that Mladic, 69, would die before his trial begins if he is extradited to the U.N. International Criminal Tribunal in The Hague to face genocide charges. He is said to have suffered several strokes and to have difficulty speaking.

Time and again, the questions have arisen: Are you ever too old or too ill to be judged for your past? Are justice and the public interest served by trying such infirm people? Most experts say it's justified — arguing responsibility doesn't diminish with age, especially set against the enormity of the crimes.

"Old age should not afford protection to people who committed very serious crimes — that's not a defense," said Efraim Zuroff, who pursues elderly Nazi war criminals with the Simon Wiesenthal Center.


"You have to keep in mind the victims who deserve that their tormenters are held accountable; the passage of time does not diminish the guilt."

Mladic follows John Demjanjuk, a 91-year-old retired U.S. autoworker convicted in Munich this month on 28,060 counts of accessory to murder. Demjanjuk's lawyers failed to convince the court that the former Nazi death camp guard was too sick to be tried because of a bone marrow disorder, kidney disease, anemia, and other ailments.

The age and medical condition of Khmer Rouge defendants is also a central issue at Cambodia's upcoming U.N.-backed tribunal, set next month to judge four of the brutal regime's top officials. The accused, ranging in age from 79 to 85, suffer from a variety of illnesses.

"To let them walk away because they are old means they would get away with it," Brad Adams, director of the Asia division of Human Rights Watch, said about the Khmer Rouge defendants. "They all appear to have some maladies but none of them have such significant illnesses that they are not competent to stand trial"

He said the Cambodian suspects are accused of masterminding the slaughter of up to two million people in their own country and should not be excused simply because they are infirm — or because it took so long for authorities to track them down.

"The reason they are so old is because of the failure of the states to track them down and charge them much earlier," Adams said. "They were living in Thailand and traveling around the world. It was a collective failure to deal with them."

Demjanjuk's case was one of the most extreme. After experts examined him, he was found to be fit to stand trial if hearings were limited to two 90-minute sessions per day.

He was brought to court in a wheelchair and placed in a hospital bed, where he lay listening to a translator throughout the proceedings, usually wearing dark sunglasses with a baseball cap pulled down low over his face. A doctor and paramedics remained in the court room throughout the trial. Roughly a dozen sessions were canceled for health reasons, including the need for blood transfusions.

Zuroff said it's imperative to try even ailing war crimes suspects in order to prevent future atrocities.

"There's also obviously the deterrence issue — it shows that if you commit a crime like that, that even many years later an effort will be made to bring you to trial."

And he said Mladic — and others who use this delaying tactic — are usually not as ill as they claim.

"These defendants become ten times worse than they really are as part of a public show to try and elicit sympathy," he said.

In Cambodia, International Co-prosecutor Andrew Cayley said there is a strong public interest in trying the Khmer Rouge defendants.

"The public here want them tried," he said. "They want this case done as quickly as possible. After all the four accused are alleged to have murdered over a million and a half of their own people. Nobody I know thinks age is a bar to vigorously addressing that fact."

He said the defendants — former head of state Khieu Samphan, chief ideologue Nuon Chea, former Social Affairs Minister Ieng Thirith, and ex-foreign minister Ieng Sary — will receive quality medical care and monitoring during the trial. The top Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot died in 1998.

Theary Seng, a human rights lawyer whose parents were killed by the Khmer Rouge, said the fact that more than three decades have passed since the atrocities were committed has lessened the quality of the justice she and other victims will receive. She said victims are "bracing" for the possibility that one or two defendants will die before a verdict is reached.

"We are beyond the issues of fairness," she said. "It's an issue what is the highest quality of justice we can achieve in light of all the limitations and obstacles in our way. The advanced age of these four defendants is certainly one of the principal obstacles to quality justice. From the current standpoint, it's pretty shoddy justice we victims are getting from the Court."

If Mladic, accused in the 1995 slaughter of some 8,000 civilians in Srebrenica, is ultimately extradited, he would receive good medical care while detained at the war crimes tribunal in The Hague, officials said.

Spokeswoman Nerma Jelacic said the tribunal has a clinic that can provide assistance "around the clock" and can also take suspects to civilian hospitals if needed.

Nonetheless, its most high profile suspect, former Serb president Slobodan Milosevic, died of a heart attack in his cell in 2006, forever escaping judgment.

The tribunal's procedures are notoriously slow. The trial of Bosnian Serb political leader Radovan Karadzic began in 2009 and is still not finished.

Still, Zumra Sehomeriovic, a Bosnian woman whose husband was killed in Srebrenica, said prosecution of Mladic is necessary.

"This is proof that this type of crime never gets old and that the perpetrators will face justice," she said.
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David Rising in Berlin, Mike Eckel in Phnom Penh, Grant Peck in Bangkok, and Aida Cerkez in Sarajevo contributed to this report.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

to be avoid a war of personal must be wait their old and unable to work and step down .so we all can get peace and comfortable.

Anonymous said...

Is alway take a white or a foreigner person that is not Asian to tell Khmer people what is right, wrong or to do. Khmer people should know that (lazy)! Cambodia will never have peace if it dont arrest the KR murderer. 3 thing for better Khmer.
1. Jailed all the KR murderers.
2. Set Term Limit for the government
3. Protect ours Khmer boarder!

This are the 3 Very Basic that we can achieved!

Anonymous said...

agree, here. age, whether young or old, should not be allowed to be used in a case violation and crime, etc, really! rule of law only, ok! otherwise, we know people will use all kind of lame excuses for it, really! that would be professional nor ethical either, you know! teach people professionalism and ethical code of conduct, etc!

Anonymous said...

they are getting old soon, so cambodia must train and educate more young generation the art of administration, really! yes, there are more to cambodia than you and i, really! wake up and get educated, ok!

Anonymous said...

All Khmer people,

How's about Norodom Sihanouk ??

He's the Khmer people's murderer leader. Everything, the killings, Hanoi's invasion of Cambodia, Hanoi's encroachment Khmer eastern borders, land grabs,etc.... are legalized by him and his gay king son Sihakmoni.

It's logic to bring Norodom Sihanouk to be tried at ECCC for all Khmer victims to get a REAL JUSTICE.

Anonymous said...

Norodom Sihanouk should be trail and be hang asap! he the one that allowed the VC Hanio to control the country so he can be in power. All for that just being jealous of Lol Nol popularity!

Anonymous said...

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រណ្តៅនោះ។

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

In the old time Japan, a criminal has to commit suicide so it can not pass onto his family members.

As Cambodia has so much criminals walking around, it should introduce the old law of Japan to make the criminal feel responsible, and to discourage criminal and corruption activities.

Look at Japan now, even old that law do not exist anymore, crime and bribery are almost zero, the lowest in the world.

Anonymous said...

Hun Sen is traitor.

Hun Mana is a youn bitch.

Hun Mani is youn son.

Hun Manet is traitor and coward toward Vietnam and Thai. He is Youn son.

All Hun families and relatives are traitors and sell out Cambodia to Vietnam very very cheap price.

Hun To rapes alot of khmers under age girls and killed them after he rapes. He creates criminal network in Cambodia. He sells drug to Cambodia children. He is youn.

All Hun sen families and relatives are criminal involve in kill Cambodian people their hands full of cambodian blood.

Pi Anh,

Anonymous said...

EVIDENCE OF POLITICALLY-MOTIVATED EXTRAJUDICIAL EXECUTIONS AND KILLINGS OF FUNCINPEC LOYALISTS.

LIST OF INSTANCES OF EXTRAJUDICIAL EXECUTIONS during 1997 coup by PM Hun Sen. These people with their name list below were murdered by PM Hun Sen.

• Ho Sok, 45, Secretary of State at the Ministry of Interior and second ranking FUNCINPEC official in the Ministry of Interior.
• 2-3. Gen Chao Sambath, alias Ngov, Deputy-Chief of the Intelligence and Espionage Department, RCAF Supreme Command since 1993
• 4 and 5. Maj. Gen. Ly Seng Hong, Deputy-Chief of Staff, RCAF General Staff (second highest-ranking FUNCINPEC official in the RCAF General
• 6. Colonel Sok Vireak, Chief, Transmission Bureau, Army General Staff. A former KPNLF General Staff officer in charge of military training who joined Nhek Bun Chhay after the Paris Agreements. Status
• 7. Colonel Thlang Chang Sovannarith, Deputy Chief-of-Staff of the Fifth Military Region, RCAF General Staff
• 8. Colonel Hov Sambath, Deputy-chief of Military Training Bureau, RCAF General Staff
• 9. Lietenant Colonel Sao Sophal, 42, an officer of the First Bureau of the RCAF General Staff.
• 10. Navy First Lt. Thach Soeung, aged about 30, an ethnic Khmer from southern Vietnam, stationed at Dang Kaum Navy base on the eastern bank of the Tonle Sap.
• 11 to 14. Seng Phally, Lt. Col. Chao Keang, Chao Tea and Thong Vickika - security officers working under Gen. Chao Sambath.
• Seng Phally, alias Huot Phally, aged 25, single, a gendarme who worked as chief of the security team at the Pipoplok 2 Hotel/Casino
• Lt. Col. Chao Keang, aged about 25. He was an officer in the Research and Intelligence Bureau of Chao Sambath
• Chao Tea, 29, brother of Chao Keang, a security guard at the Regal Hotel/Casino. His body bore a bullet hole in the left side of the chest and in the right side of the stomach. He was also handcuffed and blindfolded
• Thong Vicchika, aged about 27-28, a body-guard of Chao Sambath and a security staff at the Regal Hotel/Casino.
• Dr. Seng Kim Ly, a military medical doctor
• Major Lak Ki, Head of Operations, Research and Intelligence, RCAF High Command
• Four unnamed body-guards of Nhek Bun Chhay were summarily executed after his office-cum-house in Somnang
• Major Lak Ki, Head of Operations, Research and Intelligence, RCAF High Command
• Pheap, a body-guard of Major Lak Ki, in his late twenties
• Dok Rany, 27, an officer and body-guard of Gen. Chao Sambath who worked at the Research and Intelligence Bureau
• Ros Huon, aged 23, Sopheap, aged 25, two alleged members of the Gendarmerie
• Dok Sokhun, alias Michael Senior, a Khmer-Canadian journalist who taught English at ACE Language School in Phnom Penh
• Major Aek Eng (CPP), Head of Administration of Phnom Penh Thmei police station

Anonymous said...

• At least four, and possibly up to 22 persons described as FUNCINPEC soldiers executed and cremated in Pich Nil on 9, 10 and 11 July 1997 by Military Region 3 soldiers. Status: Confirmed executions in at least 4 cases
• 34 to 36 (and possibly 45). On 17 July, at about noon time, the body of a soldier was witnessed floating near the bank of the Tone Bassac near the Watt Chum Leap, in the village of the same name, Rokakpong commune, Saang district, Kandal province. The body was headless and both hands were tied up behind the back with a kramma. It was dressed in dark olive military uniform
• 37 and 38. Two unidentified men, blindfolded and with their hands tied behind the back. Status: Confirmed executions
• Pheap, aged 33, a bodyguard of the First Prime Minister. Status: Confirmed execution.
• Sok Vanthorn, 21 and Sou Sal, two villagers from Ampeov village, Kompong Speu province. Status: Confirmed execution.
• Brig. Gen. Chea Rittichutt, a founding member of the Moulinaka movement and the Governor of Kep-Bokor
• Navy officer Meas Sarou, Deputy-director, First Bureau, Navy, based in Chrouy Changvar, and one of his body-guards, and a third person, a woman named Luch.
• Ung Sim, Second Deputy Governor, Kompong Speu province - missing since his arrest, reportedly near Pich Nil by CPP soldiers on 7 or 8 July 1997.
• Col. Sam Sarath, Deputy Chief-of-Staff, Third Military Region
• Put Som Ang, male, aged 42, a KNP activisit in Siem Reap province, and Sam Sophan, 38, an activist in Takeo province
• Major So Lay Sak and Major Chin Vannak, officers working in the Logisitics department of the RCAF General Staff
• Som Taing, Deputy Chief, Inspection Office, Provincial Governor's Office, Kompong Speu
• Chum Sarith, Chief, Criminal Bureau, Provincial Police, Sihanoukville
Forty-six bodies were brought in and dumped at the crematorium of a Phnom Penh pagoda between 5 and 9 July
In the case of Ho Sok (executed on 7 July, brought to Watt Lanka on 8 July); of Seng Phally, Chao Keang, Chao Tea and Thong Viccheka (executed on 5-6 July and brought by the police to Wat Unalom on the morning of 7 July - see cases number 13-16 above) and in the case of a fifth corpse which was brought to the same pagoda on the same morning, but which could not be identified, the police ordered that cremation of the bodies be conducted without question and without proper cremation permit.
Between 9 and 11 July, according to a variety of reliable corroborating accounts, the bodies of 4 and probably up to 22 soldiers were alleged to have been executed in Pich Nil and burned
Plus many and many more names with lose count that order and executed by Hun Sen and CPP.

Anonymous said...

Mr Sam Rainsy, you must find justice for the death above and all Cambodian people blood that have been murdred by PhD Dr. Hun Sen from 1970 to today.

Please Mr Sam Rainsy find justice for the death from international court such as American Court, All European Court, Australian Court, Japan Court...Don't let criminal like PhD Dr. Hun SEn get away with his crime agianst humanity.

Anonymous said...

i told you, cambodia needs reforms, set a term limits for all department heads, really! make only as few exceptions as possible, really! think big for cambodia, ok! also think development, development in all fields for cambodia, too, really! i'm sick and tired to see my country lacks behind in insfracture, development, reforms, etc, etc, you know! i want cambodia to fully developed into a vibrant society with modern infrastructure, new thinking, advance technology in banking, in education, in library services, in postal services, in tourism, in aviation, in manufacturing electronics and garments and foods, etc, etc, ok! and don't forget to keep on building lots of highrises like skyscrapers, bigger airports, bigger gov't buildings, etc, etc, ok! and do build that mega dam so cambodia will be rich in electricity forever, ok!