Evacuation from Phnom Penh on 17 April 1975Evacuation 'To Rescue the City Dwellers,' Khieu Samphan Says
Heng Reaksmey, VOA Khmer
Exclusive Interview from Phnom Penh
15 October 2007
[Editor's note: Head of state and spokesman for the Khmer Rouge when it rose to power, Khieu Samphan is widely believed under investigation by the special tribunal courts for trial on atrocity crimes. On Oct. 11, he gave VOA Khmer his longest interview since the indictments of two of his comrades, chief ideologue Nuon Chea and torture center director Duch. This is part four of a five-part series.]
When the Khmer Rouge defeated the forces of Lon Nol and marched into the capital, Khieu Samphan was against "evacuating" the cities. But it had to be done for the good of the city dwellers, the aging Khmer Rouge leader said.
"I think the evacuation was wrong, isolating the [Khmer Rouge] from national and international interests," he said. "I talked personally with Pol Pot. The principles of the Khmer Communist Party and Democratic Kampuchea were that if there were some issues to be addressed in the organization, and you talked, they did not punish you. But you should not criticize them from the outside, [which was] called 'attacking the path.'"
"Whatever the party decided was 'the path,'" he said. "Before they decided [it], they thought hard and were responsible. I talked with Pol Pot, and said it was wrong to [evacuate]. We would not have been able to solve things, and we would have been isolated from the nation, the people."
But the people were starving, he said, leaving them no choice. The corruption of the US-backed government of Lon Nol had led to their starvation.
"This is hateful," Khieu Samphan said. "So, in order to rescue the city dwellers, there was evacuation."
There was not enough food in the countryside, either, he said, so people ate bananas mixed with rice, or manioc. A little aid came, but it was not enough.
"China gave some aid but it did not have enough to feed its people either," he said.
"The Khmer Rouge were ignorant," he continued. "They did not know anything about medicine. They ate rat poison and they died. Are we, as Cambodians, happy to hear this? The French brought us civilization for 100 years, and some Cambodians were still this way? Did we know there were such Cambodians like those before? No we did not. Only Pol Pot knew."
When the Khmer Rouge defeated the forces of Lon Nol and marched into the capital, Khieu Samphan was against "evacuating" the cities. But it had to be done for the good of the city dwellers, the aging Khmer Rouge leader said.
"I think the evacuation was wrong, isolating the [Khmer Rouge] from national and international interests," he said. "I talked personally with Pol Pot. The principles of the Khmer Communist Party and Democratic Kampuchea were that if there were some issues to be addressed in the organization, and you talked, they did not punish you. But you should not criticize them from the outside, [which was] called 'attacking the path.'"
"Whatever the party decided was 'the path,'" he said. "Before they decided [it], they thought hard and were responsible. I talked with Pol Pot, and said it was wrong to [evacuate]. We would not have been able to solve things, and we would have been isolated from the nation, the people."
But the people were starving, he said, leaving them no choice. The corruption of the US-backed government of Lon Nol had led to their starvation.
"This is hateful," Khieu Samphan said. "So, in order to rescue the city dwellers, there was evacuation."
There was not enough food in the countryside, either, he said, so people ate bananas mixed with rice, or manioc. A little aid came, but it was not enough.
"China gave some aid but it did not have enough to feed its people either," he said.
"The Khmer Rouge were ignorant," he continued. "They did not know anything about medicine. They ate rat poison and they died. Are we, as Cambodians, happy to hear this? The French brought us civilization for 100 years, and some Cambodians were still this way? Did we know there were such Cambodians like those before? No we did not. Only Pol Pot knew."
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"The corruption of the US-backed government of Lon Nol had led to their starvation."
No kidding.
"Like I said before, I only stayed in one place, that is at the headquarters of the Democratic Kampuchea" in Phnom Penh, he said. "Don't just believe that the Khmer Rouge starved people. You have to do more research to find the truth."
This sound like a self contradiction. If he stay in Phnom Penh, then he would known about the evacuation. Thus the evacuation was not secretly done.
LOL, when you get out of the headquater and it is a gosh town, how can you not know that the city was evacuated?
What is an idiot?
The Master of Neo-Genocidal of Cambodians:
Brief of Hard Factual evens: Continue...
Situation of the communist side:
The Yuon Communist Party was founded in 1930, under the name of " Communist Party of Indochina "[C.P.I].
Yuon Viêtminh become Yuon Viêtcông, abbreviation : [NVA/VC//NFL] their main goal are to seize the territories of the other countries.
They are extremely thinking the opposite from any other asian countries. If they move towards from north they’ll run up against [Thailand] and [Laos] they through, if towards the west, they run up against the montagnards. Consequently, they’ve chosen to move towards the south. Since they having "swallowed" Champa, they arrived at Kampuchea Krom and "swallowed" Kampuchea Krom.
Since 1930-45-54, in order to carry out thess strategic political programs, Yuon Communist prepared their forces and formed their frameworks successively, and send them to work in Laos and Cambodia, leaded by Nguyên Thanh.
Therefore, they moved towards the North-West, towards Cambodia, by using their Lucrative strategies of massive installation forces for their insurgency by launching their initial polical operations in the provinces of Stung Trèng, Ratanakiri, Mondulriki, Kratié, Kampong Cham, Svay Rieng, Prey Véng, Kandal, Takeo and Kampot, Koh Kong, Pursat, until Kampong Chhnang and around a Great Lakes of Tonlé Sap, those massive installations forces were the main Yuon Communist attacks forces, who have owned safe haven sanctuaries in Cambodia.
Furthermore, they used these forces to attack into American’s Bases in South Viêtnam and run back to hide in their owned safe haven sanctuaries in Cambodia.
In 1965, there were 150,000 Yuon [Viêtcôngs] installed in Cambodia on a depth from 12 to 15 kilometers inside the border, at Romeas Hèk (province of Svay Rieng) and wide spread until Ratanakiri, which’s the area known as " Tail of Naga ", in the extreme quiet of North-East of Cambodia.
In 1966, they send another wave, with the amount up to 200,000 Yuon [Viêtcông] and it further increased in 1967-68-69.
The Committee of “Quang Duc” was installed 150,000 in Koh Nhêk, in the province of Ratanakiri of Cambodia.
In 1970, the number of Viêtcông installed in Cambodia has gradually reached up to 1,5 to 2 million.
Towards the end of 1969, delegations from Hanoi whose name: Lê Duan, Lê Duke Thô, Vô Nguyên Giap and Nguyên Duy Trinh.
Lê Duan said: "According to viêtnamese experiment , kampuchea should not carry out the armed struggle. It is better that the comrades of Kampuchea await until Viêtnam victory in south viêtname first, and viêtnam will strikes Lon Nol of only one blow, and viêtnam will liberate Phnom Penh for comrades kampuchea."
Yuon Hanoi, Lê Duan wanted to lead the Communist Party of Kampuchea and establish relationships to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. It reported that the Soviet ambassador in Hanoi wished to meet the delegation of the Communist Party of Kampuchea to pay a visit to Moscow.
Thus, before the coup d'etat, on march 9-10-11, 1970 the Yuon Viêtcông had used their strategies as the following stage:
1- Make Prince Norodom Sihanouk go to war with Lon Nol.
2- Infiltrated viêtnamese and clandestine networks into the rows of high ranking officials of the revolution of Kampuchea.
3- Used their Viêtnamese national inside of Kampuchea to control and to become the local government. [with armed]. to be cont....
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"Evacuation 'To Rescue the City Dwellers,' Khieu Samphan Says"
Okay, so he knew the purpose of the evacuation here, but he didn't know about the evacuation in the other interview. He stated that it was done secretly.
I don't know about other people, but I have a hard time digesting his testimony. I thing he should stop interviewing if he know what's good for him. Playing dumb don't cut it.
The Master of Neo-Genocidal of Cambodians:
Situation from Yuon Hanoi to [FARK]:
On 24th May 1969 Lon Nol meet with Yuon Hanoi representatives Nguyên Thuöng and the NFL delegate Nguyên Van Hieü. The purpose of this meeting was to tell the [NVA/VC/NFL] to stop from committing violation against Cambodia territory, violations which were frequent and becoming more and more serious aggressive on Cambodia. Yuon Viêtcông Enemy simply ignored Cambodia’s request.
In early march 1970, since [NVA/VC/NFL] forces continued to exert pressure on the local Khmer people in Svay Rieng to manifest their dissatisfaction toward the intruders. These popular manifestations met with relations from the enemy and resulted in heavy casualties.
On 11-12 march 1970, the [NVA/VC/NFL] demonstrating once again Yuon viêtcông’s skillful use of propagandas and guiles and deceptions to provoked a widespread feeling of discontent among the people which cuminated in destructive rampages against the [NVA/VC/NFL] and [PRG] embassies in Phnom Penh.
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What your point, idiot? everyone used propaganda, not just Yuon.
It appears that Khieu Samphan has already incriminated Hanoi, but VOA seems to toy and spin it with the translation...
The Master of Neo-Genocidal of Cambodians:
Brief of Hard Factual evens: Continue...
Situation of the communist side:
After the coup d'etat of March 18, 1970, the Yuon Viêtcông living in Cambodia were armed by Hanoi and used like instruments, with particularly wild oppression against the Cambodian. The local people hated them, and called them
" the Viêtnamese of local manufacture ".
These Viêtnamese nationals living in Cambodia, showed themselves infinitely, fiercely, crueler in their repression than their brothers from North Vietnam, because they knew the Khmer’s language and the Khmer’s inhabitants.
They persecuted the khmer’s population during their shadow powered year .This factor is found in the Viêtnamese history, since the time of feudality, and it weighs much heavier as the current time.
As they made the revolution, the Viêtnamese enjoyed a certain prestige in Southeast Asia. At that time, the international community, they're granted assistances and supports. Europe supported. China and Soviet helped and supported. The Viêtnamese benefited from all these supports, which is make their political strongest supports in order to implement and executed their complex plans of expansion and annexation and to swallow Cambodia.
They wanted to dominate the whole "Indochina". They wanted to be posed as "father" if not "big brother" of "Indochina".
(I'll be continued....these evens of each location/ province)
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AH PHLWEU Doctor in Law. "Empty the city dewellers from the capital to save them from starving?" You have no heart. Your reason shows that you are an ANIMAL, a worst beast, like all the kr killers and Top decision makers.
For the first time in the human history, You and your Comrades the kR made the Cambodian people experience the Atroce Exodus, more suffering than Sodome and Gomore!
A survivor
Why Involving the Viets in the mass killing? Why are yoou silent about the Chinese". They didn't care because it was just the Khmer leaders killing their own people.We cannot blame them or take them as scapegoat.
Yuon secret agents/spies, who are well-educated in Khmer culture, tradition, language, religion and custom...etc. can speak, read and write Khmer much better than about 80% of Khmer peasants and farmers do, had secretly impersonated themselves as KR soldiers who were unfairly accused of killing their own people, but the most of killers are Yuon spies/Secret agents are all behind killing fields like Trinh Ba Cam, a spokesman for the Vietnamese Embassy, who can speak Khmer fluently when we heard his voice on RFA at 2007/08/17 05:30
After all Khmer victims really hated Angkar Leu/Cap Tren. Suddenly Yuon troops pretended to rescue us from their comrade-at arms KR. In fact nearly murderers are Yuon/Yavana secret agents/spies! They didn't want themselves to get caught in International Law/UN so they had to use their Yuon citizens who used to live in Cambodia before 1970 by borrowing KR's hands to kill our family members. Aren't they cunning like a fox?
U believe me or not. It's up to you! But u look at Kampuchea Krom and Champa which are clearly erased on the World Map, already.
Khmer sralanh/love Khmer!
King Jayavarman VII was reincarnated as DR Joshua Cooper who cares for his Khmer people in the 21st century trying to free Cambodian victims from oppressors, human rights violators and brutal Yavana/Yuon colonialists and communists/Commo leaders who are the worst violators of human rights on earth.
Thank you so much to Dr Joshua Cooper!
King Chey Chetha II was Reincarnated as Hun Sen, who loves sex with Yuon/Yavana taxigirls, serves his Hanoi masters to keep him in power so that any Yavana can come to live in Cambodia freely and safely. So in 30/50 years' time, Cambodia will be overpopulated by Yuon parasites/leeches like Champa and Khmer Krom for sure.
When Hun Sen, dies one day, whose body is buried without salt. (=No Coffin for him.) But if he can change his mind by protecting all his Khmer people during KRT, he will be considered as a Khmer National Hero until the end of earth.
Khmer sralanh Khmer said...
If we Victims of Vietnamese Hidden Faces Behind Killing Fields use microscope to find out Yuon/Yavana secret agents/spies secretly have been hiding in Cambodia since the Murderous French Colonial Period, we still can't find out any of them killing Khmer innocent people from 1975-1979, but if we can speak, read and write Yuon then we must impersonate ourselves working with Yuon restaurant owners or any department in both Cambodia and Khmer Krom and then we know all One Million Super-Dirty Demonic tricks all Yuon Hanoian Commo leaders used to kill Cambodians secretly in the name of Angkar Leu/Cap Tren. That's why A Chinese Proverb goes like this: What you see is not a true sign; [but] what you can’t see is a true sign. (Yuon secret agents/spies secretly used in cunning killing and rescuing operation. It means to kill Cambodian innocent people by using Yuon citizens living in Cambodia as KR and then they started to rescue Cambodians from the killing fields. Nearly whether all educated and uneducated Cambodians who are terribly misled that KR brutally killed their country fellowmen by thanking Yuon troops as their rescuers.)
Murderous Hanoian Leaders' One Million Super-Dirty Demonic Tricks are used to round up all Khmer nationalists who have a real human gut to reclaim our lands from Yuon coconut shells.
Yuon/Yavana secret agents/spies everywhere in Cambodia stirring up all unrests in the country can arrest any Khmer nationalist/KK by blaming to undermine Cambodia's relationship with Vietnam.
All Khmer compatriots must wake up from your day-dreams that Yuon coconut shells came to rescue you and your family from Pol Pot. In fact, the real murderers are all but Yuon/Yavana secret agents/ spies who secretly had impersonated themselves as the KR.
English proverb: Truth will out. (The truth always becomes known.)
All Killing Fields were secretly created by Vietnamese/Yavana secret agents/spies in order to erase all Cambodian race on earth. They have secretly been killing Cambodian people since 18th Century up until now. Read Khmer History of Tae Ong.
Murderous Hanoian commo leaders who are so cunning didn't want themselves to get caught in action so they used their Yuon/Yavana citizens, who used to live in Cambodia before 1970, are well-educated in Khmer language, culture, tradition, custom, and religion...etc. to have impersonated themselves as the Khmer Rouge soldiers to brutally kill Cambodian innocent people.
Now there are more than 4000 000 illegal Yuon citizens living in Cambodia so far so worse, many of whom are former Khmer Rouge soldiers/killers.
Hanoi commo leaders from now on in a big trouble when all Khmer Rouge leaders are put on trial with the UN in Phnom Penh. My Khmer compatriots, you will take revengeful action against Yuon citizens living in Cambodia. And Murderous Hanoi leaders will secretly order their secret agents to kill Khmer Krom people in revengeful manner.
There will be a big turmoil on its way to be erupted like earthquake soon during the KR Trial! Khmer victims will take revengefulness against Yuon who will kill KK in KK in return.
Trust in Lord Buddha!
Khmer Sralanh Khmer/Khmer love Khmer!
Nope, there is no such thing as Yuon agent can imitate khmer. Only Ah Khmer-Yuons can do that.
Your lakaun bassac is not selling, dude. Try another one.
Many consider Khieu Samphan as the intelectual figure in this heinous movement, as such how can he justified all these reasons for 2 millions death?
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