Sunday, July 15, 2012

'No need to review ties with Cambodia'

Not much substance behind the fanfare and show of unity after all? Is Cambodia [ASEAN Chair] dancing to China's tunes over this debacle, or ASEAN member states not singing from the same hymn book as usual? - School of Vice [china.org.cn]

The Philippine Star - July 15, 2012
“China realizes that it will be much more difficult to deal with the issue against ASEAN,” said Pavin Chachavalpongpun, a professor at Kyoto University’s Center for Southeast Asian Studies. “The tactic is to divide and rule.”
Manila, Philippines - Despite the lack of a joint statement at the conclusion of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) foreign ministers’ meeting, a government official maintained that there was no need to review diplomatic ties with Cambodia.

“That may be too drastic... There are things that can still be hammered out without going down that way,” deputy presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte said.

The foreign ministers had earlier agreed to key elements of a code of conduct in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) but for some reason, no joint statement was issued at the end the meeting.

“We share the disappointment of the other foreign ministers. I believe they have been (expressing it), we have seen several statements from different foreign ministers who attended the meeting in Cambodia. And correct me if I’m wrong, but I think in 45 years this is the first time that it happened that a communiqué has not been issued despite the fact that the ASEAN has dealt with contentious issues in the past,” Valte admitted.

During the ASEAN leaders’ summit in Cambodia in April, the West Philippine Sea issue was stricken off the ASEAN agenda by the chairman, sources said, although Manila insisted on it.

“ASEAN has been through many contentious issues and it has always come out with a communiqué. But we will respect their assessment in the same way that our country has its own assessment...along with other neighboring countries,” Valte said.


It was also in Cambodia where the Philippines called on ASEAN to come up with a united stand on the matter before talking to China, which had been espousing a bilateral solution to the problem.

“The issues we raised about territorial claims and rules-based mechanisms for dispute resolution are relevant from multilateral perspectives,” Presidential Communications Development and Strategic Planning Office secretary Ricky Carandang said.

Valte also belied reports that the Philippines was alone in its stand on the West Philippine Sea issue.

“I don’t think that’s accurate…. (just) scan all of the reports that have come out on the movements in the meetings in ASEAN,” Valte said.

As to the next steps to be taken by the Philippines, Valte said she would have to defer to Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario.

She said the issue would be discussed when Del Rosario comes back from Cambodia.

Valte added there was no indication that President Aquino would no longer attend the ASEAN summit in Cambodia in November.

Based on reports, days of heated talks ended in failure on Friday as deep splits over China prevented the ASEAN grouping from issuing its customary joint statement for the first time.

Foreign ministers from the 10-member bloc have been wrangling since Monday to hammer out a diplomatic communiqué, which has held up progress on a separate code of conduct aimed at soothing tensions in the flashpoint South China Sea.

China claims sovereignty over nearly all of the resource-rich sea, which is home to vital shipping lanes, but ASEAN members the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei have overlapping claims in the area.

The long-stalled code of conduct, strongly supported by the United States, is seen as a way of reducing the chances of a spat over fishing, shipping rights or oil and gas exploration tipping into armed conflict.

China described the meeting as “productive” while the Philippines lambasted the failure to issue a statement.

The Philippines and the US called this week for a unified ASEAN that could use its collective clout to negotiate with China, while Beijing had always wanted to deal with its smaller neighbors individually.

“China realizes that it will be much more difficult to deal with the issue against ASEAN,” said Pavin Chachavalpongpun, a professor at Kyoto University’s Center for Southeast Asian Studies. “The tactic is to divide and rule.”

On Friday, Chinese state media reported that a 30-vessel fishing fleet had been sent to the sensitive Spratly Islands in the South China Sea.

Vietnam, Japan and the Philippines have all recently complained about perceived Chinese aggression in the sea over separate disputed seas.

Diplomatic sources, speaking anonymously to AFP, referred to angry exchanges at the ASEAN forum this week, with an emergency meeting called for early Friday morning also failing to break the deadlock on the joint statement.

“I think it would be fair to say that tempers in some of the private meetings have run hot. There have been some very tense back and forth,” one US official said on Thursday.

China is a key bank-roller of the host Cambodia and some diplomats said Beijing had twisted arms in Phnom Penh to prevent any reference to the South China Sea disputes in the communiqué.

Cambodian Foreign Minister Hor Namhong expressed regret at the discord within ASEAN, but said he could “not accept that the joint communiqué has become the hostage of the bilateral issue (between the Philippines and China).”

Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa, who played a key role trying to broker a compromise, expressed “deep, profound disappointment” at the lack of consensus within the bloc.

“There is still a common view that we must, if anything, reinforce our efforts to work on the COC (code of conduct), to begin our talks with the Chinese on the COC,” he added.

Foreign ministers said on Sunday that they had agreed on “key elements” of a draft code to be presented to China, but these were not released to the media.

China was also cool to the idea of starting negotiations, almost 10 years since the idea of creating a code was first agreed, saying it would only negotiate “when conditions are ripe.”

Last Friday, del Rosario reported in a press briefing what he discussed in the ASEAN Ministerial Meeting, East Asia Summit and the ASEAN Regional Forum in Cambodia.

He explained the Philippine position in terms of Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal, challenges and the events that have occurred in the area.

“We were in a de-escalation mode and we wanted to keep a lower profile in the hope that we could negotiate quietly a solution to the impasse that we had encountered there for quite a long time,” he said.

At the three regional meetings, del Rosario brought up the matter of Panatag Shoal and indicated that it has a direct bearing on the future direction of the East Asia Summit and the ASEAN Regional Forum.

“And mostly there was a considerable amount of discussion on Panatag Shoal in all of the forums that were held there and I think we were successful in being able to bring to the fore the challenges that the Philippines faces in that area,” del Rosario added.

During the special meeting on the draft joint communiqué, several ASEAN member-states and the ASEAN Secretariat supported the Philippine position that the fact that the Scarborough Shoal issue was discussed in the Ministerial Meeting should be reflected in the joint communiqué.

However, del Rosario said the chair, Cambodia, had “consistently opposed any mention of the Scarborough Shoal at all in the joint communiqué and today announced that a joint communiqué ‘cannot be issued’.”

Del Rosario had discussed the situation in Panatag Shoal, also called Bajo de Masinloc, in several ASEAN Ministerial Meetings in Phnom Penh starting last July 9, and the Philippines simply wanted the fact that the issue discussed should be reflected in the joint communiqué.

“The issue discussed, which was Scarborough Shoal, should be reflected in the joint communiqué, no more, no less. Just a recognition that the Scarborough Shoal was in fact discussed and shown some concern,” he said.

China-friendly Cambodia took the position that it does not want to mention bilateral issues of the Scarborough Shoal and the dispute between Vietnam and China.

When asked if Cambodia could have been pressured by China, Del Rosario said such question should be directly asked and answered by Cambodia, but he noted that “at one point he (chairman) indicated that he had ‘political reason’.”

The Philippines further maintained that since the competing claims in the West Philippine Sea involve four ASEAN member-states – namely the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, and Brunei – this dispute is not a mere bilateral conflict with a northern neighbor but a multilateral one and should therefore be resolved in a multilateral manner.

“It also is not true that ASEAN does not discuss or does not include bilateral matters in their joint communiqué and the most recent example of this is the problem between Cambodia and Thailand that was brought up in every meeting as a matter of discussion with no reservation,” he said. – Aurea Calica, Pia Lee-Brago

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

All these years of Preah Vihear conflict between Cambodia-Thailand,there is no single country in ASEAN member stands up to support Cambodia. All of them are quiet. Indonesia act very caustious and reluctant to Thailand's bully and aggressive behaviors. China has sent support both military and others support.
Time to resolve South China Sea conflict, they want easy way out, thinks again, pals.

Anonymous said...

i don't think it's about cambodia's supporting china or anything like that, it's about bias, prejudice and discrimination by aseam member states, especially philipines and vietnam. where is preah vihear issue? where is koh tral island issue? where is n. korea peninsula issue, burma issue? we know south china sea isn't the only issue there were, really! get educated already, really!

Anonymous said...

Khmer is famous in ASEAN about their dumbass, I excuse for ya dumbo

Anonymous said...

they deserve it, when we Cambodian face problem with Thailand, they act as dumb.

Anonymous said...

Get over it! May be in the last 45 years there had been no situation similar to this one. There had not been a strong and competitive China like it is now. Asean has always been just a little group of southeastasian men playing nice and trying to look serious.

Just a little incident between two member countries at Preah Vihear, showed the club is of no substance. It is either dancing to the rock-and-roll tune, or the chinese opera, each individual Asean country will boogie down accordingly to survive economically and politically.

Anonymous said...

I want to get one of the girls (in picture) except the rose robe (the last one) to be my wife.

No to Lam Troy, Oss Dey. Don't try it.

Anonymous said...

It is common, when countries (rich, poor, oppressive, and liberal) enter into a union/association of some sort, that the lowest common denominator will emerge when trying to achieve something. It might be good for trade, but don't expect political strength out of ASEAN. It is a wishful thinking for anyone to think that a bunch of countries with diverse and conflicting interests like ASEAN could reach consensus on the South China Sea issue.

Anonymous said...

ASEAN NATION ARE SUX.... THEY'RE NOT LIKE EUROPIAN UNION......THESE WHITE NATION STICK TOGETHER WELL. If i can change myself to white people...i'll do it right away.

Anonymous said...

The problem of the south China sea has happened for many years but no countries kind of paid attention. I believed they just wait until Cambodia became Asean chair then they tried to stirred it up to make Cambodia look bad. Be honest with you Cambodia just a pawn for them to play. The international community should understand about this situation and leave Cambodia alone.

Anonymous said...

Let the government of Vietnam & Phillpine know how it be like to be bullied by other powerful nation, like China. So Thailand & Vietnam you need to learn how to back off from Cambodia. Cambodia need to be very close tied to China, regatdless of who is in power. Cambodia can't rely on the US because the US only see Thailand & Vietnam in its eyes.

When they fought over islands in the middle of no where, common people don't die but when fought over Preash Vihear Khmers were killed.

I hope China destroy all other ships around sparely islands that are none Chinese ships.

Anonymous said...

Remember when things gone wrong they will will not help us khmers but definitely others,e.g between thai and khmer border, the US knows they can easily solve the problem for us by just saying one word the Thai but they don't want to, why? because, thai is one of the whores of the southeast asia. The US have always depended on the Thai to use their base to attack china, viet, khmer and other asian nations. Thai is like the cancer of the southeast asia. The chinese and the viet knew this very well too. It is a matter of time, both viet and chinese will give the Thai a lesson and this time, it will be for good. The whore must pay the price for what they have done to all of the asian nations nation. See, the US is very smart, they don't care what is right or wrong but what is best for their national interest. The Thai whore on the other hands, love being married to the devils, but time is running out for them, because hell is waiting for them all.

Anonymous said...

To 9:49AM

Well when Greece became a member of European Union and Greece owed European Union $300 billion! Now look at what happen to Greece now!

Know what you wish for!

Anonymous said...

ASEAN? What is ASEAN? Who create ASEAN? What is the goal of ASEAN? SEATO evolved into ASEAN! SEATO was part of the American Truman Doctrine of creating anti-communist bilateral and collective defense treaties!
SEATO=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia_Treaty_Organization


ASEAN Principles and Goals
According to the group's guiding document, the Treaty of Amity and Cooperation in Southeast Asia (TAC), there are six fundamental principles members adhere to:
1) Mutual respect for the independence, sovereignty, equality, territorial integrity, and national identity of all nations.

2) The right of every State to lead its national existence free from external interference, subversion or coercion.

3) Non-interference in the internal affairs of one another.

4) Settlement of differences or disputes by peaceful manner.

5) Renunciation of the threat or use of force.

6) Effective cooperation among themselves.
http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/a/asean.htm

=Thailande and Vietname are the two countries that violate the ASEAN Principles and Goals! How many ASEAN members don’t know that and if they don’t know that then they are the most dumb fuck to be ASEAN member and the ASEAN as a group belong to fools and thugs …deaf and blind and all the above and ASEAN has no future!

Anonymous said...

seato sounded like nato. perhaps it was created based on the same principle, i believe. anyway, wasn't that paranoia was different then from this 21st century. back then, there lots of communist nations, nowadays, most of those commy nations turned into capitalist nations already. just look at china, for instance, all developed with subway, skyscrapers, modern technology and even nukes, etc, etc. even commy viet, commy russia, etc were all changed, i don't they are still the same commy way anymore. they changed with time, perhaps by themselves. i think it was due to time because as the old diehard leadership passed away, the newer generation changed by themselves, really. from this, i think everything we do in this world has its time and place in this world. as time passes on, so will life, changes, etc. in other words, i believe changes are inevitable for everything on earth. simple reason, no life on this planet can live forever; as a result the olds being replaced by the newer generation after generation and so on. like president ronald reagon used to say about freedom: "freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. we didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. it must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same." it says so much about everything else on this earth as well, i think. anyway, let's all enjoy life while we still living on this earth. why have so much distress about fear, politics, differences, etc, etc? god say: there are solution to every problem on this planet, we humans just have to find solutions all the time for every problem, really. god bless us all and our beautiful planet we all share. peace on earth to all human beings.

Anonymous said...

accusing cambodia by the greedy philipines, etc is just politics. yes, south china issue was always there, but they all wanted to politicize it by putting a guilty burden on cambodia as chairman this year. i'm sure last year, they delayed it, and the year before that, on and on... the philipines must be on some kind of substance to expect cambodia and america to solve this issue for them overnight. what were they thinking? to me, the philipines and some other are using bias, prejudice and discrimination toward cambodia and the giant neighboring country they want to mess with. well, leave cambodia out of your mess. cambodia can only abide with the code of ethical conduct, not taking any side, really. so, stop speculating about cambodia taking side, we do not, really. stop accuse cambodia wrongly, we don[t take your side nor anyone else's side, really. as a chairman, cambodia prefers the code of ethical conduct as discussed within the meeting.

Anonymous said...

well, greece is still greece, they owed but have a better life than khmer....most leaders are evil with it's own people.

Anonymous said...

To 2:27PM

ahhahahhah! Prove it!

Anonymous said...

Don't worry with all of those problem
yet, Just be awaiting for the time being arrived the mushroom cloud gonna come then the problem will be solved.