Sunday, November 27, 2011

The Elephants in the Room - Sambo No. 2


2: Partial Account

This trial will never reconstruct the history of the Khmer Rouge, let alone reveal the truth about what happened in recent Cambodian history. This minitrial will not even give an accurate account of the capture of Phnom Penh and the evacuations that followed that capture. This will be a minitrial in more than one sense. This trial will be like a play or a film with an incomplete cast, a minicast. Some of the major actors will be conspicuously absent. And the result will be a partial account.

Where is Henry Kissinger? Kissinger played a lead role in the Cambodian tragedy and should also do so in this minitrial. Kissinger was possibly the main architect of the bombing campaign of Cambodia in the late 1960s and 70s. Most historians agree that without this American intervention, the Khmer Rouge would not have been able to seize power, to capture Phnom Penh, let alone evacuate all those people who were in the city because of that American bombing. Without Kissinger we would not be here today. The indiscriminate American bombing of Cambodia is without a doubt a war crime, for which Kissinger should be tried. The limited jurisdiction of this Court, unfortunately, does not allow him to be judged here. But as a witness he could and should have played an important role.

Up to 500,000 people were killed by the American bombing. Why are those deaths always attributed to the Khmer Rouge, as the Prosecutor did in the Opening Statement?

So far the Court has not allowed us to raise, let alone discuss, the role played by other actors in this drama. Why are there no “insiders” on the list of witnesses? Where are, for example, Heng Samrin, Chea Sim, Hun Sen and the other government officials with a Khmer Rouge history? It is not because we did not ask for them (we did, and our request was rejected). Or because they have nothing of importance to say. On the contrary, we think their testimony is essential to understand the history of the Khmer Rouge and the evacuation Phnom Penh in April 1975. Heng Samrin, Chea Sim, Hun Sen: they were all there and of played an important role… So the cast is incomplete, even for this minitrial. And I would like to emphasise that this is not the result of restrictions imposed on the judges by the rules of this Court. This is the result of selfimposed restrictions; the result of unfortunate, politically motivated selfcensorship by the judges themselves. The Trial Chamber has so far consistently shown a reluctance to confront the political forces in this country, even when this was necessary to fulfill its judicial function.

- Michiel Pestman (Nuon Chea's defence)


The Elephants in the Room - the 1st Sambo

35 comments:

Anonymous said...

Judging Khmer rouge without judging yuon hanoi is just a CRIME because youn hanoi are mastermind of Khmer rouge and the killing field. Yuon hanoi are the real murderers. Letting yuon hanoi get out of the crimes committed against Khmer is another crime against humanity and the DENY of justice for the victims of yuons’s atrocity and crimes. Internal community must STOP TO BE ACCOMPLICE of hanoi crimes by deny yuon Hanoi crimes and atrocities against Khmer and other weak and innocent people in SEA.

Sihanouk who worked along with hanoi and allowed vietcong to maneuver the killing field against Khmer must be the first to stand trial and judge for the killing of millions of innocent during the killing field. Sihanouk and yuon Hanoi are the MURDERERS of Khmer people.

Anonymous said...

http://amekhmer.free.fr/khcrucial-event/sihanouk-crime/1sihanoukyuoncrime.htm

Saying that yuons are not involving in the killing against Khmer is a CRIME. Genocide is a yuon ancestral culture, an instinct, a juicy business for yuons, some kind of human butcher industry, a well planed ancestral mass graves crimes and not only against Khmer people alone. Those who that yuons didn’t involve in the killing of Khmer are liars and another murderers. Sound like some liars and murderers, blind supporters of yuon crime against humanity, are so cocksure of their own stupidity and evilness

Anonymous said...

ECCC insult Khmer Nation to the bones while the Virgin Seng Theary plays reversed accomplice in invoking her Holy Trinity: the Farter,the Sin and the Hellish Ghost to gain notoriety at the expenses of the victims and the poors.

The Virgin dared not to call out Hanoi,Beijing,Washington,Moscow names name that provided arms to kill Khmers.

The Virgin dared not to call out Sihanouk name for disposition. He is who he played a loyal dog role to please Hanoi,Beijing plans in annihilation of non-communist and Khmer nationalist elements throughout the 60,70,80 eras...

The Virgin dared not calling out the hypocrite Hun Sen who is another loyal dog to Sihanouk poodle and Yuon's.She did not wave her middle fingers at Hanoi or Washington DC.


The Virgin will deliver sermon on how the Ghost sees injustice.

Anonymous said...

I let Khmer screw me; all Khmer officials, from top to bottom, screw Viet for free whether they be in Phnom Penh or on their TDY/Training/Visit in Vietnam (Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City etc...) They love Viet's food, they love Viet's ass...Viet is everywhere in Viet-Cambodia from farmer to technician, from nurse to doctor, from firefighter to engineer, from rubber plantation owner/worker to Hun Sen's political advisor and bodyguards including Angkor Wat's owner...You all name it and Viet is there...Khmer doesn't do squat nowadays...

Whether or not they surrender themselves to Viet, Khmer is now Viet (period.)

Hun Sen is just a dumb Viet-Khmer that can be disposed of anytime at just a blink of an eye!

Ms. Soap

P.s. Again, challenge me if all of you dumb Khmer can. We have millions of us (legally the majority) that will vote for Viet-Khmer candidate forever... Eat your heart out Sam Raingsy and Theary Seng or whoever thinks that you can de-vietnamize the Federation of Indochina now or anytime in the forseeable future...

KRT is just a show to entertain the world. We, Viet, are that good and smart.

KI-Media is yesterday news and ought to shut its door down for good now...or better yet, come kiss our Viet's ass now!!!

Can Khmer put up the second Killing fields to get rid of millions of legal Viet-Khmer citizen now???

Okay you dumb Khmer - put up or shut up while we, Viet, are domesticating you for the bright future of the Federation of Indochina!

Not to worry about the Chinese, they are just being proud and busy making money for themseves...

Anonymous said...

let ask the thief that you catch and have proff before go for their leader and accomplice!!!!!

Don't just point finguer all over places like a fool!

Anonymous said...

If there were no vietnam war, and US bombing by kissinger.

Khmer rouge wouldn't have risen to power!

Anonymous said...

Kissinger is part of the New World Order. Kissinger aside, who else is part of the New World Order?

Federal Reserve Passed out $16 Trillion Dollars

In the first audit ever “allowed” (seriously) by the Federal Reserve, a whopping $16 trillion dollars has been “loaned out” throughout the world:…Now you know why America will never, ever “recover”. The hemorrhaging of the economy can only get worse and worse. Also read this:

The Next Financial Crisis Will be Hellish. The Fed is leveraged 51-1!! …This is why your money is going to be absolutely worthless. There is now so much of this (worthless) paper “loaned out” floating around the world, that the value of a “dollar” will be less then spit. The actions of the Fed have GUARANTEED our financial doom…The “too big to fail” have been “bailed out” — but YOU weren’t. YOU were SOLD OUT. You were sold down the river to the slave-owners and now you KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that YOUR future is going to be NOTHING but years and years of endless slavery. A entire lifetime. Not a good feeling, is it?

Democracy hah?

Anonymous said...

10:07PM

HEY, POOR SMALL COMMUNIST VIETCONGS/VIETNAMS, YOU'RE SMART IN THE ASS!!!!!


AND AGREE, YOU'RE SMART WITH KILLING KHMERS PEOPLE, BUT YOUR TIME WILL COME SOON!! GOD WILL NOT FORGIVE YOU VIETCONGS.

Anonymous said...

បងប្អូនខ្មែរអ្នកស្នេហាជាតិទាំងឡាយជាទីមេត្រី!

សូមប្រុងប្រយ័ត្ន….សូមប្រុងប្រយ័ត្ន….
មេដឹកនាំគណបក្សសមរង្ស៊ីដឹងច្បាស់ថា : សម្បុកសម្ងាត់របស់
សាខាបក្សប្រជាជនកុម្មុយនិស្តកម្ពុជាមានមូលដ្ឋានតាំងនៅ ៖
ភោជនីយដ្ឋានប៉ៃលិន, ផ្សារប៉ៃលិន នឹង
ស្ថានកុងស៊ុល នៅឡូវែល ម៉ាស្ស , ស្ថានកុងស៊ុល នៅហ្វ៊ីឡា, ស្ថានកុងស៊ុល នៅអង្គការសហប្រជាជាតិ, ស្ថានកុងស៊ុល នៅវ៉ាស៊ីងតោនឌីស៊ី ស.រ.អ., នៅរដ្ឋកាលីហ្វ័រញ៉ា, នៅរដ្ឋកវ៉ាស៊ីងតោន, អូរីហ្កកាន់, កាណាដា
គឺជាប្រព័ន្ធគ្រប់គ្រង នឹងជាខ្សែរយៈប្រមូលផ្តុំ
នៃសាខាបក្សប្រជាជនកុម្មុយនិស្តកម្ពុជា
នៅក្នុងសហរដ្ឋអាមេរិច នឹងកាណាដា!!

Anonymous said...

10:07 PM

Ah Kwack and his supporters should respond to this Ms Soap Shit.

But Ms. Soap is a transgender, transformed from male Hyena to female dog now.

It it impossible for the dog such as Ms. Soap to understand people language.

Anonymous said...

kissinger, with his heavy accent, was responsible for unauthoritized or illegal bombing of cambodia. this guy is old now and should be brought to court for question as well!

Anonymous said...

Coup’s data between 1975-1978

There was a abortive coup's data led by So Phim, Heng Sarim Chea Sim , Hun Sen to topple Pol Pot before they fled to Hanoi came back again in 1979 with other Khmer Viet Minh who lives so long in Hanoi like Pen Sovan, Chan Si, Sai Boutong and Chea Sot under yuon military commander in 7 January 1979.

Heng Samrin , Chea Sim and Hun Sen always says that 7 January 1979 yuon invasions to liberate Khmer from Pol Pot genocide back in 1979-1980s majority of Khmer believe that , but now 2011 majority of Khmer believe that the real reason of the coup's data in 1975s and 7 January in 1979 to open the Cambodian door which closed by Pol Pot to influx million of yuon illegal immigrants into Cambodia as part of Indochina Federation to put Lao and Cambodia under yuon Hanoi yoke or annex.

So what Nuon Chea says is correct:

The Vietnam factor was a major contribution that created havoc in Democratic Kampuchea between 1975-1979.

Beside abortive coup's data led by So Phim , Heng Samin , Chea Sim and Hun Sen there were 2 more attempt to kill Pol Pot twice between 1975-1979.

Anonymous said...

7 January 1979 yuon invasion Cambodia under 20 divisions of yuon troops with former Khmer Viet Minh:
There were 2 groups of Khmer Viet Minh 1 group lived inside Cambodia between 1975-1979 and other group lived in Hanoi between 1975-1979.
Group 1:
Former Khmer Viet Minh who lived and worked with Pol Pot inside Cambodia between 1975-1979 are:
1. Heng Samrin,Chea Sim, So Phim , Keo Meas and Ros Yim.
Former Khmer Viet Minh who lived at Hanoi , outside Cambodia between 1975-1979 who joined Khmer Viet Minh inside Cambodia are:
2. Pen Sovan, Chan Si, Sai Bouthong, Rous Samai and Chea Sot and many more.
So what Nuon Chea says is correct:

The Vietnam factor was a major contribution that created havoc in Democratic Kampuchea between 1975-1979.

Anonymous said...

Angkar or Communist Party of Kampuchea or Khmer Rouge between 1975-1979 are:

Half of Khmer Rouge or Angkar between 1975-1979 were Khmer Viet Minh from villages chiefs up to Angkar.

Those former Khmer Viet Minh between 1975-1979 are:

Heng Samrin, Chea Sim,Keo Meas, So Phim and Rous Yim .

Keo Meas and So Phim were Angkar as follow:

1 Pol Pot.

2. Nuon Chea.

3. Keo Meas.

4. So Phim.

5. Ieng Sary.

6. Son Sen.

7. Ta Mok.

Anonymous said...

How yuon involved in genocide between 1975-1979 when there was no single yuon Viet Minh or Viet Cong in Cambodia between 1975-1979?

Quote from Nuon Chea:

The Vietnamese factor was a major contributor between 1975-1979 ( Nuon Chea )?

Part of these answers to above mystery are :

Most of Me Kroms , Me Kongs, villages chiefs, communes chiefs, districts chief up to Zones secretaries and Angkar Leu ( official name was members of Central Committee of Communist Party of Kampuchea between 1975-1979 were former Khmer Viet Minh fighters who did not when to Hanoi as Son Ngoc Minh and about other 1000 did, about 4000 stayed in Cambodia in 1954 and later on joined Communist Party of Kampuchea or Khmer Rouge between 1975-1979.

Heng Samrin, Chea Sim were former Khmer Viet Minh and include Hun Sen were under milirary commander of senior former Khmer Viet Minh So Phim in Eastern Zone from 1975-1978.

Rous Yim was another former Khmer Viet Minh military commander and was Secretary of Norhtern Zone in 1975-1978.

Angkar or founders and member of Central committee of Communist Party of Kampuchea are:

1. Pol Pot. Secretary General of the Communist Party of Kampuchea.

2. Nuon Chea fouder and deputy of the Communist Party of Kampuchea.

3. Ieng Sary member of Central committee of Communist Party of Kampuchea are.

4. Keo Meas member of Central committee of Communist Party of Kampuchea .

5. So Phim member of Central committee of Communist Party of Kampuchea.

6. Son Sen member of Central committee of Communist Party of Kampuchea.

7. Ta Mok member of Central committee of Communist Party of Kampuchea.


The founder of Khmer Rouge or the Communist Party of Kampuchea in 1960 were.

1. Tou Samouth.
2. Nuon chea.
3. Pol Pot.

The old name of this CPK was Kampuchea Worker Party and was renamed to CPK or the Communist Party of Kampuchea in 1966 after Tou Samouth was arrested and killed in 1962.

Anonymous said...

Chhang Yok is an US tool to hide genocide and war crime and killing field which committed by US during in late 1960s-1970s US B 52 bombing and US involvement in Vietnam war that later on that war speeded into Cambodia which caused at least one million lives of Cambodian, mass atrocities and mass starvation especially in 1973, 200 days and 200 nights under US B 52 carpet bombing.

Hun Sen is an poltical tool to hide genocide and war crime and killing field which committed by
late Ho Chi Minh who was the mastermind of the Indochinese Communist Party created who created CPP in 1951 under the name of Kampuchea Peopl's Revolutionry Party or KPRP led by Son Ngoc Min who when to Hanoi with other fomer Khkmer Vient Mind about 1000 ater Geneva conference in 1954.

So this ECCC in Cambodia is Hanoi-US ECCC.

Anonymous said...

លោក ខៀវ សំផន ហៅក្រៅថា "ឡាង" រងគ្រោះ
រហូតដោយសារតែអា ស្ដេច ចង្រៃមួយឈ្មោះ
អា សីហនុ!!!

Khieu Samphân aka "LANG" has been simply the victim of that midget prince known as SIHANOUK, the playboy!

Ask the KRT if Khieu's nickname is in fact "LANG" if you can?

Si on ne me croît pas, demande-t-on donc à «KRT» si jamais le faux-nom de Khieu Samphân était «LANG»!

អ្នកយកការណ៏ អោយ ស.រ.អ

Anonymous said...

Khieu Sampphan birth name is:

Lang.

What 6:48 AM say about Lang is correct.

During Sihanouk regime Khieu Samphan widow mum sold Chek Ang ( dried banana ) on the street when Khieu Samphan was a secretary of state of Sihanouk Ministry of Commerce in 1960s Khieu Samphan riding a bicycle to work.

Khieu Samphan 's mum alos sold Prahok when when they were in Kampong Cham.

Khieu Samphan loved and respected his mother very much every word and manner Khieu Samphan used to his widow mother with respect.

Khieu Samphan as a secretar of state of ministry of commerce he gave all his salary to his mohter to support the family with his mother income from selling Chek Ang on street.

Khieu Samphan hate most in his life is corruption , he never committed corruption even David Chandler agreed .

Anonymous said...

After Khieu Samphan refused many bribes offered to him as a secretary of state of Ministry of Commerce in Sihanouk regime in 1960s he explained to his family members that:
If he ( Khieu Samphan ) take those bribes it measn Khieu Samphan having happiness on the poor ( Khmer poor ).

Anonymous said...

លោកយាយ "គង់"​ ស្លាប់នៅក្នុងព្រៃពេលដែល
ដើរតស៊ូរតាមកូនគាត់!

អ្នកយកការណ៏ អោយ ស.រ.អ

Anonymous said...

wow ! How much Keiv mother need money for? Teacher Money Can afford mre than 5 people confrtably in Sang Kum Reash Niyum!

And with the salaryn of minister ALL to his mother and she need to sell cHak Ang!


So the whole country must corrupt like right now!!!! It is true servivers of the 1960's?????

Go ask your parents, Uncles, aunts, or olders for clearification KID!!! NOT about legent of Mr. clean but the economic situation of the time!

Anonymous said...

Mr.Clean speaks out and reveal the truths,
unlike other Khmer leaders shit dare not
to tell real stories for the Cambodians.
Cambodians deserve to get fully truth
information from all and every corners
of the crimes against Khmer population.
I hope and wounder the is King Sihanouk,
Hun Sen,Chea Chim ,Hen Samrin etc,having
a gut to come up and tell of their whole
strories,too?,just tell who are really
behind in a dark side?.Khmers need real
justice for all.

Anonymous said...

I totally agree with Mr. Michiel Pestman.....we have to look at the events before 1975. Not just scrutinizing the events in 1975 to 1979.....this is not justice at all....if it cannot happen the court must be dissolved and release the KR leaders immediately.....I see there KR leaders are just pawns of the UN/US and Hun Sen.

KNM

Anonymous said...

Both Nuoun Chea , Khieu Samphan possible Ieng Sary will face lifves sentences from this Haoi-US ECCC even both Nuon Chea and Khieu Samphan say :

1. He has been waiting so long this opportunity to the Khmner ( Nuou Chea ).

2. Khieu Samphan says this court will give him an opportunity to tell about mass Killing bettween 1975-1979.( Khieu Samphna ).Khieu Samphan.

3. This ECCC really want his head in the block. ( Khieu Samphan ).

We all know that this ECCC only allow Nuoun Chea , Khieu Samphan to talk only between 1975-1979 not befor 1975 and after 1979 this is a clear sign showing that this ECCC shutting the accused mouths up.

1. Noun Chea ' s witnesses about 300 and 400 of Khieu Samphan 's witnesses were refuese by this ECCC to show up and speaking out in this ECCC court room.

So this ECCC is Hanoi-US ECCC in Cambodia.

Anonymous said...

Mr Clean is Mr Khieu Samphan.

Khieu Sampha never committed corruption in his life even David Chandler agreed.

Anonymous said...

During Sihanouk regime Khieu Samphan widow mum sold Chek Ang ( dried banana ) on the street when Khieu Samphan was a secretary of state of Sihanouk Ministry of Commerce in 1960s Khieu Samphan riding a bicycle to work.

Khieu Samphan 's mum alos sold Prahok when when they were in Kampong Cham.

Khieu Samphan loved and respected his mother very much every word and manner Khieu Samphan used to his widow mother with respect.

Khieu Samphan as a secretar of state of ministry of commerce he gave all his salary to his mohter to support the family along with his mother income from selling Chek Ang on street in Phnom Penh.

Anonymous said...

3:26PM! stop bullshit and lie or lightning will strike your sole!

Your fucking communist should have more brain than this there still million of us from that time still alive now!!!

Anonymous said...

4:12PM

You have no right to tell other people what to do and what not to do.

As a Khmer and every Khmeras a whole we have legal right to post any commnet regarding to what have been going in Cambodia.

other poeple on this blog have rights to look and it is up to them to judge.

So you shut the fuck up.

Anonymous said...

5:29PM, you fool brain if no one physicaly kick your fool mouth and no power to do so! The word shut the fuck up jus the expression to say your comment is bullshit!

Do not write lie you stupid crook!

Anonymous said...

Vietnam's bad intention toward Cambodia will be unmasked by the international communities.

We need to take this land thief, Vietnam, to the international court of justice; otherwise Vietnam will keep creating turmoil in Cambodia.

After 1989, did Vietnam truly withdraw all of its troops back to Vietnam?

Did Vietnam comply with the 1991 Paris peace accord?

Millions of illegal and legal Vietnamese have been residing inside Cambodia after Vietnam’s invasion in January 1979, causing extreme concerns amongst Khmer people about the prospect that Cambodia would be the second Kampuchea Krom (the current southern part of Vietnam).

The killings during the Pol Pot's era were committed by the Khmer rouge, the Khmer Vietminh, etc.
Notice that Khmer Vietminh were created and brainwashed by Vietnam to make Khmers fight with Khmers, to make Khmers kill each others.

How about the K5, which killed hundreds of thousands of Khmer people in the 80's? This K5 scheme was totally orchestrated by Vietnam.

We need to take Vietnam to the international court about this K5 issue regarding Vietnam’s catastrophic action in Cambodia.

Anonymous said...

11:02 PM

You have no right to tell other people what to do and what not to do.

As a Khmer and every other Khmer we all have legal right to post any commnet regarding to what have been going in Cambodia.

Other poeple on this blog have rights to look and it is up to them to judge.

Anonymous said...

IT WAS SIHANOUK FAULT,HE HAS HAD LET

VIETNAM TROOPS USE KHMER LAND SINCE

1960,SO HE HAS CAUSED THE PROBLEMS.

THE US HAS HAD BOMBED CAMBODIA

BECAUSE OF SIHANOUK.

SIHANOUK LOVED CHINA,NORTH KOREA,

AND VIETNAM,BUT NOT RUSSIA.

HE HATED RUSSIA,BUT LOVED RUSSIA

DOG.

Anonymous said...

The caused of the killing field or yuon racial crimes against Khmer people is yuons planed and sihanouk involved

yuons and sihanouk are the first degree criminals to be judged and help for the genocide against Khmer

Anonymous said...

5:29PM, you fool brain! if no one physicaly kick your fool mouth and no power to do so! The word " shut the fuck up" jus the expression to say your comment is bullshit!

Do not write lie you stupid crook!

Anonymous said...

10:19AM

You have no right to tell other people what to do and what not to do.

As a Khmer and every Khmeras a whole we have legal right to post any commnet regarding to what have been going in Cambodia.

other poeple on this blog have rights to look and it is up to them to judge.