By Luke Hunt
The Diplomat
Old hatreds die hard, and nowhere has this been more evident than at the trial of surviving Khmer Rouge leaders in Phnom Penh. It has been an historic week, with former ideologue Nuon Chea taking the stand while Former Foreign Minister Ieng Sary and one-time head of state Khieu Samphan watched on.
Nuon Chea attempted to portray himself as a noble Khmer. As a young man, he said he had developed a “passion for justice” after witnessing the harsh handling of Cambodian peasants by the Colonial French and rich landowners who “treated them as slaves,”
His resentment of the rich and French was surpassed only by the Vietnamese, who he insisted wanted only to swallow Cambodia like a python devouring a deer.
This was an important political precursor to the rise of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge who ruled Cambodia from April 1975 to January 1979.
Nuon Chea insists that he and his fellow members of the Standing Committee, which wrote and deployed government policy, weren’t bad people, and that the extraordinary carnage committed at the time of their reign was orchestrated by Hanoi.
“I don’t want the next generations to misunderstand history...I don’t want them to misunderstand that the Khmer Rouge are bad people, are criminals, nothing is true about that...It was Vietnam who killed Cambodians,” the 85 year-old told the court in Case 002.
Between 1.7 million and 2.2 million people – a quarter of Cambodia’s population at the time – died under the ultra-Maoists. About 800,000 suffered violent deaths, while the others perished amid slave labor conditions from exhaustion, starvation and associated diseases.
Few would disagree with Nuon Chea’s initial statements on the Indochinese Communist Party (ICP), which was established in 1930 by the Vietnamese seeking to forge an independent union out of Indochina and the five French colonies, Tonkin, Annam, Cochin China, Cambodia and Laos.
Nuon Chea was raised in Battambang, northwest of Phnom Penh, which was annexed by Thailand along with much of Western Cambodia after Bangkok sided and struck a deal with Japan in World War II that allowed Tokyo’s troops to march across the country, through Malaya and down to Singapore.
As such, Nuon Chea studied in Thailand where his well-entrenched views of ethnic Vietnamese were honed, and he came to view the ICP as a Trojan horse for Ho Chi Minh and his communists to establish their authority over Cambodia.
This led to the formation of the Cambodian-controlled Communist Party of Kampuchea in the 1960s, which would assume power a decade later. They emptied the cities, obliterated Khmer culture and carried out great purges with Nuon Chea as chief party ideologue.
The three currently before the court are charged with crimes against humanity, murder, torture and genocide, allegedly carried out against ethnic Vietnamese and Muslim Chams.
Nuon Chea’s stance is well-known. But importantly, his defense was finally put on the court record this week, establishing his credentials as Brother Number Two to Pol Pot, along with his loathing of all things Vietnamese, which will be telling when the bench retires to consider the evidence.
Case 002 is continuing.
39 comments:
1. Champa gone .
2. Prey Norkor gone.
3. Kampuchea-Krom gone.
4. Lao gone.
5. Cambodia with 7 million of yuon everywhere.
6. Thailand ( not so easy ) but will be next after Cambodia.
So what Nuon Chea and Khieu Samphan have said about yuon killing Khmer , yuon ' s ambition to put Lao and Cambodia under it annex is 1000% correct and has very strong foundation.
Communist Party of Kampuchea or Khmer Rouge.
The Communist Party of Kampuchea was a combination of 80 % of former Khmer Viet Minh and 20 % of a Paris students group was created in 1960 by 3 former figures as follow:
1. Tou Samouth.
2. Nuon Chea.
3. Pol Pot.
After 1954 Geneva conference there were about 5000 of Khmer Viet Minh fighters in Cambodia . About 1000 of these former Khmer Viet Minh went to Hanoi with Son Ngoc Minh or better known as Achar Mean including other Khmer Viet Minh like Pen Sovann.
The rest of 4000 of these former Khmer Viet Minh later joined the Communist Party of Kampuchea through Tou Samouth, Kea Mea , So Phim, Rous Yim and many other Khmer Viet Minh senior military commanders.
So that why from the beginning of the foundation of this Communist Party of Kampuchea or Khmer Rouge there were about 80 % of these former Khmer Viet Minh fighters and senior military commanders such as Tou Smouth, Keo Meas , So Phim and Rous Yim ect…
After the fall down of Phnom to Khmer Rouge or Communist Party of Kampuchea on April 17, 1975 these former Khmer Viet Minh fighters became the chiefs of villages, communes , districts and Zones like So Phim in Eastern Zone Secretary and Rous Yim in Northern Zone Secretary .
Note:
1. Tou Samouth , So Phim , Rous Yim , played important role in joining all former Khmer Viet Mint fighters into the Communist Party of Kampuchea after the Communist Party of Kampuchea was created in 1960.
2. Nuon Chea Played important role in joining other former Khmer Issarak like Ta Mok , Ke Pok into the Communist Party of Kampuchea or Khmer Rouge after the Communist Party of Kampuchea was created in 1960.
3. The First name of the Communist Party of Kampuchea was the Cambodian Worker’s Party and renamed to the Communist Party in 1966 after Tou Samouth was arrested and killed in 1962.
4. Between 1960-1975 Pol Pot had about 40 % or 45 % especially after 1970s.
Pol Pot solders never train in Hanoi or worked under the command of yuon Viet Minh as majority of former Khmer Viet Minh fighers in the Communist Party of Kampuchea were trained and fought side by side wit yuon Viet Minh during First Indochina War 1946-1954 against French colony in Cambodia.
The founder and the members of the Communist Party of Kampuchea or Khmer Rouge are between 1975-1979 are:
1. Pol Pot the Secretary General of Communist Party of Kampuchea.
2. Nuon Chea duputy Secretary of Communsit Party of Kampuchea.
3. Ieng Sary.
4. Keo Meas
5. So Phim.
6. Son Sen.
7. Ta Mok .
You ,Ah Nuon Chea,you tell the truth,you are better than Ah Sihanouk,please contunue to tell the World that all communists Sihanouk,Ho Chiminh and Mao Zedong are the ennemies of our Lord Buddha.Khmer lived peacefully with Our Lord Buddha century ago,not Ah Ho Chiminh theory(thief).
Vietnam's bad intention toward Cambodia will be unmasked by the international communities.
We need to take this Cambodia’s land thief, Vietnam, to the international court of justice; otherwise Vietnam will keep creating turmoil in Cambodia.
After 1989, did Vietnam truly withdraw all of its troops back to Vietnam?
Did Vietnam comply with the 1991 Paris peace accord?
Millions of illegal and legal Vietnamese have been residing inside Cambodia after Vietnam’s invasion in January 1979, causing extreme concerns amongst Khmer people about the prospect that Cambodia would be the second Kampuchea Krom (the current southern part of Vietnam).
How much Khmer natural resource has Vietnam destroyed after its invasion in January 1979?
The killings during the Pol Pot's era were committed by the Khmer rouge, the Khmer Vietminh, etc.
Notice that the Khmer Vietminh were created and brainwashed by Vietnam to make Khmers fight with Khmers, to make Khmers kill each others.
How about the K5 project, which killed hundreds of thousands of Khmer people in the 80's? This K5 scheme was totally orchestrated by Vietnam.
Vietnam must pay for this enormous K5 project crime. We need to take Vietnam to the international court about this K5 issue regarding Vietnam’s catastrophic action in Cambodia. Vietnam’s current dominance in Cambodia also contributes to the present majority of Khmer people’s misery.
Please don't be politically comment. I heard a lot of people talking about Pol Pot regime, Khmer people were suffered more than you can say. So please don't mix with political. I personally disagreed with all commented above.
Why I disagreed, because I believe in reason if I think it true then I believe. But what the mother fucker Ah Noun Chear said are all push shit. If there were no Vietnames invaded on those day I don't think I have a chance to write this comment on KI Media. Also I don't think Cambodia map still existed in Google Map.
Cambodia must become the second Tibet.
Remember believe in reason and yourself.
Khmer son
Cambodia with 7 million of yuon everywhere after 1979 under the name of 7 January 1979.
4:30pm,you got brainwash from hun sen and vietcong
5:24 PM,
I agree with you.
In the land of ah Ckwack People Party(CPP) the one eye is king.
The North Vietnamese army was present in Rattanakiri and Mondulkiri.On March 1970,because of the Vietnamese invasion,Lon Nol conducted a coup d'État.
On April 1975,Khmer Republic was overthrown by North Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge forces.
During the communist regime, Vietcongs were everywhere on the Cambodian territory.
It was Vietnam who killed Cambodians ,I agree with Nuon Chea
YOU KILLED YOUR OWN PEOPLE AND YOU BLAMED SOMEONE ELSE, MOTHERFUCKER!
Nuon Chea,
Are you stupid or ignorant? You knew all along that Vietnam wanted to swallow Cambodia. Yet, you, the Khmer Rouge enticed Vietnamese army to help you fight the 1970-1975 war against Lon Nol knowing the fact that no other countries risked their people's live to help your cause without expecting something in return. The same hold true for Hun Sen who counted on Vietnamese's help to fight Pol Pot. The end result, Vietnam is now colonizing us. We, Khmers, never learn lessons from history
Do Cambodians knew what is "Court of Justice?"
Sound like they are so confused in Radio Free Asia.
9:58pm, he is telling the truth, I think you got brain damage from your master hun sen
TO ALL COMMUNIST VIETCOOKS/VIETS, DOG EATER, KHMERS KILLER!
YOUR STINKY LITTLE SAIGON GOLDEN GROVE, CALIFORNIA! DOG EATER!!
YOUR DUMB STINKY ASS COMMUNIST/VIETS, DOG EATER, YOUR ALSO DUMB!!!
From: Stinky, Little Saigon Golden Grove,California!
9:58PM
Your involved!!
9:58PM
Who bomb Cambodia by B-52, before 1975?
Whos involved with POL POT to killed millions of their own people?
Khmers are not stupid.
To the outside worlds, the foreigners, and the foreign journalists always think that Cambodia about hates the Vietnamese and everything about the Vietnamese and that is it! The outside worlds need to understand that Cambodian people are proud people with history and culture and a former Khmer empire! Cambodia has lost so much to Thailand and now to Vietnam including the Khmer Krom to the Vietnamese in 1949! This is so fresh in the mind of Cambodian people and nothing can change that! So the fear and the hatred for the Vietnamese are real and natural because as long as the Vietnamese continue to oppress the Khmer Krom people and the hatred of the century will continue! The discussions, the debates, and the cycle of violence will continue until there is a solution to the Khmer Krom people! No Khmer people will trust the Vietnamese government! This is not about old hatred die hard as mention by Luke Hunt! This is about the flesh and blood of all Khmer people and they must not stand still when they see their brothers and sisters still living under oppression!
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As for the Khmer Rouge and they may have the right ideology in how to save Cambodia but if higher powers want to destroy their ideology is also possible! Not all good ideas can become reality without enough resources to execute it! The Khmer Rouge never has enough resources to execute their great idea from the beginning because they start out by depending on the farmers for food supply and depend on the enemy for weapons! This is such a fuck up idea but somehow they succeed thanks in part to King Sihanouk to lend his credibility! Now when the Khmer Rouge such Pol Pot, Nuon Chea, Khieu Samphan, and Ieng Sary who are new comer leaders trying to take over the Khmer communists’ structure set up by the Vietcong government since the 1930 and of course there will be double agents within the Khmer Rouge structure to provide misinformation and disinformation to the higher level Khmer Rouge leadership to make sure that the Khmer Rouge will never succeed in pursuing their ideology! May I remind you that many of these Khmer Rouge leaders are educated in the West and of course they know the value of life, the injustice, and the oppression because they themselves have experience it first hand during the French colonial…why do such a bad thing to their own people? Eng Thirith who is a female Khmer Rouge leader even knows Shakespeare! How awesome is that! ahhahhahahah
this KR is obsessed with vietnam story. that's all he talked about. so everything during the KR was all about vietnam, no wonder KR was so stupid to kill their own people! i don't understand, how can this KR leader be so stupid like this?
it was the KR's stupidity and ignorant and lawlessness, etc! american sociologist sigmoid freud once wrote: "all fear is wish and all wish is fear." now evaluate and analyze the meaning of this philosophical phrase. what does it mean? think, students!
the problem with the stupid KR people were that they cannot accept differences in people. they wanted everybody in cambodia to be the same, boring isn't it? that is stupidity and ignorance, if you ask me, really!
To 12:22AM
The Vietcong government created the Khmer Rouge since 1930! If it is not for the Vietcong government and Cambodia would never have the Khmer Rouge!
I don't support any communist people like Nuon Chea, Hun Sen, Chea Sim, Heng Samrin, Pol Pot, Khieu Somphan, Ieng Sary, etc...., but I support Nuon Chea who is courageous to stand up against Youn aggression.
Youn intended to help liberate Cambodia from Pol Pot, but their intention is beyond that. Youn now tries to swallow Cambodia by placing their agents every level of Hun Sen government. Hun Sen knows about that because he is Youn dog.
Keep exposing Youn bad behavior, Noun Chea. That way UN will take Youn and Hun Sen into the court too.
That is the only way Sam Rainsy can rule Cambodia.
Kill Youn people in Cambodia one by one secretly as they kill us secretly too. The same goes to Thai too. Every month Thai kill Khmer people along the border. So don't spare them.
from my psychological perspective, noun chea sounded like he was the victim from childhood of some sort, so when he became the top stupid KR leader, it was revenge or payback time for him and others like him, you know! yes, it is interesting for psychologists or psychiatrists to watch and observe and evaluate the KR leaders' speeches, testimonies, complaints, rebuttals, reaction, thought, view, perspective, etc, etc, you know! this man and perhaps khmer people in general have had too much psychological or emotional trauma that often lack professional support or help from psychologist, psychiatrist, sociologist, counselor, social worker, and the like of professionals from the branch of social sciences department, you see. yes, khmer people lack these professional help and support. i think people could heal both emotionally and psychologically if they get professional help. it seems to me, when they don't have professional help and support, those thoughts, resentments, feeling of helplessness or hopelessness, etc stay insdie them like a dam holding water under it burst under stress or tremendous pressure, etc, you see. so, i thhink these KR people need professional help e.g. counseling, psychotherapy, emotional support and help, etc. i mean, i listen and read about their testimonies, it all sounded too familiar to me, you know!
i think he's only saying what he wants the court to hear, so it is up to the prosecutors to question him further everytime he gives testimonies. people wanted to understand the KR regime, especially why they killed their own people, why they evacuate the entire population, why they forced people against their will, they they want to change cambodia to communism, why they want to go back to the stone age or primitive way, etc, etc...? it is good to connect the dots and see where it led them, etc...
The real cause of why Khmers keep fighting with Khmers.
First, Khmer people have to know these facts first:
- The United Nations planned to make a trip to Cambodia on January 15th 1979 to check the Khmer Rouge.
- Vietnam knew about this trip in advance, so Vietnam made a full scale attack on Cambodia to stop the United Nations from monitoring the Khmer Rouge.
- As we all know, Khmer Vietminh were created and brainwashed by Vietnam. These Khmer Vietminh committed most of the killings during the Pol Pot's era.
By invading Cambodia, Vietnam was able to put an ignorant, uneducated person named Hun Sen in charge of the country.
Because Hun Sen is Vietnam's slave, he has served only Vietnam's interest. That made Khmer people so mad. That’s why we have seen like Khmers always fight with Khmers due to Vietnam’s maneuvering.
Now we can see, WHO MADE KHMERS FIGHT WITH KHMERS?
It is time for all of us to understand Vietnam's tricks. This Devil Vietnam is the root cause of Khmers fight with Khmers.
in the culprits' mind, they think what they did were to save cambodia, even killing their own people, evacuation of the population, overwork to death, etc, to them, all to "save cambodia and the people" from foreign colonization or aggression, etc. now to the court of law, does all of that makes sense? i doubt it! to me, if you, the KR leaders, wanted to save cambodia and its people from "foreign aggression", etc, you reform the country, the people, etc by education and training, by counseling them, etc, but most definitely you done kill them, you don't instill fear in them, you don't threaten them with their life, etc, etc, ok! what the KR did were primitive, barbaric and uncalled for. i mean, anyone is capable of barbaric act, but they obey law, etc, well, we know the stupid KR society did not like law and had no law, etc, thus, there was no justice system because they justice system was primitive like killing people, etc!
and why those stupid khmer leader still wanted to send their children to study in vietnam, if that's the case. why not send them to study elsewhere, instead of the historical enemies of cambodia like viet/youn and siem! again, stop being stupid forever, khmer people, ok!
here's a rhetorical question for those KR leaders! who was stupid? the cambodia or vietnam, if that's the case? granted, i have nothing fonded of viet/youn, but i wanted people to think! so, what they were saying is that cambodia was stupid, so vietnam commy took advantage of their stupidity? maybe that's more true than to say youn was the killer of stupid khmer people. man, i have no compassion or sympathy for people being stupid on purpose, especially evil people!
politics aside, those stupid KR leaders did it, and they were in charge of cambodia then, so can can use blame game all they want, they were the leaders then, and cambodia was destroyed and khmer were killed in the millions from their stupidity, etc... the court have to use the law and find justice for the victims, period.
the court should also ask all of these KR leaders about their educational background as well, where they got their college degree and where they learn their communist ideology, their personal achievement(s), their affiliation(s), and even their personal background, etc, etc! this way, the audience will understand them better!
what type of thinking was that, killing people to save their life? sounded like that crazy doctor kavolkian that now lost his medical license and now sits in jail cell to me!
i'm sure the millions of suriving khmer victims can testify about the injustice, the abuses, the killings, etc that went on under the KR regime. the evil KR leaders can deny all they want, there are millions of khmer survivors who are living eyewitnesses to the KR holocaust, you know! yes, call on all khmer survivors to testify in court, meaning those who actually lived under the KR regime. we are talking about the actual killings, abuses, etc, not politics, ok!
under the KR regime or rule, killing people, starving people, making people overworked to death by tilting the canals, soil, death from starvation and diseases, etc were their justice systems. the KR regime was very evil to the people they wanted to control, you know!
these KR people lived in the dark hole called ignorance, isolation and so forth!
new cambodia and khmer people and citizens, don't be like these stupid KR people! be different, smart, wise, educated, enlightened, intelligent, informed, knowledgeable, open-minded to learning, reforms, developments, civilization, etc, etc... steer clear of ignorance, isolation, stupidity, or follow in the same destructive path as these lunatic, psychotic individuals we know as the KR leaders!
the problem was the KR cannot accept differences in people and their thinking, etc... they wanted everybody to become communist like them, i.e. primitive society! they used forces on people to do what they want them to do!
Yeh..Yeh...Yeh...the Khmer Rouge doesn't just kill Khmer people and they killed their own kind too! This is betrayal after betrayal!
Don't just observe what the Khmer Rouge leaders have to say and there are events, chronology, and documentation (not just from one side such AH YOUK CHHANG) to verify! Tell me what is the outcome after the Vietcong overthrew the Khmer Rouge from Cambodia? Just take a very close look of Cambodian economic condition and the system of government of today! Do Khmer people really think that the Vietcong government of today would allow Cambodia to advance and modernize more faster than Vietnam! Hell no! This is the reason why the Vietcong government will go all out to maintain AH HUN SEN Vietcong slave puppet government as long as they can continue to do! Cambodia is a dying nation whether any Cambodian people know it or not!
-Why are there so many millions and millions of illegal Vietnamese settlers in Cambodia?
-Why are land grabbing happen all over Cambodia to send Cambodian people deeper into poverty?
-Why the Vietcong government force AH HUN SEN Vietcong slave government to sign border treaty of 2005 and others to hand over large Cambodian territory to Vietnam?
-Why AH HUN SEN Vietcong slave government keep interfering with the Khmer Rouge trial from top to bottom in protecting himself and his Vietcong boss?
-Why?...Why?...Why?
AH HUN SEN Vietcong slave never want to put these Khmer Rouge leaders on trial in the first place! Now that these Khmer Rouge leaders on trail and AH HUN SEN Vietcong slave has an obligation to follow through by creating interferences and excuses to make the Khmer Rouge trial as a joke! As you can see, it is AH HUN SEN Vietcong slave who put these Khmer Rouge leaders on trial not the world and only bullshit will come out of it!
As Prime Minister of Cambodia AH HUN SEN earned $1,450 dollars in salary! Why does he have to go through the humiliation, the anguish, the trouble, and hold to power with his dear life and interfering with the Khmer Rouge trial with no regard for the victim?
i am going to kill all illegale vietname in cambodia what so ever i lose every thing i want to tell the world right now fucker ar-youn ar-youn choy-mray
i am going to kill all illegale vietname in cambodia what so ever i lose every thing i want to tell the world right now fucker ar-youn ar-youn choy-mray
khnom som tov jeamuoy phong. Jeat sas
ah yuon nis akrok jeang sas na teang
os knong lok.Ter puok vea chhir jab te ber khernh khmer somlab Yuon vinh?
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