Original report from Phnom Penh
31 October 2007
The visit of North Korean Prime Minister Kim Yong Il Thursday, while diplomatically sound, is unlikely to yield much politically or economically, observers said.
Kim, who is not related to the "supreme leader," Kim Jong Il, is expected to sign several trade agreements that will strengthen economic ties between the two countries.
The visit will also signify a diplomatic gain for Cambodia, said Thun Saray, director of the rights group Adhoc, though there may better gains through stronger diplomacy with more prosperous South Korea.
"For ordinary people, they usually criticize [the government], saying that it seems that our country likes to go for countries that are rogue countries in the world," he said. "For me, I think that having a relationship with South Korea would bring more benefits."
While North Korea's status as an international pariah might be a concern for some, US Embassy spokesman Jeff Daigle said any kind of normalized relations between North Korea and other countries tend to be good.
"It's a positive step for [North] Korea to be reaching out to other countries in Asia, and more normal relationships with other countries within the international community," Daigle said.
Kim Yong Il's four-day visit will likely yield agreements on bilateral investment and shipping, Foreign Affairs Minister Hor Namhong has said.
That is likely to raise a specter of worse times, when the maritime relationship between made international headlines.
In June 2002, the French Navy captured a North Korean ship flying a Cambodian "flag of convenience" and carrying a huge shipment of cocaine. In December that year, a similarly registered North Korean ship carrying missiles, warheads and tanks was caught crossing the Arabian Sea.
During that time, Kim Yong Il, the man expected in Cambodia Thursday, was minister for land and marine transport, the Asia Times reported Tuesday.
Opposition leader Sam Rainsy, a former economic minister, said Cambodia's traditional friendship with North Korea is unlikely to yield economic or political benefits.
"Our leader always continues old routines, relationships with communist countries," he said. "But for our interests, the interest of the Cambodian people, it is not necessary to strengthen the friendship with North Korea more than necessary."
Cambodia's relationship with North Korea stems from former king Norodom Shihanouk's friendship with the deceased "eternal president" of North Korea, Kim Il Sung. Sihanouk still maintains a palace in Pyongyang, and his bodyguards, a gift from Kim, are all North Korean.
Kim Yong Il is expected to stay for four days, paying visits to Prime Minister Hun Sen and other top government leaders, as well as trade officials and Sihanouk.
Kim, who is not related to the "supreme leader," Kim Jong Il, is expected to sign several trade agreements that will strengthen economic ties between the two countries.
The visit will also signify a diplomatic gain for Cambodia, said Thun Saray, director of the rights group Adhoc, though there may better gains through stronger diplomacy with more prosperous South Korea.
"For ordinary people, they usually criticize [the government], saying that it seems that our country likes to go for countries that are rogue countries in the world," he said. "For me, I think that having a relationship with South Korea would bring more benefits."
While North Korea's status as an international pariah might be a concern for some, US Embassy spokesman Jeff Daigle said any kind of normalized relations between North Korea and other countries tend to be good.
"It's a positive step for [North] Korea to be reaching out to other countries in Asia, and more normal relationships with other countries within the international community," Daigle said.
Kim Yong Il's four-day visit will likely yield agreements on bilateral investment and shipping, Foreign Affairs Minister Hor Namhong has said.
That is likely to raise a specter of worse times, when the maritime relationship between made international headlines.
In June 2002, the French Navy captured a North Korean ship flying a Cambodian "flag of convenience" and carrying a huge shipment of cocaine. In December that year, a similarly registered North Korean ship carrying missiles, warheads and tanks was caught crossing the Arabian Sea.
During that time, Kim Yong Il, the man expected in Cambodia Thursday, was minister for land and marine transport, the Asia Times reported Tuesday.
Opposition leader Sam Rainsy, a former economic minister, said Cambodia's traditional friendship with North Korea is unlikely to yield economic or political benefits.
"Our leader always continues old routines, relationships with communist countries," he said. "But for our interests, the interest of the Cambodian people, it is not necessary to strengthen the friendship with North Korea more than necessary."
Cambodia's relationship with North Korea stems from former king Norodom Shihanouk's friendship with the deceased "eternal president" of North Korea, Kim Il Sung. Sihanouk still maintains a palace in Pyongyang, and his bodyguards, a gift from Kim, are all North Korean.
Kim Yong Il is expected to stay for four days, paying visits to Prime Minister Hun Sen and other top government leaders, as well as trade officials and Sihanouk.
21 comments:
We don't care which Korea is better. We want them both, just as be love our children regardless of who is rich and who is poor. Don't follow the damned westerner NGO advice. They are trying to weaken Asia by trying to divide Korea, Vietnam, ... and China.
This animal Viet troller @4:35AM must be castrated and then euthanized.
Pathetic fool, get outta here!
This animal Viet troller @4:35 AM and again @5:00AM pretending to be Khmer speaking up for Khmer must be castrated and then euthanized.
Go home Vietnamese Troller!
Go home Vietcong!
The North Korean has nothing, except people are starving and being oppressed! What gain does the PM of Cambodian looking for?
Yeah, I've yet to see Vietnam sending rice to help feed the starving North Koreans....
..love our children regardless of who is rich and who is poor..my *ss!
We'll the soon NK helps us with the irrigation work. Then we will have plenty of surplus rice for them.
5:18, NK is not starving or oppressed. They are about 3 times richer that us, and they are more industrialized than us as well, not to mention Nuke capability and the whole nine yards.
NK is so advanced and industrialized that it is dismantling its nuke capability just for food, fuel and handouts.............
Dude, you got it all backward. If NK got nuke, that is their fuel, and when they got fuel, that mean they got foods... . The reason they traded in for conventional fuel is because the US worried about it get into the wrong hand, that is all. However, what important to know is NK is far more advance then Cambodia, Vietnam, and Laos combined.
Let's see the economic muscle of each:
Vietnam's GDP....$263 billions
Cambodia's GDP...$38 billions
Laos's GDP.......$14 billions
North Korea's....$22 billion and that's far more advance than Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos combined?
Dude, I'll say forget the per capita income comparison.
Vietnam has also been known as #1 in prostitution; ask the Americans, ask the French. lol.
Yes, but mostly in the south because Ah immoral toothless khmer-Yuons hook them up.
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This animal Viet troller @6:49 AM pretending to be Khmer speaking up for Khmer must be stopped. Why? Because we know who this animal is.
This Vietcong troller on KI-Media must go home to Hanoi where it belongs!
Go home Viet(namese) troller!
Go home Vietcong!
Khmer will not let Viet troller like you destroy Khmer.
Wrong, 6:37, income per capita is what determine how well the average people live. Total don't mean shit when you have too many people to feed. In other words, you can live fine with 100USD/month in Cambodia, but not when you have cousins, aunts, and uncle to feed. Thus, you must go with income per capita, and here the website:
http://www.finfacts.ie/biz10/globalworldincomepercapita.htm
Now if you add up Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia, you get about $1,440/yr. And when you compare it to NK you get about the same. Of course you must used indirect meaurement for NK as 1/10th of SK.
Wow, it looks like Vietnam is closing in on India. Right now Vietnam stands at $620/yr and India stands at $720/yr.
718am, from your link one can see the purchasing power parity(PPP)of:
Rank150....Vietnam...$3300
Rank152....Cambodia...$2920
Rank172....Loas.......$2050
Bottom of list at209 .Burundi..$710
NK is unranked and belongs with other rich and advanced countries such as liberia, somalia and Myanmar to name a few.
11:42, I did not gave you any link to "PPP". I gave you link to "income per capita". You can't used PPP to compare the wellbeing of difference country. It will not work for NK because they were under some economic embargo, sanction, ... and restrictions. This will skyrocketing the price of some of goods, and lower their purchasing power for those goods. For instant, a TV made in the US in Korea may cost $1,000, but only cost $100 in Cambodia, but you don't need the damn US made TV to live well. PPP only work if a country is allowed to trade fairly without interferences from other countries.
Anyway, why are you reluctance to using the "income per capita" chart that I provided? Would you mind tell us what is wrong with it?
1234am, PPP is also on your link page. You can verify that yourself.
From the 2005 list:
Vietnam......$620
Low income...$580
Laos.........$440
Cambodia.....$380
NK is not on the list. Where do you get the 1/10 of SK from? If NK is such an advanced nation as you claimed, China would not have to subsidize her all these times with fuel and food.
You can praise NK all you want but all the economic indicators points to nation in distress.
I got it from sources in China (NK neighbor), but CIA factbook also declared 1/14 of SK, but we all know CIA always stretched the truth. Here's the site:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ks.html
Let be quote part from the SK background paragraph:
"... South Korea achieved rapid economic growth with per capita income rising to roughly 14 times the level of North Korea.... "
Now even if you take SK income and divided by 14 the result is still better than Vietnam.
And Yes China did help, but they have no choice. If NK failed, China Security will be at risk.
And I am not praising anyone. I am just giving you fact.
Wow! hey folks, check out the US in the income per capita chart. They fell from 4th in 2004 to 6th in 2005. I just noticed that, hehehe.
Here's the site again:
http://www.finfacts.ie/biz10/globalworldincomepercapita.htm
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